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Parks and Recreation - 06/17/1985 ,... � �.. :.•, � ,� .... ,_,._. .�._ .,....,.1., .. v....... .., ......0 ._.. ..0 ,eC.,.. t,..s.,A,,•..�.. .-.r,�ex,..d1,.•rx.�rc::re:x n�ss•,�-,^.u� y i,n_ 1985 JUNE 3 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JUNE 3, 1985 7:30 P. M. SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING BOARD ROOM COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Pat Breitenstein, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services 7:30 I . ROLL CALL II . APPROVAL OF AGENDA III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES - MAY 30, 1985 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:35 Request from U of M Limnological Research Center V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS 7:45 A. Southwest Crossing (continued from May 25, 1985) 8:05 B. BFI Amended PUD C" 9:15 C. Technology Park 9:45 D. Parkway Apartments VI . REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF 10:00 A. Reports of Director of Community Services 1. Riley Lake Access Improvements 10:05 B. City Council Meeting Report VII . OLD BUSINESS 10:10 A. City Needs Study Committee Final Report 10:25 B. Comprehensive Park Plan Update - Park & Conservation Areas VIII . NEW BUSINESS 10:35 IX. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES `. EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, June 3, 1985 7:30 p.m. , School Board Room COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, acting j chairperson; Raiford Baker, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Marty Jessen COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Chuck Pappas, Superintendent of Recreation; Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Rick Rosow, City Attorney I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by acting chairperson, Pat Breitenstein. II. .APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Kingrey moved to approve the agenda as printed. Cook seconded Me motion and it carried 6-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF MAY 20, 1985 MOTION: A motion was made by Kingrey to approve the minutes as pr nteU. Gonyea seconded the motion and it carried 3-0. Schwartz and Cook abstained. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Request from U of M Limnological Research Center Refer to memo dated May 30, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert introduced Dr. Joseph Shapiro, Limnologist from the University of Minnesota. Dr. Shapiro reported that a study of Round Lake was done in 1980. At that time, the lake was treated with Rotenone and the lake was restocked. However, the clarity of the lake is back to what it was at that time and there are also high numbers of stunted sunfish. r APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 -2- Dr. Shapiro and the DNR suggest that the lake either be treated again with Rotenone and restocked or be given a partial Rotenone treatment. With a partial Rotenone treatment, it would take five years for the lake to show any improvement. Dr. Shapiro is more interested in the complete Rotenone treatment. Fingerlings of bass, walleye and sunfish would be added in the fall of 1985 and adult male sunfish added in the spring of 1986. Lambert said that the City has spent a great deal of money on Round Lake and would like to maintain good fishing and a high quality swimming beach there. He added that the DNR would also stock rainbow trout in May thru July of 1986. Only winter fishing on the . lake would be lost this year. Dr. Shapiro said he feels there should be a 12 inch limit on bass and added that Round Lake is the first lake where this type of project has been done. He urges that an informational sign be erected near the lake for the public's information. Baker asked why the 1980 program was a failure. Dr. Shapiro that it was not a failure since the lake was clear for two years, but that nothing was done to keep it in that condition. The program was done just to see what would happen. Baker asked if the problems are due to fishing pressures. Dr. Shapiro replied that there are too many bluegill and many small bass were taken out. Baker asked if the excessive level of the lake or runoff have anything to do with it. Dr. Shapiro said no, but that the nutrient input would have to be monitored. Kingrey asked if the City would be putting money into the lake every year. Dr. Shapiro said no, it is still an experimental program. He feels he and his staff understand what is happening and will monitor it for three years. The DNR will monitor the fish population. Kingrey asked if adding the Rotenone will affect swimming in the lake. Shapiro said no. Gonyea asked why the lake went back to the way it was before the treatment was done. Shapiro said that there were too many bluegills that were not controlled by the bass. Gonyea asked what will happen to the quality of the lake in ten years. Shapiro said he doesn' t know, but that the lake quality will be good for at least 1-3 years. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 -3- Gonyea asked if the lake continues to be restocked and treated with chemicals, the quality could stay good indefinitely. Shapiro said yes. Gonyea asked if he feels it will be an ongoing commitment with reduced cost as time goes on. Shapiro agreed with this statement. Gonyea asked what the cost of the fingerlings would be. Lambert said they are provided free by the DNR. The only cost would be about $4,500 for the University of Minnesota study. Cook asked if we knew the number of bass were being reduced, why weren't they being restocked. Shapiro said the program was only experimental and this is Phase Two. The City did not continue to fund a monitoring program after 1982. w Baker asked if the rainbow trout would live in Round Lake. Shapiro said that the trout would only be stocked once to provide continuous fishing in 1986. It is not likely they would reproduce in Round Lake. Kingrey asked what kind of report the City receives from the University of Minnesota. Shapiro said it is an annual report consisting of ongoing programs and future plans. Kingrey asked where the money for this project will come from. Lambert said it will come from the general fund. MOTION: A motion was made by Baker to recommend approval of the RoundLake project per staff recommendation with the addition that a sign be erected by the lake informing the public of the program. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Southwest Crossing (continued from May 20, 1985) Refer to memo dated May 23, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert introduced Mr. Dale Beckman of BRW and Mr. Matt Nichols of Vantage Corporation. Mr. Nichols said that at the present time, there is a 245,000 squave foot office building under construction. Also, Viking Drive has been completed to Prairie Center Drive except for the topcoat. A retail center and a hotel are planned for the site along with a n extension of Viking Drive and a jogging path. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 -4- Mr. Beckman showed concept plans for the site saying that the path would run from west of the PUD to east of the PUD following Smetana Lake. The pathways would connect the office buildings to the pedestrian area. Vegetation on the site is mature oak and basswoods. Kingrey asked if the trees are located here due to a regrowth situation or if the soil supported hardwood trees. Beckman said that the mature trees are near the NSP easement. Kingrey asked if there is a reason, other than the lake view, that the building is located so far to the west. Beckman replied that the developer would try to save as many trees as possible and that this is just a concept plan. Cook asked where the 20% of floodplain would be filled in. Beckmaa showed the area on the site plan and said that most of the grading that was planned earlier has never been done. Cook asked the location of Site 18. Beckman showed its location on the site plan north and west of Golden Triangle Drive. Lambert said that the Planning Department recommended a change on the wooded hill to preserve more of the crown of the hill. This will be a trade-off situation and he said the Commission should be aware that this development will make a big change in the area. His recommendation is to support the concept, but he is concerned about approving building locations which require variances. Kingrey said that he likes the idea of the pathway as proposed, but is concerned with the location of the building. He feels it should be pushed back further to the east to preserve more of the mature trees. Lambert reminded the Commission that this is concept approval only. Nichols commented that as part of the "flip-flop", some concessions will have to be made by the City. Another alternative the developer would have could wipe out the front of the hill. He asked the Commission to keep this under consideration and remain flexible. Baker asked if the property north of the creek was owned by Vantage. Beckman said no, it is owned by Hoyt Development. Baker said he feels the Commission cannot make a decision on this site without seeing Hoyt's development proposal. Baker asked what the developer's purpose is in raising the level of the lake. Beckman said this was suggested by the Watershed District for both aesthetic and storm water runoff reasons. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 -5- Cook said he does not agree with constructing a five story building so near to the creek. Kingrey asked if any other items about the development proposal should be discussed. Lambert said that all of them are listed in the staff report and each item will have to be approved separately before anything is done. This is a concept plan only. Beckman said the developer has no intentions of mass grading the site. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of the PUD concept per "! sty recommendation with an additional condition that the site shown on the north side of the NSP easement west of Golden Triangle Drive be looked at strongly by the Commission to move the building further to the east to save the maximum amount of oaks possible. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 6-0.B. BFI Amended Plan Refer to memo dated May 30, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and memo dated May 23, 1985 from City staff. Lambert introduced Mr. Fred Hoisington representing Woodlake �. Sanitary Service. They are requesting a PUD amendment to increase the size of the PUD from 225 to 312 acres which includes an expansion of the area used for sanitary landfill from 107 acres to 149 acres and modifying the location and amount of land designated for industrial end use, reducing the amount of land designated for residential use; a zoning amendment for a portion of the landfill expansion area east of the PUD and Development Stage PUD approval for the entire landfill. Mr. Hoisington reported that the EIS was done in 1982. The subject property is located west of Highway 169, north of County Road 1, east of Homeward Hills and south of the Minnesota River. The airport is located west of Flying Cloud Drive and two zones are located to the north. 