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Planning Commission - 04/22/2002 APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE COMMUNITY PLANNING BOARD MONDAY,APRIL 22, 2002 7:00 P.M., CITY CENTER Council Chambers 8080 Mitchell Road BOARD MEMBERS: Ken Brooks, Frantz Corneille, Randy Foote, Vicki Koenig, Kathy Nelson, Fred Seymour, Paul Sodt, Dave Steppat, Ray Stoelting STAFF MEMBERS: Stu Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources Alan Gray, City Engineer Scott Kipp, Senior Planner Danette Moore, Planner Kirsten Oden, Recording Secretary I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE—ROLL CALL Chair Corneille called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. present: Chair Corneille, Commissioners Brooks, Foote, Koenig, Nelson, Stoelting, Sodt, and Stock. Absent: Seymour. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION by Brooks, second by Nelson to approve the agenda for the April 22, 2002 Community Planning Board Meeting. Motion carried 6-0. III. MINUTES A. Minutes of the April 8, 2002 Community Planning Board Meeting MOTION: Brooks, second by Koenig to approve the minutes of the April 8, 2002 Community Planning Board meeting. Motion carried, 4-2-0, abstentions Nelson and Seymour. IV. PUBLIC MEETINGS V. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. STONEGATE BY Carlston Inc. Request for: Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 28.83 acres, Planned Unit Development District Review with waivers on 28.82 acres, Zoning District Change fro m rural to R1-13.5 on 26.2 acres, and Preliminary Plat on 28.82 acres into 46 lots, 1 outlot, and road right-of-way. Locution: South of Pioneer Trail west of Stable Path. Community Planning Board Minutes April 22, 2002 Page 2 The public hearing opened at 7:03. p.m. Scott Carlston, Eden Prairie Resident and developer, stated Stonegate is off Pioneer Trail across from the Lake Riley exit. He has spoken with all seven owners in the area and tried to work out agreements. There are four landowners that will work out agreements. The project is 28.8 acres with lots ranging from$105,000 to $185,000. Purchase prices will be approximately $475,000 to $800,000 for houses inclusive of land. This is a good fit for the area; it is across from Bear Path. The tree savings will be increased by 14%, for a total loss of 38%. Zoning is for 2.5 units per acre. The average lot size is 20,980 square feet. The maximum he could do is 72 lots; he will do 46. He will remain involved in the project all the way through design and construction. The houses are designed to fit the lots. He has selected three builders who have good experience with custom homes. He will add a fence along Pioneer Trail and add pine trees. Covenants and restrictions include square feet restrictions on buildings. Kathy Weber, 9650 Stable Path, owns the property just south of this development. She has six acres there. There is a stub road heading directly south into her property. The stub would become an extension of Dell Drive. The Guide Plan has called for it to come through her property and connect to Stable Path. If she gives up the piece of her property for the stub road she would like to cul-de-sac her property. She would be concerned with those building on that road thinking they are living on a cul de sac when in reality it will be a through road for those on Crestwood Terrace to get onto Stable Path. As a solution she would like to make her plan part of his development agreement and require the developer to put this on his marketing information so people realize it is a through road. The stub would have signage. Scott Carlston stated he wanted to leave the development a cul de sac. City Engineer Al Gray said they needed the stub for future access. Franzen stated it was common to have a disclosure in the developer agreement to show potential future subdivision. The street will be posted as a future road. Gray stated when working with the properties being redeveloped, they are working around existing properties and those that will be developed in the future. The stub is an alternative that leaves them with a couple of cul de sacs. There is a wetland at the end of one road. This will bring Dell Drive from where it was platted in the 1960's to that point. One alterative was to bring it straight east but it would make an undesirable intersection. Warren Carlson noted he owns the parcel of land off Stable Path and has owned it for 32 years, since 1970. There was an easement along the property Community Planning Board Minutes April 22, 2002 Page 3 line in 1978. He wanted to see the Carlston drawings to ensure their plans meshed with his. The City was requiring vacation of the easements before there could be development. There should be a wetland delineation. Brooks inquired whether he had a preliminary layout of his property. Scott Carlston showed his plans. Foote inquired how lot 5 would be accessible. Scott Carlston stated it would be accessible through Stonegate. Franzen noted there was a wetland in the center of the property; there would be lots on the east