Planning Commission - 11/25/1974 AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, November 25 , 1974
7:30 PM City Hall
Invocation -- Pledge of Allegiance -- Roll Call
I. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 11,1974 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
II. MEMBERS REPORT.
A. Chairperson Schee.
B. Other Members
III. REPORTS & RECOMMENDATIONS
A. 4/5 Mini Sector Study, for about 550 acres surrounding the intersection
of Co. Rd. 4 and T.H. 5 . Presentation of transportation alternatives and
potential land use which would compliment the access, natural features and
existing development . Discussion of alternatives-and answer period.
IV. PETITIONS & REQUESTS.
a. Linden Pond, by Edenvale Inc. requesting PUD development plan approval
for the multiple portion, preliminary plat approval,and rezoning from PUD 70-04
to RM 6.5 of the single family portion. The proposed development project
is in conformance with the previously approved PUD 70-04.
Action: continue for consideration of staff report, or approve, or deny.
B. Cedar Forest 2nd Addition , C. E. Coulter & Asso. , request for rezoning
from rural to R1-22 and preliminary plat approval for Cedar Forest 2nd Addition.
• The 34 half acre lot plat is located in southwestern Eden Prairie east of
the existing Cedar Forest Ist Addition and north of Riley Creek.
Action: continue for consideration of staff report, or approve, or deny.
C. Titus Incorporated , request rezoning from R1 and C-Hwy to PUD within
the Major Center Area and firstphase rezoning of lots 9 & 90 to C-Hwy.
The proposed plan would provide restaurant and commercial space.
Developer's persentation.
Action: continue to December 9, J974 meeting.
D. Crosstown Apartments, by Clifford: Fraser , a proposal for a 537 unit multiple
housing•project located in the Smetana Lake Sector in the southwest quadrant
of the Co. Rd. 18 and 212 Crosstown interchange. Presentation of revised
site plan which considers the recommendations of Brauer - & Associate's
staff report.
Action: discussion of revised plan with no commission action.
V. PLANNER'S REPORT.
1 . Community Based Services recommendations for amendment to Ordinance 135.
2. The Preserve Commercial Plan - discussion of time schedules for City
consideration. Report previously distributed.
* Village Woods 2nd Addition and Red Rock Hills PUD will be discussed by the
Park & Recreation Commission on Monday, November 25th at 6:30 PM in the
Prairie View School. It is expected that these proposed projects will be on
the December 9th Planning Commission agenda with staff reports presented.
VI. ADJOURNMENT.
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MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, November 25, 1974 7:30 PM City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Schee, Sorensen, Fosnocht, Lynch, Lane
MEMBERS ABSENT: Brown , Meyers
STAFF PRESENT: Putnam, City Planner
I. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 11 , 1974 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
Lynch moved, Schee seconded, to acceptthe minutes as published. The motion carried
unanimously.
II. MEMBERS REPORT.
III. REPORTS & RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. 4/5 Mini--Sector Study, for about 550 acres surrounding the intersection of Co. Rd. 4
and T.H. 5 . Presentation of transportation alternatives and potential land use which
would compliment the access, natural features, and existing development.
The planner reviewed the study's background and purpose,stating that transportation
possibilities for the study area would be presented and hopefully by Wednesday
land use alternatives would be presented, He then pointed-out the developed and
developing uses within the area.
Mr. E. Moran, 8100 Eden Prairie, Road, stated he resented being zoned .industrial
along with the land surrounding his property. The planner responded that his
property as long as it is used as a resident would be considered residential.
The lannerre reported that the soils in the area were poor and the terrain is rolling
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with marshes and a number of different tree varieties. With diagrams he illustrated
the following four transportation alternatives :
Alternate A - 4 lane divided urban parkway on Co. Rd. 4, cross
access would be restricted on Highway 5, advan-
tage- could be accomplished immediately.
Alternate B - 212 would be constructed along Highway 5 with a
diamond interchange at 4&5. Co. Rd. 4 would be
a 4 lane divided arterial with increases in volume
expected.
Alternate C - Highway 5 would be routed south on 4 and connected
to proposed 212 at their intersection. Co. Rd. 4
north of the 4/5 intersection would be a collector
and Highway 5 east of the intersection would
become a local industrial street.
