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Parks and Recreation - 02/03/1986 �,rt ,. � ..... ... ....�, �<�! .,,.... -�...::�.. ..:'�$..-;'•�t.a_��r5.,...c_G�.�:.ra'c+,.m.dsv.M.t.m:-„ 1986 i FEBRUARY 3 ., I a 1 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN P-R-Alxxa-DE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, FEBRUARY 3, 1986 7:30 P.M. SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING - BOARD ROOM COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Pat Breitenstein, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Charles Shaw COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:35 III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - January 6, 1986 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS 7:35 A. Reuter, Inc 't 7:45 B. Douglas Corporation Headquarters 8:00 C. Alpine Village 8:15 D. The Farm 8:30 E. Prairie View Shopping Center VI. REPORTS-OF-COMMISSIONERS BOARDS AND STAFF 8:45 A. Report of Superintentent of Recreation Community Center Monthly Activity Report B. Reports of Athletic Coordinator 8:50 1. EPAA End of Season Report 2. Co-Rec Volleyball Season Ending Report C. Community Education Advisory Council Monthly Report E. City Council Meeting Report VII . OLD BUSINESS 9:00 Wiring Road Softball Field Complex (cont from Jan 6, 1986) -2- VIII. NEW BUSINESS 9:30 A. Riley Lake Use Ordinance 9:45 B. Review of Cash Park Free Ordinance 10:00 IX. ADJOURNMENT t I APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, February 3, 1986 7:30 p.m. , School Board Room COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, chairperson (late), Bud Baker, Pat Breitenstein, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Charles Shaw COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Rick Bolinske, Superintendent of Recreation I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by acting chairperson, Pat Breitenstein. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Lambert added Item A., Request from Jim Boyce Regarding Acquisition of His Property under IV. Petitions, Requests and Communications. MOTION: A motion was made by Kingrey to approve the agenda as amended. Bac-1 er seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JANUARY 6, 1986 MOTION: A motion was made by Gonyea to approve the minutes as printed. Baca seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. Cook and Kingrey abstained. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Request from Jim Boyce Regarding Acquisition of His Property Refer to memo dated February 3, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that Jim Boyce had contacted the Community Services Department on Friday to ask about the status of his property in the park and open space plan. Boyce's property is located north of County Road 1 within the boundaries of Staring Lake Park. Boyce is interested in selling his property to the City if they are willing to pay a fair price and if he would be able to live there for another ten years. Lambert feels the City should get an appraisal to determine the value of the property. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Feb. 3, 1986 -2- Baker asked if there is enough land available to be used for softball fields. Lambert said no, there are only about 12 acres, mostly wooded and on a slope. The Boyce home is a large rambler with a walk-out basement. Lambert referred to an aerial photo of the property at this time. He said that park property is located to the west and north of this site and the major reason to acquire it would be to preserve the park around it. Jessen asked how much an appraisal will cost. Lambert said approximately $500.00. Kingrey said he feels the property would be of value on a long term basis. MOTION: A motion was made by Kingrey to recommend that an appraisal be done on the Boyce property and to explore the future value and possible terms to purchase the property with a status report to be brought back to the Commission before a final decision is made. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Reuter, Inc. Refer to staff report dated January 10, 1986 and memo dated January 31, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that this development has already been zoned, but the request involves grading in the floodplain and shoreland area of Nine Mile Creek. It requires the review of the Parks and Recreation Commission because it encroaches the floodplain. MOTION: Breitenstein made a motion to recommend approval per the p1an_nTng staff report. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. B. Douglas Corporation Headquarters Refer to staff report dated December 6, 1985 and memo dated January 31, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert introduced the architect representing the Opus Corporation. He reviewed the site plan which is located on the old Northrup King site between the vo-tech and new Anderson Lakes Parkway. The request is for PUD concept revision, as Douglas Corporation is proposing an automotive parts manufacturing facility and offices on the 65 acre site. Five to six acres to the west of the site are I I APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Feb. 3, 1986 I -3- designated as open space. There would be no development at this time on 10-15 acres of the site on the south end. He added that Lambert has spoken to Bob Worthington regarding the developer dedicating five acres to the City in lieu of cash park fees. Staff recommends a scenic easement commitment on the open space south of Research Road and west of the fire lane. The proponent feels using the extra land on the site for additional ballfields should be discussed. Shaw said since he believes the cheapest transportation for auto parts is by rail, this site would not be appropriate. The proponent said that since the parts Douglas manufactures are very small, most shipping is done by truck. Shaw said that since the manufacturing of heavy plastics requires a great deal of water, he asked where it would come from. The architect said that the water would come from the Northrup King