and west sides. A new delineation must be completed so they have an understanding of how many lots can be there. Multiple locations for street E would be acceptable. Lots 9, 10, 11, and 12 don't meet the 13,500 lot size requirement or the street width requirement. An unknown is whether or not the city will allow any of the wetland to be filled. Pam Olson of 9480 Stable Path asked about the road coming out onto 1 and whether it would line up with Riley Lake Road, and the possibility of a signal. Gray stated traffic volumes would determine whether or not there would be a signal. Hennepin County may reconstruct Pioneer Trail and sight distances would change significantly. This is a County Road. Carlston stated his home and office phone was accessible to anyone and he would be happy to talk to anyone at any time regarding the development. Koenig inquired whether they would realign B to meet up with Riley Lake Road. Carlston stated yes. Koenig asked whether staff was comfortable with the alignment. Gray said he has not seen it yet. Brooks noted this appears consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and conditions on page 4 of the staff report have been met. The Board could elect to see the final plan. Foote inquired whether Warren Carlson would be bringing forth a plan in the near future. Community Planning Board Minutes April 22, 2002 Page 4 ScottCarlston stated yes. Foote stated they should meet and talk. Scott Carlston stated he called Carlson as soon as he purchased the property and attempted to purchase his property. There are a lot of issues to be resolved with the Carlston property. He has four landowners waiting to move forward. Franzen said the delineation would be complete within a week to ten days. The delineation should be complete by the time Carlston goes to council. Koenig asked him to review wetland mitigation. Scott Carlston said he was creating a NURP pond. A current wetland will be increased. Sodt inquired whether a delay of 2 to 4 weeks would do material damage to the project. Scott Carlston stated yes. He has closings coming up. Warren Carlson stated he has no intention to cause delays. He does not understand what approval of the project means. Stoelting stated they could approve the plan and street E could be moved. Franzen stated that if the wetland takes three weeks it would go beyond the closing date. Foote asked if they could delay it to May 13'h and schedule it for the next Council meeting in May. He likes the project but would like to clear up the discrepancies. Warren Carlson asked what effect the delineation would have on him or his property. It was initially set up for a private drive. Staff suggested stubbing a full street. Franzen stated is does not matter where the street goes. There would be the same amount of land area and the same number of lots no matter where the street is. The plan does not meet any of the lot size requirements. Seymour asked staff to summarize in addition to the comments in the staff report what else has to happen to satisfy the City. The tree loss has been addressed. There should be a statement regarding street E. Community Planning Board Minutes April 22, 2002 Page 5 Franzen said either option is acceptable for street location; everything in the plan this evening is in a form, which the board could approve. Dwight Jelle, Engineer, Westwood Professional Services, stated they are very flexible on the street location. If he can get his wetland delineated they can move the street. This is not unusual to any kind of site plan. Paul Lagenfeld, 9655 Crestwood Terrace stated there were endangered species nesting in the woods. He asked what would happen to the endangered species and about the tree loss. Carlston stated they were saving as many trees as possible. Some trees would lost due to the construction of a NURP pond. He would sit down and show him which trees would be saved. Nelson stated a continuance; going to council on the 21st would be the most logical approach. Brooks concurred. Foote stated it should be published for Council on the 21st. He would like to see a complete set of plans. Koenig asked whether they would need to send a notice to the neighbors again. MOTION by Seymour second by Foote to continue the item to the May 13, 2002 meeting and publish for the May 21 st meeting. B. CITY CODE AMENDMENT FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE OF CITY OWNED HISTORIC DESIGNATED PROPERTY The public hearing was rescheduled for May 13, 2002. C. SMITH-DOUGLAS-MOORE HOUSE ADAPTIVE REUSE by the City of Eden Prairie. Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 1.7 acres, Planned Unit Development District Review on 1.7 acres, and Zoning District Amendment in the Rural Zoning District on 1.71 acres. Location: 8107 Eden Prairie Road. The public hearing was rescheduled for May 13, 2002. V. MEMBERS' REPORTS Community Planning Board Minutes April 22, 2002 Page 6 VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS VII. NEW BUSINESS VIII. PLANNERS' REPORTS X. ADJOURNMENT MOTION by Nelson , second by Koenig to adjourn. Motion carried, 6-0.