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Parks and Recreation - 07/15/1985 17r l�r it.ry 1985 JULY 15 MINUTES CITY OP EDEN PRAI"PTE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JULY 15, 1985 7:30 P. M. SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING - BOARD ROOM COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Pat Breitenstein, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Charles Shaw COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:35 III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JUNE 17, 1985 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None ` V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS 7:40 A. Miller Park Concept Plan 8:15 B. Crossroads Retail Corporation VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Reports of Commission Members None B. Reports of Director of Community services 8:30 1. August 6, 1985 Meeting with Council at 6 P. M. 8:35 2. Commission Attendance 8:40 3. Anderson Lakes Outlet C. Reports of Superintendent of Recreation 8:45 1. Monthly Community Center Report 8:50 2. July 4th Celebration D. Reports of Atlethic Coordinator 8:55 1. Season Ending Reports a. Co-Rec Volleyball -_Winter 1985 .j- , PRNRC -2- July 15, 1985 L b. Men's Volleyball - Winter 1985 c. Men's Basketball 1984-85 d. Table Tennis - Winter 1985 e. Monday Open Gyms, Saturda Open Gyms f. Senior Men s Hoc ey -Spring 1985 I 9:00 E. City Council Meeting Report VII . OLD BUSINESS 9:05 A. 'Comprehensive Park Plan Update - Trail System 9:15 B. Round Lake Water Quality Improvement Program VIII . NEW BUSINESS 9:30 IX. ADJOURNMENT I t' APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, July 15, 1985 7:30 p.m. , School Board Room COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Pat Breitenstein, Jerry Kingrey, Charles Shaw COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Raiford Baker, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea I COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson, Marty Jessen. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Kingrey moved to approve the agenda as publishes:. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried 4-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 17, 1985 CKingrey asked that the word "expense" on Page 3, Paragraph 5, be changed to "result". MOTION: A motion was made by Breitenstein to approve the minutes as amendeil. Kingrey seconded the motion and it carried 3-0. Jessen abstained. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS Refer to memo dated July 8, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and letter dated July 15, 1985 from the Timber Lakes Townhomes Association. Lambert gave the residents attending the meeting some background information on how land for Miller Park was acquired in 1979 from the property owners, five members of the Miller family. A purchase agreement was drawn up on a contract for deed basis over a five year period. Late in 1984 both the baseball and soccer associations approached the Parks and Recreation Commission on acquiring additional land for athletic fields. A City Needs Study Committee was appointed C APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 15, 1985 C -2- with a representative from each of the 14 athletic associations serving on a sub-committee. Four of these representatives also served on the main committee. In addition, there were four members at large, one representative from the Planning Department, one from Public Safety, one from the Parks and Recreation Commission and two from the schools. At this point, Lambert referred to the master plan for Miller Park. The plan meets with the recommendations of the Needs Study Committee except for one soccer field which was eliminated by staff in order to accommodate more parking. Other changes made on the master plan from r. the concept plan include two entry and access points for softball field parking, additional trail connections between soccer and youth baseball fields, the addition of an outdoor hockey rink and skating trail, revised parking and road alignment due to the addition of the hockey rink and because of residential development to the north, all the lighted athletic fields were placed to the south along Highway 212. Lambert also pointed out the location of Timber Lakes Drive and said his understanding is that the major concerns of residents are the lighted fields and the traffic and noise that could be generated from such a facility. He recommends that another collector street be added between Timber Lakes Drive and the railroad tracks and said that when going to the Council for approval of the park plan, the acquisition of land for an additional street could also be recommended. Lambert then asked for comments from the residents. Pat Minton of 7994 Island Road asked about the landscaping of the park. Lambert said that only existing trees are shown on the master plan and that there will be others added. Ed Nash of 8072 Timber Lakes Drive asked how much Miller Park will cost to develop and how the money will be acquired. Lambert said he guesses the cost would be approximately $4 million to complete the park. The funds are not available at this time, but could be received through a bond referendum in 1987. Gay Ludvig of 7998 Island Road asked if the development of Miller Park would be cancelled if the referendum were defeated. Lambert said park development would be done as funds became available. Rita Rove of 7988 Island Road commented that she likes the change in location of the lighted athletic fields and commends the staff for asking the residents for their input. She expressed concern with boat launching and other uses of the lake. Lambert said that the DNR believes Red Rock Lake and Mitchell Lake could be the best fishing lakes in Eden Prairie with proper maintenance and aeration. • I APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 15, 1985 -3- Jessen asked the residents to comment further on motor restriction for Mitchell Lake. Nash said he feels anything over 2-3 horsepower churns up the water too much. He added that he has dealt with the DNR in the past several years regarding the weed growth on Mitchell Lake and knows that the residents cannot use chemicals to control the weeds. Rita Rove discussed the numerous trees on