Planning Commission - 01/15/1974 AGENDA
w EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY, JANUARY 15, 1974
7:30 P. M. Eden Prairie Village Hall
INVOC+ATION - - - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - - - ROLL CALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairwoman Norma Schee, Wayne Brown,
Don Sorensen, Richard Lynch, Drew Daniluk,
Joan Meyers, M. E. Lane
COMMISSION STAFF: Dick Putnam
7:00 Discussion with Mr. David Stautz from Homart Development Company
up-dating the progress of the Eden Prairie Center.
P. M.
7:40 I. INTRODUCTION OF NEW PLANNING COMISSIONERS.
Reappointed Mr. Dora Id Sorensen, newly appointed Mr. Andrew Daniluk,
and reappointed Council Represemtive Mrs. Joan Meyers.
7:50 II. MINUTES OF JANUARY 3, 1974.
7:55 III. ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
A. Chairman.
B. Chairman pro term.
C. Secretary.
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8:0,� W. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A• Eagle Enterprises, Inc. , Planned Unit Development for shopping center
and low density multiple residential housing located in the northwest
quadrant of the intersection of Co. Road #4 and T. H. #5. The site is
approximately 14 acres with a 72, 000 G. F. A. shopping center with a
super market as major tenant.
Suggested Action. Direct Staff to prepare analysis of 4/5 intersection
area related to the location of commercial services.
8:40 B. Bruce Brill, Kingdale Kennel request for rezoning approval for kennel
located south of #169 and north of Riverview Road directly south of Flying
Cloud Airport. Referred to Commission from Council for further
examination of recent information.
Suggested Action-Recommendation, positive or negative, to location of
kennel and homes on site proposed or other alternates.
9.30 C. Mark Z. Jones, Basswoods site dl , rental apartment project located
in the Preserve on Basswoods Blvd. 17 acre site proposed for 255 units.
Referred to Commission from Council for further consideration of
building locations, design of double loaded corridor buildings, site design,
and total number of units.
Suggested Action: Evaluate changes to existing site plans and examine
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proposed atlernates with recommendations for the Council Meeting of
Feb. 12, 1974.
100 D. PROGRESS REPORT ON PLANNING PROJECTS:
1. Ordinance analysis brought up by Eden Land Corporation regarding Suback .
Restaurant application.
2. Crosstown Extension from Shady Oak to 494.
3. Smetana Lake Sector Planning and Valley View interchange hearing
January 17, 1974.
4. Discussion of the Planning Commission's reorganization.
10:30 E. EDENVALE PLAT APPLICATION. Preliminary plat approval of last.
remaining portion of unplatted land in Edenvale Northwest area. Location
17. 823 acres lying adjacent and westerly of Chicago Northwestern Railway
in the southeastQJof section 4, Township 116, Range 22.
Suggested Action: Preliminary Plat Approval.
IV. ADJOURNMENT.
MINUTE'S
` EDEN PRATPTE PLANNING COMA, IiSSIQ�T
'iUESllA.Y , J.ANL'AftY 15, 1974 7:30 V i.LAGUK HAL.
MEAUGEP—S PRESENT: Richard Lynch, Skip Lane, Donald Sorensen, i3orma
Schee, Joan 1,1evers, Wayne Brown., Drew Daniluk.
Il• EAMBE h S ABSENT: None
STAFF PPESENT: Dick Putnam, Village Planner
:�TTPQDUCTION OF 11EW PLANNING COMMTSSIGNERS.
Mrs. Meyers, acting mayor, formally introduced; Skip Lane who has been
a commissioner for about 2 months, Drew Daniluk appointed in January 1974,
and Donald Sorensen '.T,rho was reappointed for a 3 year term.
II. MINUTES OF JANUARY 3, 1974 MEETING.
The minutes of January 3, 1974 were approved as published.
A. A work session will be held January 29, 1974.
B. THE NEXT MEETII G WILL BE HELD FEBFUAR-Y 5, 1974.
III. ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
A. Chairman. . Donald Sorensen extended his gratitude to Mrs. Schee as,to
the fine job she has done and moved that tshe be re-elected to the
position of Chairwoman. rt was seconded by Wayne Brown and approved by
a unanimous vote.
B. Chairman pro term. Mr. Lynch nominated Mr. Sorensen, seconded by
. Mrs. Meyers. Schee then moved for a unanimous vote, it was
seconded by Meyers. The motion was approved by an unanimous vote.
