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Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday October 22, 1979
7: 30 PM, City Hall
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman William Bearman , Liz
Retterath , Oke Martinson, Matthew
Levitt . George Bentley, Hakon '
Torjesen, and Virginia Gartner t
STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Planning Director;
Jean Johnsongf.�sistna-t Planner;
Jeanie Ohnsorg, Planning Secretary
Pleuge of Alieginace - Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA. j
II . APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 24, 1979.
II1 . MEMBERS REPORTS.
IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS:
A. GONYEAs PUD, request for PUD Concept approval for 37 acres
for duplexes , elderly hausing, offices, and resta!irant
uses. A continued public hearing. (proponent has requested
continuance to Nov. 129 1979)
B. COR INVESTMENTS OFFICE, by CCR Investments Inc. Request to rezone
4 acres from Rural to Office. Located South of TH 5 and West of
SA Station. A public meeting.
C. SUTTON FIRST, By Michael Sutton. Request to preliminary
plat- 5 acres zoned R1-22 for 6 single family 1 ots.
Located west of Baker Road and South of Theresa Place.
A public hearing.
D. OVERLOOK PLACE, by hustad Dev. Coro. and Zachman Hcmes
Inc. Request to rezone 10 acres from Rural to R1-13.5 _
and preliminary plat single family lots. Located north `
of Pioneer Trail and east of Yorkshire Place. A public
hearing.
E. VALLEY KNOLLS 2nd, By Marvin Anderson. Request to Pre-
iminary plat single family lots on 4.5 acres zoned RI -13.5
Located West of Duck Lake Road and North of Duck Lake
Trail . A public hearing.
F. PRAIRIE VILLAGE PROFESSIONAL, by Eagle Enterprises.
Request to rezone 4.4 acres from R1-22 to office and Rm 2.5
for a small office building and a 45 unit elderly apart-
ment. Located north of TH5 and West of Prairie Vii1age
Nall . A public meeting.
V. SOLD BUSINESS
VI. N W BUSINESS
VII . PLANNER'S REPORT s
3. Uncomi ng project
2. Council actions
11II:. ADJOURNMENT -
3 MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNIK C%IMISSION approved
Monday, October 22, 1979 7:30 PM City Hall
COWU SSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Liz Retterath, George Bentley, Matthew Levitt , Hakon
Torsesen, Virginia Garther
COMMIStION MEMBERS ABSENT. Chaiman William Bearman, Oke Martinson
STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger, Director of Planning
Jeanie Ohrsoi g, Planning Secretary
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ----- ROLL CALL
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
anner suggested approval of The agenda after it has been modified
according to the letter of transmittal .
Bentley inquired why the change of format.
The Planner replied that he felt that Gonyea, Cor Investmeiit and Prairie Village
Professional have a commdn denominator, that being the intersection of County
Road 4 and TH 5 and the traffic problems pertaining to that intersection.
Therefore the agenda should be altered to keep them f n ;;hat order.
• Levitt inquired whether or not the proponents had been notified.
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The Planner replied Affirmative.
MOTION: Bentley moved, Levitt seconded, to approvalthe agenda as modified
1.n the letter of transmittal . Motion carried unanimously.
II . APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 24 1979 MINUTES.
Considered under Old Business.
III. #1EMBERS REPORT
artner brie ly reported on 212. She reported that there has been no
adoption of a route, but, they feel that they will reach a final decision
by their December meeting. Their meetings are the second and fourth
Wednesday of each month at 7:00 in the Carver County Court House in Chaska.
IV. "SPORTS AND RECOWiEDATIONS
A. CONY A PUD, request for PUD Concept approval for 37 acres fci•
duplexes, elderly housing, offices, and restaurant uses. A con-
tinued public hearing.
Proponent had requested a continuance.
Planner reported that the proponent has completed a traffic study
which illustrated the impact of this project on the intersection's
traffic flow. This study indicated that the intersection is approaching
unstable flow and with the addition of traffic from the Gonyea
P'.U.D., the intersection will almost be at a point of intoleralbe
delay. The intersection is rated on a letter basis of "A" through
"F" . '"Fr" being the worst. The traffic study showea the intersection
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of County Road 4 and TH 5 being a D}.