'Lone A cannot be used for much other than agriculture and Zone B is not entirely owned by MAC. The nearest homes are located within 1,500 to 2,000 feet of the site. There are 100 homes located in the Bluffs West 2nd Addition. Hoisington said there is some disagreement over whether their plan agrees with the City's guide plan. They are in the process of considering which end use plan to construct in 1990-1995. Lambert i APPROVED MINU7:ES (`I EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 C_. -6- said staff is concerned with the traffic in the area and feels and there should be two accesses for Bluffs West 2nd Addition and the athletic complex. Staff also requested more athletic fields than shown on the plan (as many as eight softball fields, one baseball field, three or four soccer fields). Hoisington said that grading is very important to keep water off. The slopes for drainage are from 5-6%. However, there will be some problems in lighting the fields or using irrigation. Baker asked if there are trails located in the bluff area. Hoisington said no. There will be construction of a 15' berm on the east side within four months of approval. Hoisington reviewed the landscape plans for the site. Hoisington mentioned that several recreation facilities have been built on landfill sites including a golf course in Englewood, Colorado. He added that there is about a 10% settlement usually occurring within the first ten years. Kingrey asked what type of vegetation would be used on the berms and whether it would be maintained. Hoisington replied that plantings up to 17 feet high would be added on the northern edge of �_. the site and from four feet to 12 feet high plantings added at the center. The plantings would consist of blackhill spruce, several types of pine, pea shrub, etc. Kingrey asked if they would contract for an ongoing maintenance program. Hoisington said yes. Cook asked why the 150 foot scenic drive proposed in 1970 has not been mentioned. Hoisington replied that this was a Brauer concept and when the planned location of Highway 169 was moved, the plan changed. Enger said the City is asking for a substitute of a scenic overlook along the bluffs. Rossow said that City staff met with the PCA and BFI's attorney on Monday morning. The site will be left as open space unless otherwise decided by the director. The City does not have any assurance that the proposal offered by BPI can be done. Rossow added that even though the proposal is not within the Metro Council's plan, they will approve it. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 -7- Hoisington said BFI would like to cooperate with the City and stated that instead of the proposed plan, prairie grass only could be planted, as the City did not go along with the original plan to place a golf course on this site. Cook commented that he supports the complex shown on the site plan if it can be accomplished. Lambert reported that he has visited several landfill sites that have been developed. In Omaha, a ballfield has been placed on a shallow landfill site, including lights and irrigation. The outfields are playable. There have also been highrise buildings built on landfills in the Chicago area. Lambert asked if BFI is proposing to develop this site and turn it over to the City. Hoisington said he did not know about plans to turn it over to the ., City, but that there will be a shared responsibility between the developer and the City to do something regarding roadway connections and development of the site. Lambert asked if this proposal is approved by the City and the PCA will not approve it, can the City go back to the golf course idea instead of just planting prairie grass on the site. Hoisington said it is not likely that a golf course would be one of the options, but there are several other possibilities. ' Gonyea asked how long it will be until the landfill is at maximum capacity approved to date. Hoisington said that it could be at capacity this summer leaving a ravine on the site. Gonyea asked what would happen if the proposal does not get approved. Enger said that the permit was extended in 1982. If the landfill were closed, the ravine would be on the east side of the site which he feels could have some advantages. Lambert asked if there are any plans to mine the methane that is emitted or if a collection system was proposed. Hoisington said he was not aware of any plans to capture the methane. Gonyea commented that he knows of some sewage plants which use this method. Kingrey said he does not understand about the collection of methane. Hoisington said methane is active on the west end of the site with a flame. L. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND VATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 -8- Cook referred to the statement in the staff report about the problem piston type aircraft would have when a landfill is located within 5000 feet of a runway. Hoisington said there will be two different time frames and there should not be a problem. Kingrey said he has a concern with not knowing what PCA's feelings are concerning this proposal and did not know how the Commission could take action without having more information available. Lambert said the staff recommendation is to deny the request for the following reasons: the request is not in compliance with the ; comprehensive guide plan, the request is not in compliance with current zoning, no request has been received for zoning district amendment covering the proper area, no request for comprehensive guide plan amendment has been made, the request is an incompatible and use with adjacent residential areas, the request is not in compliance with the Metropolitan Council Solid Waste Management _ Development