Planning Commission - 03/12/1979 :
AGENDA
Eder, Prairie Planning Com iss�ion
Mlonday,, Phi rch 12s 197E
7:30 PM!! 'C1ty Hall
C ISSIf.3 M. ZER S Will iam Bearmar., Liz Rttterath,
Oke Martinson, fABtthew Levitt, Gewe
ptley, Nakao Torjesao, ad Virginia
Gartner
STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Pfahning Director;
Jean Juhnsun, Assistant pl awmr;
Dmna Stanley, Planning Secritary
Estimated
Times: Pledge of allegiance Roll Call
7:30 PM I. SWEARING IN OF C"ISSION MEMBERS H_ AKOH TORJESEN AND VIRGINIA
7:35 II. ELECTION OF OFFICERS
A. Chairperson
B. Vice-Chairperson
C. Secretary
III . APPROVAL OF AGENDA
7:50 IV. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF FEB. 26a 1979
V. REPORTS AND REC"ENDATIOMS:
7:55 k Saint Andrew Lutheran Church Wiest to rezone ';- 5 acres from
Rural to PUBLIC for zrnstructVon of a church building. The
site is located wit:,; the Edenvale PUD, in the northwest
quadrant of the intersection of Valley View k*d and Mitchell
Road. Continued public meeting from February 26, 1979.
8: I0 S. 01 . tic Hills Sixth Addition ,by Olympic Pills Corporation 4
and The Preserve. Request to rezone approximately 67 acres from
Rural to R1--13. 5, prel iml'nary plat approval of 89 single family
lots and 7 outlots upon the entire Ail acre site, end approval
of Environmental Assessm t Mbrksheet. The site is located wst
of the Olympic Hilts Clubhouse, east of Sunnybrook Road, and
south of Nail Le"r.e, Continued r4 13c firing f vo F*broiry 26,
1979.
8:20 C. Alpine Estates 2nd addition request to preliminary plat 2 lots
zoned - oca�at the end of Alpine Trail. A public hearing.
Applicant, Timothy Gagner.
V 1 . PETITIONS ARD RE tIESTS
A. High Trail Estates , by Countrysidt Investment Inc . i�e"t to rezone
40 acres rom Rural to R1- 13. 5 and preliminary platting of 76 single
family hce*s. Located north of Duck Lake Tesil between Duck Lance
Road and 168th Avenue West. A public meetfng. Public hearing to
be held March 26, 1979. _
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
MINUTES
,.approved
MONDAY , MARCH 12, 1979 7 :30 PM, CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS PREStNT: William Bearman, George Bentley,
Virginia Gartner, Mattnew Levitt,
Oke Martinson , Liz Retterath, Hakon
- , Torjesen
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger, Director of Planning ;
Jean Johnson , Assistant Planner;
Donna Stanley, Planning Secretary
Pledge of Allegiance - Roll Call
I . SWEARING IN OF COMMISSION MEMBERS HAKON •TORJESEN AND VIRGINJA
GARTNER
Chris Enger, Director of Planning , administered the Oath of Office to
.the two new Planning Commission members , Hakon Torjesen and Virginia Gartner.
II . ELECTION OF OFFICERS
MOTION: Retterath moved to P lac.- Bearman ' s name ir domination for
Chainnan, seconded by Martinson. Bearman was elected unanimously.
MOTION: Bentley mover, to place Levitt' s name in nomination for Vice-
Chairman, seconded by Gartner.
Martinson placed Retterath' s name in nomination for Vice-Chairman ,
seconded by Torjesen. The vote was taken , with Retterath elected
4-3.
MOTION: Martinson moved to place Levitt' s name in nomination for
Secretary, seconded by Torjesen. E
Retterath placed Bentley' s name in nomination for Secretary. The
motion died for lack of a second, with Levitt elected Secretary un-
animously. _
III . APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA y
MOTION: Gartner moved to approve the agenda as published, seconded by
Bentlev. Motion carried unanimously.
IV. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 269 1979
MOTION: Retterath moved to approve the Minutes of the meeting of February 26,
1979 as published, seconded by Levitt. The motion carried 4-0-3, with Torjesen ,
Gartner, and Martinson abstaining.
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Planning Commission Minutes - 3 - Marchv12, 1979
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C. Alpine FCtatac Ind 8nr�;+ i yu:.� w lie ci ties 7iialY N1d1. G IOLs
zoned R -22. Located atthe end of Alpine Trail . A public hearing.
