Planning Commission - 10/19/1972 AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION i
TUESDAY, OCTOBER. W, 11972
7:30 p.m. , EDEN PRAIRIE VILLAGE HALL 1
INVOCATION -` - - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - ROLL CALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman Norma Schee; Chairman Pro-Tam Herb
Fosnocht; Secretary, Wayne Brown; Roger Boerger; Ralph Nesbitt,
Don Sorenson, Patrick Casey, Jamie Mikelson., K
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert Heinrich, Village'Manager; '
Dick Putnam, Planner.
I. MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 19 and OCTOBER 3 , 1972 MEETINGS
IT. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Mark Z. Jones Associates-Shadow Green apartment project located in
Edenvale. Mark Z. Jones has submitted changes requested in the Staff
Report dated September 15, 1972. Commission action on rezoning -request.
B. Hirsch Development Cor oration-25 acre site in The Preserve proposed
. for 180 patio and townhouses. Staff Report and Commission action.
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C. Warren Shultz-single family plat near Kurtz Lane and Park Terrace Drive.
Requesting preliminary plat approval of land subdivision into lot of not less
than 13,500 sq.-ft. , and rezoning to R1 13.5. Approval was given at the ,{
last meeting and the Commission wants to reconsider its action.
D. Meadow Woods Apartments for Preferred Develo ers Cor oration-located
in The Preserve. The project was presented at the last Commission-meeting. Ij
E. Report on the sector stud in Round Duck Lake. -
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TTI• PETITIONS & REQUESTS
A. Ol m i�l Hills County Club/ evelo m t-proposa equestirooConcept
Plan Appro'aI fo 32 Gres o �lan`d west o Franlo Road. Presen a ion.
B. Mark Z! Tones,_B sswo, ds area-loc ted in The reserve. a Z.
Jones is requesting C nce t Plan ppr val on the 7 .Sacres f 1 d
adjacent to An arson s. Firs sentat�'on Com iss. n.
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Thursday, October 19, 1972 7:30 p.m. Village Hall
INVOCATION PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL
Members Present: Chairman Pro-Tem, Herb Fosnocht; Secretary, Wayne
Brown; Don Sorensen and Roger Boerger and Jamie Mikelson. Also present
was Dick Putnam, Eden Prairie Village Planner.
I. MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER_19_, OCT_OB_ER 3, and OCTOBER 17, 1972
Approval of the minutes of September 19, October 3, and October 17, 1972,
meetings was postponed until the next meeting.
II. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Mark Z. Jones Associates, Shadow Green, rental apartments and
convenience center located in Edenvale.
The revised site plan dated October 12, 1972 , and response to the Staff
Planning Report were presented by Mr. Schwarz and discussed with the
Commission. The objections by Mr. Fosnocht related to there being only
one tennis court for the north site, the intensity of the buildings on both
sites, and the large amount of parking. Mr. Sorensen commended the
developers for creating a good site plan, given the structural type and
density requirements, but he could not endorse the total project because
the site was too intensely used.
Other members of the Commission felt that this revised plan improved the
original plan by "attending to details" and felt that the site plan and
building plans were very good.
Mrs. Schee was not able to attend due to illness, but believes the Shadow
Green project is well done and makes appropriate use of the land.
Action Taken:
Brown moved and Boerger seconded to recommend approval of the Shadow
Green apartment developmentbr RM 2.5 zoning, development stage approval,
and a revision of the preliminary plat. Approval is based upon the recom-
mendation of-the Staff Report dated September 15, 1972, and the modified
site plan dated October 12, 1972, submitted by Mark Z. Jones Associates.
The rezoning is for the north and south residential parcels based upon the
October 12 , 1972, plan. Fosnocht asked for a roll call vote. Brown,
Mikelson, Boerger voted yes; Sorensen, Fosnocht voted no. Motion passed
3 to 2.
