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PARKS,RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY,JUNE 2,1997 7:00 P.M.CITY CENTER
8080 MITCHELL ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Claire Hilgeman, Chair: Richard Brown, Frantz Corneille,
Don Jacobson,Vicki Koenig,David Kracum,John Wilson
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STUDENT MEMBERS: Jennifer Freemyer,Melody Hasse
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources: Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and
Natural Resources, Laurie Hclling, Manager of Recreation J
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1. ROLL CALL
11. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Ill. APPROVAL OF MINUTES-MAY 5. 1997
IV. PETITIONS_REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Request from Eden Prairic Soccer Association to Place Storage Trailer at Miller Park
B. Rcqucst to Extend Water Service to Equestrian Arena at Riley Lnke Park
C. Rcqucst from Soccer Club to Extend the 10e00_pan,Light Usage at Miller Park for
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V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Villas at Mitchell Lake
VI. OLD 13 tSINESS
A. None
VII. NEW BUSINESS i
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VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
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IX. ADJOURNMENT
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS,RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES
MONDAY,JUNE 2, 1997 7:00 P.M.CITY CENTER
8080 MITCHELL ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Brown, Chair; Frantz Comeille,
Claire Hilgcman, Don Jacobson, Vicki
Koenig,David Kracum,John Wilson
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Richard Brown
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COMMISSION STAFF: Robert Lambert,Director of Parks,Recreation 's
and Facilities; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of
Parks and Natural Resources; Elinda Bahley,
Recording Secretary
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STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE: Jennifer Frcemyer,Melody Hasse(absent)
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1. ROLL CALL
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Vice Chair Jacobson called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Commissioner Wilson
arrived at 7:03 p.m.
11. APPROVAL OF AGENDA i
MOTION: Koenig moved, seconded by Corneille, to approve the agenda as
published. Motion carried 5-0.
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Melody Hasse correct the top of page one noting she was not absent.
I lilgentan noted on page 4,sixth paragraph,huge is spelled wrong. She also noted J
on page 7,the third sentence should read,..both the Baseball Association and Soccer
Association to providing matching funds...
(Commissioner Wilson arrived at 7:03 p.m.)
MOTION: Koenig moved, seconded by Kracum, to approve the minutes of the
May 19, 1997 Eden Prairie Parks,Recreation and Natural Resources Commission
Cas amended. Motion carried 6-0.
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IV. PETITIONS,REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Request from Eden Prairie Soccer Association to Place Storage Trailer
at Miller Park
Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated May 20, 1997,from Bob
Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources.and a letter
dated May 19, 1997,from Rick LaMothe,Concession Coordinator.
Lambert indicated the Soccer Club has requested to place a storage trailer
from June 26 to July 13 at Miller Park in order to provide for secured
concessions, The City does not ordinarily approve these kinds of things to
be stored overnight on park property. however, until the City is able to
provide concessionlstoraagc buildings for the various facilities in Miller Park,
the City will have to accommodate association requests. Staff recommended
approval of the request.
MOTION: Hilgeman moved,seconded by Koenig,to approve the request
for the Eden Prairie Soccer Club to place a temporary storage trailer at Miller `
park per the memo of May 20, 1997. Motion carried 6-0.
B. Request to Extend Water Service to Equestrian Arena at Riley Lake
park
Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated May 29. 1997 from Bob
Lambert,Director of Parks,Recreation and Natural Resources.
Lambert indicated the Heyvaerts have requested the City extend water from
the existing hydrant on the Rilcy/Jacques site to the riding arcna. The
estimated cost for extending water service from the hydrant to the arena is
$2,500. They would like water at this site in order to provide dust control
when they are having events at this site and for the purpose of providing
water for horses at the site.
Staff recommended approval of the request to extend water to the site and
provide a drinking fountain with a hose bib that will allow connecting a
water hose for the purpose of filling water troughs for horses, as well as
watering down the arena on extremely dry days. This would be put in during
the summer.
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Flilgeman asked where the moncy would be coming from. Lambert replied
cash park fees.
Koenig asked if there was any chance the Heyvacrts would donate the
money. Lambert said they did not offer.
Jacobson asked if this hydrant and pipeline are going to be permanent.
Lambert said yes and explained where the pipeline would run. The hydrant
will be placed in a location where no matter what's going to happen on that
site,it will be utilized. It is an historic site and there will be programs taking
Place so it would always be good to have a few drinking fountains on that
site. It will be within approximately 40 feet of the barn, 120 feet from the
house.
