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Planning Commission - 11/13/2001 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE COMMUNITY PLANNING BOARD MONDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2001 7:00 P.M., CITY CENTER Council Chambers 8080 Mitchell Road BOARD MEMBERS: Ken Brooks, Frantz Corneille, Randy Foote, Vicki Koenig, Kathy Nelson, Fred Seymour, Paul Sodt, Susan Stock, Ray Stoelting STAFF MEMBERS: Mike Franzen, City Planner Stu Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources Alan Gray, City Engineer I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL Vice-Chair Stoelting called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Present: Vice-Chair Stoelting, Commissioners Brooks, Foote, Koenig, Seymour, Sodt, and Nelson. Absent: Chair Corneille and Commissioner Stock II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Motion by Sodt, second by Nelson to approve the agenda. Motion carried, 7-0. Franzen noted that because of the times published with the public hearing notices, items 4 B and 4 C would be transposed in the order of the agenda. III. MINUTES A. Minutes of the October 8, 2001 Community Planning Board Workshop Foote stated his comment on page four regarding airport noise should read, "Airplane noise is a problem city-wide." Motion by Nelson, second by Foote to approve the October 8, 2001 Community Planning Board workshop minutes as amended. Motion carried, 6-1-0, abstention Koenig. B. Minutes of the October 8, 2001 Community Planning Board Meeting Sodt stated on page five lines four and five should be reworded. He asked that the recording secretary rework the language in this paragraph. Community Planning Board Minutes November 13, 2001 Page 2 Motion by Sodt, second by Foote to approve the minutes of the October 8, 2001 Community Planning Board Meeting as amended. Motion carried, 6-1-0, abstention Koenig. Franzen stated the language was part of the staff report. IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. SHADY VIEW ADDITION by First Industrial L.P. Request for Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 5.14 acres, Planned Unit Development District Review with waivers on 5.14 acres, Zoning District Amendment within the I-2 Zoning District on 5.14 acres, and Preliminary Plat o 5.14 acres into 2 lots. Location: 7152-7198 Shady Oak The public hearing opened at 7:10 p.m. Franzen stated the property is guided Industrial and zoned I-2, Industrial Park. It is part of the LeParc Plat approved in 1979, located at the northwest corner of Shady Oak Road and Valley View Road. Surrounding uses are zoned I-2 or I-5 and guided Industrial. The plat shows subdivision of 5.14 acres into two lots which meet the dimensional and square footage requirements for I-2 Zoning. Zero lot line to parking and base area ratios are requested. Waivers should be granted because the base area ratio for both lots is .30 and meets City Code, waivers do not increase development of the property and are considered minor. Staff recommends approval. There was no public comment. The public hearing closed at 7:12 p.m. Foote inquired whether the Traffic Demand Management (TDM) plan was the standard for the Golden Triangle or modified. Franzen stated it is standard for new office, industrial, or additions to existing buildings or plats. The number of employees determines the precise TDM requirements. Sodt asked about the encroachment of the retaining wall. Franzen stated it would have no effect on City approval. It is a private issue between property owners. Motion by Nelson , second by Koenig to approve the Shady View Addition by First Industrial L.P. Request for Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 5.14 acres, Planned Unit Development District Review with waivers on 5.14 acres, Zoning District Amendment within the I-2 Zoning District on 5.14 acres, Community Planning Board Minutes November 13, 2001 Page 3 and Preliminary Plat o 5.14 acres into 2 lots. Location: 7152-7198 Shady Oak based on plans dated November 7, 2001 and recommendations in the staff repot. Motion carried, 7-0. B. HENNEPIN VILLAGE by the Pemtom Land Company. Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from Office to Medium Density Residential on 17.7 acres, from Office to Neighborhood Commercial on 4.5 acres, and from Medium Density Residential on 17.7 acres, from Office to Neighborhood Commercial on 4.5 acres, and from Medium Density Residential to Office on .7 acres, Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 249 acres, Planned Unit Development District REview with waivers on 28.3 acres, Zoning District Change from rura to R1-9.5 on 10.3 acres and from rural to RM-6.5 on 18 acres, Site Plan Review in the RM-6.5 District on 18 acres, and PReliminary Plat on 28.5 acres into 125 lots and 2 outlots. Location: South of Flying Cloud Airport, east of Spring Road. The public hearing opened at 7:15 p.m. Dan Herbst of Pemtom Land Company introduced Janet and David Brown landowners, Brett and Tracy Hope, property managers for over 20 years, Cory Meyer landscape architect/planner, and Dwight Jellie, engineer. Pemtom discussed historical information regarding the 1852 plat which was the basis for Hennepin Village. Simple, functional farmstead architecture will be incorporated. Four sites, A, B, C, and D will be developed. The City owns 57 acres in the area. A collector road will run from Eden Prairie to Spring Road. There is a substantial amount of open space, 71 acres. A sidewalk system of 4.28 miles will interconnect the development along with 4.9 miles of trail. Site A will contain single family detached and townhomes; Site B will have