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Parks and Recreation - 08/18/1986 � 1 19856 AUGUST 18 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION 7:30 P.M. SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION MONDAY, AUGUST 18, 1986 BUILDING - BOARD ROOM Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Moe COMMISSION MEMBERS: , Cook, Gary Gonyea, Karon Joyer, Brian Mikkelson, Charles Shaw COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JULY 21,1986 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7 :35 A. Petition for Sidewalk on Woodland Dr. from Jack McKuscky 7:45 B. Letter from David A Leone, Program Manager NEXRAD Re: Doppler Radar Site V. DEVEOPMENT PROPOSALS 7:50 A. Bluestem Hills 8:00 B. Prairie Lutheran Church VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Reports of Commission Members 8.15 Off-Road Vehicle Study Committee 8:20 B. Community Education Advisory Council Monthly Meeting 8:25 C. City Council Meeting Report of August 5, 1986 VII. OLD BUSINESS 8:30 A. Recommendation on Architect for Community Center Expansion 8:35 B. Recommendation on Planner for Miller Park 8:45 C. Proposed Park Bond Referendum Committee VIII. NEW BUSINESS I / 9:00 IX. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES (• EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, August 18, 1986 7:30 p.m. , School Board Room COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Bud Baiter, acting chairperson; Moe Cook, Karon Joyer, Charles Shaw COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Pat Breitenstein, Gary Gonyea, Brian Mikkelson COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by acting chairperson, Bud ` Baker. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Cook moved to approve the agenda as mailed. Shaw seconded the moon and it passed 4-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JULY 21, 1986 Cook noted that there were only five commission members present at the meeting, but some of the motions showed six members present. A correction was made adding Bud Baker to the list of those in attendance at the meeting. MOTION: Shaw moved to approve the minutes as amended. Joyer seconded tK motion and it passed 3-0. Cook abstained. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Petition for Sidewalk on Woodland Dr. from Jack McKusky Refer to memo dated August 14, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert introduced Jack McKusky who contacted him through his principal, Mr. Hallett. Jack lives north of Edenvale on Kara Drive and is concerned with pedestrian access to Edenvale Park. Jack showed the Commission a map with present sidewalks in red and proposed sidewalk locations in green. Lambert said that the two other bus stops are accessible by sidewalks and Jack is requesting a sidewalk along Woodland Drive from Edenvale Blvd. near Edenvale Park north to Edenvale Blvd. east to Kara Drive. Lambert added that if the Commission wishes to make a recommendation, it would be forwarded to the City Council. He estimated the cost to construct such a sidewalk would be between $15,000 and $20,000. • APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Aug. 18, ,1986 -2- Baker asked if the neighborhood would be assessed for the cost of the sidewalk. Lambert said no, money would be taken from the general fund budget. Cook asked that if a sidewalk were to be constructed, would it be 51 concrete. Lambert said yes. Shaw asked how old the neighborhood is. Lambert said it was established in 1975 or 1976 and there would have already been a sidewalk here if the same standards were used then as they are now. Baker asked if the sidewalks would be used during the winter. Lambert said they would be plowed only if they are used for getting to a bus stop. The City currently has no equipment for clearing off sidewalks although they could use the equipment that is used on hockey rinks. Lambert said the City should meet with the school to determine areas where children walk to school. These areas are then priority to clearing snow. Cook asked if the City puts in sidewalks and doesn't clear them off 1 in the winter, are they liable if anything happens. Lambert said the City is not liable unless they do clear off the sidewalks. Joyer said since the City does not require residents to clear sidewalks, is there any chance they would clear them off in this case. Lambert said the chances of this happening are not very good. Joyer asked if this is an established neighborhood or is construction still going on. Lambert said the neighborhood is already established. Lambert commented that this would be a good time for the Commission to make a recommendation to the City Council on sidewalks since they are currently reviewing the budget for next year. MOTION: Cook moved to recommend that the construction of sidewalks on Woodland Drive be brought to the City Council for their review. Shaw seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. B. Letter from David A. Leone Program Manager NEXRAD Re: Doppler Radar Site This is an information item only. t APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Aug. 18, ,1986 -3- V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Bluestem Hills Refer to memo dated August 13, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Servilces and staff reports dated July 25 and August 8, 1986. Lambert reviewed the proposal which is for a single family subdivision on 31.56 acres south of Bennett Place and west of c Jackson Drive. The request is for zoning district change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 26.86 acres and preliminary plat of 31.56 acres into 64 single family lots, one outlot and road right-of-way. Issues to be considered are the significant amount of grading that must be done to develop this site, the Shoreland Management Ordinance Requirements, the removal of significant vegetation that is proposed and the proposed pedestrian system. Solid lines on the preliminary plat showed the proposed grading plan. The Planning Staff has recommended complete tree replacement. Lambert said this is the first single family subdivision on which this has been recommended. He added that there is no way this area can be developed without this type of grading. The developer is staying out of the conservancy area and will dedicate the outlot located between the floodplain and lots to the City. The City would like to own the creek valley and keep homes on top of the ridge.0 , A sidewalk is proposed on the west side of Bennett Place from Co. Rd. 1 south to Bluestem Lane. The plan also shows a future trail connection from Bennett Place west across Purgatory Creek to Homeward Hills Park. The sidewalks would extend east from Bennett Place along the south side of Jackson Drive to Mead Lane and then south along Mead Lane to Franlo Road. There would be an 8' asphalt pathway along Franlo Road and the rest would be sidewalks. Lambert said the Planning Commission is concerned that the