Mr. Levitt inquired whether the traffic study was done with con-
side.•ation of the development
The Planner replied, the intersection was first studied with out
consideration of the development giving the intersection a rating of
D+. It then included the consideration of the development, giving r
it a rate of 0-. a
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The Planner also said that the report recommends that TH 5 be
devloped into 4 lanes so that the traffic has additional stacking
on the through lanes allowing more "green tim," on the turn lanes
so that it' s not stacked u so deeply. The Highwa Ce artment s'-ated
that any improvements to the intersection at tf�is tip me would require
the developers help for financing. :
Joe Kissinger, 6601 Barberry Lane, Eden Prairie , MN stated that
he felt than a tast food restaurant was not an appropriate use
for this land and that he didn ' t feel that TH 5 should become a :
fast food stretch. He also stated that he would much rather see
something such as elderly housing go Into that area .
Joe Lawler, 7621 Ontarie,stated that he is concerned with the
drainage, and he wandered if dredging the Meadows outiot area
would help the drainage problem behind his house.
The Planner repl ied that he would-check with the Engineering Department.
The Planne► also reported that he", suggested to the proponent that
they reintroduce the originally proposed elderly housing into the
piar in place of the offic4c building north of the restaurants.
NOTION: Levitt moved, Gartner seconded to continue the Goneya
public hearing to the November 12 meeting. Motion carried unani-
mously.
B. COR Investment Corp. , By Cor Investment Inc. Req!..est to rezone
4 acres from Rural to Office. Locatea South of TH 5 and West. of
SA station. A public hearing.
Lyle Folkstad site otanner 'for Cor Investment, gave a brief presentation
on the Cor Investment project explaining the problems with the parkinq
tot and parking lot lighting of their first plat. He then presented
their revised plat showing that after meeting with the staff they have
decided to scale the building down, which will require less parking
and allow more area for buffer around the site, and also reduce the
traffic impact.
• Levitt inquired why the Cor Investment Corp. had changed its land
use from a 48 unit housing development to a professional building.
Folkestad replied because of- lack of financing.
Retterath inquired about where and if there was going to be a frontage
road around that project site.
Plaitner replied that there has been some discussion about a front-
age road going around the west side of ;,he site,
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NOTION: Bentley moved, Gartner seconded, to conti niue the Cor
Investment Corp. public hearing to the November 12 meeting,
Notion carried Unanimously.
-C. PRAIRIE VILLAGE PROFESSIONAL, by Eagle Enterprises. bequest to
_ rezone 4.4 acres from R -22 to Office and Ri 2.5 for small office
building and a 45 unit eldeviy rtaient. Located north of TH 5
v nd writ of Prairie Village Ball . A public hearing.
Lance Norderhus gave a brief presentation on the proposed project
= and stated that after talking to the Planner they know revisions
must be made.
The Planner explained that the arrangement of eliminating the
western preimelter road of existing Prairie Village gall as a
second access to the Center by utilizing it as a bank drive-up was
a problem becaus of fire safety, elimination of parking and poor
- approach for the bank. He explained that by revising the plan to
have the drive-up facilit on either the north or south side of the
building '(on the E st end and moving the entire office building
west there would be more space provided for proper stacking of
cars approaching the drive-up bank, it would eliminate the problem
of fire safety, and the problem of parking.
Bentley inquired what was proposed for the northeast corner of the
- project site. ,
Norderhus replied, it is a wooded are and will be left open with
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not development at all .
Bentley inquired what bank was this drive-up facility for.
Norderhus repl iE ' Suburban Alationa1 ,
IOTIM: Bentley moved, Gartner seconded, to continue the Prairie
Vi'.lage Professional public hearing to the November 12 meeting.
Motion carried unanimously.
