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Parks and Recreation - 03/04/1996 tiw t Ir 1996 MARCH 4 MINUTES Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources Commission CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS,RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES MONDAY,MARCH 4, 1996 7:00 P.M. Council Chambers 8080 Mitchell Road COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Claire llllgeman, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Don Jacobson, David Kracum, Joanne Kubc-HarderwiJk COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Richard Brown,Vicki Koening i STUDENT MEMBERS PRESENT: Mark Bremer,Emily Hanka STAFF LIAISON: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources;Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager or Recreation Services; Elinda Bahley, Recording Secretary 1. ROLL CALL. The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m.by Chair 1-Iilgeman. Commissioners Brown I and Kocning were absent from this evening's meeting. 1 i A. Introduction of John Wilson New Commission Member.Term begins April 1, �q 11. APPROVAL OF AGENDA t I MOTION: Bowman moved,seconded by Jacobson to approve the agenda as published, Motion carried$-0. f III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES-FEBRUARY 20 I996 MOTION: I larderwijk moved, seconded by Bowman to approve the Minutes of the February 20, 1996 meeting or the Eden Prairie Parks,Recreation and Natural Resources Commission as submitted. Motion carried 4-0-1 with one abstention by Kracum. 1 � { i Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission Monday,March 4, 1996 IV. PETITIONS.REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. None V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Rogers Ilomestead Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated February 29, 1996,from Stuart A. Fox,Manager of Parks and Natural Resources;and a Staff Report dated February 9, 1996,from Michael D. Franzen,City Planner. Paul Thorpe,developer,reviewed his development proposal with the Commission. Rogers Homestead is a 16-lot subdivision, single family residential. The development consists of nine lots fronting on Duck Lake. The lots on the lake conform to the Shoreland Ordinance, and the other ones conform to RI-13 lots. Setback from the lake is 100 feet. The developer's goal is to create a development that's sensitive on maintaining the shore and the marsh while creating some excellent homes. Fox noted this particular project has 16 lots on I 1 acres. The first project,which was �. reviewed last July, went through both the Parks Commission and the Planning Commission,but was withdrawn by the developer prior to any hearing at the City Council. i 'this particular project is very similar in design as far as the tree loss on the site There is 29 percent loss of significant trees. The site has a total of 56 significant 3 trees with a total of 1,211 diameter inches. The majority of the trees on the site are i bur oak r.1d cottonwoods,which arc the significant trees. Based on the grading and the NURP pond location,Staff estimated that 14 of the 56 trees will be removed which will total 3 H diameter inches. The tree replacement based on that total calls for 133 diameter inches. The landscaping plan showed 134.which is one inch in excess of the ordinance. it The NURP pond is located in the northeast corner of the site. It is only sized to early water from one of the cul-de-sacs. The Engineering Department has been working on some other plans as I'ar as taking care of some of the water runoff from Duck Lake [toad. When the Planning Commission reviewed this project, it was also suggested that some form of'sidewalk plan be developed;however,there was nothing specific in the motion. Staffs recommendation was to bring a sidewalk southerly along Duck 2 i Parks,Recreation and Natural Resources Commission Monday,March 4, 1996 Lake Road to Padon Drive and then explore the possibility of putting a sidewalk through Padon Drive to Barberry. This would result in students going through a circuitous course rather than straight down Duck Lake Road to get to school. Bowman questioned the long tern plan solution to the bridge or expanding the road. Fox replied there is probably going to be a long term solution,such as a floating boardwalk or a bridge. The Engineering Department has talked about a couple of things,but they are all things the City would have to bear the cost of. It would not be associated with any particular development. Bowman stated they need to plan to maintain a right of way on this development for future use. If they went ahead with sidewalks now, they could have a bigger 1 problem than they have now if there is no safe way to cross the water. Fox noted within the way the right of way as proposed,there would be room for a sidewalk to be constructed in the future. Kracum commented it does not make sense running a sidewalk into the edge of the water. He was concerned about the safety liability. Hilgcman expressed concern about removing cottonwoods and maples, and not treplacing with the same type of trees. Thorpe replied that his plan is to transplant many of the trees. Hilgcman noted she would like to sec a lot more diversity regarding the tree replacement. i Bowman asked what the