C. Secretary. Mr. Lynch nominated Mr. Brown, seconded by Mr. Lane, and
Mr. Sorensen moved for.an unanimous ballot. The motion was approved by
an unanimous ballot.
IV. REPORTS AND PEC.OMMENDATTONS.
A: Eagle Enterprises, Inc.^ Planned Unit Development for shopping center
and low density multiple residential housing located in the northwest
quadrant of the intersection of Co. Poad4 and T. H. 1#15. The site is
approximately 14 acres with a 72, 000 G. F. A. shopping center with a
supermarket as major tenant.
Mr. Putnam gave the background on the Eagle Enterprise site. I-fe noted
that the problems were the site size, roads, and the needs for commercial
in the urea. The Council and 'Planning CCJmmiss-on had'askeed the C� fr_'
to 100' ', in t1he .7;.lia,-e but a re-port ,. :.'.s not camplE ted
because of priority reaso_ls. Putnam then read from the November
6th M, C. Transportation Development Guide, .which requested a study, of
all the transportation need;, for the South.crest area.
Adequate thought had not been given to T. H. 5 and Hwy 212 and'the
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traffic analysis had not been throughly considered by the Corridor Study.
The Hennepin/Carver County Study Committee is analyzing the problems which-exist
along; a class 1. roadway along 212 from freeway 494 west and the extension
• of the Crosstown to meet Hwy 5 which creates problems for the County
Road System. The 212 E. I. S. is comp, eted and Corridor and .'.sign Flearings ,
are expected in the 1st half of 1974.
Mr'. Sorensen asked if the City could rescind its approval. j Mr. Putnam
said that since there had been no Envi.ro {mental Impact Study the answer
would be yes.
Discussion then went to the impact of the 4/5 intersection. The existing
problems are that if #5 is up-graded to a freeway it would mean that the 4/5
intersection would have to have ramps since #4 is part• of the County System.
If system D, 169 & 212 is approved at the up-coming Design Hearing it would .
make #5 a Class 2 route which could mean development at the 4/5 intersection
may be considered.
The Eagle Enterprise representatives were concerned with'parking and buffering.
The site, (70, 000 sq. -ft. of which 2.0, 000 sq. ft. is the super market), will
have 'a double loaded mall for a neighborhood center and service 'from the rear.
Mr. Norderhouse said the State had a 100' right-of-way on #5 with no expected
future addition, and that Hennepin County had a 60' right-of-way on #4 and
wanted an additional 101. There was nothing in.tivritting fromthe State concerning
this matter.
Mr. Putnam then event over the two options from. the Preliminary Sector
Staff REport dated 1/12/74.
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1. To take action on the proposals presented given the best information
which exist today concerning the traffic, comr, needs, and
engineering aspects of the area., pursuing this course means that
a series of assumptions: must be made any one of vrhich may be
proved wrong in future decisions.
Decisions made and subsequent construction will most certainly .
influence the latter and larger decisions about traffic and the means
of solving those problems. For example the construction of 70, 000
sc, ft. con.mercial center would most likely preclude some, of the
alternates related to the intersection of 5 8Z4 as that parcel would
be too costly to acquire.
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2. The second option requires the Village to wait for the final decisions
• on the location of the roads 212, T. FT. 5 and Co. Rd. 4 and to t'nroughly
investigate the alternative geometries prior to approving any
commercial, residential, .or industrial development around intersection
T. H. 5 and Co. Rd.. 4. Without the basic;_information related to the
212 location either on the new alignment along the railroad south or
the Hennepin County proposal for locating 212 along the existing T. H. 5
right-of-way.
The Village should reci,:_est immediate action on the part of the Highway
Department to expedite the Design and Corridor Hearings for 212 and
to request that specific geometric and traffic analysis be conducted
in the T. H, 4/5 intersection area and for proposed 212.
That any specific decisions on development proposals by the Village be
withheld until such engineering traffic and highway planning data can
be obtained.
Putnam felt that the Eagle Enterprises has put in alot of work on the !resign,
solved their problems and have made something that is physically workable
excluding the highway problems.
• . Daniluk then suggested the alternative of relocating #4 for'the interchange away
from the area. Mr. Putnam responded that the relocation of #4 even a short.
distance would be difficult because of existing development,
The area around Mitchell Road and T. H. 5 was also considered to have problems
of access if #5 is up-graded.