Mitchell Lake that are dying and wondered if this could be caused by the pumping of water into the lake from Round Lake. Jessen asked what the elevation rise of Mitchell Lake is. The residents believe it is 2-3 feet higher than normal. Lambert said Mitchell Lake should have had no more than a 4-5 inch rise 4 from the pumping of Round Lake. Gay Ludvig asked what percentage of Eden Prairie's athletic fields are used by Eden Prairie residents. Lambert said that in order for teams to play on these fields, the people must either live or work in Eden Prairie. Gerald Luebke of 8059 Timber Lakes Drive asked if there was any C guarantee that an additional access road to the park would be built prior to 1989. Lambert said he is not in the position to guarantee this, but he could recommend that the park not be opened until an additional road is added to the east of the park. David Ludvig of 7998 Island Road asked how land for the road would be acquired. Jessen said that land could be acquired by condemnation or other means and assessed back to the person from whom it was acquired. Ludvig asked if there was any possibility of having access from the west. Lambert said this is a possibility, particularly when Dell Road is extended. Ludvig asked if the City is considering lighting other athletic fields in Eden Prairie. Lambert said some fields at Round Lake Park will be lighted. i Rove asked if fields at Staring Lake will. be lighted. Lambert said fields are not lit unless they are irrigated first although the Grill area at Staring Lake is under consideration. Maggie Hessian of 8051 Timber Lakes Drive asked if the wooded area shown on the master plan will be preserved. Lambert said that none of the oak trees will be removed. Luebke asked if the northwest ballfield is in a wooded area. Lambert said no, this area is being farmed. APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 15, 1985 -4- Mr. Glenn of 14747 W. 78th St. asked if there would be a snowmobile trail in this park. Lambert said the City has had a good relationship with the snowmobile club in the past and that snowmobiles are allowed to pass through some parks on their way home. Glenn said he is more concerned with non-resident use. Nash said that natural sites such as Mitchell Lake and Red Rock Lake are at a premium and if the City has a chance to do something special with these sites to preserve them, they should do it. "A soccer field can be built anywhere". Debby Fristed of 17247 W. 78th St. said that she likes the idea of developing a low-key park, but doesn't fully agree with adding athletic fields since the area should be kept as natural as possible. John Parrington of 16333 Edenwood Drive who is the President of the Eden Prairie Soccer Club said that the City has only one full size soccer field at Flying Cloud and feels it is critical that more are added to keep up with the rapid growth of youth soccer teams. Glen Muir of 15916 Valley View Road said he likes the layout of Miller Park since it doesn't appear to disturb lakefront property. He agrees with the residents' concern on defacing or misusing the lake and asked what distance the closest athletic fields are from the lake. Lambert said the closest field is about 150 feet from the lake. Luebke said he feels there is a big difference in having a beanfield located here instead of a park since there are no people, traffic or noise coming from the beanfield. Rosie Luebke of 8059 Timber Lakes Drive said her major concern is the increased traffic on Timber Lakes Drive and the children who use this street. Mark Weber of 7966 Timber Lakes Drive asked if sidewalks or trails will be added on these streets. Lambert said yes. Gay Ludvig asked if there will be running trails around Mitchel]. Lake. Lambert said no. David Knack of 7935 South Bay Curve said he is in favor of the park and that one of the reasons he moved to Eden Prairie was the City's concern toward parks and natural areas. He also enjoys the quiet of the lake, but feels that this plan is a good balance for the needs of both the children and the residents of Eden Prairie. Muir asked for an explanation of the athletic fields at Flying Cloud. Lambert said they are leased from the Metropolitan Airport Commission and that the lease can be terminated with a 90 clay notice. However, it is unlikely the lease would be terminated in the near future. r 1 ! APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 15, 1985 -5- Kingrey added that he doesn't think is it likely that the lease will be terminated. Jessen said that the airport owns the land used for athletic fields, but the City has made all the improvements. Jessen asked if staff is confident of the proposed alignment of Highway 212 in order to flip-flop the location of the lighted athletic fields. Lambert said that the map shows the official alignment or the highway, but it could be moved. Jessen feels the City needs a commitment in order to finalize plans for park development. Kingrey said he would like to ban motorized boats from the lake, but realizes that some of the residents own boats with motors. Nash asked if any of the Commission members have been on Mitchell Lake since it such a beautiful and tranquil spot. Rove noted that there are a number of egrets and herons that make their home on Mitchell Lake. Shaw asked if there will be a residential area to the south of the park site in the future. Lambert said the area will be either residential or industrial. Shaw added that he would like to keep the lake natural and agrees with the residents concern about boating traffic on the lake. He asked if there was a possibility of making access to Miller Park similar to that at Round Lake. Jessen said that when the first softball field was added at Round Lake in 1970, access was from a gravel road only. MOTION: Kingrey mov-d to recommend approval of the preliminary concept ppTa� Miller Park per staff recommendation with the following additions. The City is to obtain a MnDOT commitment on the location of Highway 212 before proceeding with park construction, a limit will be placed on motor size usage on Mitchell Lake, the City will increase the buffer area on the north and west park area east of the bay and a second access to County Road 4 is to be added south of Timber Lakes Drive before the park is