Guide/Policy Plan since no new capacity is needed in Hennepin County for mixed municipal waste and no capacity is needed for landfilling of residuals in Hennepin County until 1991, the proposal creates the potential for environmental impacts on air, water, vegetation, wildlife and surrounding land use, the proposed final cover plan is not in conformance with suggestions made in the EIS or PCA Draft Permit and no final grading plan has been �_. submitted which will make the proposed second use feasible. Lambert said he strongly supports the end use plan, but will not recommend approval it until we know it will work and be approved by PCA. Kingrey said before making a decision on the proposal, members of the Commission should be reminded about their responsibility, particulary in dealing with numbers 9 and 10. Enger added that even after approval of the concept plan, BFI would have to apply for a comprehensive guide plan and zoning request. Baker said that other than approving the ballfield complex, he feels this subject goes beyond the responsibility of the Parks and Recreation Commission. Lambert disagreed and pointed out the natural resources responsibilities the Commission has in regard to water quality, air quality, etc. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend denial of the BFI request until sucT time as numbers 1-10 are in compliance and are concluded to be within the best interests of the City of Eden Prairie. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 -9- C. Technology Park Refer to staff reports dated May 24, 1985. Lambert introduced Mr. Mike Gaare of Hoyt Development. Mr. Gaare showed an aerial photo of the site which was taken in April of 1984. The site is located on 66 acres with Nine Mile Creek to the north. The developer has completed two buildings and the third building is under construction. The request is for the fourth building in the development. Gaare pointed out existing zoning and said the site is west of Golden Triangle Drive with open space to the south. The developer is requesting concept approval for 23 acres east of Golden Triangle Drive. Kingrey asked what color the exterior of the building will be. Gaare said it will be in gray tones. Lambert said there are actually two requests being submitted for approval. They are the comprehensive guide plan change from industrial/high density residential to office on 19.65 acres, a planned unit development concept review on 68.36 acres and an C environmental assessment worksheet on 68.36 acres. He recommends approval per the staff report. MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval of Technology Park, Phase III per staff report, but adding a retaining wall to be constructed north of the creek to save more of the trees. Kingrey seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. D. Parkway Apartments Refer to staff report dated May 24, 1985. Lambert introduced Mr. James Cooper, architect for Galaxy Developers. Mr. Cooper reviewed the Parkway Apartments site plan located on the east end of Chestnut Drive and future Anderson Lakes Parkway, south of Mitchell Road. The site is on uneven terrain with few hills and a sparse amount of trees. There are five three story apartment buildings planned on the site, each with 73 units plus a recreation building. Each building will have its own pool, totlot and tennis court with a half basketball court. There will also be an indoor pool. Kingrey asked if these buildings will be visible from the Purgatory Creek recreation area. Lambert said they won't necessarily be visible, particularly if more construction is done in the area. .a APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 -10- Lambert said the developer will dedicate the floodplain area on the north end of the site to the City and pay cash park fees. Kingrey asked how many three bedroom units there would be in these buildings. Cooper said there is one three bedroom unit in each building. Kingrey expressed concern that there would not be playground areas available near the apartments for older children. Lambert said that in most cases, families living in apartments have pre-school age children. Red Rock Park is the closest neighborhood park in the area. Cook asked what the blue areas are shown on the site plan. Cooper said these are three swimming pools and two tennis courts. MOTION: A motion was made by Gonyea to recommend approval of the Parkway Apartments. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. y VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF ; A. Reports of Director of Community Services a { 1. Riley Lake Access Improvements Refer to memo dated May 30, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of J Community Services. This is an information item only. ; Lambert reported that the DNR is providing concrete planks to improve access to Riley Lake. These planks will be installed within the next two weeks. j B. City Council Meeting Report 1 Lambert reported that at the May 21 meeting the Council did not approve the recommendation from the Parks and Recreation Commission that Eden Prairie share equally in the cost of the Anderson Lakes outlet. They felt that Bloomington and the Watershed District would receive the most benefit from it. In a meeting between City staff and the Watershed District, it was suggested that Bloomington pay $40,000-$45,000, the Watershed District pay $20,000 and Eden Prairie pay $15,000-$16,000. The Council approved the Eden Prairie Baseball Association request and the request from Prairie East for playground equipment. i 1 t APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 -11- VII. OLD BUSINESS A. City Needs Study Committee Final Report Refer to memo dated May 30, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert said that the copy of the City Needs Study Committee Final Report was included in the packets. The only recommendation requiring immediate action is the recommendation that the City begin acquisition of land south of Miller Park immediately. Kingrey asked if residents of this area have been contacted. Lambert said no. Kingrey asked if there is any concern that Highway 212 will not be w ' built. Lambert said that these are the kind of things that should be considered. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend that the staff pursue the request to begin acquisition of land for Miller Park development. Baker seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. B. Comprehensive Park Plan Update - Park & Conservation Areas Refer to memo dated May 30, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reported that this section of the comprehensive park plan is mainly an inventory of what the City has and what is proposed. Pappas commented on the section on community parks and asked at what point Miller Park would be entered. Lambert said that Miller Park should have been listed. Kingrey asked if the park improvement schedule is being maintained. Lambert said yes. Cook said that there is no listing under Neil Lake Linear Park. Lambert said that the report is not complete at this point and some information was not readily available. MOTION: A motion was made by Kingrey to approve the inventory cater of the Comprehensive Park Plan. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. ` t APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 3, 1985 �. -12- VIII. NEW BUSINESS None IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Baker moved to adjourn the meeting at 11:00 p.m. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed 6-0. Respectfully submitted, t Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary i i AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JUNE 17, 1985 7:30 P. M. SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION BOARD ROOM COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen chairperson; Raiford Baker, Pat Breitenstein, Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea , Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Sandra F. Werts, Recreation Supervisor Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I . ROLL CALL II . APPROVAL OF AGENDA III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 3, 1985 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:35 Resignation of Jesse Schwartz �- V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS 7:40 A. The Garden 7:55 B. Mount Curve Addition VI . REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Report of Superintendent of Recreation 8:15 Monthy Community Center Report B. Report of Athletic Coordinator 8:20 Season Ending Reports a. Men's 3 Man Basketball - Spring 1985 b. Women's Volleyball 1985 C. Men s Hockey - Winter 1985 8:25 C. City Council Meeting Report VII . OLD BUSINESS 8:30 A. Update of Comprehensive Park Plan - Water Resources 8:45 B. Miller Park Conceptual Site Plan VIII. NEW BUSINESS 9:30 IX. ADJOURNMENT « S APPROVED MINUTES .' EDEN :PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, June 17, 1985 7:30 p.m. , School Board Room COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, acting chairperson; Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Marty Jessen, Raiford Baker, Jesse Schwartz COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services I. ROLI, CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by acting chairperson, Pat Breitenstein. 1 II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Kingrey moved to approve the agenda as published. Gonyea seed the motion and it carried 4-0. III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 17, 1985 MOTION: A motion was made by Kingrey to approve the minutes as pMI sFied. Cook seconded the motion and it carried 4-0. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Resignation of Jesse Schwartz Refer to memo dated June 6, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and letter dated June 1, 1985 from Jesse Schwartz. Lambert reported that Schwartz was resigning from the Commission due to other conflicts. The new Council policy is to meet with the eight applicants and at that time, the Council will ask questions of the group. After that meeting, the Council will nominate and vote on a new member based on their responses. This meeting will be held on June 18 at 6:00 p.m. and it is requested that a member of the Commission be present. Lambert asked for a volunteer to represent the Commission. Kingrey recommended that Pat Breitenstein represent the group. Pat responded that she would be the representative for the Parks and Recreation Commission at this meeting. Breitenstein asked if Lambert would be sending Schwartz a letter of appreciation. Lambert said that a letter would be sent by staff on behalf of the Council, Mayor and the Commission. F4 r't;h APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 17, 1985 -2- V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. The Garden Refer to memo dated June 12, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and staff report dated April 19, 1985. Lambert said that the developer was not contacted to be present at the meeting since there are no significant issues to be discussed. Lambert showed a map of Bryant Lake Park pointing out the new main entrance and existing entrance to the park and also the proposed site of the Garden. He recommends that a bike trail be