Planning Commission - 08/21/1973 A:7 ENDA
' EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY, AUGUST 21 , 1973
7:3-0 p.m. , Eden Prairie Village Hall
INVOCATION - - - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - - - ROLL CALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairwoman Norma Schee, Wayne Brown, 'Don
Sorensen, Patrick Casey, Richard Lynch, Don
Teslow, Joan Meyers .
COMMISSION STAFF: Dick Putnam, Village Planner
I. MINUTES OF JULY 17, 1973 , MEETING.
II. REPORTS & RECOMMENDATIONS:
7:35 p.m. A. "Sector Study of Smetana Lake Area" , report and discussion with Planner
and Consultant Ray Maculans.
7:50 p.m. B. "Briarhill" , apartments and townhouses in Edenvale by Shelter Corporation.
Revised site plan submitted because of F.H.A. feasibility approval. Staff
report and recommendation. Action: accept or reject site plan revisions
to Ordinance No. 177 rezoning property to RM 2.5 .
8:10 p.m. C. Discussion of Homart site plan, revisions, and summary of progress.
9:2*.M. D. "The.Masters" , condominiums located west of the 1st fairway in Edenvale.
Revised site and building plan submitted will be explained by developer.
Staff report and recommendation. Action: Approve or reject the project
requesting zoning to RM 2 .5 , as a recommendation to the Village Council.
8:55 p.m. E.'_ "Olympic Hills P.U.D. " , mixed residential development located on the
eastern edge of Olympic Hills Golf Course. Developer's presentation
and staff report and recommendations. Action: recommend approval or
rejection of the concept plan for the 38 acre site to the Village Council.
9:25 p.m: F. "Prairie East" , P.U.D. of mixed residential uses located between Franlo
Road and Co. Rd. 18. Staff report and recommendations. Action: Recommend
approval or rejection of the concept plan, rezoning of 21 acres to RI-13 .5 and
17 acres to RM 6.5 and preliminary plat approval for the single family
RI 13 .5 area.
9:55 P.m. G. "Edenvale South" P.U.D. of mixed residential, commercial, and park uses
located east of #169 and adjacent to the.new East/West Parkway. Revised
plat of the single family 1st phase areas submitted by the developer.
Action: Discussion of revisions .
10:10 p.m. H. "Mini-Storage", proposal for individual warehouse storage for recreational
uses, overstock commercial products, or extra residential storage.
Additional information requested by Planning Commission presented. Request
rezoning from Hwy.-Commercial to I-2 Pk, and Rural to I-2 Pk. Action:
Approval, rejection, or ask for revision.
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Agenda
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Tuesday, August 21, 1973
III. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS:
10:35 p.m. A. Eagle Enterprises, Inc. proposal for a 72 ,000 sq.ft. G.F.A. shopping
mall located in the northwest quadrant of Hwy. #5 and Co. Rd. #4 inter-
section. Also proposed is a 4 acre residential development of 36 units.
Requesting concept plan approval on the 14 acre P.U.D. Action: request
detailed traffic research from State and County highway Departments and
the completion of the commercial services study by Ken Chambers, Assessor.
ADJOURNMENT.
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- _ NIMUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
TUESDAY , AUGUST 21 , 1973 VILLAGE HALL 7 :30 P.M.
Members Present: Chairwoman Norma Schee, Wayne Brown, Don Teslow,
Don Sorensen, Richard Lynch and Joan Meyers .
kiembers Absent: Patrick Casey
Staff Present: Dick Putnam, Village Planner
I . MINUTES OF JULY 17 , 1973, (MEETING
A motion was made by Mrs . Meyers seconded by Hr. Teslow to approve
the minutes as published. Notion carried unanimously.
II : REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIbms :
A. "Sector Study of Smetana Lake Area" , report and discussion with
Planner and Consultant Ray Maculans.
Hr. Putnam explained the background of the study precipitated
by the request . for rezoning by Condor Corporation on Washington
Avenue. Slides of the area were described by Mr. Maculans .
Maps snowing the existing and proposed buildings and platting as
well as the roadway system in the Pearson, Helle, Condor Corp.
area were presented.
• Mr. .fvlacu.lans rep_o_rted that o-f—th_e __9_68 a_cre_s�1.03.8 a-r^es a-r-e .
developed--50% of which is developed industrial .