Hilgcman commented when the Fleyvaerts first came to the City about their
proposal to help relocate the arena, they indicated they would need water
there at sonic point.
{ MOTION: Wilson moved, seconded by Hilgcman, to accept staffs
recommendation to put in appropriate water service to the arena at the
Riley/Jacques site. Motion carried 6-0.
C. $tquest from Soccer Club to 1 Wend (he 10 00 p.m. t Usage i►t
Miller Park for Two Weekends
Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated May 29, 1997 from Bob
Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources.and a letter
dated May 29, 1997 from Rick Baredziak,Eden Prairie Soccer Club.
Lambert explained the request from the Soccer Club is to allow them to jj►
extend the lights at the park for any game that might be delayed due to injury i
or rain beyond 10:00 p.m. He indicated to them that the City does not '
support the request. When the park and lights were put in,the City made a
commitment to the residents around the park that those lights would be off
at 10:00. Staff told the residents to expect requests from the different athletic
associauionS for one reason or another.
During the first year of the park usage the Softball Association held a
national tournament and the City granted a"one time"temporary extension
to be allowed if games ran over due to rain,delays,injuries,etc. This was
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allowed because this was a national tournament that might occur once every
Five or ten years. ']'his was also granted subject to the Softball Association
writing letters to all surrounding property owners, visiting with them and
offering them free access to the tournament. The lights never did need to be
extended beyond 10:00 p.m. A vast majority of the people in the athletic
associations do not understand how strong those people feel about those
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Wilson asked if the games would just continue the next morning if there is
a delay. Rick Barcdziak,Tournament Director,replied normally they would j
just suspend a game at a time where it was appropriate. It if were 3/4 of a
game,they would constitute it a full game. They do not continue playing the
next day. He noted they have shortened their games from the normal 45
minute half to 40 minute half to accommodate any potential extension
beyond the 10:00 time. The last game would begin tit 8:00 p.m. so under
normal circumstances they would be finished at 9:30 p.m. The only reason
for the request is simply for the safety issue.
r Lambert noted the parking lot lights arc on until midnight so it does not go %1
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After a brief discussion, the Commission decided the City made a
commitment to the residents and they should stick by it. As a result, the
Commission was not able to support this request.
MOTION: Wilson moved, seconded by Koenig, to support staffs
recommendation to deny the request to extend past 10:00 p.m.for lights at
Miller Park. Motion curried 6-0.
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Villas at Mitchell LpjM
Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated May 28, 1997 from Stuart
A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources.a staff report dated May
23, 1997 from Michael D.Franzen,City Planncr;and a memo dated May 16.
1997 from Alan Gray,City Engineer,
Jack Brandt, representing Hartford Capital Corporation, reviewed the
development proposal with the Commission. Fle explained the different
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concepts possible for this site and noted the concept chosen is the most viable
and sensitive to the site. Christina Harrison from the Historic Preservation
Commission has indicated there arc three areas of historic and cultural
significance. They recommended that sites 1 and 2 be preserved and these
areas are located within a proposed conservation casement to the City.
The proposal is for 24 single family homes which comes to 2.4 units per
acre. The price range of the homes are between$200,000 to$400,000. They
are geared toward empty-nesters. The homes have a finished total of 3000
square feet. This development will be governed by an association that will
take care of the common areas. Al Gray conducted a►traffic study and the
trip generation for empty-nester type of units is about half of what it would
be with normal single amily units. It also concluded that Tcrrcy Pine Drive
was sufficient in size and design to cover the additional developments that
will take place on this project as well as some in the future ;
There arc four different elevations which create some diversity in the
development itself. They have asked the City to allow them to work with
customers and create an even more,diversity with minor modifications and
the City was in favor of this. There have been many neighborhood meetings
and the closest neighbor, Mr. Fristcd, has expressed his support for the
development. They will provide Mr. Fristcd with some additional visual
buffering in the form of trees and privacy fencing.
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Fox reviewed the staff'report. There arc 122 trees on this site that were
significant in size as defined by City ordinance. The calculated loss would
be 32 of those trees at 461 diameter inches, for a tree loss of 18 percent.
Originally,when the development was submitted the proposal was made to
relocate a number of conifer species on the site. 1-ic explained the reasons
why staff has recommended this not be done.
In terms of replacement,the trees that would be removed from the site must
be mitigated by City ordinance requirements and this would require the
planting of 110 caliper inches of trees. The developer has expressed an
interest in putting trees of a similar species back into the site.however,at the
time of this staft'report a complete landscape plan was not available. The
landscape plan is being worked on and would be present at the City Council
or by the time of the Developers'Agreement. A significant amount of the
large mature trees will not be inmpacted by the construction of these housing
units due to the shorcland setback required from Mitchell Lake.
