Planning Commission - 09/13/2004 APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE COMMUNITY PLANNING BOARD
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2004 7:00 P.M., CITY CENTER
Council Chambers
8080 Mitchell Road
BOARD MEMBERS: Ken Brooks, Larry Kacher, Vicki Koenig , Kathy
Nelson, Peter Rocheford, Fred Seymour, Ray
Stoelting, Jon Stoltz, William Sutherland
STAFF MEMBERS: Stu Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources
Al Gray, City Engineer, Mike Franzen, City Planner
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE—ROLL CALL
Vice Chair Nelson called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Present: Vice Chair Nelson,
Commissioners Brooks, Kacher, Koenig, Rocheford, Seymour, Stoltz, and Sutherland.
Absent: Stoelting
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION by Koenig, second by Brooks, to approve the agenda. Motion carried, 8-0
III. MINUTES
The August 23 meeting minutes were not available for this meeting.
IV. PUBLIC MEETINGS
V. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. PRAIRIE PINES by Epic Development. Request for Planned Unit Development
Concept Review on 5.09 acres, Planned Unit Development District Review with
waivers on 5.09 acres, Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 5.09 acres,
Preliminary Plat of 5.09 acres into 8 lots. Location: 9576 Crestwood Terrace.
Perry Ryan of Ryan Construction presented the project. He stated it consists of
eight single family lots with a rezoning from Rural to R1-13.5. He said there is
minimal tree loss with one waiver.
Franzen stated the site is low density residential which allows 2.5 units per acre and
this development has a density of 1.5 units per acre, consistent with the guide plan.
All of the lots meet the requirements for the R1-13.5 district. He continued there is
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one waiver for grading in order to create a storm water pond. He said in exchange
for the waiver, the City will receive land to protect the slopes, trees, and creek area.
Staff is recommending approval of this project.
Nelson opened the project for public input.
Grenaire Kanduth, 9601 Crestwood Terrace, stated their taxes have skyrocketed but
they want to stay where they're living. They don't want City sewer and water and
they can't afford assessments. She said she would request that the developer be held
to the same high standards as the developer who developed the Crestwood Terrace
area which would mean being financially responsible for roads and sewer, including
stubbing of sewer to the Kanduth's property.
Nelson asked for input on sewer and water to this area. Gray responded the
Crestwood Terrace area developer did construct improvements. They didn't do it
because it was required by the City; it was the most expedient means to proceed.
Gray said this development proposed is planned with a pressure sewer system that
could be used by adjoining properties. It is an expedient way for the developer to
accomplish it. Another way would be to petition for the improvements which
would include a feasibility study but it would be time consuming and there would
be no guarantee that the City Council would approve the project. There are eight
lots and other area properties that would benefit since the developer is planning on
paying for the improvements.
Nelson asked if this would affect the Kanduth's property assessments. Gray
responded under the current proposal it would not, although there could be some
improvements that could be petitioned for in the future which could result in
assessments.
Koenig asked how much land will be dedicated to the City and how far it is from
the creek. Ryan responded that it is Outlot A shown on the plan. He said the lot is
40,180 square feet. The land would also include right-of-ways along Crestwood
Terrace, the new public road and Pioneer Trail. Koenig asked if that is definite.
Ryan responded that is what is proposed at this time and there is a minor
modification staff is asking for but the Outlot A is definite.
Koenig stated they appreciate the land because it's important to get the trail system
through there. She asked staff to address the erosion issue and what the minimus
exception is on the wetland. Gray responded that the minimus wetlands means the
wetlands are so small in size they have no significant value, and as a result they
would fall into an exemption from the wetland act. The erosion is in the creek itself
and a result of undercutting of the bank on the side the development is occurring.
Koenig asked if the developer has a plan to address the erosion issue. Ryan
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responded that he has met with the City and Barr Engineering to work on funding
for repairing slopes. Gray stated there is a process to go through with the watershed
to share costs of repairing the slopes. They want to proceed in a timely manner
before homes are built. The cost sharing may involve the developer and
homeowners.
Koenig said she understood the need to find the source of the problem and correct it
before the development is built. Gray stated the source is Riley Creek and its
movement which causes the erosion.
