Planning Commission - 07/05/1972 AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
W EDNESDAY, JULY 5 , 1972 *(note new date)
7:30 P. M. , EDEN PRAIRIE VILLAGE HALL
INVOCATION -- PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin LaGrow, Norma Schee, Ralph Nesbitt,
Herb Fosnocht, Don Sorenson, Wayne Brown,
Patrick Casey, Mike Manning, Jammie Mikelson.
COMMISSION STAFF: George Hite, Village Manager; Dick Putnam,
Planning Assistant.
I. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN TO REPLACE MARVE LAGROW.
II. MINUTES OF JUNE' 2 0' MEETING.
III. .PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND .COMMUNICATIONS.
A. Minneapolis Chapter _of American Institute of' Architects. 168 unit
apartment project under FHA section 236 - low to moderate income
housing program located in The Preserve. The site is located north
of the east/west Parkway across from The Preserve community cen-
ter overlooking Neil Lake.
TV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS,
A. Edenvale Concept Plan Revision dated June 1972. Requesting
approval of the 1972 plan to replace the July 1970 Land Use
Plan. Staff report and recommendation.
B. Edenvale Industrial Park Second Addition Replat. Proposed to
utilize Planned Unit Development approvals in industrial park
development. Staff report and recommendation.
C. Minnesota Highway Department's_proposal for 'a _maintainance facility
between Highway * 169 '.and _Interstate_.212 north of Major Center area.
Staff Report.
_*D. Joint School District/Village site Selection_ Study.. Preliminary pro-
gress report.
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
• WEDNESDAY, JULY 5 , 1972
7:45 P.M.
VILLAGE HALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Schee, Sorenson, Brown , Boerger.
Insufficient membership for quorum.
Diem I. Election of chairman delayed to next meeting-because of lack
of quorum, _
Item II. Minutes of June 20. Delayed to next meeting because of lack
of quorum.
Item III. Petitions, Requests_, .and Communications.
A. Minneapolis Chapter of the American Institute of Architects..
The Winslope Project is a 168-unit apartment ,project under FHA Section
236 . The project is a moderate income housing program located in The
Preserve. The site is located north of the east-west parkway across
from The Preserve community center overlooking Neil Lake.
• George Carter, President of The Preserve , briefly discussed The Preserve
philosophy, which provides a range of housing in The Preserve for moderate
and upper income families, Mr. Carter also stressed the importance of
providing housing that would not produce this stigma effect pievoltalt iri
many public housing projects today. Mr. Carter felt this project was
excellent in that it integrated within the community the moderate income
families and did not have something that they could point at. Mr. Carter
also noted the excellence of the site in relation to the elementary school,
the community center, and the pathways and recreational facilities at
Neil Lake .
Don Hustad, president of American Institute of Architects, Minneapolis
Chapter, discussed the reasons behind AIA's involvement at this point.
The Minneapolis Chapter is the first chapter that has participated in any
type of subsidized housing within the nation and is a leader in this re-
spect. Mr. Hustad also stated that being" a non-profit sponsor, that
the profits will be able to be reinvested into the project as the project.
matures. Whereas, with the limited dividend corporation, not all of
these profits are put back in. Mr. Hustad noted that the affiliation
' etween Eberhardt Corporation as the management arm of the team,the
firm of Winston and Elizabeth Close as the architects for the project
• with Herb Baldwin doing the site and landscaping work along with The
Preserve participating, ahs been advised by the greater Minneapolis
Housing Corporation which Chuck Kercell represents.
Moving into the site analysis, Bill Bonner located the site for us on The
Preserve Comprehensive plan noting the 11 acre site that rings the major
:a,irth of tiia Ville-1qa Cantor across tho ri arkwam. Thi!, 11-•„c•r;,
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area is part of 35 acre tract or area that The Preserve is now under study
or. This area will include some low density housing and some medium
density housing and the apartment structures that the AIA is pra�)'Osjng
The proximity, Mr. Bonner noted to the school park directly a�ross the
north-south parkway and `.i'he Preserve Community Center to the south
and Neil Lake and also to the regional center area that will be developing
with Homart Corporation is excellent and is in easy chalking distance.