Mr. Sorensen stated that the Commercial analysis was re-fervedto the Staff
about 4 mouths ago and asked about its status and the date it will be available,
Mr. Putnam said that it was going to be scheduled but other matters had
higher priority. Currently Betty Johnson, City Research Analyst, is
organizing this .seminar in February for the Commission and Council.
Further discussion evolved and Mr. Lane asked Mr. Putnam if development
at corners isn't just what the Village wants to avoid. Mr. Putnam agreed,
adding that the policy has been not to put community commercial on regional
arterials.
The Eagle representatives than ask-ed the Commission to look at this P.U.D.
upon_ its merits.
ACTION. Meyers then moved seconded by Schee, that any specific decision
by the Village on the intersection of 4/5 be withheld until the engineering
traffic data can be obtained.
Brown than raised the question of a time limit.
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Sorensen then amended the motion that the Village Staff proceed with reasonable
dispatch to complete the commercial needs study and that above action be taken
within a 6 month period.
• Sorensen then asked the Planner what would be a reasonable time limit For
titie Staff. Mr. Putnam responded that the 212 Corridor Study is out of this hands,
that the E. I. S. is done and being reviewed and then a Corridor and Design
Hearing will follow. A second amendament was then added by Mr. Sorensen
recommending to the Council the allocation of funds for completing the City
Commercial Study. Mrs. Meyers felt that it should be a priority.
ACTION. The motion and 2 amendments were than approved by a unanimous vote.
(7-0).
B. Bruce Brill, Kingdale Kennels Request for rezoning approval for kennel
located south of #1.69 and north of Riverview Road directly south of Flying
Cloud Airport. Referred to Commission from Councilfor'further examination
of recent information.
The Lower Minnesota Water Shed District responded to the Park and Recreation
request of purchasing the land that they would pay the total cost of acquisition
and that the Village could pay back 50% of it over a period of time. The Village
Park and Recreation Commission decided that this would be a good course.
to follow.
Mr. Sorensen asked if the boundary question was resolved. The Planner said
• that the boundary stops at the slope and it is within the Watershed District.
Mr. Stanley, a resident west of the proposed Brill property; had written a letter
to the Council requesting information , and said that the Guide Plan shows the
areas as Open Space and that he, has acted accordingly. He wishes to know what
impact the kennel would have on his property.
Mr. Putnam, referring to the Brill Staff Report, January 7, 1974, stated
that a kennel is specifically prohibited in rural districts. An option available
is to change the wording in the definition section for "agriculture" to allow
for the raising of animals in rural areas, Meyers then moved that Ord.134, 15C ,
would also have to be changed because it prohibits kennels in rural or residential
if less than 1 acre lots.
The Planner stated that presently a kennel belongs in commercial or'industrial ;
yet it is not reasonable to build houses or care for animals in such areas.
Other possibilities would be to zone to public or quasi-public consistent with
the Guide Plan if such use can be interprepted by the Council as beneficial to
the public.
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The folloNving recommendations were then given by Mr. Putnam.
Recomme idations.
1. The Village enter into a joint agreement with the Lower Minnesota
Watershed District to purchase the two parcel s,tetal-ing;approximately
20 acres, of the land on the Bluffs between Riverview and 169 owned by
Marty Grill, undi;r going considerable development pressure. And
that the Village Staff investigate alternate locations to enable Kingdale
Kennels to locate within Eden Prairie prior to January 1, 1975.
2. If the Village Council does not wish to exercise the option presented
by the Lower Minnesota Watershed District for the purchase of the
property on the Bluffs south of 169, then the proposal by Mr. Bruce
Brill, of Kingdale Kennels, for the construction of an animal kennel,
and ultimately two single-family homes, could be accepted if the
property is zoned rural with ac:ompanying changes to Ordinance
135 or to public or quasi-public with appropriate Ordinance changes.
3. If the Kingdale proposal is approved then cost estimates for the
up-grading of Riverview Road sh^.uld be prepared by the Village Engineer
and presented to all property owners in that area with an estimate
of the development cost for such up-grading as required by the traffic
volumes produced by Kingdale Kennels. Also, definition by the Village
of additional parcels and their development potential should be
studied to insure that adjacent owners are given adequate protection
for their existing and future uses.
4. Direct the Village Staff to research and define conditions and specifications
whi-2h would allow the proper buffering of such uses as stables and
kennels from adjacent uses in a satisfactory manner.
