Planning Commission - 05/02/1972 AGENDA
... "EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Tuesday, May 2, 1'972 7:30 P.M., Village Hall
INVOCATION -' PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - ROLL CALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS. - Mary LaGrow, Chairman; Herb Foshocht, Chairman Pro Tem;
Wayne Brown, Secretary; Ralp4 Nesbitt, Council Representative;
Norma Schee; Mike Flavin; Mike Manning; Pat Casey; Don
Sorenson.
COMMISSION STAFF George C. Hite, Village Manager, Dick Putnam, Planning Assistant.
I. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Hipp's Construction Company+. Proposed Town House project, Edenvale P.U.D.
Request Development Stage Approval on Phase I• Parcel (4.7 acre) and
Rezonipg on the entire 19.7 acre property to RM 6.5 in accordance with
the PUD 70-4 Plan.
II. RECOMMENbATIONS-AND REPORTS ,
A. Russell Marsh and Charles Alexander P.U.D. Pico osal east of Baker Road in
Forest Hills.
Staff recommendation and Planning Commission action.
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNT.NG COMMIS,5rTON
Tuesday, May 2, 1.972
7:00 P.W..
. Eden Prairie Village Hall
Members Present: Chairman Pro-Tem, Fosnocht, Schee, Nesbitt, Brown
Casey, Sorenson, Flavin, Manning. Also present, George Hite, Village
Manager and Dirac Putnam, Planning Assistant.
I. Mfnutas of the April 4, 1972, and April 18, 1972, Commission iv±eetings
have not been completed yet, but they will be available at the next
meertnd.
II. Petitions, reouests, and communications.
A. Hipp's Construction Company request the development plan approval for
a 19.7 acre tract in the northwest area of Edenvale. Also, rezoning
to RM 6.5 on the 19.7 acre site.
Don Peterson from Edenvale, nick Hipp, and Mr. Orlan Miller from Nason,
• Waremar. and Chapman were present. Mr. Peterson described the sita for
us in Edenvale PUD located approximately 2800 feet north of the i.ntersac-
tion of Edenvale Boulevard with Valley View Drive. Mr. Peterson using
slides indicated the character of the site as a roiling, heavily wooded
area throughout and 'having great views to the south over towards Valley
View Road. The heavily wooded character of the site, Mr. Peterson
stressed, presented a development problem and indicated methods that
development of the site should be done. Mr, Peterson noted that the
Hipp proposal is in conformance with the initial work on Edenvale's
PUD application. Its density of 5.8 units ,per acre is in conformance
with* the approved PUD concept plan.
Mr. Miller, representing Mr. Hipp, explained the site plan to the
Commission. The primary emphasis was on :phase I that was detailed,
showing 26 attached townhouse units in 'the 4.7 acre site at a density
of approximately 5.5 units per acre. The units themselves have the •
ability to step up hill or step down hill, thereby providing for the terrain
changed on the site with minimum grading. The private street leading into
the first phase project is a cul-de-sac that is shaped in an "L" with a
65 foot diameter turn around in the center.
As pointed out in Mr. Peterson's presentation, the proximity to the Edenvale
.., trail system, which runs through the center of the site, connects the site
to the other systems of Edenvale. The area is heavily wooded and will
provide separator for the various units from one another very well.
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Questions:
Don Sorenson asked about the preservation of the natural site and the fact
that it is heavily wooded, if this development would infringe upon and
change t1he character of the site. It was not felt that this development
would change the character of the site.
There was a question of emergency vehicle access to the site and ,rhether
the strut systems proposed would be adequate. Mr. Miller expressed the
feeling that the street would be more than adequate with a 66 foot diameter
turn around provided in the center of the project. Other members of the
Commission expressed some concern over this point.
The recreational vehicle storage area in Phase I which has 3, 10 x 20 foot
spaces provided at the far end of the cul-de-sac was sufficient space for
storage of vehicles. The planner noted in this case that the standard that
we. have been using has been one space for ten units in multiple development
te, this point. Admittedly, this is an estimate since there is very little
• .factual data available to support any number. Mr. Miller pointed out an
additional fact that the area is providing 112 parking spaces with each unit
having a two-car garage attached.
Mr,, Sorenson moved and Mr. Brown seconded the motion to refer the Hipp
Construction proposal to the staff for report and recommendation.
Mr. Peterson, representing Edenvale, requested that the Planning Coommission
set a heating date at this time because of the short construction season,
timing of this proposal, and small scale so that it could move with relative
quickness through the .procedures.
III. Recommendd tion s and Reports.
A. Russell Marsh and Midwest Terminals, Inc. proposal for PUD aaprox ••
matelsy 137 acres between Baker Road and Interstate 494.
The staff recommendation was submitted at this meeting and discussed frith
the Village Manager going through the recommendation point by point. The
previous meeting, April 18th, was spent discussing the first section of the
recommendation which analyzed the project based upon the provisions in the
zoning ordinance for PUD. developments. The additional part of the recom-
mendation that we reviewed was an analysis by the :staff of various compon-
ents of the project and its impact on taxes, traffic, density, etc. Mr. Hite
in explaining the recommendation in detail, noted the numerous specific
points such as the provision of open space, the developable acreage vs.
number of units, and alternative to the clustered multiple housing approach
using strictly single family detatched relatively expensive homes. Evalu-
ation of the Costs of utili':;? systems to the area, traffic projections and a
compariosn of cost based upon this development's produced assessed value
ors, that of a comparable single family development on the same site,
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Mi. Hite mentioned the uniqueness of the building types and the way that
they were tailored to thi terrain and recommendations regarding eac►i
section of the proposal. For example, 'the midwest terminals multiple
is located next to Baker Road, might mTell be deferred for further
stud-r based upon the location and also the possible provision of community
service facilities at a later date.
After reviewing the planning report and the recommendations, it was noted
that since the Commission has not had opportunity to look over this Final
report and that their recommendation at this time was not critical. 'Yho
public hearing could be held at the Forest Hills School for the Council
*without the Planning Commission's recommendation, recommepdations no+rld
be; mach at the naxt meeting, May 16, 1972.
Mr. Brown moved that the Russell-Marsh and Midwest Terminal's PUD
Proposal be recommended for approval with the stipulations and recommen-
dations contained in the staff report. Mrs. Schee seconded that motion.
Some members of the Commission expressed concern that they have not
• to thoroughly go over the staff report and wanted an additional two weeks
to revie. the proposal in lite of the recommendations. Mr. Sorenson
moved, Mr. Nesbitt seconded, an alternative motion that asked acting on
the Marsh-Midwest proposals would be deferred to the next Planning
Commission meeting. Mr. Fosnocht called for a vote and it was a four to
four tie on Mr. Sorenson's motion.
After further discussion of the merits and timing, Mr. Sorenson moved,
seconded by Mrs. Schee, to table the Marsh-Midwest proposal ur.til
the next meeting since it would not adversely affect the scheduled public;
hearing at Kings Forest School, May 9, 1972. The motion was pas:2d.
B. Mr. Nesbitt moved and was seconded by Mrs. Schee that the Council
set a public hearing on the Hipp's Townhouse Proposal in Edenvale P UD
for May 23rd public hearing of the Council. The motion gassed.
IV. The next scheduled Planning Commission meeting of May 16th, due to a
conflict in scheduling at the Village Hall, will be held in an alternate
location to be deterinin:,d within the next week. Also, a staff report on
the Hipp's Townhouse Pro posal in Edenvale should be mailed to tho Planning
Commission five days beirre the next meeting.
The meeting '%pas adjourned at iu;90 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Wayne dr,-)wn