single family detached, carriage homes, and walkout townhomes; Site C and D will have these three and also contain woodland townhomes. Single family homes on the east will provide screening from existing homes on the west side of Eden Prairie Road. Entrance monuments will be provided containing Chaska brick, limestone, and fieldstone. Site B's community green is 400 feet long. A community building and swimming pool will be adjacent. Walkout townhomes will have prairie style architecture but have garages in front. Carriage homes will have garages to the rear and 3 stories. Porches, landscape elements, and sidewalks are part of the neighborhood designs. In addition to the concept plan, they are requesting site A approval. Site A looks over Riley Creek valley. An overlook will be incorporated. The most significant guide plan change is the open space increase. A crossover road can be done at the developers expense. The increase in park fees will benefit the city. Community Planning Board Minutes November 13, 2001 Page 4 Franzen stated in addition to the historical information, the zoning code and comprehensive plan were used by staff to form its recommendation. Staff does not recommend approval of site C, 17 acres overall. Changing commercial to residential could impact the City's negotiations with the airport. Other reasonsns are no affordable housing are included in the project. There are 22 conditions for approval in the staff report. These conditions will need to be incorporated in their final documents. Item#21 addresses the number of housing units on b, c, and d in the future. The concept plan addresses only capacity for the property. Commercial development qualifiers are a detailed plan and traffic. The commercial has 3,500 more daily trips per day over the cap for the area and would need to be made smaller or road improvements would need to be made and paid for by the developer. Three options: approval with conditions, continuance, and denial are offered. Dean Edstrom 10153 Eden Prairie Road, disagreed that density transfer should be used in this instance. There are many natural areas. Instead of this density he would prefer a 5 acre minimum lot sizes. There are safety concerns with the location of the airport in addition to the noise. Density in the area increases the possibility of problems with safety. He asked whether MAC would favor this type of density in this area. Jeff Strate, 15210 Summerhill Drive said he was part of the task force for the Prairie Bluff Preservation Area. He asked whether the gazebo in site A would be open to the public. The board should consider the impact of the development on the conservation of the area. The plan looks good but they should be careful on what goes next to a conservation district. Dennis Davey 9900 Spring Road, met with staff but has just seen the plan today. The green space is good. Along Spring Road there are NURP ponds or some type of waterway. It is a dry ravine right now. He questioned whether sidewalks and trails were being guided by the Parks Department or the developer. Chris Johnson of 9700 Eden Prairie Road inquired whether there would be matching walkway/trailway on the west side of Eden Prairie Road. He inquired about interference of the main road to residential area with car lights shining into windows. The houses are too close together. Colleen Fitzgerald, Eden Prairie Road and Beverly Drive, inquired whether the green space was permanent. They are across from site B. She inquired about snow removal for the site. Chris Johnson inquired whether trails and sidewalks were city or developer property. He asked about possible assessments. Community Planning Board Minutes November 13, 2001 Page 5 Joseph Watson, Spring Road, said they were not on the mailing list. He asked about sewer and water. He is concerned with runoff and with Miller Spring. Dan Herbst of Pemtom stated there was a public trail along the road. The sidewalks and gazebo are private. Fox stated the Prairie Bluff Conservation Area did have a management plan. Any development of sites C or D should comply with the plan, including drainage and limiting access. A trail head is recommended on site C with public parking and a gateway. Franzen said item 18 in the staff report addresses drainage going into internal streets so no runoff collects on park property. Dwight Jellie said there was a series of natural ravines along Spring Road. They are proposing some dams at 8-12 feet to slow the water. It is currently sand and gravel. NURP ponds will provide filtering. Herbst said trails would connect and would be public. Sidewalks are private. Gray said a feasiblity study for Eden Prairie Road between Riley Creek and existing 212 was being completed. They anticipate future residential development and assume in the long run trails and sidewalks would be on each side of the roadway. Franzen stated as part of the developers agreement the open space would be dedicated to the city. The City owns it and only Council could sell it or put it to another use. Gray said homeowners associations are responsible for snow removal in private developments. Gray stated allocation of assessable costs would be a per unit basis and therefore density transfer would not affect assessments. Franzen stated Davies and Watson were not part of the mailing list received from the County. They will add them to the list. Gray stated notification for public hearings may be different than notification for assessments. Fox said the green space north of Miller Spring would become public and there would be no development around it. Community Planning Board Minutes November 13, 2001 Page 6 Brooks asked Franzen about site C and the City's position with MAC. Franzen stated in 1998 most of the land near the airport was low density residential and open space. MAC attended public hearings and stated they were opposed to any residential in the area. The City approved a guide plan change which shifted around the housing in the area and used office transition between low density and the airport. The change was approved by the Met Council. This development would add 90 units to the area. City Council must act on the project before the Met Council looks at it, and it must be approved by the Met Council in order to go forward. More housing may not be in compliance with the aviation chapter of the Met Council. It would be difficult for the City to say on one hand 90 more houses are acceptable near the airport after already stating the airport impacts existing and future homes and then ask MAC, for example, to impose noise restrictions. Sodt asked whether it was proximity of airport or total units that would matter to the Met Council. Franzen stated it is both. The additional units in the area are not in a safety or noise zone. Nelson said the width of lots in A were requested to go to 70 feet from 36 feet. Also with a 5 foot sideyard and 10 foot frontyard/backyard setback these lots are very narrow. Herbst stated the lots are 36 feet wide. Shrubbery will go around the home. The only place is 10 foot between garages and 14 feet between houses. These homes will start at$240,000. Sodt inquired whether he had considered a 40 or 45 foot width. Herbst said it would considerably cut the density and number of homes and drive up the price. Koenig stated in the developer's letter he mentioned a berm. She assumed it would be between residential on C & D and city park property. Herbst said the berm was designed so that a large rise would screen homes from the airport for safety and sound. A berm on site C defines public and private space. Koenig asked whether the berm would be landscaped. Herbst said it would be landscaped. Community Planning Board Minutes November 13, 2001 Page 7 Koenig stated she would like a monument stating it was a conservation easement. She inquired about how the burning practice would affect the residential area. Fox said they would continue to use burning as a management tool but would be sensitive to wind conditions. A management plan is on file for viewing. Herbst noted it could be part of the disclosure statement. The airport, expansion, and upgrades would be included as well. Brooks asked whether there were the same number of units 6 weeks ago and density per acre. How much more than the guide plan. Franzen said the unit count is the same and the density was 4 units per acre overall. Site B takes 2.5 units per acre and concentrates it into 22 acres making 8 units per acre. The flood plain, wetland, and creek are the only non -developable areas. Motion by Koenig, second by Nelson to close the public hearing. Motion carried, 7-0. The public hearing closed at 9:00 p.m.. Brooks expressed concern with site C and possible future issues with MAC. He is comfortable with the guide plan change of office to commercial and residential to office. He understands neighbors' concern with density. He is in favor of the project other than site C. Nelson concurs with Brooks regarding site C, and questions it being changed to residential. Because of the proximity to the airport, it is a good idea not to change the land use. She has come concerns with A and B setbacks. She does not object to the density but the narrowness of the setbacks. The houses are too close, there are too little green space and trees, and the price point is not low enough. Seymour concurs with the idea of site C not being approved. Overall the project looks good. There is land use balance and he is not concerned with the density. He likes the neighborhood commercial and transit stop possibilities. Koenig liked the neighborhood commercial concept but it will generate additional traffic. Franzen said for this area, neighborhood commercial makes sense; the question is how much. The staff report suggests road improvements as mitigation for the size proposed. Community Planning Board Minutes November 13, 2001 Page 8 Koenig said it appears traffic will cause problems in the area even after upgrades. Gray said studies indicate a mixed use. The overall level of development will stay within the traffic pattern. The limiting factor becomes regional facilities. Koenig said she did not have a problem with the lot size because of the tradeoff with the green space. Would this project cause this type of density west of Eden Prairie Road? Franzen said each project would be considered individually. There is not an area of 250 acres left where such open space could be amassed. The reason for granting the net density is on the basis of 71 acres of open space.. Sodt said he liked the village concept. He hoped lot width concerns would be addressed; he is concerned with increased traffic with the addition of commercial. Traffic concerns should be addressed. He would support staff recommendations regarding site C. Foote stated he was pleased with the plan overall and would concur with the staff report. A, B, and D density would be addressed when specific plans were drawn. He likes the open space and neighborhood commercial. He is concerned with sideyard setbacks but would go along with waivers to maintain the price point. He would like to see current proposed price points retained with the approval of these waivers. Stoelting said it was a good concept; he had concerns with site C, liked the neighborhood commercial and was unconcerned