Mrs. Schee the asked Mr. Stanleyfor questions or comments. StanleY'stated
no objection to the kennel as such but wanted to know what he could sell his
property for in the future if there is a kennel next door. He also raised the
question of who would carry the burden of improvements, and if the area
is rezoned now, can he expect the same treatment in the future.
Schee then asked Mr.- Brill for his response to locating in Bryant Lake.
Mr, Brill said that it was not financially possible because money for kennel
building on Park Property is not feasable. When asked if he had inquired
about such financing he responded, no - because a kennel is a single use
building, Mr. Brill said that he had been looking
for 5 years and that this is the first positive feedback he has received from
the Village. He asked for some direction on whether or not he could locate
at the 169 site, adding that it was the best place in the Village for him, he
would like to live there, and that it would not be too bad for his customers.,
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Brown asked if a 2 week or 1 month delay would be a big hindarance for Mr.
Brill thus allowing time for the Staff to evaluate the road condition.
Mr. Brill then suggested the alternative that the Village could build the kennel
and lease it back to him.
Mr. Lane said that .he ,yquld rather see the money go to a source as play-
ground equipment and for existing park development. j
Daniluk asked if the Village would have to buy more than. the 20 acres.
The Planner said that there are about 40 acres undesigr_ated and that Browning
Ferriss and Hustad have both indicated committed land already.
Mr. Sorensen, not wanting in any way to prejudice the commission, asked
the Commission if it would be appropriate. for him to step.. down and make a
comment in be-half of Mr, Brill. Schee then moved to allow
Mr. Sorensen to spzak in be-half of his client Mr. Brill.
Mr. Sorensen said that he had not intended to speak brit there was need for
imput from- the other side. It was his understaiding that Mr. Jessen had
gotten the approval of 100 % acquisition of the endangered property on_a 5
year, 5016 payback oral agreement. Cost estimates are from $200,000. . to
$400, 000. , which means that the Village must repay between $100, 000. to
• $200, 000. over a 5 year period. The problems with the Bryant Lake
site is financing. Bonds could be sold but a very limited market exists for such
bonds. Corn mercial!Lending Institutions are against loans on leased ground.
The Village itself must lease the land and building to Mr. Brill. He felt
that this lard would be ideal for a kennel, being no immediate need of utilities
and it ' issolated from other uses. Mr. Putnam has indicated that this would
require changes in Ord. 134 & 135 .\Mr. Brown then questioned what would
happen with the remaining land. Mr. Sorensen responded that the whole strip
could be put in exceptional uses of rural categories, leaving 8016 open space.
Thus the Village irould acquire great amounts of visual open space without
development pressure. Daniluk then asked about the cost of thekennel. Brill
said that on Bryant Lake it .would be between $30,. 000. and $50, 000, dollars.
A question of how far the noise would carry was raised by Daniluk and Mr.
Brill said thatit_ vrould depend on thelocation of the buildings. Mr. Sorensen
then askeclfcr actim on the request and that it be placed on the Council agenda
next week.
S•co.ee then motioned , seconded by Lynch, that:
1. If the Village Council is unable for any reason to exercise the
option presented by the 'Watershed District for the purchase
of the property on the Bluffs south of 169, .then the proposal oy Mr.
Truce Brill,of Kingdale Kennel for the construction of an animal
kennel and ultimately 2 single family homes, could be accepted
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if the pr opery is zoned rural-with accompanying changes to Ord.
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• 2. That the Municipality on petitioning the Water-shed-District to purchase
all the land east of that property north of Rivervj!•w Rd. to restrict
any further development east of the Brill proposal on the river bluffs.
3. If the Kingdale proposal is approved then cost estimates for the up-
grading of Riverview Rd. should be prepared by the Village Engineer
and presented to all property ovmers in that area with an estimate of
the development cost for such up-grading as required by the traffic
volumes produced by Kingdale Kennel. Also, definition by the Village
of. additional parcels and their development pot�a tial should be
studied to insure that adjacent owners are given adequate protection for
their existing and future uses.
4. Direct the Village Staff to research and define cord itions and specifi-
cations which vl;ould allow the proper buffering of such u^es as stables
and kennels from adjacent uses in ;a satisfactory manner.
