Planning Commission - 05/08/2000 APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE COMMUNITY PLANNING BOARD
MONDAY, MAY 8, 2000 7:00 P.M., CITY CENTER
Council Chambers
8080 Mitchell Road
BOARD MEMBERS: Ken Brooks, Kenneth E. Clinton,
Frantz Corneille, Randy Foote, Vicki
Koenig, Kathy Nelson, Susan Stock,
Ray Stoelting
STAFF MEMBERS: Stu Fox, Manager of Parks and
Natural; Mike Franzen, City Planner;
Alan Gray, City Engineer; Donald
Uram, Community Development/
Financial Services Director
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - ROLL CALL
Chair Corneille called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: by Foote, second by Brooks, to approve the May 8, 2000, agenda.
Motion carried, 8-0.
III. MINUTES
MOTION: by Nelson, second by Koenig, to approve the Minutes of the April 24,
2000 Community Planning Board.
Motion carried, 7-0, abstention Brooks.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. BRYANT LAKE REGIONAL PARKâPHASE II by Hennepin Parks
for Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 167.6 acres and Planned
Unit Development District Review with waivers within the Rural Zoning
District on 167.6 acres. Location: 6800 Rowland Road.
Chair Corneille opened the public hearing at 7:02 p.m.
Karen Bowen, Director of Operations, stated another issue has become
apparent as a result of a neighborhood meeting. There has been a lot of
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interest in the disc golf course, and players are parking outside of the park,
in the neighborhoods, to avoid entry fees. There are concerns with loud
music, inappropriate language, littering, and speeding. The Eden Prairie
Police Department has put out temporary signs prohibiting parking in some
neighborhoods, but players are just parking further away. Hennepin Parks
staffed about 20 hours over the weekend and passed out flyers, notifying
players not to park on residential streets. Eden Prairie PD said there were
not a lot of problems over the weekend. Hennepin Parks will consider
charging for playing the course if the situation is not remedied. There is a
possibility of relocating the Hennepin County southern division of public
safety here; there would then be an on site ranger presence.
Foote questioned whether the problem was players not wanting to pay the
parking fee or the problem was space.
Bowen said the fee, not space, was the problem, at$5.00 per day or$25.00
annually
Alex Meyer, landscape architect for the project, said Phase I was removal of
the entrance road, bringing in a new road, constructing a beach, main
parking, maintenance facility, a boat launch with 20 car parking, and a lift
station. Phase II involves a $550,000 grant to develop part of the master plan
which includes four lots,restrooms, and a picnic shelter on the main hill.
They will continue the bike/hike trail loop to Wooddale. This project
includes sewer and water to the site. Lighting includes limited downcast
shoebox light fixtures. There will be lights at the intersection of the main
road. The setback is within 200 feet of the shoreline and requires a variance.
The architecture includes a 500 square foot structure with cedar siding, and
an 800 square foot structure for the picnic shelter.
Nelson asked about the low-level parking lot by the lift station, and the
small size of the parking lot close to the picnic shelter.
Meyer said it was due to the wetland ordinance and the shoreline buffer
zone of 50 feet.
Stoelting asked which residential areas the cars are in.
Meyer said the problem was mainly in Raspberry Hill Road, directly across
from the main entrance to the park. The City now has it signed as tow-away
zone;but now cars are parked further up.
Stoelting asked if the park entrance was a controlled entry.
Meyer said yes; gatehouse attendants collect the fees; they're seasonal.
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Flemming said the staff recommendation was approval of Phase II as part of
the approved master plan. There is one shoreline waiver which is consistent
with phase I and the overall concept. The police and Hennepin Parks are
working on parking issues.
Foote asked if there was a plan to correct the parking issues.
Bowen said staff flyers, education, word-of mouth, and rangers were the
plan. The next mitigation step would be to charge for disc golf as part of
parking.
Foote asked whether there would be enforcement of the towaway signs?
Bowen said they recommended signs, and possibly parking by permit only
for neighbors.
Brooks asked whether a traffic count had been completed for the off-street
parking problem.
Bowen said it was staffed for 20 hours over the weekend; there were 300
cars through the gate, half were for disc golf, and he was not aware of any
problems with parking over the weekend.
Stoelting asked about the construction of 85 additional parking phases and
whether parking had ever been a problem.
Bowen said the pavilion was rented often, if there was a big swimming
weekend, the lot may be filled,but it was rare to have overflow.
Meyer said the main lot has 212 cars, the overflow has parked in turf lot
when necessary.
Koenig asked whether the parking would be sufficient with the increased
interest in golf.
Franzen said staff did not anticipate any problems based upon the plans.
Comments from the Public:
Barry Carlson of 1551 Raspberry Hill Road said he had lived there for six
years. His concern was the impact on neighborhood based on the litter in the
park from frisbee golf, and the streets being clogged. Cherokee and
Raspberry should be limited to residential parking.
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Nelson asked whether he had concerns directly related to phase 11 of the
project.
Carlson said he had a problem with the parking and increased traffic. He
expressed concern about utilization of dollars; as an example lifeguards are
not supplied for the area but$30,000 was delegated for disc golf.
Nelson asked whether Carlson had concerns with the bike trails.
Carlson said he had no problem with those. They don't bring in automobile
traffic.
Beth Timm of 11600 Raspberry Hill, said she understood Phase II was
going to be an expansion of frisbee golf that is why she was here. Raspberry
Hill is a double cul-de sac. There are 24 children under the age of 16, 20 are
under age 8. Signs on Raspberry Hill caused traffic to park on Cherokee
Trail. There is a lot of litter,broken beer bottles, glass bottles.