Applicant , '► imo+.ny Gagner
Mr. Timothy Gagner, proponent , expressed agreement with the staff re-
port recommendations on the road regardinq sewer and water. He explained
that there is existing black top from where the road stops at the lot ,
and the neighbors on each side : ,ve sodded up to this road. fie explained
that he would like to avoid putting in the road , and that the neighbors
would like to keep their sod.
Torjesen questioned the existing width of Alpine Trail . Ganer responded his
drive is 12' t the street is 28' and that the Enginperinq Department is
proposing a 28 street and a cul-de-sac.
Torjesen noted that according to the letter submitted , more development
is proposed. Gagner explained that he was planning to develop further in
a year.
The Planner pointed out that according to Engineering Department , there
will prooably be no other lots serviceable by sewer, and that
any further development would require a lift station , which is costly to
both proponent and to the City. He explained further that the City will
need road right-of-way as part of the plat.
Levitt questioned the turn-around recommended by the Engineering Department.
The Planner responded the recommendation was for City maintenance purposes .
Gagner asked whether a temporary cul -de-sac would have to be blacktopped and
gutter put in. The Planner responded that rolled asphalt could be used ,
which would eliminate the expense of concrete.
Mr. Gerald Prodeoh1 , 6951 Alpine Trail , City employee in the Maintenance
Department, explained that a dead end road is easier to plow than a cul -
de-sac.
Mr. Dwight S. Harvey, 16190 Alpine Nay, pointing-out his lot to the south
of the proposal , inquired whether much fill will be required on lot 2. and
also questioned the drainage. The Planner explained that considerable fill
may be required on the east side, and that the further east the house is
built, the more fill would be necessary. He explained Further that with the
steep down grade to the east, positive drainage flow should not be a problem.
Harvey questioned whether the front yard setback is taken from the street.
The Planner responded that the setback measurement would be taken from the
road right-of-way.
Martinson suggested putting in the road at this time, as it will not be
any less expensive later on, referring to Gagner' s plans to develop further.
He inquired how far in the future was the sewer planned for.
Gagner expressed concern that the road would have to be torn up in order to
put in the sewer and water. The Planner, stated that since sewer would -
be extended to the end of the road that the road would not have to be
torn-up fur sewer.
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Planning Commission Minutes - 5 - March 12, 1979
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Mr non McGlynn, Olympic Hilis Corporation, suggested moving the crossing
further to the west to the top of the hill .
Martinson suggested the use of signage warning of golf carts etc. . The
Pl apoer requested time to review the suggesti nns made.
Levitt inquired how this would affect the plat? Ringrose explained that
the outl ots wou 1 d be. transferred, with no change in lot lines and with the
same number of lots.
Toriesen inquired whether it would be a hardship for the proponent if the Planning
Coiwnission were to review it again. McGlynn answered affirmative ,and that
they have already lost a month.
The Planner pointed out that only one change has occurred in the realignment
of the golf course, noting that the purpose of the request was for the golf
course realignment.
McGlynr explained that the golf course has been in existence for 18 years , and
onz hole is unp= ayable SO1. of the time and would lake to correct this . They are
not in a hurry to build the houses. He agreed to comply with the grade crossings
so that it will be a prudent r:ay of getting their golfers through in a safe
manner through signage etc. .
Torjesen inquired how the proposed subdivision solves the problem of the golf
course. McGlynn explained it enables them to re-align the golf course , and that
more land is added.
Mrs. Ellen Koshenina , 1054 , E . Riverview Rd. , inquired about the park ded?':ation .
Ringrose e>:u? ained that Outiot G would be dedicated as part of the public :Pdica-
tion req-v" remer.4i of the Preserve PUD, and also land dedication along Neil Lake
dike as a passive Recreation area .
Mrs. Koshenina explained that she had looked at plans for the Homeward Hills Park
which would contain ball fields , tennis courts and other active play uses , and
suggested splitting the uses of these facilities . The Planner responded that .one
of the reasons the staff did not suggest any of these uses is that the project is
a long, narrow area. The Dark, she was referring to is a City park , and the Parks ,
Ro,rreation and Natural ResoJrces Department has denoted 5 or 6 acres south of
Sentex' s Ridgewood area for one or two ballfields.
The Planner explained that the staff is rPcom nding grade separated crossings
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- Ringrose ; Jigesfed prov'ding a plat profile with site distances , and move the path-
wiv as suc;ge-tcd by McGlynn, and if it does not meet the standards , the grade could be
adjuster! as a third option. Ve felt a compromise could oe reached with the staff.
_ PpTINV: Martinson moved to close public hearing on Olympic 11ilis , Sixth Addition.