Condor representatives requested a reaction to the study or a
recommendation for the Council regarding their area. It' was
explained to Condor that spot zoning would not be granted; action
could not be taken by the Commission until Condor ' s new site
plan was examined; and the transit problems in the sector were
studied and resolved.
Karl Krahl , 6100 Arctic Way, Edina, who is a property owner in
the Smetana area asked if some of his property could be excava-
ted since it was in an industrial area. Mr. Putnam replied that
a site plan would have to be examined and some land alterations
may be necessary.
William Bearman, 9955 Valley View Road , stated that the effect
on the entire area of the entrance of two roads onto Valley View
should be given thought--addition of heavy truck traffic, pos-
sible necessity to widen Valley Viers resulting in encroachment
into park areas. He further stated that he had no objections to
residential or multiple dwellings if compatible with the environ-
ment.
That the land should remain as it is was* the feeling .of Ed Peter-
son, 10580 Valley View Road.
,Planning Commission Meeting . -2- August 21 , 1973
i•ir. Sorensen requested that information regarding the extent of
excavation in the area be made available to the Commission.
• Mr. Putnam stated that neither he nor Mr. liaculans were ready
to make any firm recommendations at this point - in the study.
Discussions will continue at the next Planning Commission. meet-
ing.
.B. "Briarhill " , apartments and townhouses in Edenval.e by Shelter
Corporation. Revised site plan submitted because of F.N .A.
feasibility approval . Staff report and recommendation. Action :
accept or reject site plan revisions to Ordinance No. 177 rezon-
ing property to RN 2.5.
Mr. Dan Fazendin of Shelter Corp. introduced architect Nick
Talaia of Willer, Meiby & Hanson. Mr. Talaia explained the re-
. visions to the originally approved site plan as a result of the
HIED moratorium and changes in site evaluations.
1. Better placement of buildings which will now work with .
the contours of the land.
2. Better roadway system using the contours.
3. Better use of sun exposure and breezes .
4. Relocation of the 12 townhouses to the southeast end
of the site.
The -unit mix is maintained--48 one bedroom apartments, 60 two bed-
room apartments and 6 three bedroom apartments , 12 three bedroom
townhouses.
Action Taken:
A motion was made by for. Teslow seconded by Mrs. Schee to recom-
mend to the Council approval of the site plan revisions to
Ordinance No. 177 rezoning property to R14 2. 5. Motion carried
unanimously.
C. Discussion of Homart site plan, revisions, and summary of.
progress.
1.1r. Putnam commented on the August 13 Staff Planning Report sub-
ject of which was the Site Plan Review for the Homart Develop-
ment Corp's Eden Prairie Center. The Site Plan was approved by
the Village Council August 14, 1973.
Mr. Sorensen stated his objections to the proposed gas island
and islands separating parking from the perimeter road painted
on the asphalt.
D. "The Flasters" , condominiums located west of the 1st fairway in
Edenvale. revised site and building plan submitted will be ex-
plained by developer. Staff report and recommendation.
f,ir. Putnam highlighted his staff report of August 15 and showed
• slides of the site and .location of the proposed buildings . Dur-
ing this slide presentation 14r. Peterson of Eden Land Corp . —
stated that the buildings would project about 10 feet above the
tree elevation.
Planning Commission Meeting -3- August 21 , 1973
In answer to Mrs. Schee ' s question regarding a sprinkler sys-
tem, Hr. Weiss stated that if the Commission and Council
• required such a system it would be included ; however, if the
inclusion made the project economically unfeasible, the project
may have to be abandoned .
Mrs. Meyers commended Edenvale for being good developers and concerned com-
munity supporters, but voiced opposition to the six-story condominium project.
Suggesting that it was an awkward piece of land, perhaps the original con-
ceptual use should be reexamined. Mrs. Meyers based her opposition on the
precedent which might be set as a result of the granting of the M2 zoning
variance and on the lack-of coincidence between this project and the efforts
of the MC Task Force and Housing Task Force to preserve the integrity of
suburban and semi-rural neighborhoods.
