Planning Commission - 09/24/1979 AGENDA
PLANNING COMMISSION
MONDAY, SEP i EMBER 249 1979 :.
30 PM. , CITY HALL
COMMISSION ! ERS: Chd i rman William Bearman, Liz Retterath,
Oke Martinson, Matth" Levitt,Virginfa
Gartner, Hakon Torjesen, and George
Bentley.
STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Director of Planning
Jean Johnson, Assistant Planner
PLEDG` OF ALLEGIANCE - ROLL CALL
Estimated
Time PM.
7: 30 I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
7:35 II . APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 109 1979
7:40 III . KQ1BERS REPORTS
IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. SHADY OAK INDUST►:IAL PARK 3RD & 5TH ADDITIONS, by Richard W. Anderson
Weques to rezone From Rural to 1-2 Park,�Wicres for approximately
9 industrial lots: and approval of Environmental Assessment
Worksheet. Located SW of new Shady Oak Road construction. A
continued public hearinq,
8-015 B. MICHELANGELO GARDENS, by Rembrandt Enterprises, Inc. Requaat .for
PUD Conceceptapprova-T for medium • hi density residential on-.:6
acres located fast of US 169/212 and north of Nine Mile Croek.
A continued public hearing.
8:20 C. HIDDEN GLEN, request by Zachman hones for PUD Concept approval of
single Faimlly detached on approximately 125 acres. A
continued putlic hearing. _
3:45 D. MENARD 2N0 ADDI-�ION, by Merard, Inc. . Request to rezone from ,Rural
o • eg- er and preliminary plat 1 .06 acres for a Crown Auto'- Store. "
Located north of T.R. 5 and west of proposed MMenard, -itore. A public
hearing.
9:20 V. OLD BUSINESS -
YI . NEW BUSINESS
VII . PLANNER'S REPORT
9: 5 �/v I I I . ADJOURNMENT - _
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION approved
+Monday, September tember 24 ,1979 7:30 PH City Hall
C0144ISS ION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman wi l l i am Bearman, George Bentley, Matthew
Levitt, Hakon Torjesen, Liz Retterath, Oke Martinsm
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Virginia Gartner
• STAFF PRESENT: Chris Eiger, Director of Planning
Jean Johnson, Assistant Planner '
Jeanie Ohnsorg, Planning Secretary
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ' -- ROLL CALL ,
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he .iQ %APPROVAL OF AGENDA
nt ey moved Martinson seconded, to approve the agenda as submitted.
Notion carried unanimously.
II. APPROVAL OF THE SEPT. 10, 19i9 MINUTES
Considered underOld- Business.
III. MEMBERS REPORTS '
None
IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A,Shady Oak Industrial Park 3rd b 5th Additions , by Richard W. Anderson.
Request to rezone from Rural to 1-2 Park, 30 acres for approximately
9 industrial lots, and approval of Envi ron•t n cal Aii-a3s�?r�t worksMe2 2•
Located SW of new Shady Oak Road construction. A continued public hearing.
The Planner informed the Commission since the Sept. 10th meeting at which a
the developer agreed to pursue residential multiple upon the southern 1i �
of the 5th Addition, the beveleper met with City Staff and has revised the
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development plan back to all industrial lots as t is believed some of the
lots can adequately be served. by West 70th Street (cul-de-sated) . He rEfer-red r
the commission to the letter from Dick Anderson dated Sept. 12, 1979 1
outlining the' present request for all industrial upon the 3rd A 5th Additions. �
The Planner then reviewed the revised staff report dated Sept. 21 , 1979
summarizing the recommendations as follows: no variances be allowed, screening
as per ordinance need to submit detailed grading lam prior to council
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consideration, iccess along the •souther✓. boundary to be provided to connc-ct
the residential projects of Briarfield and Rermbrandt,* elimination of joint
loading/parking areas, no outside storage, review and approval by the
%4_1 0 I.wd .A:•*e 4 n♦. and full mat w•a.os* o f t� -Cath park fee
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Mr. Bentley rated that the 2nd ponding area was not delineated as an outlot
upon the preliminary plat and that the road right-of-way conflicts with the
building setback.