Alternate D - rely on the Highway 5 / 212 connection to be made
west of the study area .
Mr. Moore felt that Alternate A would present access problems for the existing
residents along Co. Rd. 4. The planner responded that the homes would have
access 1 way. Mr. Moore then asked if there was any assurance 212 would be built
within 25 years. The planner stated that it is presently being reviewed and felt there
is no absolute assurance that the road will be constructed in a prescribed time .
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Mr. Don Peterson asked when the study team would decide on one of the transportation
alternatives. The planner believed that the study team would be suggesting an
alternative on December 9th that will allow future improvements on the road system.
Pastor Gary Peterson asked what type of access the Immanuel Lutheran Church would
have under Alternate C and which route the neighborhing residents would take to
Homart. The Planner said the church would have full access perhaps of the in/out type
and the best route to Homart would be along Valley View to the Ring Route.
Mr. Eames,17345 W. -78th St. , felt it appeared there was more concern given to
in/out City traffic and not to traffic within the City. The planner said that
such traffic is being given alot of consideration by the planners involved.
Mr. Eames then asked how residents along 5 would have access if the 5/212
connection is made west of the study area. The planner believed that there could
be a service road for the residents under such a system.
Mrs. Quaal, 16191 Westgate Trail, asked if an evnironmental impact study would
be done on the area. The planner said it would be done during the land use phase.
The planner said the study team would try to avoid 4 corner commercial development
at 4 &5 because they feel 150,000 sq. ft. would be the maximum allowable and they
.will be considering what the neighborhood desires in neighborhood commercial centers.
He stated that land use in the study area will depend on the road system . He asked
that those interested- in receiving a copy of the staff report call the planning office
on or before Friday prior to the December 9th Planning Commission meeting.
Mr. Sorensen asked if with the Watershed District report on the 212 E. I .S. if it
was conceivable 212 would be constructed along T.H. 5 . The.planner said he was
unsure and such a system would be more expensive than other alternatives.
IV. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
A. Linden Pond, by Edenvale Inc. , requesting PUD development plan approval for the
multiple family portion, preliminary plat approval, and rezoning from PUD 70-04
to RM 6.5 of the single family portion. The poposed development project is in
conformance with the previously approved PUD 70-04.
Mr. Peterson reviewed the potential land uses of the original . Edevale PUD and the
existing approvals. He showed slides of the site's character, location, and surrounding
existing development. He felt that the single family detached home market in the
City is strong and said they would be requesting a variance from the 13.5 set-backs
to allow 25-30 foot front lot setbacks in order to preserve the sites character.
Mr. Lyle Landstrom, presented the site design of single family on the south end and
future multiple on the north . He said 28 of the single family lots would be served
from Woodland Drive with a few served by Woodland Trail. Open space is proposed
in the center of the single family.
Mr. Lynch asked how the multiple residents would get to the open space at the south i
end. Mr. Petmon said that an easement area between 2 single family. lots might be
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proposed along an utility easement. Schee inquired how such an easement would
be designated. Mr. Peterson said it would be constructed of crushed limestone and
filed through a covenant. Mr. Lynch asked who would maintain the open space.
Mr. Peterson stated that the local HOA would probably maintain it.
Eric Strommen, 15091 Summerhill Dr. , questioned the potential traffic problem
from the existing surrounding units and the units proposed all on Edenvale Boulevard.
Mr. Peterson answered that a connection to Birch Island Road would be made to
relieve traffic pressure as the need dictates.
Mr. Ken Dragseth, 15701 Summerhill Dr. , felt problems have previously existed
in regards to walk easements because there is no immediate document sting
responsibility for injuries and sometimes yards are ]eft uncompleted pending walkway
'material. Mr. Peterson said he would agree that an absolute commitment for
responsibility should be made immediately and FHA requires it. The planner suggested
that an outlot would be another alternative. Mr. Peterson said that FHA prefers the
use of easements ,
Fosnocht inquired as to the cost of a lot and home in the single family proposed.
Mr. Peterson estimated the cost at $60,000.00 and higher.
Motion:
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to refer the item to the staff and Park & Recreation
Commission. The motion carried unanimously.