Kelly Lee, resident of 6677 Cherokee Trail W., for 10 years, said it became
worse when temporary signs went in. The parking problem began with
frisbee golf. She suggested permit parking only. The problem is now from
Shady Oak down Cherokee Trail West.
Corneille asked whether parking was being reviewed with phase II.
Uram said it was not part of phase II but everyone is aware of the concerns.
Nelson asked whether a frisbee golf expansion was being considered?
Franzen said it was not at this time.
Craig Andrews of 16706 Raspberry Hill, presented a picture of cars parking
in front of his property. He would like to hear a timeline for mitigation of
traffic and litter issues.
Uram said no one is breaking laws. This is a new issue for Hennepin
County. He suggested a meeting with Hennepin County, Public Works, and
Planning prior to presentation of phase II to the Council June 6'h.
Corneille reviewed the residents' concerns of litter,parking, noise, safety,
and overall impact on the neighborhood.
Franzen concurred staff could have a roundtable with public works, police,
and Hennepin Parks. He suggested Hennepin Parks present a mitigation
plan.
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Brady Roland, resident of Goldridge Drive, asked whether there was a phase
III planned.
Meyer said Phase II would involve development on the hill and a picnic site.
Roland asked whether it would be staffed properly and vegetation would be
cared for.
Clinton said he supports the Phase II plan.
Brooks concurred.
Nelson said shoreline setback variances are normally serious issues but a
148-foot setback should be ok.
Foote agreed phase 11 was a good idea. It will encourage youth participation
in the park. He would encourage mitigation of the parking situation prior to
presentation to the Council.
MOTION: by Clinton, seconded by Koenig, to close the public hearing.
Motion carried, 8-0.
MOTION: by Clinton, seconded by Nelson, to approve the PUD for Phase
II of Hennepin Parks Development in Bryant Lake Park with the waiver
specified as a shoreline setback of 148 feet for the restroom building; and
prior to issuance of building permits Hennepin Parks will present a plan to
mitigate the parking problem.
Motion carried, 8-0.
B. OAK PARKE 2'ADDITION (Cole Property) by Thompson Land
Development for Planned Unit Development Concept Amendment on 11.27
acres of the 162.4 acres of Eden Orchard PUD, Planned Unit Development
District Review with waivers on 11.27 acres, Zoning District Change from
Rural to RM-6.5 on 1.97 acres and from Rural to R1-13.5 on 1.66 acres, and
Preliminary Plat on 11.27 acres into 31 lots and 4 outlots. Location: 17251
Cedar Crest Drive.
Chair Corneille opened the Public Hearing at 8:00 p.m.
Franzen explained this was a small addition to Eden Orchard PUD with 259
single family units, 118 townhomes, 56 twin homes. This is a replatting to
add twin homes and a single family home. Council voted not to extend the
road to Cedar Crest Drive, so there will be only a trail and utilities.
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Lee Johnson of Thompson Land Development presented an overview of the
PUD as acted upon a year ago. The area not addressed then was a 40 foot
outlot for a trailway connection. The entrance was modified but will not add
traffic or units to Cedar Crest Drive. There is a conservation easement; the
developer is adding outlots to this. The single family lot is over 1 acre. This
platting is consistent with the neighborhood concept, and a good use of land.
Nelson questioned the amount of variance from the 24 foot requiement.
Johnson said the frontage was 46 feet for both units and a departure of less
than two feet.
Nelson asked whether the turnaround was large enough for a schoolbus.
Johnson said the cul de sac was standard residential design.
Gray said the cul de sac meets residential design radius of 90 feet and busses
and emergency vehicles could turn around.
Koenig asked about outlot D connecting to the existing outlot, and the
easement.
Johnson said outlot C would become a right of way for the City, and provide
future potential Cedar Crest extension. It is dedicated as a right of way. A
separate outlot piece will have utilities and a trailway connection; this will
be owned by the association; a separate legal entity.
Franzen said staff recommendation approval, changes should change to list
the exact waiver for each lot and Outlots B and D would be part of the
conservation easement.
A resident of 1719 Cedar Crest said she was next to Outlot D and expressed
concern about extending sewer and water to the existing home.
Johnson said as part of the final plat utilities and city service would be
extended.
MOTION: by Koenig, seconded by Nelson, to close the public hearing.
Motion carried 8-0.
MOTION: by Stoelting, seconded by Clinton, to recommend to Council
approval of the request based on staff recommendations as amended.
Motion carried 8-0.
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V. PUBLIC MEETING
VI. MEMBERS' REPORTS
Foote asked about the Lincoln Parc transition to U-shape and why the revision is
not coming back for Board review.
Franzen stated that the code allows staff to approve minor changes in approved
projects. With this project, the number of units did not change, only the
architecture. The changes were consistent with direction from the Planning Board
to look at ways to add more detail to the building and break up the long view of
the building. Franzen also talked about the administrative approval of Champps
which met City Code. The building size did not change and parking met code
but the demand exceeds parking.
Clinton noted that the problem with Champps was determining parking space by
seating and perhaps the bar area was not considered.
VII. CONTINUING BUSINESS
VIII. NEW BUSINESS
IX. PLANNERS' REPORTS
X. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: by Foote, seconded by Nelson, to adjourn.
Motion carried 8-0. The meeting adjourned at 8:45 p.m.