D. SUTTON FIRS, by Michael Sutton. Request to peel# nninary plat 4
acres zone R1-22 for 6 single family lots. Located west of Baker
Road and south of There." Place. A public hearing.
orlyn Miller, representing Mr. Sutton, gave a brief presentation
of the proposed project explaining the present zoning, and the -
mninq he is requesting. It has came to his attention that the
evert in this site which he thought was an Cutlet is actually an
j"!et end Servire a nnrtinn of tho A4*eh slnnn rAurty Read 4 nears
this site which brings water into the site. (here is also a par;;
of this development wh Bch is utilized by scnae of the surreimding
areas for water collection, although It is not a swamp and fs
basically dry land. He explained that hs has a grading plan which
ft foals wi l 1 solve this problem.
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Planner stated--that the existing Theresa Place R.O.W. is 60' ..
Front yard setbacks are taken from the R.O.W. In order for the
set backs and utility placements to be consistent there should
have 60' R.O.N. This request came from the Engineering Department.
Bentley inquired about lot sizes in terms. of depth. If Theresa
Place R.O.N. is widened then lot 6 will lose footage and cause
it to fall under 22,000 sq. ft.
Planner replied that the lot lines could be slightly adjusted to
wake the lots 22,000 sq. ft.
Levitt inquired what the zoniinq of the surrounding areas was.
The Planner replied R1-22. On the basis of the plat itself the
project meets the character of the surroundina area .
Levitt inquired whether the 50' radius on the cul-de-sac was
in compliance with the standard cul-de-sac.
The Planner replied that is the standard size for a cul-de-sac.
Levitt required whether it would be possible to have the cul-
de-sac made larger.
The Planner replied that the City Engineering department felt that
this was as large as a cul-de-sac needed to be.
Gartner reported that Don Peterson had some concern- about a path
that goes behind his home which the children use to get to school .
Mr. Miller replied that they could accommodate the pathway .
The Planner stated that this matter should probably be brought
up with the Park and Recreation staff.
Richard Jocobs, 6995 Mariann Drive stated that he has property west •
of Sutton first addition which is currently unsewered. He stated
that at the time of review on the Don Peterson proposal the City
assured him that future opportunities for sewer access would come
from the land currently under consideration as Sutton First.
Orlyn Miller, site planner fo Fir. Sutton, replied that a sewer
--- - easement between the western lots could be granted to allow
for future sewer access.
MTION: Gartner moved, Bentleyseeonded to close the public. hearing
on Sutton First. Motion carried unanimotisly.
MOTION: Gartner moved, Bentley seconded to recommend to the City
Council approval of the preliminary plat - dated 8-20-79 per the
staff report of 10- 16-79, subject to Park and Recreation looking
into the possibility of a pathway, Engineering reviewing the
sewer problems out lot and checking the drainage, particularly.
on W"t 4 and 5. Motion tarried unanimously.
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Torjesen was E. OVERLOOK PLACE, by Nustad Dev. Corp. . to Rl and al nnaHomes c.
excused at auest to rezone to acres from RuralP
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9:45 plat single 29 family lots. Located north of Pioneer Trail and
east of Yorkshire Point. A public hearing.
Planner explained that this item had previously been reviewed by
' the Planning Commission as 14 duplex buildings or 28 total units
and referred to the Council for approval . The City Counc i l sub-
sequentey revieied the request and felt that the duplex land use
was inappropriate as a transition between two single fa,>tily projects.
They, therefore, have referred this item back to the Planning Com-
mission. Hustad has since that time revised its plat to single
family units.
Dick Putnam gave a presentation explaining the size of the lots,
the number of lots and the grading plans for this project. II*
also explainew that after talking to the Planner there was some
concern over the amount of trees to be cut for the development
of this project. Therefore Putnam reviewed the site plan and
found that the tree line hdd been drawn incorrectly and that they
mould not be. coUtting as many trees as Anticipated.
the Planner reported that the staff recommends that the area shown as
e park be graded with berms and a totiot installed according to
Community Service Department reccxemendati ons, the cash park fee
be paid at time of building permit issuance on all 29 lots , there
be resolution to the satisfaction of the City Engineering Dept.
of the drainage and sanitary sewer utility questions. Side yard set-
back variances of 5' garage side and a 10" living side be limited
to lots 1 - 7 block 1 and lots 1 - 10 Block 2, the request for no
garages at initial construction be limited to lots 1 - 7 Block 1
and lots 1 - 10 Block 2 and that foundations and block up to a
sill plate for a garage be installed as an attached portion of the
house at the tire of initial construction. The project must
be reviewed and approved by the Riley-Purgatory Creek Watershed
District prior to grading.