L ,Cedar Forest 2nd Addition, C. E. Coulter & Asso. , request for rezoning from rural
to R1-22 and preliminary plat approval for Cedar Forest 2nd Addition. The 34 half acre
lot plat is located in southwestern Eden Prairie east of the existing Cedar Forest
lst Addition and north of Riley Creek.
Mrs. Semrad stated that originally their 138 acres were zoned residential they now
find it zoned rural and would desire it be zoned back to residential. She said that
2 years ago when they had the lard preliminary platted no one told them it was zoned
rural. The planner stated that the prelmimary platting was in 1969 and - said if they
were interested in developing the land they should petition for utilities . Mrs . Semrad
responded that they have petitioned for utilities and have offered to install an
private system for the development.
Schee suggested the commission receive a report from the staff before they take
action.
The planner said that Mr. Coulter has received a number of letters instructing him
on proper applications and submission but has submitted things improperly. He felt
the basic question was what the City wanted to do with lands outside of sewered
areas. Schee then suggested the discussion be ended and referred it to the staff
for a report.
Titus Inc. , request rezoning from R1 and C-Hwy to PUD within the Major Center Area
and first phase rezoning of lots 9 and 90 to C- Huvy. The proposed plan would
provide restaurant and commercial space. Developers presentation.
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Mr. Fredrickson stated that Titus has been in the retail/commercial business since
1969 . Mr. Reese displayed layouts of the proposed commercial center of 1 story_
buildings. He said they felt the uses are in order with the regional shopping center
and would be easily connected to the existing utilities. They intend to sell to indivi-
duals and do not feel the architectural style should be dictated. A road could be
proposed from Leona to W. 78th Street through the center of the proposal.
Fosnocht asked if the proposed uses and road had been discussed with the property
owers to the north. Reese replied that it had not been discussed and the road
connection was recommended by the planner. Lynch did not believe 'that Leona
Road could handle the traffic and asked if Leona would be connected to the
Ring Route. The planner stated that it would be better.for the development to have
2 accesses ( 1 to W.78th and 1 to Leona ) and Leona would not be connected_ to the
Ring Road.
Schee askedwhy 2 restauranis.we proposed and what type they would be. Mr.
Fredrickson replied that the market indicates that restaurants desire to come into
this area and they would be similar to the Golden Bear restaurants. Schee' .then
asked why only 1 story buildings are proposed. Mr. Reese replied that they would be
more compatible and transitional.
Lynch suggested that berms and screening be used to protect the residential area to the
north from the commercial buildings.
Schee suggested the item be ccniinued. to the December 9th meeting at which time a
staff report would be presented.
--- Sorensen chaired the remainder of the meeting ---
D. Crosstown Apartments , by Clifford Fraser, a proposal for a 537 unit multiple housing
project located in the Smetana Lake Sectorin the southwest quadrant of the Co. Rd. 18
and 212 Crosstown interchange. Presentation of revised site plan which considers
the recommendations of Brauer & Associates staff report.
Mr. Fraser asked for the commission's feeling on his most recent submission.
Sorensen and Lynch felt more detail should be submitted in order to make a thorough
evaluation. The planner believed that Mr. Fraser desired the commission's feeling
if this new approach met the previous desires of the commission and if _ it did he
would present snore indepth details.
Saensen stated that in regards to the structure's height he was neither for or against
it but had reservations concerning the potential traffic problem in the Smetana
Lake area. Mr. Fosnocht also expressed concern about the traffic and said he
could.not support such an intensive use of the site.
Sorensen reminded Mr. Fraser that the commission makes recommendations not
decisions and that he had a previous PUD approval from the Council. Mr. Fraser
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asked if he should go the Council with his previous approval. The planner replied
,hat the Council usually prefers to have a recommendation from the Planning
Commission unless the time limit has elapsed.
Mr. Fraser thanked the commission and the discussion ended.
V. PLANNER'S REPORT.
1 . Community Based Services recommendations for amendment to Ordinance 135.
The planner said the commission would soon be receiving the revised amendment .
2 The Preserve Commercial Plan.
He reported that tle proposal wo ild be on the December 9th agenda.
VI. ADJOURNMENT.
Fosnocht moved, Lane seconded, to adjourn the meeting at 11:10 PM.
The motion carried unanimously.
Respectively Submitted
Jean Egan ,Deputy Clerk