Mr. Peterson showed the relationship of this project to sur-
rounding Edenvale projects and stated that rural areas were not
planned for the Edenvale PUD. He stressed that the proposed
project, they felt, was the best type of development for the
site; and that if the project were turned down , the site would
not be brought before the Commission for some time. Single fam-
ily units are not suitable since extensive grading would be
necessary. Letters were read by Mr. Weiss from other de-
velopers in the PUD which were receptive to the project.
11r. Sorensen, agreeing with Mrs . Neyers , stated that given the
• particular site, the structures were inappropriate and should
be limited to the 1-11CA—_19r. Iesao-w.,_a]sn.,__f_e1_t_that the_bm_Ud-
ings would not be screened by the trees .
Action Taken :
A motion was made by Mr. Brown seconded by Mrs . Schee to recom-
mend to the Council approval of The (Masters 2 six-story con-
dominium project with rezoning to R(M 2. 5--
a. As outlined in the August 15, 1973, p.lanning report with
its recommendations ,
b. With the understanding that the existent home will be used
for a sales office during the construction of the first
building after which approval for the use or deletion of
the home as a unit will have to be sought from the
Commission and Council .
On roll call , Mrs. Schee and for. Brown voted aye; Messrs . Soren-
sen, Lynch, Teslow and Mrs . Meyers voted nay. Motion defeated.
E. "Olympic Hills PUD" , mixed residential development located on
the eastern edge of Olympic Hills Golf Course. Developer ' s
presentation and staff report and recommendations .
tir. Jim Morris reviewed the 38 acre site and questioned Mr.
Putnam about Recommendations 1 and 2 of his staff report. Mr.
Putnam explained that since no open space is provided , the
• people living there would use other trailways and parks . Con-
sequently a payment in lieu of land dedication should be made.
'Planning Commission Meeting -4- August 21 , 1973
Recommendation 2 addressed itself to the wildlife passage way
and Mr. NcLyn voiced a desire to enter into a study with The
• Preserve regarding this.
The fifty foot setback on the peninsula for the townhouses was
discussed as perhaps not being adequate. Mr. McLyn stated that
seldom if ever did a golf ball stray into this area and that
fencing would not be erected.
The concept plan calls for six single family lots along the
heavily wooded slope. The soil conditions and slope of the
hillside indicate that residential development might be inappro-
priate. Mr. Putnam felt that grading would be tremendous' in
building the road.
There was no change in the four story apartment unit proposed
. earlier by Olympic Hills. The multiple four story building was
not necessarily objectionable to some Commission members at
this site but more detailed -concept plans were desired.
Action Taken -
A motion was made by Mr. Lynch seconded by Mr. Brown to recom-
mend concept plan approval of Olympic Hills 38 acre residential
development per the staff report of July 23, 1973 , and its
amended recommendations which follow:
1. Since no public open spa-ce is provided , payment in lieu of
• land dedication should be made based upon the market value of
the property -d e v eq-o p e d--a=s—t-o w-n h opt-s-e--and--m ul-t4iP--e—r-e s i d e-nt-i a-I-.�——=--
The funds should be used for the development and acquisition
of parks within the area of this project.
2. Require a suitable open space area through the approximate
center of the townhouse site to be left as natural wildlife
passage way.
3. Recommend approval of the approximately 25 acre townhouse/
atrium home area located adjacent to Franlo Road, north and
south of tine Olympic Hills entrance. The approval .is not
based upon -numbers nor the site plan proposed but rather the
land use.
4. Approve a multiple building with underground parking in con-
cept with the stipulation that the health, safety, fire re-
quirements and access as well as greater interior parking be
provided in the development stage.
5. Recommend that the six single family lots along the ridge and
the eight duplex units in the low area be denied for concept
plan approval as residential and that the ridge and low areas
remain as integral open space elements of the golf course as
originally intended.
6. The approval -of the concept plan for the areas delineated is
meant not as an endorsement of the specific site plan pro-
posed nor the number of units indicated , but rather as a
conceptual land use plan to be refined during the development
• stage.
On roll call , (pis Schee and i,leyers , Nessrs. Brown , Lynch, and
Teslow voted aye ; fir . Sorensen voted nay . Motion carried .
Plan`ning Commission fleeting -5- August 21 , 1973
- F. "Prairie East" , FUD of mixed residential uses located between
Franlo Road and Co. Road 13. Staff report and recommendations .