constructed from Shady Oak Road through the park although the plan does not show a trail system. At this time, Carmel Park is the closest neighborhood park. When Rowland Road is upgraded, Lambert feels a wide shoulder or trail should be requested. Cook asked if there was any possibility of putting a trail in another area. Lambert said that it would be difficult because of the slopes and too many trees would have to be removed. He does V not recommend relocating the trail and does not feel there will be a problem with children getting to neighborhood parks. The City will speak to the county to see if a trail system can be Ic accommodated. a Cook asked if the trail would eventually begin at Shady Oak Road. Lambert said it would when Rowland Road is upgraded. Cook asked if white lines on county roads for bicycles are requested by the City or the county. Lambert said that green lines mean excellent, red means poor and yellow means a questionable area for safe bicycling. He added that a bike trail from Prairie Center Drive along Highway 5 is being considered. j Kingrey asked what Lambert's recommendation is on an 8' bikeway on i Rowland Road and whether this could be added to the Commission's recommendation to the Council. Lambert said that when Rowland Road is upgraded, a request could be made to see if the construction of i a trail is possible or that shoulders be added to the road. A change in the park plan would be necessary to add bike trails. Cook asked if the developer could be asked to construct a bikeway. Lambert said it would not be fair to ask the developer to put in a trail because it would be torn up when Rowland Road is upgraded. 1 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 17, 1985 -3- MOTION: Kingrey made a motion recommending that when Rowland Road Ts upgraded, an 81 asphalt bikeway be constructed along Rowland Road for access to the neighborhood park from residential I subdivisions that will be developed north of Rowland Road and giving pedestrians safe access to the Bryant Lake Regional Park Entrance located in the area of Garden Road. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. B. Mount Curve Addition Refer to staff report dated April 19, 1985. Lambert reported that this is a small subdivision of less than two acres across Franlo Road and Golf View Drive. There are a number of trees located on the site including four major oak trees. The developer will save three of the oak trees and is requesting a zoning change from low density residential to medium density residential. He recommends approval since there are no issues to discuss other than the trees. Kingrey said that there appears to be a lot of fill being done and asked if there would be fill around the oak trees. Lambert said although there will be cutting and filling, the grading plan will be changed because of the oak trees. Kingrey said he has some concern with the result of filling around the oak trees which could kill them. Cook referred to the left rear southwestern corner of the site and asked if this would remain in its natural state. Lambert said yes, since this is a difficult area to build on. Kingrey referred to the last sentence in the staff report which says "Notify the City and Watershed District at least 48 hours in advance of grading or tree removal" and said this sentence is the same in every development proposal. Lambert said this means that approvals have already been made but that construction fencing and erosion control fencing should be put up Prior to grading. Cook asked what the penalty is when a developer does not notify the City prior to grading or tree removal. Lambert said they are red tagged and stopped which costs the developer more money when they hire machinery to come in and have to get them back a second time. If a tree that was supposed to be saved is removed, the developer is required to replace the tree circumference inch per circumference inch. APPROVED MINUTES r EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION June 17, 1985 -4- MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval of the Mount Curve AAaU on per staff recommendations. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. i VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS AND STAFF A. Report of Superintendent of Recreation 1. Monthly Community Center Report This is an information item only. Kingrey asked if there was an update on the litigation proceedings. Lambert said samples have been taken, but there is no further information available to date. Kingrey mentioned the chalky spots on the outside of the Community Center building. Lambert said this is caused by moisture coming out of the walls and taking the salt or calcium chloride out of the brick. Kingrey asked if this weakens the mortar on the brick. Lambert said he doesn't know for sure, but doesn't believe it does. Gonyea said this is similar to what happens on the outside of homes. Lambert said he feels that it is caused by the greater amount of calcium chloride which is used during winter construction. Cook asked how the Community Center is doing compared to last year. Lambert said it is about even with last year. Cook said that it would be interesting to see a quarterly report comparing 1984 to 1985. B. Report of Athletic Coordinator 1. Season Ending Reports a. Men's 3 Man Basketball - Spring 1985 I This is an information item only. f 2. Women's Volleyball 1985 This is an information item only. c. Men's Hockey Winter 1985 rr This is an information item only. l ,1 77 1 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES June 17, 1985 �. -5- C. City Council Meeting Report i There was no information