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( AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, MAY 5, 1986 7:30 P.M. SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION
BUILDING - BOARD ROOM
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Moe
Cook, Gary Gonyea, Karon Joyer, Brian Mikkelson,
Charles Shaw
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - APRIL 7, 1986
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
7:35 Sterling Field Association Request
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
7:40 A. Hidden Glen 4th Addition
C 8:00 B. Bluff Country PUD
VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF
8:45 A. Community Education Advisory Council Monthly Report
1. Minnetonka Community Services Annual Report
8:50 B. City Council Meeting Report - April 13, 1986
V. OLD BUSINESS
8:55 Staring Lake Equestrian Trail
VI. NEW BUSINESS
9:00 1985 Annual Report
9:15 VII. ADJOURNMENT
APPROVED MINUTES
C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday, May 5, 1986 7:30 p.m. , School Board Room
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson;
Bud Baker (late), Moe Cook,
Gary Gonyea, Karon Joyer,
Brian Mikkelson, Charles Shaw
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services
OTHERS PRESENT: None
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson,
Pat Breitenstein.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Cook moved to approve the agenda as mailed. Gonyea seconded
Motion and it passed 6-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - APRIL 7, 1986
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MOTION: Cook moved to approve the minutes as mailed. Mikkelson
seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. Shaw and Joyer abstained.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Sterling Fields Association Request
Refer to memo dated April 29, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services and letter dated April 24, 1986 from
Ron Stetter, President, Sterling Fields Association.
Lambert referred to a letter he received from Ron Stetter,
President of Sterling Fields Association. Lambert said that
Sterling Park is the oldest park in the area and was started by the
association itself. The City was asked to take over the park about
two years ago and noticed that the playground equipment was
deteriorating. The equipment was removed and the association was
given equipment catalogs from which to choose new playground
equipment. The City usually spends between $5,000 and $6,000 on
equipment for this type of park. The association has picked out
similar equipment to what they had. Staff recommends approval of
the request.
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Shaw asked how long it will take to install the new equipment.
Lambert said the City must get two additional quotes which will
take about two weeks and to order and install the equipment would
take an additional ,six to eight weeks.
Shaw said he feels the residents should be given an opportunity to
look at the quotes before a decision is made so they are aware of
what they will be getting. Lambert said this would not be a
problem.
Breitenstein commended the association for the many years they
maintained the park.
MOTION: Shaw moved to recommend approval of the Sterling Fields
Association request that the City purchase new playground equipment
for Sterling Park at a cost of $5,000 to $6,000. Cook seconded the
motion and it passed 7-0.
Cook asked if there are any signs showing that this is a community
park. Lambert said there are no signs near any of the mini parks
and he would hesitate to put up signs since the park is so small.
CCook asked if there is room in this park for a ballfield. Lambert
said there is a small field that could be used for T-ball only.
However, there is no off street parking.
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Hidden Glen 4th Addition
Refer to memo dated May 1, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services and staff reports dated March 7, 1986 and
April 11, 1986.
Lambert reviewed the three parks, recreation and natural resources
issues on this site. They are neighborhood park acquisition,
Purgatory Creek conservation area acquisition, and trails and
sidewalks. j
Lambert said the Hidden Glen proposal first came before the
commission in 1984 for the original PUD. At this time, the City
agreed to purchase the neighborhood park on a contract for deed at
a cost of $80,000 for eight acres. The developer also agreed to
grade the park and finish grade the topsoil. This agreement has
been held up because of the alignment of Dell Road and a decision
on which assessments would be paid by the City or the developer.
Staff recommends that the purchase agreement and contract for deed
be completed before any further final platting is done.
Lambert also said that in the original PUD, staff recommended the
City require dedication of the four acre outlot in the Hidden Glen
2nd Addition, Phase II which abuts the Purgatory Creek Conservation
Area. Staff recommends that the acquisition of this outlot be a
condition of the revised PUD.