Mr. Richard Anderson, developer, stated he old meet all screening requirements I
and work with the staff on grading elevations and screenin Z of the Rembrandt F
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residential from the industrial park. Mr. Anderson voiced his oppostion to
elimination of the joint parkins'loading areas proposed as the 2 lots will be
under one cwpr.-.•rship. lie requested the commissivrt approve the Joint parkins/
loading areas for lots 1 a 2, 3rd addition, and lots 3 of the 2nd b 3rd additions,
as they will be under the same owner.
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Planning Commission Minutes -2- Sept, 24, 1979
C-evittinquired why the multiple residential use Was withdrawn and what impact
industrial uses will have on Rembrandt's residential, The Planner
responded the staff deternlined that the road systems and industrial uses pro-
posed will work and any adverse visual impact the industrial• ray have upon the
residential will be carefully evaluated in the landscape and grading plans.
Greg, Demonceau, architect for Rembrandt, stated his preference for multiple
residential use upon the southern hof the 5th addition as it will assist in
buffering and will contribute to the cost of the southern access road.
Bentley noted that the revised staff report states all lots within the 3rd
and 5th Addition neet the minimun lot size of the I-5 District., but that the
revised plats depict lots of 3 and 4 acres in size. The Planner responded that
the revised staff report is based on the previous plats and that the revised
plats, 9/18/79, contain.lots meeting or exceeding the I-2 District.
Motion
Bentley moved, Retterath seconded, to close the public hearing on Shady Oak
Industrial Park 3rd b 5th Additions Motion carried 6-0.
Motion2
nt ey moved, Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of
the finding of No Significant impact in the Shady- Oak Industrial Park EAW dated
9%1979.
OMotion 3
Bentley roved, Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of
the rezoning from Rural to I-2 Park as per the plans dated 9/18/79 and the staff
report of 9/21/79. Mut ion Carried 6-0.
Notion 4
Bentley moveo, Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of
the preliminary plats of the 3rd b 5th Addition dated 9/11/79 with additional
recomwndationsas follows:
inat lots l and ?. Addition 3; and lot 3 of Addition 3 and
lot 3 of Addition 2. * combined for the purpose of
combining entrance to these new lots via a single driveway
because of single ownership.
Further recommend that easements f%-.r right-of-way on the
southwest corner and southeast corner cf the 5th Addition
be included complete with proper setbacks, and that the
southern storm drainage pond (jointly shared with 1.eP_,rc)
be set aside as an outlot,
i%tion carried 6-0.
Wr. Anderson stated he isinlM agreemr.,nt with the Cosmaission's recomwndations.
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approved
Planning Cow.ission Minuses -3- Sept, 24, 1979
S. Michelangelo Gardens PUD, by Rembrandt enterprises, Inc. Request for PUD
concept approval for ium to hi density residential on 36 acres located
A& East of US 169/212 and north of Nine lisle Creek. A continued public hearing.
The Planner reviewed the staff report on the PULE request noting that access ,,
grading, unit type, number of unity, and an EAw will all receive close evalua-
tions at time cf project rezoning.
!fir.• Demonceau, architect for Rembrandt , staged he is in general agreement with �I
the staff report and will work with the City staff and adjacent landowner's to
develop access. I
Mr. Bentley inquired if public transit is available to the site, The Planner
replied negative.
Mr Levitt asked how the Shoreland Management Ordinance would effect this
proposal . The Planner replied the project proposed at time of rezoning would
be evaluated according to all ordinance requirements.
Motion 1 :
oe;sen moved, Levitt seconded, to close the public hearing on the Rembrandt
PUD. Motion carried 6-0.
• Motion 2:
oriesen moved, 'Martinson seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of
the Michelangelo Gardens PUD Concept based upon the 8-3149 plan and the staff
report dated 9-20-79. Motion carried 6-0.
C. HIDDEN GLEN, request by 2achman Homes for PUD Concept approva l of single family !!
detached on approximately 125 acres. A continued public hearing,
The Planner reported the revised PUD Concept plan responds to the staff's and t
commission' s previous concer s in that the concentration of smaller lots has
been divided into two areas , a mini-totlot has peen added, and the nark area t
has been enlarged. He stated that the staff -is reconnending the sou-thern most r
area of small lots (72 x 125) be approved with ga maes ; and the proponent desires
approval of that area with medium sized lots (82 x 165) without garages instead ,
The Planner then reviewed the revised road system suggested by the staff which 1�
attempts to preclude through traffic from TH 101 to Dell Road but would facilitate
movement of traffic within the neighborhood. The road is recommended as 60 foot
right-of-way with a sidewalk along one side.