Levitt s%:;rxsded, mot ion t artr led unanisrov;ly
. ,approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 7 - March 12, 1979
A. High Trail Estates, by Countryside Investment Inc. . . public meeting (cont' d)
Mr. Arvid Schwartz, Countryside Investment , Inc. presented the request ,
explaining that it is composed of three parcels of land. They want to
present their total plan, and feel it is consistent with the Coach Liaht
Manor development next to them. He explained that they have had neighborhood
meetings about various aspects- of their Flan. There will be a 1 . 2 acre
tot lot, and they have talked about the stdndinq water problem along Deck
Lake Trail and private property to the south and intend on resolving this. He
added that the company that owns lots along Duck Lake Road intends to uarticinate
in development ;Ad the up gradinq of Duck Lake Road.
Levitt requested that the Planner address the upgrading of Duck Lake Road
and the question of who would maintain the tot lot.
Mr. Schwartz responded that the tot lot would be deeded to the City.
Bentley inquired whether Pleasant View Drive would be of that name throughout
the development, noting the problem occurring in a similar situation with
Darnell Road . The Planner responded that the streets are named at the time
of final platting through a master list by the Engineering Department.
Torje:en asked what the overalldensity of the proposal was. The Planner ex-
plained 2 per acre, and there seems to be a wide range of sizes of lots in the
plan.
Searman asked how the residents could get to the tot lot. The Planner responded
that sidewalks would be suggested in the staff report.
Bentley asked about the problem of lots exiting along Duck Lake Road . The
Planner explained that 168th Ave and Duck Lake Road will be of the same status
and that they wi 11 not be col 1 ector roads .
MOTION : Retterath moved to continue High Trail Estates to March 26 , 1979.
Bentley seconded, motion carried unanimously.
B. Bluffs West Third and Fourth Additions , by Hustad Development Corp.
Request FUD concept approval , rezoning from Rural to R1 -13. 5. RM 2. 5 and
RM 6. 5; preliminary plat approval for approx'%mdtel y 640 units on 184 acres ;
and finding of no significant impact, EAW. A public hearing.
Mr. dim Ostenson, representing Hustad Development Corp. , presented the plan
composed of 640 units. inc.ludinn einalp family hnmPc ; dun7PxPc And guadraminiixn% .
He requested the direction of the Commission and recommendations for the project.
The plan is basically similar to the Bluffs West and Second addition , geographi - -
CAlly and marketably. Small lots would be located in the center, wericiiiq out-
wards with the larger lots. 162 acres would be dedicated to the City for park
land.
$es rm. r. questioned whet ,c r s r ted 8 S rya l t i p e i rU i s h this area was �e.� i na h t o
Plan. The Planner responded that neitht�r the 19US, nor the currrnt Guide Elan
Update show any medium density, but that it could come about through density
transfer.
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-approved
Planning Commission Minutes 9 - Larch 12 , 1979
B. Buffs West Third and Fourth Additions. . public hearing (cont'd)
MOTION: Bentley moved to continue Bluffs west Third and Fourth
Additions to the meeting of March 26, 1979. Retterath seconded ,
motion carried unanimously.
VII . OLD BUSINESS
A. Discussion of Meeting dates and time
Bentley requested copy of Ordinance 77-I.
There was general concensus that meeting dates and times continue
to be held the second and fourth Monday of each month at 7 :3u PH .
Commission members were in agreement that project materials , except staff
report., be sent to them ten days before the meeting they are to be con-
sidered.
Bentley ccinmented that the staff should not have to do the "lea work"
for the developer , and that it was the responsibility of the developer
to make information available.
VII; . NEW BUSINESS - None
IX. PLANNER' S REPORT
A. Discussion of Residential Mortgage_ Bonds
The Planner summarized what Municipal InJustriaf Development Bonds were &wha ,
the criginal -intent of the Bonds was. He explained that the City Council
has directed the Commissions to address the question : Should the City
consider use of M. I . B.D. s for any type of housing?
M.iyor Penzel expressed some of the thoughts of the Council , noting that
the City should be prepared to compete in this area if necessary.
The Mayor requested that the Planning Coinwission designate a date that
would be acceptable for a joint meeting with the City Council , to discuss
any topics of their choosing.
Bearman requested an Dutline of what the obl ;oations of the City would be
iA issuing these bonds . r
Gartner felt the City would by involved in financial matters t>rat would
better be handled through private enterprise.
Martinson agreed that the . City Should not be involved in finarking that
belongs to the private sector; theiv, would be more hour-:!.- ar.;i 4- rr ri t, i
A alreadyoverworked with projects and building is ring Yn-11 .