Koenig asked whether they had any information about the turn lane and Dakota
County. Ryan responded they are currently working with the County on the lane.
Brooks asked how much the lots and the houses will cost. Ryan responded the lots
will be approximately $200,000 and the homes between $600,000 and $700,000.
MOTION by Rocheford, second by Koenig, to close the public hearing. Motion
carried, 8-0
MOTION by Rocheford, second by Sutherland, to approve a request for Planned
Unit Development Concept Review on 5.09 acres, Planned Unit Development
District Review with waivers on 5.09 acres, Zoning District Change from Rural to
R1-13.5 on 5.09 acres, Preliminary Plat of 5.09 acres into 8 lots,based on plans
dated September 03, 2004, subject to the recommendations of the staff report dated
September 10, 2004, to the City Council. Motion carried, 7-0-1, Kacher
abstained
B. BEST BUY by BBE Properties. Request for Planned Unit Development Concept
Review on 5.39 acres, Planned Unit Development District Review with waivers on
5.39 acres, Zoning District Change from Office to Commercial Regional Service on
5.39 acres, Site Plan Review on 5.39 acres, and Preliminary Plat on 5.39 acres into
one lot. Location: 7901 Flying Cloud Drive.
Tim Palmquist of BBE Properties presented the project. He stated they have
reviewed the elevations and signage on the building with staff. He stated they have
reduced the size of the signs and shifted them around. They also have added blue
canopies.
Franzen stated staff is recommending approval. He said the sign waiver is similar
to Target. They have removed excess signage from the front of the building and
added it to the rear. The signs are tastefully done and integrated with architectural
design and materials.
Brooks asked about the front elevation and the blue wedge being included in the
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square footage of the sign. Franzen responded the blue canopy is not included as
part of the sign. He said the yellow area is the sign.
Brooks asked if the blue on the rear of the building was considered part of the sign.
Franzen responded the blue portion is separated by building material which is
considered an architectural feature. He said only the blue wedge portion with the
yellow ticket would be included.
Nelson opened the meeting to the public. There was no public input.
Stoltz stated he sees very little difference from the original proposal. He said it
seems now the blue is the canopy and that makes it fine. He said he was in support
of the project but he wants to make sure these types of issues don't keep recurring.
Palmquist stated the front wedge piece is ultimately the same. He said they had not
explained it well previously and the canopy was always a part of the wedge area, it
was just not evident.
Stoltz asked if the building material had changed since the original proposal.
Palmquist responded that nothing significant had changed. He said the rear
elevations were split up and there has been separation of the blue from the yellow
sign area.
Rocheford stated he called Edina and Richfield and asked about their sign
ordinances. Both of them stated the blue would be considered part of the sign. He
asked Palmquist if he was involved in the Richfield store. Palmquist stated that
was done before he joined BBE Properties. But he thought the blue would not have
been included as part of the sign.
Brooks thanked the City staff and Best Buy for working through the sign issue.
Kacher stated he is happy with how the building looks.
MOTION by Brooks, second by Koenig, to close the public hearing. Motion
carried, 8-0
MOTION by Brooks, second by Koenig, to recommend approval of a request for
Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 5.39 acres, Planned Unit
Development District Review with waivers on 5.39 acres, Zoning District Change
from Office to Commercial Regional Service on 5.39 acres, Site Plan Review on
5.39 acres, and Preliminary Plat on 5.39 acres into one lot,based on plans dated
September 10, 2004, subject to the recommendations of the staff reports dated
August 6, 2004, August 20, 2004, and September 10, 2004, to the City Council.
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Motion carried, 8-0
VI. MEMBERS' REPORTS
VII. CONTINUING BUSINESS
VIII. NEW BUSINESS
IX. PLANNERS' REPORTS
Franzen stated there may not be any public hearings for the next meeting.
Koenig asked staff what projects are ahead. Franzen responded two small single family
projects and a small addition to an industrial building. He said when County Road 4
improvements are done and sewer improvements made,there will be development of Site B
of Hennepin Village. He stated there is some land to the south of Beverly Drive and north of
212 which would be a good sized development possibly next year.
X. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Koenig, second by Rocheford to adjourn. Motion passed, 8-0.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 7:35 p.m.