The Planner then stated the increase in size of the neighborhood nark allows
additional frontage on a public street, and that if the developer grades and
enlaryoe tti` r�"k a fto ae rc ewm-nondod by the cuff= that the cash park fee pay-
ment could be. wa i ved if approved by the Counsi l .
Levi tt i nnui red how many lots are within the revised c6ricept plan. The
developer, Mr, Zachman, responded approximately 228-11n.
Levitt then asked if Mr. 7.achman would be constructing the portion of Dell
Road which bisects the project. Thr planner replied affirmative,
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Hidden Glen, continued
Mr Don Ness, site planner on the project, estimated the mini-park size at
1 .14 acres not the 1 .78 referred to on the plan and in the staff report, �.
and stated the 10 acre -neighborhood park size is also an estimation and subject •
to revision during development phase application, i
• Mr. Levitt •inquired how the proponent has responded to the Highway Department
letter regarding TH 101 . The Planner replied that.with the Highway Departments
of: Hennepin County, State of Minnesota, Eden Prairie, Minnetonka , Chanhassen, �
and Shorewoed, all involved in the road design, speed and geometries , that
it is difficult to speculate what the final outcome maybe.
Chairman Bearman asked if anyone in the audience had questions or comments. i
• None were raised. `
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Levitt asked the developer why no garages are being requested for some of the =
lots. Mr. Steve Ryan, Zachman Homes , replied the reduction in overall purchase i
price A down payment for the home allows approximately 15% more of the buyers '
to qualify for purchase. (i .e. , home/lot selling for $61 ,000 requires down
payment of $1 ,600; the addition of a garage increase the selling price to
approximately $66,200 which requires a down payment of $2,600. i
Bearman inquired what the monthly payment is for an approximate mortgage of
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$60,000 at 10%, Mr. Zac�man replied $600/month.
Levitt asked what size of homes Mr. Zachma n will be constructing. UcKman
repponded the basic plans are 864 6 960 square feet. +
Steve Ryan stated that although the request is for the possibility of some homes =
to be constructed without garages, the buyers still have ` the option to purchase ;
a garage with a home.
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Mr. Dick Feerick spoke in favor of the proposal and the request to allow some
homes to be built without garages as it will fill a void in the housing market ;
which is between $70,000-100,000 today. I ,
Motion i •
or esen moved, Bentley seconded, to close the pubic hearing on the Hidden Glen i
OUP. Motion carried 6-0.
Motion 2:
arjesen moved, Bentley seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the �
Hidden Clan DIM ro^"rt �� M :i�c j+�cii �otic� n ##A In a+iv 60% 3;4,%0� i al:ir: we �
9-21-79 replacing recomlrendation #5 with the following; "that the southern seller �
lot area (72 x 125) be revised to medium sized lots (82 x 165) with no variances
and the option of no garage.
Discussion:
Bentley asked if the Minnesota Dept. of Transportation' letter of 9-10-79# the _ j
Minnetonka letter of 8-21-79 and 8-9-79 could be attached to the motion. The
addition was accepted by the mover anal seconder. ,
Vote: Motion failed 2:4 (TorJesen b Bentley votinv aye) (:Martinson. Levitt,
Rettera+th and Bearman voting nay)
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Planning Cou ni ss i on Minutes - - Seat. 14,1979
'idden Glen PUB, Motions continued.
tion 3:
ev3tt moved. Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
Hidden Glen PUD Concept as per the 9-24-79 plan and the staff report of 9-21-:9 With
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the following change to #5 in the Yecomnenda ti ons: All small -lots (72x125) would be
required to have garages in the initial construction phase. Motion failed 2:4 #
(Retterath, Levitt voted aye) ( Martinson, Bentley, Beaman & •Torjesen voted nay)
Bearman relinguished .chair to Retterath.
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fOJ.M& 4: Bearman moved, Bently seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval
of the Hidden geln PUD concept as per the 9-24-79 plan and the staff report of 9-21 -79
with the following change: that the morthern smaller lots not have a garage require- !
event; but that the southern lots where no garages had been renuested be devc'ooed With
the initial buyer's option of havin garages built or not. The motion was defeated '
2 - 4. (Bearman, Bently voted aye) ?Martinson, Retterath, Toroeson and Levitt voted
nay)
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Chair back to Bearman. !