well, go to the plant and then out again to the sanitary sewer system. Shaw asked the total number of square feet planned for the facility. The proponent said it is approximately 320,000 square feet. Kingrey said he is concerned with the forest area surrounding the site. Lambert said that land to the south is vo-tech property and the creek area is City boundary. He feels nothing significant other than a trail could be done on five acres and it would work out just as well to have it as a scenic easement. Shaw discussed the possibility of bringing the water from the plant into Staring Lake since there will be no contaminants in it. The Commission agreed that this concept should be discussed further. Cook asked about the trail system on this site. Lambert said there will be a trail along Research Road and Staring Lake to the school. MOTION: A motion was made by Baker to recommend approval of the PUD concept as outlined in the staff recommendation, but to include the preservation of creek open space and the buffer, the potential for joint development of ballfields with the vo-tech, the potential for water augmentation to Staring Lake, the addition of a pathway system and payment of cash park fees. Kingrey seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. C. Alpine Village Refer to staff report dated January 10, 1986 and memo dated January 31, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert introduced Charles Hettinger representing the Herlitz Construction Company. Hettinger said they are requesting a modified grading plan. This would mean that the two mounds located 4 on the site will not have to be removed and only less desirable trees such as ash, dead oaks, etc. will be removed. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Feb. 3, 1986 -4- Kingrey asked if there is a more updated grading plan available. Hettinger said there was not enough time to prepare a new grading plan, but it would be submitted to the Council tomorrow night if the Commission approved it tonight. Cook said he did not feel secure approving a grading plan and tree inventory which he has not seen. Lambert said the Planning Staff has approved the plan with the contingency that the grading plan will be changed. MOTION: A motion was made by Cook to recommend approval of the request per staff report with the following conditions: that no action is taken until the new grading plan is reviewed and a new �. tree inventory on trees to be saved is taken. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. D. The Farm Refer to staff report dated January 10, 1986 and memo dated January 31, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert introduced Ron Krueger who is representing Countrywide Investments. Krueger showed a site plan for the area which is located north of the intersection of Duck Lake Trail and Boyd Avenue. Krueger said the developer is trying to save as many large oaks as possible and will dedicate the floodplain area to the City as parkland. There will be no grading adjacent to the floodplain. Kingrey asked how many of the trees will be removed. Krueger said about 10%. Krueger added that the plan includes an 81 bike trail along the north side of Duck Lake Trail. Kingrey asked if there is a sidewalk. Lambert said there is none. Cook asked if there would be a sidewalk or bike trail on Duck Lake Trail. Lambert said there will be an 81 asphalt bike trail. MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approval per staff ' recommendation. Kingrey seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. I E. Prairie View Shopping Center Refer to staff report dated January 10, 1986 and memo dated January 31, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Feb. 3, 1986 -5- Lambert reported that there are no parks and recreation issues regarding this site, but due to the size of the project staff felt the Commission would be interested in reviewing the information. Cook said he is concerned with the signage that would be involved on a project of this type. MOTION: A motion was made by Cook to approve the plan per staff recommendation adding that close attention should be paid to signage. Shaw seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Report of Superintendent of Recreation 1. Community Center Monthly Activity Report This is an information item only. Kingrey asked for an update on the litigation. Lambert said that the City Council has approved the hiring of an engineer to do a schematic design at a fee of $18,000. Several options to alleviate the water problems will be investigated including sandblasting to remove the old paint and applying a sealer which would stop 90% of the leaks or cover the block with face brick. Kingrey asked if we will also be seeking damages for the pool deck. Lambert said no. B. Reports of Athletic Coordinator 1. EPAA End of Season Report This is an information item only. 2. Co-Rec Volleyball Season Ending Report This is an information item only. C. Community Education Advisory Council Monthly Report There was no report. D. City Council Meeting Report There was no report. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Feb. 3, 1986 -6- VII. OLD BUSINESS A. Spring Road Softball Field Complex (cont. from Jan. 6, 1986) Refer to memo dated January 29, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert said that the major concern voiced by residents at the last meeting was the amount of traffic that would be generated on Eden Prairie Road. Staff also met with Mr. Hone who is not interested in selling his property at this time. Representatives of Lynn. Charlson were concerned with trespassing on their property. The City's engineering staff recognizes the problems with Eden Prairie Road, but there are no plans for improvement in the five year plan. Lambert said that when he talked to Hone, he told him the City would not condemn the property. A schematic design plan for the development of four lighted softball fields that could be , developed on 21 acres south of Mr. Hone's property on Mr. Charlson's property was included in the packet. This plan