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The third issue involves trails and sidewalks. Staff recommends a
5' concrete sidewalk be continued along the east side of Dell Road
its entire length and that an 81 asphalt bikeway be installed from
Street "C" in Hidden Glen 2nd Addition Phase II to the neighborhood
commercial center. Staff also recommends a revision to the
pedestrian plan in the April 11 Planning Staff report and suggests
eliminating the sidewalk along Street 'IF" and continuing along
Barrington Drive north and east to Dell Road.
MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend approval of Hidden Glen North
per staff report with the revisions as noted. Cook seconded the
motion.
Cook asked the location of the neighborhood park on the map.
Lambert said the park is not shown on the map, but gave its
approximate location.
The motion passed 7-0.
B. Bluff Country PUD
Refer to memos dated May 1, 1986 and May 5, 1986 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Community Services and staff reports dated January 24,
1986, February 21, 1986, April 11, 1986 and April 25, 1986.
Lambert said that the parks, recreation and natural resources
issues are the preservation of the creek valley, park dedication,
trails and sidewalks. Lambert met with the developer on Monday
morning and after walking through the area, changed some earlier
staff recommendations. He introduced Mr. Bob Smith of Hedlund
Engineering who was present at the meeting to review the Bluff
Country PUD proposal.
Smith showed the commission a phased diagram and proposed zoning
map. The site is located on 196 acres south of Pioneer Trail, west
of County Road 18 and northeast of Purgatory Creek. The plan shows
low density residential land uses of 2.1 units per acre with a
neighborhood park to the north, low density residential to the east
and south with open space and low density and open space to the
west. There was a 1977 PUD which divided the site into eastern and
western sections. The western section was approved and is
currently being developed, but the eastern section was not approved
at that time. Smith said the key issue of this proposal is the
preservation of Purgatory Creek.
Smith also reviewed maps showing vegetation, road alignments,
utility plans and grading plans.
Mr. Hustad of Hustad Development, Inc. was also present at the
meeting to review the proposed plan. The development will include
both high range ($300,000 to $1/2 million) and moderately priced
($100,000 to $125,000) housing. The average lot size is 12,000
square feet. There are 245 single family and 140 multi-family lots
included in the plan.
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Lambert asked about park dedication. Hustad said they had met with
their attorney and the developer intends to dedicate open space to
the City.
Lambert said that the Purgatory Creek Study is the guide that is
being used for this development. It suggests being very careful
about putting any trails in this section of the creek valley
although plans are to make allowances for trails in the future.
Lambert said he feels there should be a rim trail and that
permanent knolls should be acquired for public use. A 15 year
restrictive convenant would insure that no trails would be built
along the creek for that amount of time.
Lambert again reviewed the major issues which are the preservation
of the creek valley with close monitoring both during construction
and later; park dedication - the developer will pay cash park fees
and the City will require a trail easement; trails and sidewalks -
an 8' asphalt trail will be constructed on the west side of Franlo
Road, 5' concrete sidewalks will be added on one side of the
east/west road opposite the Franlo Park entryway, along the south
side of Bluff Road from County Road 18 west the entire length of
Bluff Road, along the south side of the extension of Meade Lane to
Franlo Road, along the west side of the north/south road that
connects the southern most cul-de-sac in the Creek Knolls
Development to Franlo Road and along the short cul-de-sacs leading ;
to the scenic overlooks.
Joyer asked how the 15 year restrictive covenant was decided upon
and is it long enough. Lambert said that the maximum amount of
time for a restrictive covenant is 25 to 30 years, but he feels 15
years should be long enough to monitor the site.
Gonyea asked who will police or monitor the area both during
construction and afterwards. Lambert said the City has a full-time
inspection department who will closely monitor development on the
site.
Baker asked how changes will be monitored after the grading has
been done. Lambert said it will have to be the initiative of the
Community Services staff and the Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources Commission to develop some type of monitoring system for
different types of wildlife, etc.
Cook asked if a scenic easement would affect the gift by the
property owners. Hustad said that it would not.
Hustad commented on the gift of land to the City. He said this is
the second time Brown's have done this and he feels that a
precedent has been established. He added that some type of trust
must exist between the City and the property owners involved.