transplant success rate is compared to planting nursery stock. Fox replied you can have success of up to 90 percent or higher. There is a one year warranty period. The developer is meeting the ordinance in what he plans ; to plant with nursery stock. s a Jacobson asked how this development will affect Duck Lake access. Lambert 3 replied they were not able to develop an access that would accommodate boat trailers,and the developer was very cooperative trying to fit it in. They decided to use the existing strip of land along Duck Lake Trail as a carry on boat access. The R� DNR indicated if they are able to pass a Surface Management Ordinance Restriction to no motors,then they will determine the carry on boat access to be public access, and they would maintain the lake. Bowman asked for a review of the variances requested for this project. Fox noted they are listed in the Staff Report of February 9. 3 Parks,Recreation and Natural Resources Commission Monday,March 4, 1996 Bowman expressed concern about decks infringing on the back of homes in the shorcland. Fox stated lots 7 through 16 arc set up with 100 feet setbacks;therefore, there would be no room for decks or porches. Thorpe noted they would let the buyers know there is no room for decks or porches unless they make the houses smaller in size,in fact,he planned to file a drainage and utility casement at the 100 foot setback line which would prohibit decks within the setback. Kracum noted he hopes there will be a plan that will allow decks because of the beautiful views of the lake, MOTION: Kracum moved, seconded by Bowman to approve this proposed development as per the staff report dated February 9, 1996 with the additional provisions that are not stated in the staff recommendations: I) a sidewalk be constructed on the cast side of Duck Lake Road from Duck Lake Trail south to the cul-de-sac,and on the south side of Duck Lake Trail from the intersection of Duck Lake Road easterly to the property boundary. 2)with special attention needed to replace trees with cottonwoods and maples. Motion carried 5-0. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. 1996 Commission Work Plan Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated February 27. 1996,from Robert A. Lambert,Director of Parks,Recreation and Facilities. i i Lambert noted at the last meeting there was an item on the agenda called the 1 Commission Work Plan. He indicated the City Council requested each of the commissions to develop a work plan for 1996. They would submit it to the City Council and a commission member would be selected to report on the progress of the work plan to the City Council once or twice a year. Lambert suggested to the commission members to pick an item or two that the Commission should try to establish this year,and discuss a plan,and a deadline for completion. �+ Kracum noted that Kocning and Brown are an integral part of this Commission. He , would be hesitant to implement a plan this evening without their input. Lambert stated he spoke to each one of them on the telephone. Brown indicated he would support any project anybody wanted to advise, He said he is involved on a couple of committees now that arc involved in issues that have come up from the 4 ,1 Parks,Recreation and Natural Resources Commission Monday,March 4,1996 City survey. If there were any issues that came up from that,lie would be willing to work on that. Lambert said the only comment Kocning wanted to add to the discussion was about livable communities in the future. She said if livable communities get involved with having to have higher density to keep the price down,and if that means imposing into sensitive areas she would have a problem with that. She had no comment regarding the work plan. Lambert suggested discussing some items and he will make a draft of it for the next meeting when Kocning and Brown arc present. Filgcman indicated neighborhood park safety issues for the work plan. She would like to spend money on several small projects rather than one big project. It would be a good idea to spread the money around instead of in just one place, lambert noted he will be giving the Commission a list of smaller projects that were not included in the five-year CIP that they may want to include in the work plan. Bowman stated he would like to sec a review of any parts of the trail system that arc not continuous that arc still pending,and tic them in together. That's an area where he believes the City will get the most out of their money. Hilgeman suggested having youth representntives participate in the work plan. Hilgcman referred the Commission to the memo dated January 29, 1996. The subject was the 1996 Commission Work Plan proposed. She suggested everyone get c a copy and use the proposed work plan's six projects listed as a guide, and then develop a list of things that everyone wants to get established for 1996 and bring it } back to the next meeting. i V11. N E W RIJSINESS t I A. J vablc Communities IloucinqGoals.. ' Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated February 22. 1996, from David Lindahl, HRA manager. A memo dated February 29, 1996, from David Lindahl, HRA Manager. Ross Thoriinnson, City Council, reviewed the attached Livable Communities Strategics developed by the I lousing,Transportation,and Social Services Board,and the goals they hope to achieve with the Commission. 