would involve about the same amount of grading with the possibility that land to the south on Spring Road could be acquired for additional softball fields. Kingrey asked if the residents have received a copy of the new plan. Lambert said no. Kingrey said his understanding is that if Hone's property were to become available in the future, this plan would preclude going north. He also asked about the tiered field that was discussed on the last plan. Lambert said this plan supports that field. Brett Hope, representing Lynn Charlson, said he feels that softball fields would not be a good idea with a golf course next door. He added that when a driving range was built one year ago, the City discouraged them from lighting it. Larry Simenson said he is still concerned with the lighting and j noise levels from a development of this type. He feels this plan j would be settling for something second to best and he thinks land in another area could be obtained and there are better uses for this property. ' i Joe Jeppson said he opposes the idea of having it across the street from his home since there are usually parties after softball games. Kingrey said he does not like the new plan since the area would be tight without the Hone property. I i 4r APPROVED MINUTES " EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Feb. 3, 1986 -7- Gonyea asked if the new site is north of the other area. Lambert ` said it is the southern portion of the same site except the only access is off Spring Road. Jessen asked how far north of the flight pattern was the south boundary. Lambert said approximately two blocks. Jessen asked if the airport commission has a problem with the lights. Lambert said no, they approved the original plan and the lighting has not changed. Cook asked if the Charlson property is for sale. Hope said it is not for sale for this purpose. Kingrey asked how much land is owned by Charlson. Lambert said all of it is owned by Charlson. Kingrey asked why we are looking at the Charlson property when it is not for sale. Lambert said he did not understand that the Charlson property was not for sale until this evening's meeting. Hope said the decision was only made three days ago. j Kingrey asked if anything has been heard about the expansion of the golf course. Hope said that it is being contemplated and that a feasibililty study will be done within the next month. Kingrey said that the City needs softball fields to meet demand and wherever they are located in the City, someone will be impacted by their location. He added that he does not know what the time frame is for development, but he feels that this site, including Hone's property, is the best location for the softball complex. It was asked if all softball fields in the City are currently being , used. Lambert said yes, either by adult or youth softball. Simenson asked if area industries have been contacted about extra '! land they may have available for temporary softball fields since the company teams use them so much of the time. Lambert said that Lee Data and Rosemount already have softball fields, but he feels that the companies have already paid cash park fees which are to be used for this purpose. Kingrey said he feels the City would not want to put anymore money into something that is not permanent. Simenson feels the City should look somewhere else since there must be other land available. Gonyea said that the Commission looked at six possible sites for the complex, but felt that this was the best one available. a APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Feb. 3, 1986 -8- Jessen suggested that since the feasibility study for the golf course will be done in the near future, perhaps the City should work with them to come up with a solution. He feels this might be an opportunity rather than a problem. After discussion, it was decided to table this issue until a future meeting. VIII. NEW BUSINESS A. Riley Lake Use Ordinance Refer to memo dated January 23, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert said that staff proposes the ordinance be changed in order to make the park safer and reduce City liability. A problem exists with swimming or flotation devices being used outside of the swimming area. The revised park use ordinance would prohibit the use of flotation devices from being used in the park and require all swimmers to stay within the swimming beach area. Cook said staff should make sure the wording in the ordinance is yl clear that flotation devices do not include life jackets. Lambert said that he has not had comments from the homeowners association. Baker asked what a skier will do after being dropped off by a boat. Lambert said that there is a hard, sandy bottom and seven to eight feet of sandy beach with a steep embankment up to the railroad tracks. A sign would be put up at the public access and regulated areas would be marked by buoys. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of the revised Riley La a use ordinance per staff recommendation. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. a B. Review of Cash Park Fee Ordinance Refer to memo dated January 23, 1986 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert said that the park fees were raised considerably in 1984 and it is recommended that a 5% increase across the board be considered. This would increase the single family residential from $400 to $420, the multi-family residential from $305 to $320 and the office, industrial and commercial from $2,220/acre to $2,300/acre. k APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Feb. 3, 1986 i -9- MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval per staff recommendation. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. Cook asked if the park fees should be discussed every year from now on. Lambert said yes. IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Cook moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:30 p.m. Baker seconded Me motion and it passed 6-0. Respectfully submitted, Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary 1 - i i I y