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A NURP pond is scheduled to be constructed to handle storm water runoff
prior to entry into Mitchell Lake. A complete review of the sizing and
discharge levels is being undertaken by the engineering staff. The developer
will be required to complete the NURP pond as per City engineering and
Watershed District engineer recommendations, as well as taking proper
precautions to prevent erosion during the grading process from entering
Mitchell Lake.
The City does not have a sidewalk or trail along Terrey Pine Drive. The
developer is proposing an internal sidcwalk/trail system that would be
maintained by the owners'association and be used exclusively for people
living in this subdivision. All the proposed units arc located 150 feet away
from the ordinary high water mark of the lake so there would not be any
variance requests. The area between the housing units and lakeshore is
proposed to be operated as common ground by an association.
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This project was reviewed by the Planning Commission at the May 27
meeting and was approved on a 5-0 vote.
Hilgeman was concerned about the high density in an environmentally i
sensitive area.
Koenig was concerned about replacing trees with like trees. Brandt said they
would agree to like trees going back in. Koenig asked if the trees that can
not be transplanted are included in the tree loss. Perry Ryan, Ryan
Engineering,said they arc included in the tree loss.
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Koenig was concerned about someone clearing some of the vegetation in the
conservation area for a better view. Fox said there is a provision in the
Shorcland Ordinance that they can do minimal clearing of vegetation in order
to see a water body. They can't clear cut it. If they want to take out more
than 10 percent for the vegetation,they have to come back for permission to
do that under the City ordinance. Lambert commented that nobody is going
to pay$400,000 and clear cut it because it will take away from the value of
their home. Things will be kept as they arc just to retain the value of those
homes.
Koenig asked if there would be anymore collection into those NURP ponds
from anywhere else other than this development. Fox said no.
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MOTION: Kracum moved,seconded by Corneille,to approve the Villas at
Mitchell Lake project as per Planning Staff Report dated May 23, 1997,and
supplemental Staff Report dated May 28, 1997. Motion carried 6-0.
Vl. OLD BUSINESS
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VI1. NEW BUSINESS
A. Metropolitan Council Water Qualily Application
Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated May 27, 1997 from Bob
Lambert,Director of Parks,Recreation and Natural Resources.
Lambert said they arc requesting to join the Rilcy-Purgatory-Bluff Creek
Watershed District in applying for a Water Quality Grant from the
Metropolitan Council for the Staring Lake Outlet/Purgatory Creek
Recreation Area Project. The water quality grant application is for$100,000
for the water quality treatment portion of the project. This grant would
reduce the cost of this project to the Watershed District and the City of Eden
Prairie by the amount of the grant approved.
MOTION: Corneille moved,seconded by Koenig,to approve the Water
Quality Grant Application request for the grant from the Metropolitan
Council. Motion carried 6.0.
Flilgeman noted the meeting for the Big Woods was postponed until this
Wednesday,June4, 1997.
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MOTION: Wilson moved,seconded by Kracum,to adjourn the meeting. Motion
carried 6-0. The meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m.
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AGENDA
PARKS,RECREATION AND NATURAL.RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY,MAY 19,1997 7:00 P.M.CITY CENTER
8080 MITCHELL ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
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COMMISSION MEMBERS: Claire Flilgeman, Chair; Richard Brown, Frantz Corneille,
Don Jacobson,Vicki Koenig, David Kracum,John Wilson
STUDENT MEMBERS: Jennifer Freemyer,Melody Hasse
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks. Recreation and
Natural Resources; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and
Natural Resources; Laurie Flelling, Manager of Recreation
Services
1. ROIL CALI.
11. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
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III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES-MAY 5. 1997
IV. PETITIONS,REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
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A. Petition from Residents of Edenvale and Eden Glen Apartments for Floating
Boardwalk Trail
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V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. Lake Corporate Center
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Recommendation for Feasibility Study for Flidden Ponds Trails Renovation ,
B. Update on Smetana Lake Outlet Modification Prgicct
C. FlyiyL Cloud Field Improvements Update and Recommendation
D. ( ;commendation for Jnstallation of Play Equipment at Riley Lake Park
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Vlll. REPORTS OF OMMIRSIONER AND TAF
A. Reports of Director of P dli Rccr on nn t Natural Rctiour cs
1. Article Refcrrin�to Or�nni c i Yo nth Athl tiro
IX. ADJOURNMENT
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