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Planning Commission - 08/12/2002 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE COMMUNITY PLANNING BOARD MONDAY,AUGUST 12, 2002 7:00 P.M., CITY CENTER Council Chambers 8080 Mitchell Road BOARD MEMBERS: Ken Brooks, Frantz Corneille, Randy Foote, Vicki Koenig, Fred Seymour, Kathy Nelson, Dave Steppat, Ray Stoelting, Paul Sodt. STAFF MEMBERS: Stu Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources Alan Gray, City Engineer Mike Franzen, City Planner I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE—ROLL CALL Chair Corneille called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Present: Chair Corneille, Commissioners Foote, Koenig, Nelson, Stoelting, Seymour, and Steppat. Absent: Randy Foote II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION by Nelson, seconded by Seymour to approve the August 12, 2002, Community Planning Board Agenda. Motion carried, 8-0. III. MINUTES A. MINUTES OF THE JULY 22, 2002 COMMUNITY PLANNING BOARD MEETING Steppat noted a change to page 3, the 5h paragraph "as" should be changed to "asked". MOTION by Koenig, second by Stoelting to approve the minutes of the July 22, 2002, Community Planning Board minutes as amended. Motion carried, 7-0-1, abstention Sodt. IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. RIVER VIEW BY WOODDALE BUILDERS Dwight Jelle, Westwood Professional Services, reviewed the history of the site. The new plan is for a high-end development. Wooddale Builders will be the sole Community Planning Board Minutes August 12, 2002 Page 2 builder and developer on the property. Waivers help to preserve the trees; the frontage waivers would allow elimination of the cul de sac and less impervious surface would be needed. Franzen summarized the staff report. The current plan follows direction given by the Planning Commission in 1999, to lessen environmental impacts. The current plan is to rezone 18.07 acres of the property and develop 29 R1-13.5 single family lots served by a public road. Outlots A and B will remain rural. Staff recommends approval with one change; a 150-foot wide outlot along the southern portion of the river for future trails. The public hearing opened at 7:17 p.m. Tony Phillippi, 10300 Riverview Road, who owns a 25-acre home site to the east of this property, complimented the developers for the work on this project. He inquired whether outlot B could have a scenic easement and whether the stormwater drainage could be collected to the street before going downhill. Most homes are taking the stormwater to Riverview; he questioned whether this would be adequate. Franzen explained outlot B is left zoned rural. No building can occur until a rezoning of the property through a public process. The site is limited by steep slopes, trees, setbacks and availability of sewer and water. Gray explained there are two separate storm water systems. There is a minor system serving homes that back up to the bluff which really serves the drainage from the rear of the roofs and rear of the lots. A structural storm sewer will convey this to the floodplain level so that erosion would not take place. The primary system drains to a pond, which will serve a 100 year storm event and provide filtering. It currently serves approximately ten acres. Stormwater will outlet through the pond; peak flow will be managed. Susanna Fowler, 10315 Riverview Road, is concerned with erosion. Her property adjoins the proposed development. She questioned the developer's course of action should they encounter Indian burial grounds. She was not aware of a proposed trail. Her land is in a conservation easement; she questioned how a trail could be put through it. Jelle noted they had identified a potential mound area; it will be included in a conservation easement and the potential mound area as well as the area adjacent will be monitored during construction. Fox noted the Minnesota River Corridor was identified as a trail link. They would have to work with the property owner and US Fisheries and Wildlife. Community Planning Board Minutes August 12, 2002 Page 3 Ed Schlamp, 10901 Riverview Road, questioned the NURP pond and where the water would go following a 100-year event. If it overflows it will cause erosion. Gray stated it would flow into the street if it overflowed; it would need to rise over two feet above the 100-year flood level. It would be a small volume which would hit the Minnesota River Bluff and if this occurred it is a possibility some erosion may occur. Minor overflow could go into the second system. Wolfgang Schroeder, 10584 Boss Circle, asked about changes in Riverview Road plans. Gray stated the alignment of Riverview Road has been developed with the neighborhood; it will not change very much. Joe Swanson, 10425 Purdy Road, stated he lives across the street from the development. There is poor drainage in Bell Oaks. He wants to ensure drainage is adequate. Nelson questioned whether the development was open for custom homes which might not fit the footprints, whether this would be a gated community, and expressed concern regarding the steepness of lots and whether soil sampling had been completed. She does not approve of a 25 foot setback. The homes will look to close to the street. Steve Schwieters, Woodland Builders, noted footprints were plans for the floor, not elevations. They have done many upscale single-family homes. The footprints were sizes they felt would fit the lot size. It will not be a gated community. Gray noted a secondary storm sewer and a retaining wall are part of the grading of the subdivision. Water will not run over or around it. Rear lots will drain through intakes and be routed around the bluff. Fox stated there was a