The landscape architect and site planner on the project, Herb Baldwin,
noted the various physical features of the site that dictated the design
that was arrived at. Herb noted the crescent shape to the proposed site,
that rings the slope and crest of the hill. Also, noting the excellent
sun exposure from being in a south to south westerly direction. The ;Site
itself has very few trees, only in the southwest corner, and the facilities
are primarily of grass. The concept that was finally decided upon was
one that would utilize apartments that do not face toward the automobile
courts, but rather toward the activity courts in between units. The
buildings are arranged in a lineal fashion stepping down the hill, which
produces a -lineal affect to the site . From one end of the site to the
other the relationship between buildings will be minimal, thus breaking
up the 168 units into the feeling of smaller clusters. Mr. Baldwin then
discussed the two basic areas within the units. As you enter you proceed
through the parking and garage area which is directly adjacent to the road.
Then you move into one of two courts; the first is the formal entry court
• which is a free open space of sufficient scale to provide room for small
scale field games. The second area on the other side of units is the
service court which would be a more intense area that would have play
spaces and would be the family side of the units. As each unit faces
completely through the structure, they should have exposure to both sides
in all cases.
"Vinston Close , architect on this project discussed some of the factors that
they felt were extremely important in the provision of housing in this project.
Factors Mr. Close noted were, limiting the parking access and separating
it from the living environment, building in a strong identity within each
unit and cluster, the inter-mixing of all apartments, some access near
grade for all types, the fact that the units are a part of the total community
and the variety of housing types within the area. ',Wet weather play space
if possible should be included within the site. Adequate front entrances
are important and service/storage areas should be provided. The use of
warm and earth tones throughout on the buildings.
Mr. Close discussed the factor that each apartment is on a different
level within the building and that you walk up half levels all the way
through. The use of stair towers which provides a dominant element
within the structure is noted to be a plus factor.
• Capp Pratt of Eberhardt Co. briefly discussed the management plan
Eberhardt would hope to use in dealing within this project, Mr. Pratt
noted that the Eberhardt Co. has just recently moved into management
of subsidized units and that HUD has looked very favorable upon that
program. The use of computerized and centralized data banks for ad-
:A;:,tcring management program for various project, would be used in
:his project just as all others. Also, the inclusion a social worker
at least half the time in the project would be required. Mr. Praia noted
that HUD has indicated the pluses, where Eberhardt scored, would be in
• the data bank, the budgeting, the high quality corporations status and a
very strong management program. He also noted the AIA and Eberhardt Co.
have formed joint venture on this particular project .
The question that was asked regarding committment to providing housing
within The Preserve was expanded on to include the possibility of
including rental supplement within this project. Mr. Carter from The
Preserve noted that at no time has The Preserve indicated that it would
provide low income housing, but rather it would provide moderate income
housing. He said the inclusion of rent supplement at this time was not
felt to be in keeping with The Preserve's ob c, ives, so at this point
they would not include rent supplement. Ano.ti::�er question raised was that
of quality and development. Would 236 or rent supplement reduce the
quality of this project? Many people answered, and all stated that they
did not feel, that the quality would be reduced at all within this project,
but rather that it would be enhanced.
Action Taken.
Since there was no quorum, there was no action taken other than to refer
this matter to the staff.
B. Hipp's Preliminary Plat. Mitchell Heights PUD, The planner presented
this preliminary plat for consideration. This is the first phase of the
Hipp's Proposal within Redrock to come before the Planning Commission.
The reason for the delay in presenting the Hipp's proposal was that the
sewer design was felt to be critical to any authorization of preliminary
platting in this area. We feel now that we have insurance that the pre-
liminary plat can be approved due to the tentative sewer design which will
be before the Council Tuesday evening. Landscaping, grading, and site
plans have been provided for this phase and at the next meeting the staff
will have a recommendation on this project.
Action Taken.
With no quorum present, it was suggested that the matter be referred to
the staff.
Item IV. Reports and Recommendations.
Since no quorum was present no action may be taken. Items A St B the
Edenvale Concept Plan Revision and Edenvale .industrial Park Second Addition
Replat were deferred to next meeting.
C . Minnesota Highway Department's Proposal. for Maintenance Facility
BGt,.,veen Highway 169 and 212 north of Major Center area was discussed
informally and a couple of conclusions seem to have been reached.
• Ctio was that their landscape plan and planting plan should be revievlred by
the Village and ascertained if it is sufficient. to provide the screening de-
sired. Secondly, the land to the north of Nine-Mile Creek within the
highway right of way between 212 and 169 should be at this time guaranteed
as open land whether by scenic easement, direct deeding to the Village,or
some other procedure. This would be part of the approval of this project.
T.4*t,,-ti ,t7, ,adjourned 9„45 P. M. Respectfully submitted, Wayne Brown, wec,