Bentley asked whether there had been any plans for a pathway
which Mould allow access to the totiot for the children at the
bottom of the hill .
Levitt inquired why lots �ere a»pwrmd ar, o,e twl-de-sac, when in
the past, projects were not allowed to have more than 3 lots fronting
on a single cul-de-sec. He noted that if the house did not have
garages there would be -no alternative other then to park in the
cul-de-sac.
Dick Putnam, Hustad Developf nt. Coro, reolied that only 4 of the
-,lots really have access to the cul-de-sac, The balance of the
of the lots would access onto straight roads .
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Befitl ey i nqu i red why there was a reca 'enda t i on to allow lots 1 - 10
block 2 to not have garages.
Planner replied that the staff felt that the lots on the top of the
hill could be a neighborhood similar in character to Yorkshire Point.
Bentley stated that he felt that Phere would be less transitions with lots
e-10, Block 2 all without garages. He felt this reinforced the image of
small home on small lots. He felt that a better transition would occur if
only the western lots adjoining Yorkshire Point were given a garage_ option.
The remainder of the lots-- in the Bevelpment would be required to have garages
accordi nq to ordinances
Stewart Loper, 9506 Woodridge Circle, Eden Prairie, MH, felt that
there was a definite need for a totlot for this area. He a',en stated
that he would prefer to see the houses custom built with gar;,ges.
Dick Putnam, Hun tad Corp, replied that the lots had not yet i een sold
therefore, he had rto.way in knowing whetiter or not the hones would be
custom built.
John Kelly, 5976 Yorkshire Lane, Eden Prairie , MN fel' there should
not only be a totlot but also a park for the older children. He also
agreed with Mr. Loper that the houses should have garages or atleast
garage options.
Carolin Koschinska, 9379 Creekwood Drive, Eden Prairie. M. stated that
she thought there shoud definitely be some type of pathwy that world
lead to the park or totlot.
Planner replied that currently the Community Services Staff is invest-
igating the possibility of a mini park site to serve the Creekwood
area east of Creekwood on The Preserve property.
John Kelly, 5976 Yorkshire Lane, expressed his concern of the sin of
the lots.
Greg McCormick 9449 Woodridge Drive; Eden Prairie. iiii also stated his
concern of the size of the lots.
Pat Dial qui st, 9500 Woodridge Drive, Eden Prairie. M *XPMs"W that
she also was concerned about the totlot. `
Y ny,. . :. y...+. ..r t"A r_sy*. er mnvvsd, gentler seconded to close the sublic
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bearing. Notion carried unanimously.
MT ION: Gartner moved it Bentley seconded to recamiend to the City
Council the tvzoni ng from RM 6.5 and Rural to Rl-13.S for orerlook
- Mace per the staff report dated 10-17-79.
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Levit stated that he felt all- the homes should have garages.
Bentley then suggested that the motion be amended to read Cw. nission
recommend to the City Council the rezoning fray RM 6.5 and Rural to
F.1- 13. 5 for Overlook Place per the staff report dated 10-17-7q with
the change that only lots 1 - 7 Block 1 be allowed the garage as an
option. The balance of the lots would be required to have a garage
according to city ordinances. Mover accepted amendment. J
VOTE: Carried 3-1
G. VALLEY KNOLLS 2nd, By Marvin Anderson. Request to preliminary plat
single family—lots on 4, 5 acres zoned R1-13.5. Located west to Duck
Lake Trail . A public hearing.