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Lambert recommended that the plan be approved with the following
conditions: changes on the trail and sidewalk system - trail L
easement between Lots 3 and 4 off Bluff Road and west from the
Brown site and construction of a trail to Lot 8. The trail can be
either 61 asphalt or 51 concrete, but it should be hard surface. A
scenic easement should be required on steep slopes along with a
trail easement and a 15 year restrictive covenant which would
require the City to wait before any trail along the creek could be
constructed. The impact of a trail should be reviewed at regular
intervals and the appropriate cash park fees will be paid by the
developer.
MOTION: Baker recommended approval of the Bluff Country PUD per
staff recommendation and additional conditions above. Joyer
seconded the motion.
Cook said that his major concern is the water drainage on the site.
Lambert said that this will be reviewed by the Watershed District
along with the City planning and engineering departments.
Shaw asked if there is a similar drainage system in the area.
Hustad said there are several, but they are not on as large a scale
�,. as this.
The motion passed 7-0.
VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF
A. Community Education Advisory Council Monthly Report
1. Minnetonka Community Services Annual Report
Lambert said he receives these reports from time to time since
a small portion of northwest Eden Prairie is in the Minnetonka
school district and Eden Prairie pays the Minnetonka school
district $100 per year for community education, etc.
This is an information item only.
B. City Council Meeting Report - April 15, 1986
The Parks and Recreation Commission suggested that the road at
Donnay's Round Lake Estates be realigned. After an aerial photo
was taken and the Council saw what a beautiful area it was, they
approved the realignment of the road at their April 15 meeting.
The development also has nine or ten townhouses which are to be
built on the west side of the pond. Since the east side of the
pond is to be saved, Lambert feels the developer should not be
allowed to build the townhomes in this location.
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High school athletic field use was also discussed. The Council
decided there will be no use of these fields by adult teams and a:a
little use by
youth teams as possible on the two northern most
fields.
At the April 29 meeting, the Council discussed the water level at
Round Lake and approved the rental of a pump at a cost of between
$5,000 and $7,000 to pump water into the storm water system past
the Lutheran church along Prairie Village Mall to Hvy. 5 and County
Road 4.
V. OLD BUSINESS
A. Staring Lake Equestrian Trail
Refer to letter dated April 16, 1986 from the Eden Prairie
Horsemen.
This item was discussed at the April 7 meeting. The club had
complaints about trails not being well marked and in poor riding
condition. Lambert agrees that trails in certain areas can be
realigned, but adding woodchips to others is all that can be done.
Lambert supports the program, but feels there are a limited number
of people in the club and the City should not spend a lot of money
at the expense of other trails which serve the general public. He
recommends improvements on the trails where possible, an additional
entry at the Grill ballfields, sharing cross country ski trails and
additional signage.
Baker referred to Item #6 of the letter which requests additional
trails from Staring Lake Park to the west. Lambert said he is not
in favor of adding trails across private property.
Mikkelson asked if there have been any complaints received from
property owners. Lambert said no.
MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend approval of the Eden Prairie
Horsemen's requests per staff recommendation. Cook seconded the
motion and it passed 7-0.
VI. NEW BUSINESS
A. 1985 Annual Report
Commission members received the report with their packets.
Lambert said the report is used mainly to determine future program
needs.
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Cook asked how long it takes between committed dollars and
collected dollars. Lambert said it depends upon the economy and
that there are no guarantees.
Cook referred to Page 6 and asked if the figures weren't on the
conservative side. Lambert said that they are kept conservative on
purpose.
Cook requested that the commission receive a map showing the
location of Eden Prairie parks.
MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend approval of the 1985 Annual
Report. Baker seconded the motion and it passed 7-0.
VII. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Gonyea moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:15 p.m. Mikkelson
sec�ed the motion and it passed 7-0.
Respectfully submitted,
Lois Boettcher
Recording Secretary
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, MAY 19, 1986 7:30 P.M. SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION
ROOM A
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Moe
Cook, Gary Gonyea , Karon Joyer, Brian Mikkelson,
Charles Shaw
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
7:30 1. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - MAY 5, 1986
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
7:35 None
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
7:40 A. Westover Woods
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8:00 B. Anderson Lakes Center
(� 8:10 C. Emma Cove
VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF
None
V. OLD BUSINESS
8:20 Edenvale Park Trail System Preliminary Discussion
VI. NEW BUSINESS
8:45 VII. ADJOURNMENT
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APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday, May 19, 1986 7:30 p.m. , School Admin.' Bldg.