opened. Breitenstein seconded the motion and I it carried 4-0. B. Crossroads Retail Corporation Refer to staff report dated June 21, 1985. Lambert said that he did not prepare a supplementary report, as the only issue concerning the Commission is the number of oak trees that will have to be removed prior to construction of the retail center. l ;s APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 15, 1985 -6- Lambert showed the location of the site across from the Residence Inn on the proposed site plan. He added that none of the oaks will be saved, but the developer will replace the trees per caliper inch. Shaw asked what the life expectancy is of oaks 24-30" in size. Lambert said life expectancy is approximately 150 years. Jessen asked if there is any park dedication on the site. Lambert said there was a trade-off several years ago of the hill for the east portion of cash park fees. Kingrey asked if this site could be developed in any other way in order to preserve the oak trees. Lambert said this site is very limited as far as development is concerned. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of the plan per staff recommendation adding that any oak trees that can be saved should be saved and others replaced per caliper inch. The motion was seconded by Breitenstein and passed 4-0. VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Reports of Commission Members Jessen noted that the trails around Staring Lake are beautiful although the trees need pruning. Lambert said staff is aware of the need for pruning. B. Reports of Director of Community Services 1. August 6, 1985 Meeting with Council at 6.00 p.m. Refer to memo dated July 8, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that the Council would like members of the Parks and Recreation Commission to attend a special meeting to be held before the regular Council meeting on Tuesday, August 6, 1985 at 6:00 p.m. Pop and sandwiches will be provided. The purpose of this meeting is to discuss issues of Commission interest with the Council. Lambert gave several suggestions of topics in his memo and invited the Commission to present their suggestions. i . APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 15, 1985 C -7- 2. Commission Attendance Refer to memo dated July 5, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of ' Community Services. This is an information item only. 3. Anderson Lakes Outlet Refer to memo dated July 8, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. This is an information item only. The subject is a dead issue at this time, but may reoccur at a later date. C. Reports of Superintendent of Recreation 1. Monthly Community Center Report r This is an information item only. CJessen asked about the lawsuit is progressing. Lambert said that staff will be receiving a report from Twin City Testing next week. 2. July 4th Celebration This is an information item only. It was the consensus of the Commission that Chuck Pappas be commended for his efforts to make the first annual 4th • of July Celebration in Eden Prairie such a huge success. Breitenstein asked why Pappas suggested that there be no helicopter rides next year. Lambert said that the owner of the helicopter lost money. D. Reports of Athletic Coordinator 1. Season Ending Reports a. Co-Rec Volleyball - Winter 1985 This is an information item only. APPROVED MINUTES a ; EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 15, 1985 b- Men's Volleyball - Winter 1985 I, This is an information item only. c. Men's Basketball This is an information item only. d. Table Tennis - Winter 1985 This is an information item only. e. Monday Open Gym, Saturday Open Gyms This is an information item only. w f. Senior Men's Hockey - Spring 1985 This is an information item only. Jessen asked if non-residents would be allowed to play hockey next year. Lambert said that the live or work rule will apply for early evening hockey, but out of town teams will be allowed to play starting at midnight. Shaw asked if the Community Center does better with resident members or non-resident members. Lambert said that non-resident members have to pay one and one-half times as much as resident members. E. City Council Meeting Report There was no action at the last meeting regarding Parks and Recreation issues. VIII. OLD BUSINESS A. Comprehensive Park Plan Update - Trail System Lambert said that this chapter of the Comprehensive Park Plan deals with trail system classifications, how the trails are classified and how they are funded. He reported that all policies had been previously approved with the same goals and objectives. The Commission members had no changes or comments on the Trail System chapter. r APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION July 15, 1985 -9- B. Round Lake Water Quality Improvement Program Refer to memo dated July 3, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reviewed the decision made at the June 3 Parks and Recreation meeting where staff and the Commission recommended approval of a complete Rotenone treatment of Round Lake this fall. After this meeting, Lambert received several calls from concerned citizens and the recommendation to the Council was delayed. r On July 2, Duane Shodeen from the DNR, Dr. David Wright from the University of Minnesota and Tom Larson, representing the Eden ~ ; Prairie Jaycees met with Bob Lambert to discuss the issue. Shodeen felt that either a full or a partial treatment would improve fishing at Round Lake. Dr. Wright supported the full treatment since he felt it was a surer method and would provide important research information. i �i Shaw discussed his past experience with controlling fish population using spawning control. This method is used rather than the full i or partial Rotenone treatment. He said he has no objection to chemical usage, but feels this method would have just as good results. Based on this data, the Commission requested Lambert to a gather further information and brio- it back for further discussion. VIII. NEW BUSINESS None IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Breitenstein moved to adjourn the meeting at 10:10 p.m. Shaw 4 swecon aed the motion and it passed 4-0. Respectfully submitted, raw`-6 -c-�-� Ii Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary a a C 3 �iJyJyO i