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MOTION : Torjesen *roved to recommend to the Covnc i 1 that they do tint pro-
ceed , under prese�it conditions ,, to provide residential mortgages .
Martinson seconded , ruction carried unanimously. -
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Planning Commission Minutes - 2 - March 12 , 1979
V. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS:
Saint Andrew Lutheran Church, request to rezone 3. 5 acre.; from
'Rural to PUBLIC for construction of a church building. The site is
located within the Edenvale PUD, in the northwest quadrant of the
intersection of Valley View Road and Mitchell Road. Continued public
meetine from February 26, 1979.
The Planner summarized the previous concern of the Planning Commission
regarding screening of the parking area , and the resolution of the �ro-
blem b_v the proponent and staff, and also after discussion with Mr. PptPr
Gisselbeck, owner of the condominiums to the north.
Mr. Berquist presented the revised plans , explaining the change in the
parking lot from a larVe flat lot to two smaller lots , an upper lot aad
and a lower lot at a 6 lower grade elevation. Mr. Gisselbeck had con-
curred with the part of the plantings that would occur on the condominium
property at the meeting with the developer and staff. Berquist explained
further that they did concur with the staff report addressing the question
of sci-eening.
Bentley asked whether the plantings would be 8 to 12 ' high in time to
screen the building? Berquist responded that the plan illustrates the
evergreens as 8 to 12' in height, and mould _peek approval from the owner
for that screening.
Torjesen inquired how the land would lend itself to extending into
Mitchell Road when the church grows and there is more need for parking.
Berquest explained that the third lot would have to be of a different
configuration than the other two lots , because of the obstruction by
the existing 24" water main lying under temporary Mitchell Road.
Martinson asked whether the plantings would be on both sides of the berm
as shown on the plan. Gerquist responded yes.
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MOTION : Levitt moved to recommend to the City Council aimroval of the re-
vised plan: dated March 8, 1979 based upon the staff reports of March 9 , 1979
and February 1 , 1979, with the following addition requested by Martinson
and accepted by Levitt: inclusion of evergreen plantings of 8 to 12' in
height at time of planting for effective screening of the parking area :
Retterath seconded, motion carried unanimously.
Torjesen pointed out that this point was included in the staff reports ,
and asked whether it was desirable to build in more assurances. The Planner
explained that it was good for clarification purposes.
The Cha i man ruled to consider the Alpine Estates, 2nd Addition proposal ,
as representative for the Olympic Hills proposal was not yet present.
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Planning Commission Minutes - 4 - March 12, 1979
C. Alpine Estates 2nd Addition . public hearing (cont ' d)
There was further discussion on the !seed for the turn around.
Mr. Harvey inquired which existing lots were granted variances for lot depth.
The Planner pointed-out various lots within the existing Alpine Estates plat
which had been platted less than the required 180 foot depth , including
Mr. Harvey' s lot 5.
MOTION: Bentle% moved to close the Public Hearing on she Alpine Estates
2nd Addition. Retterath seconded , motion carried unanimously.
MOTION #2: Bentley moved to recommend approval of the preliminary plat
dated February 15 , 1979 to the City Council , based upon staff report of
March 7 , 1979 and Engineering Memo of March 8, 1979 with the following
modifications : The cul -de--sac not be bu i - t, u^u the rood be ::;der.ec+ *o
a full 28 ' with 50' ROW and dead-ended . Martinson seconded, motion carried
unanimously.
B. Olympic Hills Sixth Addition , by Olympic Hills Corporation and The Preserve.
Request to rezone approximately 67 acres, from Rural to R1 -13. 5, preliminary
plat approval of 89 single family lots and 7 outlots upon the entire III
acre site, and approval of Environmental Assessment Worksheet. The site is
located west of the Olympic Hills Clubhouse , eist of Sunrybrook Road , and
south of Neil Lake. Continued public hearing from February 26, 1979.
The Planner summarized the previous action by the Planning Commission on the
proposal , and explained that the proponent has re-designed the road system
in such a w?v that would require less grading , although not as far south as
the location; suggested in the staff report.
Mr. Don Ringrose, of Bather, Ringrose , Jarvis , Gardner Inc. , representing
Ulynipi c Hills Corporation and Tile Preserve, presented graphics of the
revised plan, explaining that they have tried tc meet the concerns of the
City, They have agreed to concede that the proposed street will be Dublic .
rather than private as previously presented. The dike being dedicates to the
public for a trail connection is acceptable to the proponent , and they are
waiting to hear from the Department of Natural
Resources establishing the high water mark. They were not in favor of the
suggestions of the staff report on the central golf crossirg ,explaininq that they
:lave examined this point and found it unworkable to build a bridge or go
under the road. He questioned whether there really was a hazard, noting the
number of homes that would generate traffic, and felt the potential in terms
of conflict was relatively small .