Room A
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson;
Bud Baker (late), Moe Cook,
Charles Shaw
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Gary Gonyea, Karon Joyer,
Brian Mikkelson
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services
OTHERS PRESENT: Rick Bolinske, Superintendent
of Recreation
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:45 p.m. by chairperson,
Pat Breitenstein.
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II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
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MOTION: Shaw moved to approve the agenda as mailed. Cook seconded the
moron and it passed 4-0. 9
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES -• MAY 5, 1986
MOTION: Cook moved to approve the minutes as mailed. Shaw seconded
Me motion and it passed 4-0.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
None
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Westover Woods
Refer to memo dated May 15, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services and staff reports dated May 9, 1986 and
March 25, 1986.
Lambert reviewed the three parks, recreation and natural resources
issues on this site. They are sidewalks, preservation of
significant vegetation and acquisition of the Purgatory Creek
Valley.
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Dick Putnam of Tandem Corporation was at the meeting to give a
presentation on the proposed plan which is located on the Northrup'
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King site south of Anderson Lakes Parkway and the Cumberland Road -
intersection. The developer is proposing a single family project
with 33 lots and the replatting of the Centex cluster section which
includes homes in a price range of $130,000 to $180,000.
Putnam reviewed the preliminary grading plan which showed trees to
be retained in dark green, trees to be removed in light green,
current limits of excavation in red and proposed limits of
excavation in blue. The width of the lots has been widened and
three lots have been removed to maintain the minimum setback that
is required.
Lambert asked if Outlot B would be dedicated to the City. Putnam
said it would be if the City wished to have it.
Lambert said the City is negotiating to purchase the area on the
western half of the creek valley from the Tipton Corporation and
will make an offer after obtaining an appraisal. He said staff
recommends approval of the proposal.
Cook asked the location of Northrup King's buildings. Lambert
showed their location. Cook commented that there seems to be a lot
of big trees on the site. Putnam said there are five or six oak
trees at least 25 inches in diameter.
Cook asked how the trees to be retained would be marked prior to
grading. Putnam said they would put snow fences around them.
Baker asked about sidewalks on the site. Lambert said 5' concrete
sidewalks will be constructed on both sides of Cumberland Road.
MOTION: Baker moved to recommend approval of Westover Woods per
sta report. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 4-0.
B. Anderson Lakes Center
Refer to staff reports dated April 25, 1986 and May 9. 1986.
Lambert said the only issue to discuss regarding this proposal is
sidewalks.
Shaw asked about the developer's intention to construct a temporary
driveway off Hwy. 169. Lambert said that the Community Services
Department has no authority over this, but it is up to the state to
decide whether it would be allowed.
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MOTION: Shaw moved to recommend approval of the Anderson Lakes
Center adding that the Commission has a serious concern over the
stark character of this site and wants to insure that the full
weight of the landscape ordinance is carried out due to the
location of the development. Cook seconded the motion.
On call for discussion, Cook asked where the bike paths and trails
are located in relation to the shopping center. Lambert said there
will be an 8' asphalt trail to the south, 51 concrete sidewalks on
the north side from Hwy. 169 to the first street and an 81 asphalt
trail on the west side of Hwy. 169.
Baker asked who will pay for the trails on Hwy. 169. Lambert said
that it is a state project since they will be located on the
ro ' highway right-of-way; however, the City will most likely be charged
the cost of the trail.
The motion passed 4-0.
C. Emma Cove
Refer to staff report dated May 9, 1986.
Lambert reported that this is a rather simple development
consisting of eight lots and one outlot on 5.7 acres east of County
Road 4 and south of Baywood Lane. The development meets the
guidelines of the Shoreland Management Ordinance.