Torjesen moveds Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of
the Hidden Glen PUD Concept as per.- the plan dated 9-24-79 t'he staff report of
9-21-79, and the letters outlined in Motion 2. Motion tied 3:3 ( Torjesen,
Wmtley b Bearman voting aye) (Levitt, Martinson b Retterath voting nay)
Levitt stated the lotting concept is acceptable, but bel i eves the ordnance require-
ment of oarages reflects the community's desire to have homes constructed with
garages. -
p, Menard 2nd .Addition, by Meriard , Inc. , Request to rezone from Rural to C-Reg-Ser
and preliminary plat 1 .06 acres for a Crown Auto Store. Located north of TH 5
• and West of proposed Menard Store. A public hearing. �
Dan Johnson, Suburban Engineering, Presentee the request. He outl iiied the project's
location, proposed berming, access circulation, location cf utilities , and stated some
of the trees along the north and northwest sides of the lot will be retained.
Mr. Bob Schulz, Crown Auto Stores, Inc. . reported that the building
constrictionwould be similar to stores constructed in Wisconsin having face brick on
the i Foci' sheet steal over . Gov i'i a.+ on he o+'her 3 s i des a a:Wa a mznsord r=f
similar to the one approved for the Menard building. ;
The Planner reviewed the staff report which recommend& approval but no variance from
City ordinances , and added that the staff was unable to evaluate a pedestrian circu-
lation system as the surrounding uses are unknown. }
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Otary Prochaska , Menard Inc . . stated the proponent is also 'reques t ing outside storage
area for tires and trash containers. '
Bearman did not feel enough has been done on the site to preserve the e:Astirq
trees.
Brarm,in asked if any one in the audinnce ' had questions or comments. None were
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Planning Ca.. i ss i on Mi nutes -6. Sept. 24 1979
Odition
tion l: A th seconded, to close tI:e pLb?:: hear;na on Plenar-d 2nd
cyved, Rttera Motion carried 6-0.
Motion 2: ved Retterath seconded, to recom^�end to the t-i ty ;&uncil approval of the
Went ey ma _ c„� r,.r +hp I n6 arrPS as ter the staff report of
rezoning from Ru rd � to . ... - - - - ------------ .
_ 5-20-79 with emphasis on reco-. , enda ti on No. 1 "That the building be dcvel o�ca in
onformance with all City Ordinances" . Motion Carr-i e4—i�'with Bearman voting
nay. '•
Menard 2nd, motions continued t'
Motion 3:
Bentley moved, Retterath- secoded, to recommend to the City Council approval +�
of the preliminary plat date -26-79 as per the staff report of 9-20-79
with special emphasis on recommendation No. 1.
Discussion - •
Bearman Stated his disapproval -of the original Menard plan; and his negative vote
on the 2nd Addition because of the requests for outside storage, removal of too
many tree, lack: of support given to the numerous commission recommendations , and
the nu-.ioer of variances needed. .
�'ote:
tion carried 4:2 with Beaman and TorjJesen v •voting nay.
OLD BUSINESS
Minutes of September 10, 1979. -P. 1 , III , 6, Motion, should read - . , , to recinTnend
the Co mii ssian deci i ne to review future development proposals of proponents who are in �
non-co�mpllance of Developers Agrements as brought to our attention by staff, '
Martinson moved, Bently seconded to approve the minutes as written Z corrected. '
-Motion carried 6-0.
�I. NEW -BUSINESS +
Hakon Tor,esen inform-ad the Commission he may be requesting a 5 month leave
of a!�sence. The Com- ission members expressed their preference that rir. Torjesen
be granted a leave of absence and not be replaced.
Notion
nt ey moved, Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council that Hakon
Torjesen be al 1 aired to take a 5 month leave of absence from the Planning Commi ss i on
in the event it becomes necessary. Motion carried 5:0: 1 with Torjesen abstaining.
III. ADJOLIRWEINT
Retterath moved, Bentley seconded, to adjourn at 11:27 PM.
tion carried.
Respectfully submitted, -•
Jean Johnson M