Action: Recommend approval or rejection of the concept plan ,
rezoning of 21 acres to RI-13. 5 and . 17 acres to RM 6. 5 and pre-
liminary plat approval. for the single family RI 13 . 5 area .
Mr. Don Hustad , architect, explained that the quadrominium units
would be situated to form three introverted communities ; hence,
achieving a feeling of security. Each would have its own
recreation area with pool and tennis courts'. The natural ameni-
ties to the rear of the townhouses would not be moved as they
would separate the quads from the single family development.
Prices will range between $58,000 and $66,000, but could go up
next spring.
Mr. Putnam stated that one third of the townhouse units are
double fronted which raises the question of whether this con-
cept is the best for the site. More discussion on the townhouse
project was desired by the Commission.
Mr. Bonner spoke of the single family platting and stated that
lots 5 through 17 were in a wooded area. Lot size averages
25,800 with every lot over 13,500. Mr. Bonner indicated his
agreement with the Planner' s recommendations.
Action Taken :
A motion was— made by Mr. Sorensen seconded by Mr. Lynch to
recommend approval of the concept plan Prairie East in actor-
dance with the Staff Planning Report of August 1 , 1973 , with
its amended recommendations which follow:
1. Recommend approval of the concept plan for the Prairie East
project without indicating specific numbers related to units ,
but rather identifying the residential character by unit type
and general density ranges. .
2, Concur with the Prairie East proposal in that Areas 5 and 6
in the P:U.D, be designated as residential areas but that
the housing type and density not be determined until critical
road decisions are made.
3. Recommend that Area 6 be developed more closely akin with
Area 2 in the low to mid-density ranges rather than the medi-
um to high (page 5) .
4. Recommend .the dedication to the Village for any additional
right of way necessary for Franlo Road and Co. Road. 1 ' s
extension , if necessary, to provide high quality access to
this site.
5. Recommend the redesign of the large 5-8 acre open space in
Area 3 to be used in part as an open field site (page 6) .
6. Provision for a public trailway access north and south
through the Prairie East site to connect the Anderson Lakes
area with the institutional center proposed south of Co . Road
1. Would suggest the development and maintenance of the
• trailway by the home association with the guarantee of public
walkway use (page 7) .
ItP1'anning Commission meeting -6- August 9-1 , 1973
' 7. Recommend that the Park and Recreation Commission more
closely examine the mechanism for development, ownership,
. and maintenance of the neighborhood park and trailway sys-
tems with the Prairie East project.
8. Recommend the establishment of an overall Prairie East Rome .
Association charged with the maintenance of common grounds
and as a mechanism for neighborhood organization and input
into The Preserve Sector area .
9. Recommend that the Hustad Development Corporation seriously
investigate the provision of low and moderate price range
housing within the Prairie East project or within close
proximity.
10. Recommend the serious consideration by the developer of the
suggested site plan revisions for the townhouse area. If
the changes suggested are not jstified, valid reasons should
be submitted by the developer to the Village..
. 11. Withhold rezoning and preliminary plat approval for the
townhouse phase of 76 units for the reason mentioned in the
Staff Report (pages 9-11) .
12. Recommend rezoning to R1-13. 5 for the single family area
within Prairie East project (page 11-13) .
13. Recommend preliminary plat approval consistent with all
recommendations of the Village .Engineer for the single
family plat in the Prairie East project by Hustad Develop-
ment Corporation. -
14. Suggest that .the Hustad Development Corporation closely
evaluate the impact of the 13 ,500 square foot lots on the
• knoll and woodland character. Strongly urge the developer
t-o reduce the - n u m-b a r---o f—A-o-t s---t-he-re by---i-n , --- 9..g-tfi a i-r-s i z-e—
to protect the forest character.
Notion carried with Messrs . Lynch, Sorensen, Ms. .Schee
and Meyers voting aye; Mr. Brown abstained.
G. "Edenvale South" P.U.D. of mixed residential , commercial , and
park uses located east of #169 and adjacent to the new East/
West 'Parkway. Revised plat of the single family 1st phase
areas submitted by the developer. Action: Discussion of re-
visions.
Mr. Robert Engstrom, architect, briefly explained some of their
recent changes resulting from the Commission' s comments and
their own discussions . One of these changes was the placement
of cul -de-sacs into the woods rather than placement of the road
through the woods . He stated that other points are being re-
fined with the Village Planner .and that .he would be coming back
with the completed plat at the next meeting.