available at this meeting. VII. OLD BUSINESS A. Update of Comprehensive Park Plan - Water Resources Lambert reported that this chapter is mainly an inventory of lakes and streams in the City. The recommendations are from the Lake Study Committee and were adopted by the Parks and Recreation Commission and the City Council in 1982. Cook said that there have been many recommendations regarding the lake areas since 1981 and he feels that an explanation of where the recommendations stand at the present time should be included in the plan, especially those which have been completed. Lambert said he will do this and review these with the Commission on a yearly basis. At this point, Lambert briefly reviewed his recent conversations with Mr. Tom Hanson who is Vice President of the Jaycees. Mr. Hanson is concerned with the proposed treatment of Round Lake and feels the fishing is good there at the present time. If anything is to be done, he favors partial treatment only. Lambert said he will bring these concerns to the Council and commented that he has no problem with waiting a year or more to begin the project. MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend approval of the water resources c apter of the Comprehensive Park Plan. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. B. Miller Park Conceptual Site Plan Refer to memo dated June 13, 1985 from Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services. Lambert reviewed the concept plan for Miller Park. He said the site is located on 72 acres and pointed out the basic boundary. The plan includes extra ballfields that are needed, but keeps the trees located where they are to preserve the appearance of a park rather than just an athletic field complex. The plan includes approximately 30 acres located between the existing park and the APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES June 17, 1985 -6- proposed alignment of Highway 212. This facility should meet the City's needs up to 1990 or 1995 with four lighted and irrigated softball fields, four irrigated baseball fields and five lighted and irrigated soccer fields. Lambert feels a loop road system is important since much of the traffic occurs at the same time. The loop would swing down to a frontage road. He feels the City would have to pay for half of the cost of construction of the frontage road and there may be money available from the state for the acquisition of the 212 right-of-way. Lambert feels the location of the park expansion is appropriate with the development of Highway 212 and the frontage road. Since Highway 212 will not be developed for several years, the frontage road could be used as a City street up to this point. Parking space for the park was figured at 15 cars per team, 30 cars w ' per game and 60 cars per field for softball, baseball and soccer. There should be enough parking space so two different tournaments can be held in the park at the same time. A marina is also planned for the park with either a horsepower limit or a speed limit on the water and an aeration system. Lambert said the beach is not in a good location and could be moved although the water quality is questionable for swimming. The picnic areas will be similar to Staring Lake. There will also be multi-use courts, six tennis courts, a concession stand and storage areas at each ballfield complex. The cost of the development would be approximately $4 million to $4.5 million. Kingrey asked if lighted athletic fields have to be irrigated. Lambert said yes. Kingrey asked if there had been any comments from residents in Timber Lake. Lambert said they have not been contacted, but will be notified for the July 15 meeting. Gonyea asked how much it cost to develop Round Lake. Lambert said it is difficult to estimate, but the City began acquiring land in 1968. Since he has been here, he estimates the City has spent about $2 million for development of that site. Cook asked if the total, cost includes land and the frontage road. Lambert said the frontage road is included, but probably not the land. ..1' 1. .. ... .. .. ... ._.. _. .... �...:....,....... _. ........ ...:.... :.: .'.:.r'? .. t. :...." t ....1....... .f, ^wrv.Xnmr nrhl vnwr..w. APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES June 17, 1985 -7- Gonyea asked who owns this land. Lambert said the land for the expansion area is owned by a company located in St. Louis Park. Kingrey said the land will probably have to be condemned since the development of Highway 212 is unknown at this time. Cook said that parking for 220 cars near the athletic fields would increase traffic too much without another outlet. Lambert said another connection could be easily made. Kingrey said he feels that a road to the east should not carry traffic to the north. Lambert said that the road going through Timber Lakes was designed as a collector street and, therefore, should not be a problem. However, he expects an additional outlet to County Road 4 south of the Timber Creek access road. Cook asked where the railroad tracks come across County Road 4. Lambert pointed out the area on the map. MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend approval of the Miller Park concept plan and notify residents of Timber Lakes and the athletic associations so they can attend a Commission meeting and offer their input. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. VIII. NEW BUSINESS None IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Cook moved to adjourn the meeting at 8:40 p.m. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. Respectfully submitted, Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary