Planning Commission - 07/18/1967 VILLAGE OF EDEN PRAIRIE
PLANNING 6 ZONING COMMISSION
AGENDA
Tuesday 18, July 1967
ITEM PURPOSE
7-8-67 Minutes 7-5-67 Approval
7-9-67 Alex Dorenkemper Request from Council
for Recommendations on Rezoning
7-10-67 Alex Dorenkemper Filing of preliminary plat
7-11-67 Wheaton Thomas Request for variance
7-12-67 Planning Guide Lines and Report from Brauer Associates
Ground Rules
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION 18 July, 1967
The meeting was called to order at 8:00 P.M. by Chairman Miller.
PRESENT WERE:
Arthur Miller, Chairman Odmor Skjelbostad
Ralph Nesbitt Homer Raguet
Cecil Cruse James C. Brown, Clerk
David Dale Quentin K. Wood, APW
Henry Hauser
Also present were Mr. Brauer and Mr. Perret from the firm of Brauer 6 Associates,
the Village Planners.
ITEM 7-9-67 ALEX DORENKEMPER
The Clerk explained that he had presented to the Council, the Planning and
Zoning Commission's request, that they return the Dorenkemper rezoning to
the Planning and Zoning Board for a recommendation and that the Council
had agreed to do this.
Mr. Brauer stated that they had time, just barely, to look this matter over
and felt that this area should be considered as a whole and not one pocket
to be rezoned as they felt it would not be good to put residential next to
the industrial property that is left. He felt that he would have a report
available for the next meeting covering the entire property if they so
desired.
Motion was made by Odmor Skjelbostad, seconded by Ralph Nesbitt to table the
Dorenkemper rezoning until the meeting of August 1, 1967.
The motion carried.
Motion was made by David Dale, seconded by Odmor Skjelbostad to re-open the
hearing on that part of the M-2 property south of Pioneer Trail, County Road 1
and that part of the M-2 property north of Pioneer Trail and west of Riley Lake
Road and to have a Planner's report on this.
The motion carried.
ITEM 7-10-67 ALEX DORENKEMPER PRELIMINARY PLAT
Because the rezoning was not completed, no action was taken on the preliminary
plat.
ITEM 7-11-67 WHEATON AND THOMAS
Mr. Wheaton appeared before the Board to request a variance from 80 feet to
60 feet on the roadway in the Industrial Park which they are planning to
develope between new 169 and old Highway 5 and on Mitchell Road.
Mr. Wood advised him that the requirements of the village was 70 and not 80
feet. There was some discussion on the possibilities of making a variance in
the building set back and also the possibilities of making some additional
changes.
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Mr. Wheaton, also, asked for an opinion from the Board on the street facings
for the property. He was told that, generally speaking, the one side of the
plat faced on the service road which they were building. This would normally
be considered the front for buildings facing on this road. The other side of the
plat faced on Mitchell Road and on the service road and would require that both
sides of the property were properly developed from an appearance standpoint.
Mr. Wheaton then withdrew his request for a variance as he felt they could work
out the road with the engineer.
ITEM 7-13-67 EDINA REQUEST FOR REZONING
Mr. Frank Carderelle appeared representing the develooper. Mr. Pete Perret
from Brauer & Associates presented a report to the Board on the general area
that could be affected; the area bounded by 18, 494, and 169. The individuals
along 18 who would be directly affected by the possibility of a road assess-
ment if such was the case had been notified of the meeting and many of them
and also some additional residents from the interior of the area were present
at the meeting.
Mr. Brauer's report to the group as presented by Mr. Perret was to the effect
that this area would develope, generally speaking, to a higher use then single
family residential use. Most single family residents presently in the area
would be affected; adversely as far as the buildings were concerned and opposite
as far as the land value is concerned which in the end would probably not make
a total affect on the individual property owner that would be a detriment to
him. He felt that should an individual who presently owns a residential home
in the area choose to continue to live there that this would be feasible and
would not present any problems. He stated that after the area begins to
develope and the land values change, the land use would present a problem to
individuals who do have residential developments and that people would be
attempting to purchase their land for a higher use than a single family resi-
dontial usage.
He felt that the request from Edina was favorable as far as Eden Prairie was
concerned in conjunction with the over all area. They were putting the
planned industrial park zoning across from their village park and Edina felt
that this was good zoning as far as Edina was concerned as it would not adversely
affect the Braemar Park. There was some discussion as to the type and value
of the buildings that might be built in the Edina area. Neither the developer
nor the planner would venture to guess as to the dollar value as it was too
early to even ascertain who the prospects might be who would build in the area
but felt that the requirements of the Edina zoning ordinance for planned
industrial parks and the exposure to the freeway type road would require an
expensive lot with an expensive building on it.
Motion was made by Ralph Nesbitt, seconded by David Dale to recommend favor-
able consideration to the Council for this; the proposal from Edina.
On a roll call vote, Ralph Nesbitt voted yes, Homer Raguet voted yes, Odmor
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Skjelbostad voted yes, Henry Hauser voted yes, David Dale voted yes,
Arthur Miller voted yes, and Cecil Cruse abstained.
The motion carried.
ITEM 7-5-67 HILLCREST COURTS 2ND ADDITION
Mr. Carlisle Madson of the firm of Schoell and Madson represented Mr. John
Gullickson, the owner of the property and presented the preliminary sketch
plan.
Mr. Quentin Wood had gone over the plans as presented by Mr. Madson and had
suggested that an alternate be worked out to provide road access to the
property north of the proposed platted area as shown on the original sketch.
The people had made a change which was an alternate to the original sketch
and Mr. Wood recommended that the Zoning Board approve the alternate.
Mr. Brauer and Mr. Perret looked over the plan and felt that there should be
some access across the village from this road, that their only concern was
the long cul-de-sac with only one method of access. They felt the plan gave
the village some additional land and was 'from a layout point of view, acceptable.
R Motion was made by Homer Raguet, seconded by Henry Hauser to approve the
preliminary sketch plat for Hillcrest Court 2nd Addition as presented with
. the alternate plan for the area at the north side of the development.
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The motion carried.
ITEM 7-12-67 PLANNING GUIDELINE AND GROUND RULES
A report was presented by Mr. Brauer of Brauer 6 Associates on some of the
requests and requirements which they felt should be worked out with the
Board on the comprehensive plan, as far as meetings and the handling of
business.
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Mr. Brauer asked that the Board consider holding joint meetings on the planning
stages with the Council, Park Board and the Industrial Commission so that all
..� these people could be given the presentations and present their information at
C� one meeting.
There was some discussion on the recommendations made by Mr. Brauer by members
of the Board. Questions were asked. It was generally agreed that if a joint
meeting could be held, this would be the most favorable to the group as a
whole as the information would be presented by individuals from the various
groups to the group and would not be word of mouth as to what took place at the
previous meeting. It also would eliminate Mr. Brauer making presentations to
more than one body at a time. Mr. Brauer also stated that when the comprehensive
planning was started, that they would hold twice a month meetings at their
office. He was suggesting the period of 4 to 6 P.M. on a Friday in which people
could come in and ask questions regarding the comprehensive plan as it affected
their overall area. This would not be a public information meeting in that
they would not make a presentation. It would be a meeting in which people could
ask questions.
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There was some question as to the time this meeting should be held. Some
felt it should be held in the evening. Mr. Brauer stated that by holding it
from 4 to 6, there was a logical cutoff time and people had to go to eat and
also that the majority of the people would be able to attend at some time
during this period and have their questions answered. This is to eliminate
phone calls throughout the day at his office; He also stated that people
who were involved in a personal piece of property in developing a plat in
which they are rezoning in which they call for Mr..-Brauer's opinions and
recommendations will be billed to the village for the time he spent so that
the individual could be billed by the village.
The Board had some discussion as to whether they would have two or three
meetings a month during the period of the plan and it was felt that they
should try to hold it to two meetings a month.
Mr. Henry Hauser presented a motion which was seconded by Mr. Ralph Nesbitt,
that the first meeting of the Planning and Zoning Board each month be an open
meeting with a published agenda. Those individuals who have requests which
would normally appear before the Planning and Zoning Commission would be placed
on the agenda and the Board would act on their request. During the course of
the meeting, a section would be reserved on the agenda for people who was
unable to get their request into the village in time to place it on the agenda.
In this way, they could make their requests and the Board would then take it
under advisement to act on it at it's next agended meeting.
The cut off on the agenda is to- be the Friday, one full week before the
Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, the first Tuesday of the month.
The second monthly meeting would be strictly a planning meeting with the
agenda for this meeting to be prepared by the Planner. As regards the
comprehensive plan, the Council, Park and Recreation Commission and the
Industrial Commission would be invited- to participate in this meeting. This
meeting is to be for the development of a comprehensive plan for the Village of
Eden Prairie. Also, -t4xrt the Planners would automatically have their report on
any request for rezoning and the report is to be mailed prior to the meeting in
which the meeting is to be discussed. The requirements on this motion is to be
put in effect, starting August 1, 1967.
The motion carried.
The meeting adjourned at 11:12 P.M.
James Brown, Clerk
VILLAGE OF EDEN PRAIRIE
PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION
ADDITIONS TO PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA
FOR July 18, 1967
7-13-67 Edina Rezoning next to Eden
Prairie between Old and New
County Road #18
7-5-67 Hillcrest Court 2nd Addition Report from Engineer and Planner
PUA111'I NG RIEPORT do n 4
VILLAGE DE EDER PRAIRIE , MINNESOTA
Recommendations for € l anni n2 Procedures
July lU, 1967
A, COINPRUE'NSM Ci)HNUI.41IT' PLAN
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tie recommend that you set aside a date in the last week of
August (Metropolitan Data) ; September (Perceptual ) ; Novem-
ber (Sociological ) . January through June (Plan Concepts) ;
and July 1968 (Final Plan) for presentation and discussion
of planning data and proposals . These meetings should be
reserved for planning ONLY, if at all possible.
The August and September meetings will consist largely of
presenting data , observations , evaluations and projections ,
End should not require more than 2 hours meeting time.
It would use mkmt expeditious if the Council , -Park Board
and Industrial Commissionwill meet Jointly for these pre-
sentations .
2. ' e urge each commission member to participate in the
community development seminars , planned for September and
October, 1967 .
3. It would be useful for each commission member to prepare
a written statement; - list of priorities - planning phil-
osophy - or just plain observations - on the subject of a
comprehensive plan for Eden Prairie , for our information.
4. Beginning in September, vie will maintain an "open-door"
policy for landowners two days per month, between the
hours of 4:00 and 6:00 p.m. This does not: mean that we
will not answer reasonable and logical questions which are
asked of us by phone during the rest of the time , but we
will not try to explain comprehensive planning objectives
or procedures to individuals over the phone.
b. Developers wishing us to review specific sites for their
own benefit must agree to pay for our tine and expenses .
We will not prepare plans for them, however. We jai l l bill ra
the Village , which will in turn bill each developer for �.
our time and Village Staff Time as well . �
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V1UJ-`.GE OF LbElf11 PRAIRIE PUS',11`HINIG REPORT NO, 4 JULY 18,
e) ADMINISTRATION - in addition} to evaluation of existing
or proposed procedures as a Part of other services describad
abode , actual receipts acknowledgement , identification ,
scheduling ; recording , filing , notification , etc. , of all
requests for action by property owners or the village .
3. procedures . Planner vill attempt to present planning re-
ports one (l ) month after official submission. If more
time is required , the Planner will request additional time .
Reports will be distributed to members of the Commission
several days prior to the presentation meeting.
The Planner will use photographs as well as appropriate
plans , rendering , overlays and other techniques which are
effective illustrations of planning concepts .
4. Recommendations. We believe that there is no necessity for
tail �Iublicc hearings on matters of zoning or other
planning ordinances .
The Council and Pla!,ning Commission should hold joint
meetings to hear major planning reports . This will not
only save time and axpense , but should be beneficial as an
opportunity for discussion and exchange of ideas .
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