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Planning Commission - 08/27/2001 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE COMMUNITY PLANNING BOARD MONDAY,AUGUST 27, 2001 7:30 P.M., CITY CENTER Council Chambers 8080 Mitchell Road BOARD MEMBERS: Ken Brooks, Frantz Corneille, Randy Foote, Vicki Koenig, Kathy Nelson, Fred Seymour, Paul Sodt, Susan Stock, Ray Stoelting STAFF MEMBERS: Stu Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources Mike Franzen, City Planner Alan Gray, City Engineer Scott Kipp, Senior Planner Leslie Stovring, Environmental Coordinator Donald Uram, Community Development/Financial Services Director I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL Corneille called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. Present: Commissioners Brooks, Corneille, Foote, Koenig, Nelson, Seymour, Sodt, Stock, Stoelting. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Motion by Stock, second by Stoelting to approve the agenda. Motion carried, 9-0 0. III. MINUTES A. Minutes of the August 13, 2001 Community Planning Board Koenig noted the sentence where she asked whether there would be a parcel that would not be impacted environmentally should be stricken. Motion by Brooks, second by Stock, to approve the minutes as amended. Motion carried, 9-0. B. Minutes of the August 13, 2001 Community Planning Board Workshop Motion by Brooks, second by Nelson to approve the minutes of the August 13, 2001 Community Planning Board Workshop. Motion carried, 7-2-0, abstentions Sodt, Koenig. Community Planning Board Minutes August 27, 2001 Page 2 IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. BFI ADDITION by BFI. Request for Zoning District Amendment within the I-2 Zoning District on 22 acres and Site Plan Review on 22 acres. Location: 9813 Flying Cloud Drive. Corneille noted the City had received a letter from BFI withdrawing their request. Motion by Stoelting, second by Brooks to accept the letter of withdrawal. Motion carried, 9-0. B. GRAY FOX BLUFF by Kathryn Slavens. Request for Preliminary Plat of 47.03 acres into 3 lots. Location: 15598 Michele Lane The public hearing opened at 7:35 p.m. Kathryn Slavens stated her father had owned the property since 1952, and found it necessary to subdivide and sell off part of the acreage. The property would be divided into three lots of 10+ acres, maintaining rural zoning, with one house per lot. Boundaries are based upon a 1997 survey. Changes proposed in the staff report may encroach on the existing lot and home. She conducted a neighborhood meeting; all three neighborhoods attended the meeting. Kipp said the plat meets minimum lot requirements and dimensions. Staff is asking for revisions to the plan, including extending the conservation easement to provide access and amending rights of way to allow flexibility in building cul-de-sacs. Nelson asked why they would subdivide it now rather than wait until they had a development plan. Kipp stated it was three tracts and they wanted to sell them independently; selling it to one developer could be problematic. A developer agreement should be entered into before any development or further subdivision. Stoelting asked whether the conservation easement was in dispute. Kipp stated their wetland delineation was a few years old; this will be updated at the time of development or purchase. Property within the areas is shown as public open space. There is no access. Stock asked why there would be a cul-de-sac into the property. Community Planning Board Minutes August 27, 2001 Page 3 Gray stated they would be dedicating right-of-way for future cul-de-sacs. If the subdivision occurs now there should be a provision for a possible cul-de-sac. It will require substantial grading. Foote said according to the staff report in attachment B it covers the wetland buffer and public open space. He asked what it would look like with the survey. Kipp showed a map depicting the wetland delineation. The three parcels are isolated from each other. Staff is recommending three pieces be included. Corneille asked Slavens for clarification regarding encroachment. Slavens noted on attachment A, a new drawing of the cul-de-sac takes out the corner of her father's house. Kipp stated the right-of-way could be adjusted so there was no encroachment on the house. Kim Voss, 15900 N Hillcrest Court, lives near this development, inquired whether the City would consider acquiring space for preservation. Foote stated a conservation easement would preserve the wetland and open space along the creek. Fox said when a park plan was developed, adjacent property use was considered as well as how it fits into an overall park plan. There is no direct connection to this without impacting the wetland, and the City would not acquire property they may receive in the future through platting. There is not a need for wooded hill areas. They would be difficult to fit into the plan. The lower area will be preserved regardless. Rebecca Brown 6855 Alpine Trail, expressed concern about wildlife in that area, which will have no where else to go. Fox said the Edenvale conservation area has 120 acres for wildlife, which is directly