Cook asked what the future potential is of Duck Lane since the lots
are located on the lake. Lambert said no proposals have been made
up to this point although he feels the lake would have fishing
potential if it were aerated. He has been told that crappies,
sunfish and bass were taken from the lake prior to the severe
winter kill last year.
Cook asked about public access to the lake. Lambert said access to
the lake is off Duck Lake Road.
MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval of Emma Cove per staff
recommendation. Shaw seconded the motion and it passed 4-0.
VI. REPORTS OF COMMISIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF
None
VII. OLD BUSINESS
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A. Edenvale Park Trail System Preliminary Discussion
Refer to memo dated May 15, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services.
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Lambert reported that the park consists of 110-120 acres of marsh
area with significant amounts of wildlife. Both perimeter trails
and wildlife trails are proposed within the park area whereby the
public could enjoy the wildlife without disturbing the wildlife
system. A trail connection is made at Hillcrest Court. It was
suggested by the City Council that staff develop a trail plan for
the Edenvale Park area and to review it with the neighborhood prior
to submitting it to the Council for final review.
Lambert reviewed the steps for construction. The city would brush
out a 10, wide trail which would be invisible from most homes due
to heavy vegetation and elevations of homes. A 15' wide
construction fabric would be placed on the frozen ground without
disturbing the soil and an 8' wide trail base of 4" deep, crushed
limestone would be placed over the mat. The base would be graded
and rolled prior to adding a final layer of aglime which would
again be graded and rolled. The soft surface trail could then be
used for both cross country skiing and biking and hiking.
Maintenance of the trail would begin in spring when the entire
trail would be graded and at least once a month during the summer
it would be rolled.
CLambert said there will probably be some opposition from "
surrounding residents, particularly concerns about security. He
added that this is City property and should be used by the public.
Lambert estimated that at least 500 homes would be notified
regarding this trail system.
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Baker asked how the security concerns of the residents should be j
addressed. Lambert said no guarantees can be given, but the trails
will definitely make the park more accessible to the public.
Shaw suggested that staff obtain figures from the Public Safety
Department on the number of incidents that have occured in areas I
similar to this within the City so the Commission has backup to '!
provide the residents. Lambert said he will get this information.
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Shaw asked if there were other options except the extreme
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trail. Lambert said no, since the trails come within 40, of the
property line.
Shaw asked about the possibility of floating paths similar to ones
located in Richfield. Lambert said this type of trail has been
considered; however, these trails are very expensive. i
Baker asked if security would be part of the park ranger's duties.
Lambert said he thinks there will be very little traffic in this
area, but if there are any problems a park ranger would be
Cassigned.
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Lambert reviewed the costs for the proposed trails. Phase 1 of
construction for 9000, of aglime trail including the middle bridge
would be approximately $40,000.
Phase 2 would be to place asphalt on the trail system that follows
the interceptor sewer (about 1/2 mile long) at a cost of $7,000.
Phase 3 is the northern most creek crossing and connection from the
creek trail system to Center Drive at an estimated cost of $18,000.
Phase 4 of the project is the construction of two spurs and
wildlife blinds at a total estimated cost of $5,500.
Cook said he feels the third phase which is the northern most creek
crossing and the connection from the creek trail system to Center
Drive should be a higher priority and included in Phase 1.
Lambert said there is no action required on the proposed plan
before the residents are invited to a future meeting. After some
discussion, it was decided to present the plan to neighborhood
residents at the July 7 Commission meeting.
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Baker requested a report on outdoor ice rink participation last winter.
Lambert reviewed changes within the City staff including the hiring of
Natalie Swaggert as Human Resources Manager. Sandy Werts is now in
charge of the senior center and historical society and a new recreation
supervisor will be hired to take over the youth programs for
Sandy Werts. Rick Bolinske will be present at the next Commission
meeting to review current programs.
Cook asked about the problems at the Community Center. Bolinske said
that there is deterioration of brick. Lambert added that it will
probably be mid-winter before anything definite is done about these
problems.
IX. ADJOURNMENT 1
MOTION: Shaw moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:00 p.m. Baker seconded
tip a motion and it passed 4-0.
Respectfully submitted, I
Lois Boettcher
Recording Secretary
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