ACTION. The motion was approved by a vote of six ayes;(Schee, Brown,
Lynch, Daniluk, Meyers, Lane. )
• 1 abstaining(Sorensen)
Mr. Sorensen indicated for the record that Mr. Brill and his wife-have
employed him as their attorney for their recently acquired business since
December, '1973.1
C. Mark Z. Jones, Basswoods site dl, rental apartment project located in the
Preserve on Basswoods Blvd. 17 acre site propsed for 255 units. Referred
to Commission from Councii for further consideration of building locations,
design of double loaded corridor buildings, site . design, and total number of
units.
Mr. Godin began by saying that they were looking for an economic solution to
meet the objections of the original design and still arrive with a marketable
product. Then the Bass-,-nod representatives proceeded into a lengthy numbers
demonstration to impress upon the Commission the acre age and density involved.
Mr. Godin claimed 84+ acres in part development.;
Lane than for i: 7.ri-Fi.cat-ion of the problem r•eforred to t1io Com—rilisslo:l.
i��ir..Godin repeated the demonstration of numbers giving the density of each
area, (b, A2, d2, dl-e), statino, that the overall density would meet the
6. 4 /du required.
Mr. Sorensen responded that the numbexsgarne was not rneaningful, his
• concern was not with the units but the effect the units had upon the land and the
safety factors. Ile fell: that Basswoods should not take credit for the church
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site since it is owned and will probably be sold by the Preserve,..
• Nlr. Putna7-n reminded the Basswood representatives that the major thrust of
the Council was not the density number, and that it was not am&r concern to
most of the members, instead they shouldbe considering the placement of the
structures and their design.
Schee apologized for allowing the number discussion to go on for so long
and stated that the placement not density was why it was referred back to them.
Godin &
Schwarz then headed in a more meaningful direction and presented their
alternative plan. They felt that they had designed a site which gives them the
proper market characteristics and breaks the massive facade to which the
Village Planner had objected to. Their alternative consists of smaller
buildings and a reduction of the massive facade b "pretzeling. Mr. Schwarz
added that the design is very preliminary, and that this new. design provides
them with 4 different marketing alternatives. In response to questions about
the needed recreational areas they anticipate a connecting structure which would
house perhaps an indoor pool, sauna, etc. , ownership of the common facilities
might be similar to what the Preserve already has.
The Village Planner felt that the alternative design created 3 distinct unit
types which probably will be an asset and give the appearance of less intensive use
of the land.
It was asked if the same number of units were involved; Basswoods responded
affirmative. Mr. Sorensen asked if it would be the same walking distance?
Schwarz said that alot of places have a similar distance to stairways and that
the distance is closely controled by code for safety. Sorensen asked if the
parking would still be on the first floor level? Schwarz said that it would be
close but a little below.
The Planner inquired about the use of a court system on the northerly building;
Basswoods are investigating the possibility.
Schee asked the Commission if Basswoods should proceed;
ACTION. There was a consensus from the Commission thatthe Basswoods team
could proceed with their alternative design.
Schee then directed them to proceed with their alternative, and to give the
details to the Village Planner for a report.
D. PROGRESS REPORT ON PLANNING PROJECTS.
• 1. Ordinance analysis brought up by Eden Land Corporation regarding
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Suback Restaurant application.
"he Village Planner reported that 1%1r.Perbix was writting a letter to the
Council and that there was no way it could be done under existing Ordinances.
2. Cr.oss-bwn Extension from Shady Oak to 494.
No material has been recieved from the County.
3. Smetana Lake Sector Planning and Valley View interchange hearing
January 17, 1974..
There will be a hearing at the Edina Nest H. S., which the Planner will attend.
4. Discussion of the Planning Commission's reorganization.
It was suggested by Mrs. Schee that since some of the members were
not involved in past happinings that a packet should be compiled as a re-
ference file. All the Commissioners believed it would be helpful and
that if possible they would go over it at the up-coming work session.
E. EDENVALE PLAT APPLICATION. Preliminary plat approval of last
remaining portion of unplatted land in Edenvale Northwest area: Location
17. 823 acres lying adjacent and westerly of Chicago Northwestern R a.ilway
in the southeast 1/4 of section 4, Township 116, Range 22.
It was reported by the Village Planner that Mr. Jullie, Village Engineer had
approved the application.
ACTION. Lynch moved, Meyers seconded, to approve the application .
The motion was carried by a unanimous vote. (7-0).
IV. ADJOURNMENT,
Schee motioned, Lynch seconded to adjourn at 11:50 p. m.