• Fosnocht moved and Boerger seconded to recommend approval of the
neighborhood convenience commercial center,for rezoning to C-commercial
district, development stage approval, and revised preliminary plat based
upon the plan submitted and the Staff recommendations in the Planning Report
dated September 15, 1972. One amendment to the Staff Report is Item D
under 1: that the sign identifying the service station be restricted to the
end walls of the building and not be permitted any other plane.
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A roll call vote was taken. Brown, Mikelson, Boerger, Sorensen, Fosnocht
voted yes. The motion passed unanimously.
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B. Hirsch Development Corp. , 180 townhouses , patio homes located in
The Preserve.
Mr. Wally Case from Mr. Rippel's office described the changes to the plan
as presented, which involved primarily the crossing of the pathway with two
roads and the realigning of units near the crossings. The Planner said
the Park & Recreation Commission reviewed the public pathway crossings
and believed them to be a good solution. Bill Garens of the Park &
Recreation Commission was not in favor and stated he believed a tunnel
would be a better solution. The extensive "plaza" design combined with a
4' hard-surfaced pathway through the project on the public right-of-way
will be installed by Mr. Hirsch in phases as the project is built.
Action taken:
Boerger moved and Brown seconded to recommend approval of the Hirsch
Development Corporation, 25 acre townhouse/patio home project in The
Preserve for rezoning to RM 2.5 and preliminary plat for the 2.5 acre model
• area and 4.5 acre phase one area. Approval is based upon the revised plan
of October 19, 1972 , and the recommendations in the Staff Report dated
October 12 , 1972.
Amended to read in recommendation. that . . .the "plaza' area at the
street/pathway crossing be built in the first phase and the foot hard-surfaced
path be constructed by the developer in phases.
A roll call vote was taken: Brown, Boerger, Mikelson, Fosnocht, and
Sorensen voted yes. The motion passed unanimously.
C•. Warren Shultz, single family plat near Kurtz Lane.
The Commission asked to reexamine this plat because of potential conflicts
with access and adjacent landowners. Mr. Gray from R.C.M. , representing
Warren Shultz, explained that a meeting with the neighborhood was scheduled
for Monday, October 23 . He also stated that the County Highway Department
has approved an entry to Co. Rd. 4 as proposed. The land is currently
.zoned R1-22 and is platted in three lots.
Mr. Fosnocht asked if all possible options had been explored, such as:
selling to adjacent neighbors, working out a plan with vacant land to the
• east, and building only three homes rather than five as proposed. Mr. Gray
said these had been investigated, but that after the Monday evening meeting
with the neighborhood, a better definition of the possible solutions should
be available.
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Action Taken;
Sorensen moved, Fosnocht seconded to ask the Council to continue the
public hearing and that the Planning Commission wants to withdraw its
approval, not indicating approval or disapproval, but pending further
investigation into adjacent uses and traffic problems in the area. Motion
passed five yes, 0 no - unanimously.
D. Meadow VVoods Apartmentis, located in The Preserve, proposed by
Preferred Developers Corporation.
Mr. Bonner presented slides and graphic material illrtstrating the site
character, location, natural features, and building proposed. The proposed
building is a three story apartment with underground parking and 180 units.
The structure takes its shape, a triangle, from the knoll that it is built
on overlooking Neill Lake. There are 180 interior parking spaces and 180
plus recreational vehicle storage outside. The units are "flats" or one level
units of a rather standard design. The plaza court in the center of the building
is felt to be highly desirable and connects to an indoor pool/party area "
overlooking the lake.
• Mr. Carter asked each Commission member their opinion of the building,
which is between 850-900 feet long. The comments were rather negative,
dealing with the intense site usage for parking/building, the outward
orientation of some units over parking areas, the distance the parking lot
is from the structure, the massiveness of the building, the standard double
loaded corridors at 300 feet in length were not the best, park of only
2-to-1 ratio, and the question of what the developer has built, based upon
their previous project , The Ridgewood condominiums inThe Preserve.
The negative reaction suggested to Mr. Carter that the project should be
reworked and brought back to the Commission in a few weeks.
-Meeting adjourned at 11:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted, Wayne Brown, Secretary - by RP.
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