about the land use change for the .7 acres. Franzen said it appears that no one wants to change the land use from office to residential, and everyone likes the PUD except for site C. He recommended each request be made as a separate motion in order to send an accurate and clear message to the City Council. Motion by Nelson, second by Brooks to recommend for approval the Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from Office to Neighborhood Commercial on 4.5 acres and Medium Density Residential to Office on .7 acres. Motion carried, 7-0. Motion by Seymour, second by Koenig to recommend denial of a Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from Office to Medium Density Residential on 17.7 acres. Motion carried, 7-0. Community Planning Board Minutes November 13, 2001 Page 9 Motion by Brooks, second by Nelson to recommend for approval of the PUD concept review on 249 acres with the exception of 17.7 acres in site C which should remain office, subject to the conditions listed in the staff report. Brooks asked whether the conditions were acceptable to the developer. Franzen said the board would have to reopen up the hearing. Stoelting asked if the staff report conditions are standard or typical of PUDs. Franzen stated the conditions are based upon city policies, procedures, and ordinances. Koenig said the Standal property was not included in the continuation of the berm. She would like to add as an amendment a significant berm where City park property abuts developing property. Motion by Koenig, second by Sodt to amend the Motion approving the PUD concept review on 249 acres to include the condition of a significant berm where City park property abuts developing property. Motion carried on the amendment, 7-0. Stoelting called the question on the original Motion. Motion carried, 7-0. Motion by Brooks second by Koenig to recommend for approval the PUD review with waivers on 28.3 acres. Motion by Nelson, second by Sodt to amend the Motion to delete the waiver of a sideyard setback from 5 foot minimum and 10 total and require a 5 foot minimum and 15 feet total. Amended Motion failed, 2-5 by roll-call vote: Brooks, nay; Foote, nay; Koenig, nay; Seymour, nay; Sodt, aye; Stoelting, nay; Nelson, aye. Stoelting called the question on the original Motion. Motion carried, 6-1, nay Nelson. Motion by Brooks, second by Foote to recommend approval of a Zoning District Change from Rural to R1 9.5 on 10.3 acres and Rural to RM-6.5 on 18 acres. Motion carried, 7-0. Motion by Brooks, second by Foote to recommend for approval the Site Plan Review in the RM -6.5 District on 18 acres. Motion carried 7-0. Motion by Brooks, second by Foote to recommend for approval the Preliminary Plat on 28.15 acres into 125 lots and 2 outlots. Motion carried, 7-0. Community Planning Board Minutes November 13, 2001 Page 10 C. CHARLSON, BROWN AND STANDAL AUAR by Charlson, Brown, and Standal. This is a comprehensive review of drainage, wetland, traffic, water quality, and historic, cultural and natural resources on 318 acres of land. The public hearing opened at 10:00 p.m. Franzen stated the Alternative Urban Areawide Review (AUAR) is an environmental review to consider an overall development scenario for a large site, rather than incremental impacts of individual projects or phases of one large project over a period of time. this is a comprehensive review of traffic, drainage, wetland, water quality, historic, cultural ad natural resources. It is distributed to local, state, and federal agencies to identify any environmental protection measures. The AUAR contains a mitigation plan to provide reviewers or purchasers of land with an understanding of the actions necessary to protect the environment and limit the proposed impacts. Many impacts are associated with improvements that would be required by the City for any project such as stormwater treatment ponds, road construction, and extension of sewer and water. The 318 acres is guided a mixture of land uses. The environmental review assesses impacts based on the Comprehensive Plan. There is a dual guide plan designation over a portion of the property. The document is shipped to 50 different agencies for comment. The US Fish and Wildlife Service addressed Grass Lake. The DNR made comments about rare and endangered species - cat tails and gopher snakes. There are ten pages of mitigation. Staff recommends approval. Dean Edstrom 10153 Eden Prairie Road said his concern is transportation on Eden Prairie Road. He would like to see heavier traffic directed down to Spring Road. Brooks asked about the timing of the road coming across. Franzen noted the traffic analysis address the realignment of Eden Prairie Road which should happen next year. The Hennepin Village crossover road would be built with development. Motion by Brooks, second by Nelson to close the public hearing. Motion carried, 7-0. The public hearing closed at 10:06 p.m. Motion by Brooks, second by Seymour to recommend to Council for adoption the AUAR by Charlson, Brown, and Standal. Motion carried, 7-0. Community Planning Board Minutes November 13, 2001 Page 11 V. PUBLIC MEETING VI. MEMBER'S REPORTS VII. CONTINUING BUSINESS Foote inquired whether they had constructed a fence along the Debono property. Gray stated he has not checked to see if it is in, but they stated it would be in by mid- November. VIII. NEW BUSINESS IX. PLANNERS' REPORT A. Comprehensive Guide Plan Workshop Summary Report Stoelting stated this item would be continued to the next meeting. Franzen stated the next meeting would be November 26t. X. ADJOURN Motion by Koenig, second by Seymour to adjourn. The meeting adjourned at 10:1lp.m.