Mr. Fred Haas, Anderson Construction, gave z presentation explaining
fiat in 1972 Valley Knolls was rezoned from Rural to R1 -13.5 and
preliminary platted into 49 lots. - In 1973 a portion of that addition
(39 lots) was preliminary and final platted, The present request for
preliminary plat -approval will complete the -platting* and will include
jiving Mrs. Miska approximately 15 feet on the south side and 20 feet
on the north side of her property, in order to a i l ow her platting of
three of the thirteen lots being requested.
1t a Planner reported that the staff feels that the plat should be revised
so that each lot meets the requirement of 13,500 square feet, that the
developer work with the Engineering Dephrtment regarding number and
location of service hook-ups Payment of cash park fez at time of
building permit application would be required, and the developer submit
gradinq and development plans to the Aline Mile Creek Watershed District
for review and approval .
Levit` inquired what the density of the 13 acres would be.
Planner replied that there would be 3 units per acre.
Levitt inquired why the whole develupm-iient was not platted at the
sam time.
Planner replied that it was not platted because the utilities had not
been installed along Duck Lake Roau. -
Glen Olson, 1700 67th St W. , Eden Prairie, Mn, stated that he is con-
cerred about the cutting down of the oak trees on 1of 7, and ft drainage
of cSte area. He states' that he felt that there should be a definite
grading plan and that the grading should be supervised to insure that
it is done correctly. He also stated that he is concerned about the
amount of traffic that will be generated after Deck LaKe Road 'is paved.
George Kissinger, 6601 barberry Lane, ;den Prairie, HN voiced his
• concern of the oak trees on lot 7.
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Bentley inquired whether Mrs. Miska had signed any type of an •agree-
sent to preliminary plat her property or that she would accept any
special assessments or that she wishes to sell her land to Harv:n
Anderson.
Planner replied Mrs. 11iska had not sicated an application for preliminary
plat and thLt the petition for improvement of Duck Lake Road hid cam
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from Marvin Anderson Construction and the developers of High Trail
Estates.
Fred Haas ; Marvin Anderson Construction, stated that in, 1972 they had
this land preliminary platted. The size of the lots were made smaller
dt fiat i� to Nr'uv We nUr-e Spdcp TOr a Dark
Glen Olson, 1700 67th St. W. Eden Prairie, irquired if there .really
where any assessment on Mrs. Miska land.
Planner replied he was not fami 1 i ar with the assessments on the land
and would check with the Engineering Dept.
MOTION: Gartner moved, Bentley seconded to close the public; hearing
on Valley Knolls 2nd. Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION: Gartner moved to deny 'Valley Knolls request to preliminary
plat. Motion d;ed because of lack of .a second.
MOTION: Bent?ey moved, Levi tt seconded to recommend approva i of Val 1 ey 'Knol 1 s
2nd preliminary plat dated 9-24-79 based upon the staff report dated
10-9-79, contingent upon a signed contract between Elaine Miska and
Marvin Anderson Cnnstr-uction stating that the parcel to be conveyed to
Elaine Miska from Marvin Anderson Construction according to the pre-
liminary plat dated 9-24-79 be free and clear of existing assessments.
Motion carried 4 - 0.
V. OLD BUSINESS '
Minutes of October 22. 1970, P. 2 Motion 4, line 2 Omit the word "an" .
P.4. final Paragraph, vote should read (Tor,iesen and Bentley voting aye)
(Martinson, Levitt, 6earman, and Retterath voting nay) . P. 5 Motion should
be added betwe-:?n the third and fourth notion and should re%
MOTION d: Bearman moved, Bentley seconded to recommend to the City
Council approval of the Hidden Glen P.U.D. concept as per the 9-24-79
plat and the staff report of 9-21-79 with the following change: That
the northern smaller- lots not have a garage requirement, but that the
southern lots where no garages had been requested be developed with the
initial buyers option of having garages built or not. The motion was
defeated 2:4 (Bearman, Bentley voted aye; Martinson, Retterath, Torjesen
and Levitt voted nay) .
VI. NEW BUSINESS
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VII. ADJOURNMENT
Levitt moved, Bentley seconded to adjourn at 1 : 15.
Notion carried.