Action Taken :
Referred to Staff for report and recommendations .
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Planning Commission Fleeting -7- August 21 , 1973
H. "Mini-Storage" , proposal for individualwarehouse storage for
recreational, uses, overstock commercial products , or extra
residential storage. Additional information requested by
Planning Commission presented. Request rezoning from Hwy
Commercial to I-2 Pk, and Rural to I-2 Pk. Action : Approval ,
rejection, or ask for revision.
The report of Chris Enger, Village Landscape Architect, was
explained by Mr. Putnam after which slides were shown of the
site--views from the new Highway 169. Commission members were
concerned about the impression of the area received by travel -
ers of 169. Mr. Putnam indicated that industrial use is
desirable but the problem is trying to identify the good site
plan.
14r. Bruce Hubbard, developer, stated that he agreed with Fir.
Enger' s report in general . Addressing himself to berming, Mr.
Hubbard said that in one area a 50-60 foot berm might be neces-
sary. Trees left by the nursery would be transplanted to ,the
front of the site.
Mr. Brown expressed concern about staging and the type of
building. Parcel B, said Fir. Hubbard, would be developed first
and the buildings mould be concrete structures with brick
veneer to visable -areas .
Action Taken:
Referred to staff for further review.
--� III .PETITIONS AND REQUESTS:
A. Eagle Enterprises, Inc . proposal for a .72,000 sq. ft. G. E.A.
shopping mall located in the northwest quadrant of Hwy. 5 and
Co. Road 4 intersection. Also proposed is a 4 acre residential
development of 36 units. Requesting concept plan approval on
the 14 acre P.U.D. Action: request detailed traffic research
from State and County Highway Departments and the completion
of the commercial services study by Ken Chambers , Assessor.
Mr. O' Neill of Midwest Planning stated that concept approval
would be sought for the 14 acre PUD--10 acres of which would be
developed commercial and 4 acres multiple dwelling--36 units.
The commercial use would be situated on the east side of the
site with the building placed near the rear of the plat allow-
ing for parking between the building and Highway 5. The Vil -
lage staff would be consulted on architecture so that only half
of the building would be visable from the church to the north
of the site. The highway department has been consulted for
solutions to traffic patterns and stacking .
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'Planning Commission Meeting . -8- August 21 , 1973
Multiple units would be built on the four acres to the west
of the Commercial mall to avoid the possibility of strip com-
mercial use of the area and to act as a buffer between the
mall and property west of the parcel . Property owners to the
north of the proposed multiple units have been contacted in
regard to the proposed use.
When Mrs . ' Heyers questioned the need for a mall in addition
to shopping areas at Glen Lake, 7-Hi , Chanhassen, the regional
center, and "the Little Red" , it was reported that an extensive
study was made by ' the grocery store which wished to locate in
the mall . This same store would be located in the regional
center. All existing and proposed commercial developments
have been taken into account.
Mrs. Schee questioned how residents of the multiple units would
enter the development from the west. Residents would have to
turn north on County Road 4 and use the mall ' s parking lot.
Another of [Irs. Schee' s concerns was the trespassing of private
homeowner ' s property by people taking shortcut to the mall from
the north or to Round Lake Park from the multiple
dwellings. The developer siad that the pedestrian pathway would
be encouraged.
. . Earl Netwal , 16640 Luther !{Jay, expressed concern about proper-
ties being used as a pathway between Round Lake and the center.
• Merry Beauvais was concerned about apartments looking down on
his property when- there-was—na fol i age�at�-the wood-e��-area—t,��ii ch
was to serve as a buffer zone.
In answer to Bob Williams ' question, Mr. Putnam stated that Ken
Chambers was working on a study of commercial services and it
should be available in several weeks .
No definite answer could be given to Mr. Claire Kispert, 16765
Hest 78th Street, who asked what the plans were for Highway 5.
The representative of John Sovereign, owner of the 26 acres to.
the west of the proposed development, said that he hoped an
overview of property surrounding the mall would take place be-
fore approval was granted.
Action Taken:
Referred to staff.
Meeting adjourned at 1 :00 a.m.
• Suzanne K. Lane, Deputy Clerk