significant tree mass positively affected by the 25 foot setback. Rear yard storm drainage and retaining walls will need to go in. There is a conservation easement. Jelle noted not all garage doors would face the street; the corner of the garage would be at the 25 foot zone so the house could be pulled farther from the trees. Steppat inquired about the process should human remains be recovered and how the developer would ensure the stability of the retaining walls. Franzen explained State Archeologist would be on the site. The area identified as a potential burial ground will be staked off. Should human remains be Community Planning Board Minutes August 12, 2002 Page 4 encountered during construction, all work would stop until it was investigated. This is a federal law. Jelle stated a structural engineer would design and review the retaining wall; it would be inspected and a geo-technical company would inspect and test it as well. Stoelting inquired about the rear-yard distance from the retaining wall and the reason for the 10-foot easement behind the wall. He inquired about the variances for lot foot frontage. Jelle explained the worst case would be a 30-foot distance from the structure to the wall, with a conservation easement behind it. The ten feet would allow a distance for construction and maintenance. Originally they considered a cul de sac; the large pavement area and maintenance were concerns, so they wished to consider frontage waivers instead. Sodt expressed concern about building over the hill and whether this was a concern several years ago. Franzen stated a plan in 1999 showed buildings 100 feet further down the slope. Koenig inquired whether the building began where the land started sloping, and whether most land on the river would stay in the conservation easement. She asked about the Fowler property and its size. This plan is an improvement over previous plans; it fits well with the community. She is concerned about drainage. She inquired about closeness of the development to the adjacent property owner. Jelle noted this was correct; buildings begin where the land slopes. He showed proposed screening, fencing, and monuments. Fowler stated her property was 22 acres and most was in land trust. Gray stated there was a significant difference between this development and Bell Oaks, which has no pond and no rear yard storm sewer. Wesley Sund, 1097 Purdy Road, noted those living in Bell Oaks were concerned about Outlot B and inquired why they would not make it scenic easement. Steve Schwieters, Woodland Builders, noted the builders did not purchase Outlot B. It was not part of this plat. If they did choose to develop it they would need to go through the normal approval process. Franzen noted the outlot was not being used in the calculation of the project's density or for tree loss. Community Planning Board Minutes August 12, 2002 Page 5 Loretta Swanson asked for clarification that her soil would not be further eroded and she would like to see elevations of the new development. Gray stated the new storm sewer intercepts drainage. If the property develops as presented, it will not drain toward the Swanson property but to the storm sewer. The area draining to the Swanson property would be reduced. Anita Phillippi, 10300 Riverview Road, expressed concern about the drainage. As it drains now it runs down the road and causes erosion. Gray explained this road has never been served by storm sewer. Storm sewers will be put in; the part with poor drainage is a rural section that will be re-graded to an urban section and curb and gutter, catch basins and intakes will be added. Wolfgang Schroeder stated he would like Riverview Road to be preserved; this is the best plan they have seen. It would not make sense to build anything on Outlot B. MOTION by Stoelting, second by Steppat to close the public hearing. Motion carried, 8-0. The public hearing closed at 8:05 p.m. Stoelting expressed approval at the way the neighbors had remained involved in this project and the way the developer had worked on it. This is an exciting plan. Sodt stated the waivers were justified and he had faith in the engineers and that proper drainage would be in place. MOTION by Stoelting, second by Koenig to approve River View by Wooddale Builders Request for Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 34.73 acres; Planned Unit Development District Review with waivers on 34.73 acres; Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 18.07 acres; and Preliminary Plat on 34.73 acres into 29 single family lots, 4 outlots, and road right-of-way located South of Riverview Road at Parker Drive based on the recommendations in the staff report and plans dated August 9, 2002. Motion carried, 8-0. IV. MEMBERS' REPORTS Sodt mentioned he heard a talk on housing issues wherein affordable housing would be a major issue facing business in this decade. Compactness and density are a consideration; enough affordable housing exists in the state but in the wrong places. Affordable housing should remain a concern of the board as well as work-live housing to help mitigate transportation issues. Community Planning Board Minutes August 12, 2002 Page 6 V. CONTINUING BUSINESS VI. NEW BUSINESS Stoelting inquired about an upcoming meeting regarding the Golden Triangle. Franzen explained a consultant would show three concept plans that would help reduce traffic in the area. It will take place at 7:00 p.m. on August 22t. VII. PLANNERS' REPORTS Franzen noted one item, a change in plans from medical office to a skilled nursing facility, would be considered at the next meeting. VIII. ADJOURNMENT MOTION by Stoelting, second by Steppat, to adjourn. Motion carried, 8-0. The meeting adjourned at 8:15 p.m.