south of this site. Nelson Berg, Attorney for Slaven, said it may be appropriate to modify the layout of the cul-de-sac. This will be provided for in the agreement. The location of the northerly line of the easement follows open space designation. Open space designation should not intrude into property that has private use. There are setback requirements. Franzen said conservation easements over wetlands include wetland buffers. Brooks asked how many acres this would affect. Community Planning Board Minutes August 27, 2001 Page 4 Kipp stated it would be an additional 15 feet of perimeter around the wetland. Corneille noted staff and the proponent could work together. Motion by Nelson, second by Koenig to close the public hearing. Motion carried, 9- 0. The public hearing closed at 8:00 p.m. Motion by Stoelting, second by Stock to approve Gray Fox Bluff by Kathryn Slavens request for Preliminary Plat of 47.03 acres into three lots located at 15598 Michele Lane. Motion carried, 9-0. C. THE PINES I by the Pines I, LLC. Request for Planned Unit Development Concept Amendment on 5.17 acres, Planned Unit Development District Review with waivers on 5.17 acres, Zoning District Amendment within the RM-6.5 Zoning District on 5.17 acres, Site Plan Review on 5.17 acres, and Preliminary Plat of 5.17 acres into 28 lots. Location: Southwest corner of Pioneer Trail and Settlement Drive. The public hearing opened at 8:02 p.m. Steve Kroiss, proponent, met with the neighbors. Plans call for 28 units on 5 plus acres; prices are $250,000 - $390,000. There are eight 3-unit and two 2-unit buildings. The exterior consists of stone wainscoting, stone pillars and wood columns, covered open porch, garage details, and concrete based siding. Franzen noted staff recommends approval. There were no public comments. Corneille summarized the wetland setback and lot depth waivers. Nelson stated she did not see how the road would accommodate a school bus or emergency vehicles. Franzen explained the Fire Marshall reviews all plans and makes recommendations. There is a turnaround. It meets the requirements for fire access. School buses do not enter; they would be on the main access road. Stoelting inquired where the overflow parking would be located. Gray said all of the driveways meet the city requirement. There is overflow parking along Pines Way and at the end of the units. Community Planning Board Minutes August 27, 2001 Page 5 Stoelting asked how this compared with the original plan for 28 units. Stoelting inquired about the original plan waivers. Franzen said they were for lot size and setback. When originally approved, the City did not have a wetland ordinance. Stoelting asked about the boundary of the existing wetland. Franzen stated it was approved for fill and mitigated as part of Settlers Ridge. Koenig inquired whether changing the wetland setback from 15 to 5 feet meant a 5 foot buffer between the building and wetland. Franzen said there will still be a wetland buffer of 15 feet, with a total of 20 feet from the building to the edge of the wetland. Stoelting asked whether the units backed up to the easement would have a vegetation buffer between homes. Kroiss stated pine trees will be put in on the line between buildings. Nelson inquired about the size of the shortest lot. Franzen said 76 feet. Lots 1-8 are 86 feet; 9-14 are 88 feet. Koenig inquired whether monuments would be installed near the wetland as part of wetland protection, so people don't mow in the area. Franzen stated as part of ordinance they have to provide signs. Koenig noted they have a lot of conifers but few deciduous trees. Koenig asked if the landscaping is mainly conifers and Lindens. Fox said it is mostly pines, some deciduous. Motion by Stock, second by Foote to close the public hearing. Motion carried, 9-0. The hearing closed at 8:20 p.m.. Motion by Stock, second by Foote to approve The Pines I by the Pines I, LLC. Request for Planned Unit Development Concept Amendment on 5.17 acres, Planned Unit Development District Review with waivers on 5.17 acres, Zoning District Amendment within the RM-6.5 Zoning District on 5.17 acres, Site Plan Review on Community Planning Board Minutes August 27, 2001 Page 6 5.17 acres, and Preliminary Plat of 5.17 acres into 28 lots. Location: Southwest corner of Pioneer Trail and Settlement Drive based on plans dated August 17, 2001 and recommendations in the staff report dated August 24, 2001. Motion carried, 9- 1, nay Nelson. Koenig inquired about the market for these units. Kroiss said mostly empty nesters,but also many single professional women. V. PUBLIC MEETING VI. MEMBERS' REPORTS VII. CONTINUING BUSINESS VIII. NEW BUSINESS IX. PLANNERS REPORTS A. Comprehensive Guide Plan Update Workshop Franzen explained there was a modification of the schedule and the Planning Board should adopt the new schedule. Stoelting said October 9 is a Tuesday and so is October 23ra Franzen said the dates should be the 8h and 22na Motion by Stock, second by Koenig to adopt the new workshop schedule. Motion carried, 9-0. X. ADJOURNMENT Motion by Koenig, second by Stoelting, to adjourn. Motion carried, 9-0. The meeting adjourned at 8:30 p.m.