5 I , i Parks,Recreation and Natural Resources Commission Monday,March 4,1996 i This is legislation handed down by the State Legislature in 1995 to help address a variety of housing development issues. It is primarily to put more affordable housing into the outer suburbs. This is an effort made to increase the amount of affordable housing in the City. Staff has the task of negotiating some kind of settlement with Met Council as far as what their goals arc going to be. After a lot of hard work by Staff,they have come up with some goals they think are realistic I and attainable. They know what the goals arc and have agreed to them. The process now is to develop an action plan to help attain those goals over the next several ! years. i Strategies were put together by the HTSSB to help attain those goals. Out of these strategics they will develop a firmer action plan. At this point the strategics are being taken to the various boards and commissions because in order to attain these goals and work with the strategics that have been developed,it's important that everyone through the development process is aware of this. All future residential housing proposals will be required to participate. They are considering a fund that would be funded by developers that choose to pay cash in lieu of,which is similar to the cash park system to develop parks. i There are a number of large tracts of land undeveloped in the southwest comer. 1 They are already in the pro"—of talking to those people and encouraging them to incorporate affordable housing mixed through their development. Staff would like to sec approval of these strategics by the Commission so they can take them forward to the City Council. Kracum was concerned about what the percentage of the detached single family houses in Eden Prairie is of the total houses priced Icc,s than$1 15,000. Thorfinnson noted they are close to the goals set right now. I f they arc able to come forward with a goal that is outlined,it will keep them on track. Kube-Hardcrwijk expressed concern about $115.000 homes going up in price quickly during the next 10 years. Thorfinnson noted that the$1 15,000 is tied to cost of living increases on an annual basis. ( 6 Parks, Recreation and Nutural Resources Commission Monday,March 4, 1996 I MOTION:Kube-I-larderwijk moved,seconded by Bowman to approve the"Livable Communities Strategies"as outlined in the memo dated February 22, 1996. Motion curried 5-0. Vlll. RIPQRT OF OMMIti ION .R4 AND STAFF A. Rgports of Director of Parks.Recreation and Facilities 1. Community Center Parking Lot Update Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated February 14, 1996, from Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks,Recreation and Facilities. Lambert noted there will be a two-hour parking limit on the west half of the Community Center parking lot. It will be in effect from 7:00 a.m.until 2:30 p.m.,Monday through Friday when school is not in session. They will take the signs down during the summer months. This was a recommendation from the students tit the high school,the staff at the high school,and staff from Southwest Metro. Jacobson asked when this will start. Lambert replied as soon as the signs can be made. 2. Athletic Association Responsibilities Ile: ADA Meeting with Presidents of Associations March 5,129¢ ! Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated February 23, 1996, from Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks,Recreation and Facilities. i Lambert noted there will be a meeting March 5 at 7:00 p.m. in the Heritage s Room IV. The presidents don't have to attend. They can send their representative. The issue to be discussed is the Association's responsibility i to provide services to participants with disabilities. I-larderwijk sugy!-sted getting volunteers for signing to players with hearing disabilities. Lambert replied they have used volunteers with the recreation programs and it was a hit or miss. Bowman indicated he would like to obtain the amount of hearing impaired children in the area. Something needs to be done for these kids. lie suggested scholarships to give money to go to athletic programs or Boy 7 i t is �- Parks,Recreation and Natural Resources Commission Monday,March 4,1996 Scouts. Lambert said the City can only give scholarships for their own programs. 3. Miller Park Skating Rink Update Staff referred the Commission to a memo dated February 27, 1996, from Robert A.Lambert,Director of Parks,Recreation and Facilities. Lambert indicated the City Council turned down the Commission recommendation on a 3-2 vote for developing a Miller Park skating rink at the proposed$235,000 budget. The Council appointed Ross and Nancy,who are two of the no votes, to meet with Staff and sec what the real cost breakdowns were. He asked the City Architect that did the project to breakdown all the different components in the program. This way they can see what the costs are. Staff will not be able to meet with them both because they have conflicting schedules until next week. IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Jacobson moved,seconded by Kracum to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 5-0. The meeting adjourned at 8:45. s 8