Parks and Recreation Commission are aware of the trail connections and that they will all connect in the future. Lambert said that staff also recommends a 5' concrete sidewalk along the west side of Bennett Place and south side of Jackson Drive from Bennett Place east to Mead Lane and along the west side of Mead Lane from Jackson Drive to the southern boundary of this development. Cook asked if this plan is different from what was originally proposed. Lambert said no. I : i I: APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Aug. 18, .1986 -4- Cook asked if there isn't a way to develop this site without all the grading. Lambert said there really is no choice because of the sandy soil and rolling hills. Cook referred to Page 5 of the July 25 Planning Staff report where it states that 252 caliper inches of oak trees are to be replaced as part of the tree replacement policy and the number was changed to 228 caliper inches on Page 2 of the August 11 Planning Staff Report. Lambert said that possibly there were negotiations between the Planning Staff and the developer which he was riot aware of and the number was changed. MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval of Bluestem Hills h —A i-tron per the July 25 and August 8, 1986 Planning Staff Reports and the additional requirements for sidewalks as discussed and noting the discrepancy between the 228 caliper inches of tree replacement referred to in the August 11 report and the 252 caliper inches of tree replacement referred to in the July 25 report and the references to the possibility of tree replacement which may be required for the storm sewer construction area. Joyer seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. B. Prairie Lutheran Church l` Refer to memo dated August 13, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and staff report dated August 8, 1986. I Lambert reviewed the location of this site which is south of Co. Rd. 1. , north of Blossom Road and west of Bennett Place. The main issue is the future bicycle/pedestrian path along Co. Rd. 1. The request is for a comprehensive guide plan amendment from Low Density Residential to Church on 10.97 acres, zoning district t change from R1-22 to public and preliminary plat into one lot. There are no cash park fees involved in a public zone. It is recommended that the City require a 20, wide trail easement along the northern border of this boundary for construction of an 81 wide bituminous bike path. i MOTION: Joyer moved to recommend approval of Prairie Lutheran CT—ur—EFFwith the exceptions as noted. Shaw seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF i A. Reports of Commission Members 1. Off-Road Vehicle Study Committee I This is an information item only. C � :f 1 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Aug. 18, .1986 -5- Lambert said that a report will be presented to the Commission at their September 15 meeting. Baker commented that using the statement, "Do you want to lose this privilege?" sounds threatening and should be stated in a more positive way. B. Community Education Advisory Council Monthly Report This is an information item only. Lambert reported that an annual meeting with all elected officials is required in order to receive state funds. Shaw felt the meeting was an informative one. Joyer said she noted the cooperative effort between the City and the school. C. City Council Meeting Report of August 5, 1986 Lambert said the main issue under discussion was the Edenvale C Trail. It does not require an EAS or EIP; however, he suggests that the City do an EAW and hire a naturalist to do a study on where the best location for a trail would be and what effects it would have. Lambert also suggests that a trail be constructed at Hillcrest Court and the City keep it mowed. He feels there will be a demand from citizens to improve the trail after they use it. VII. OLD BUSINESS A. Recommendation on Architect for Community Center Expansion i Refer to memo dated August 11, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. This is an information item only. A five member committee interviewed four architectural firms and unanimously selected Setter, Leach and Lindstrom. The committee was recommending Setter, Leach and Lindstrom due to their good working relationship with the City, their excellent record of building design and their existing knowledge of the building's problems. i Lambert said it will cost approximately $650,000 to construct an �. outside wall around the entire building to solve the water problems. Staff feels the addition to the Community Center should be both solid and functional. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATUR4L RESOURCES COMMISSION Aug. 18, ;1986 -6- B. Recommendation on Planner for Miller Park Refer to memo dated August 14, 1986. This is an information item only. The local firm, Brauer and Associates, was chosen with a low bid of $16,000. C. Proposed Park Bond Referendum Committee Refer to memo dated August 14, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert expressed concern with all citizens-at-large being involved in hockey and soccer when the greatest need is for softball fields. Since the softball group does not have an association, the other associations are expressing the need for indoor facilities only. As an example, the jazzercise groups are growing out of the school cafeterias and want to use a gym. The City has no control over gym use, but would like to see residents interested in softball and baseball participate on this committee. 1. MOTION: Joyer moved to approve the Park Bond Referendum Committee aadUing that additional members to the committee will be accepted. Shaw seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. VIII. NEW BUSINESS Baker requested a review of outdoor ice usage, both past performance and future activity. Lambert said this will be discussed at the next meeting. IX. ADJOURNMENT i The meeting was adjourned at 9:10 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary y. AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 1986 7:30 P.M. SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING - BOARD ROOM COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea , Karon Joyer, Brian Mikkelson, Charles Shaw COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - AUGUST 18, 1986 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS 7:35 A. Weston Bay 8:00 B. Wilson Ridge 2nd VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Reports of Commission Members 8:15 Off-Road Vehicle Study Committee - Brian Mikkelson B. Reports of Director of Community Services 8:30 1. Edenvale Trail Update 8:35 2. Park Bond Referendum Committee Update 8:40 3. Status of Park Development Projects C. Report of Superintendent of Recreation Fall Recreation Programs Summary l E. City Council Meeting Report - September 2, 1986 VII. OLD BUSINESS Staring Lake Park Equestrian Trail and Equestrian Trail Standards 9:15 VIII. ADJOURNMENT L : .