The Planner agreed that it was a difficult situation, but felt that a 10% grade,for
the golf carts , in combination with the poor sight line distance to the west becaus
of the graded notLh created by the road , ad,:2d to the fact that the road is ccmin
to the bottom of a 5!2°� downgrade will be very unsafe.
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approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 6 - March 12 , 1979
B. Olympic Hills Sixth Addition. . . . continued public hearing
MOTION #2: Martinson moved to recommend to the City Council R.nnrn;fa l
of the rezoning from Rural to R1 -13. 5 as per the Preserve area plat , dated
1/12/79 and the Olympic Hills revised plat dated 3/8/79 and the staff report,
3 of March y, 1979 and February 8, 1979. Levitt seconded , motion carried
unanimously.
MOTION #3- Martinson moved to recommend to the City Council approval
of the preli nary plats dated 1 /12/79 and 3/8/79 and staff reports
of march 9 , 1979 and February 8, 1979 subject to the following
clarifications : DNR report ; resolution of central crossing in accordance
with Planning and Engineering staff review; with no construction of a
road or houses permitted until additional access to the west is available
and approved. Levitt seconded.
DI SCOSS I ON :
Bentley expressed concern that there were too many loose ends , and
inquired whether the Planner felt comfortable that these concerns could
be taken care of by the staff. The planner responded affirmative on
the DNR item, but was unsure of the grade crossing question.
Torjesen felt the Commission should take a position on the crossings,
cormenting that he was comfortable with at grade crossings .
Martinson coninented that he feels that at grade crossings , if properly
constructed, are safe; and if the proponent cannot come up with a safe
crossing, it will have to be either under or over pass .
Levitt accepted the at grade crossing suggestion.
McGlynn felt they could work with the staff to resolve all of the issues
discussed.
'Bentley inquired about the Environmental Assessment Worksheet. The Planner
explained it was being held back until a reply is received from the DNR
on the high water mark of Neil Lake Marsh.
VOTE: The motion carried 6-1-0, with Bearman casting the dissenting vote.
MOTION #4: Martinson moved to continue the action on the EAW until
March 26, 1979. Bentley seconded, motion -carried unanimously.
The chairman called for a 5 minute break, the meeting resumed at 9:30 PM.
VI . PETITIONS AND RFQUESTS
A. High Trail Estatec-,- by Countryside Investment Inc. Request to rezone
40 acres from Rural to R1 -13. 5 and preliminary platting of 79 single
family homes. Located north of Duck Lake Trail between Duck Lake Road
and 168th Avenue West. ", public meeting. Public hearing to be held
March 26, 1979. 0,
The Planner Explained that the meeting notice was not published through
error by the newspaper, therefore no action could be taken at this meeting.
He did invite the proponent to make a presentation of his project. but the
public hearing would be on the 26th of March.
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Planning Commission Minutes - 8 - March 12 , 1979
B. Bluffs West Third and Fourth Additions . . . pAlir hearing
Several concerns were discussed : communication receiv,:d from the
Me-ropolitan Airports Commission on review of the proposal : the
power line located along Homeward Hills Road ; possible leakage
from the Sanitary Land Fill abutting the 600 units ; and natural gas
easement located in the location.
Bearman requested that the Planner research these questions and include
in the staff report.
The density of the project was Oscussed , and Ostensory responded to further
questions on the request; 168 acres , with PUD approval for entire 168 acres
being requested.
The Planner inquired whether the project included the steep bluff area.
Ostenson responded affirmative.
Levitt ?sked what the justification was for this PUD, and what is the
rationale for the variances requested. V-�tenson responded what they have
presented their entire project to avoid large delays . With respect to
PUD and densities , he explained they are developing land for Orrin Thomp-
son, quadraniiniurrs and doubles are becoming very significant on the mar-
ket, and it is a matter of economics. He explained further that they are 0
dedicating land which they have ha- to purchase for that reason.
Bentley requested that the staff report a i so include i nforrri, �i ran concerning
the gas line easement , safety factors building near the gas line , depth of
the line etc. .
Mr. G. Harrington , 11524 Kingsington Drive, inquired what thL distance of
the qu"ds and apartments from, Homeward Hills Rd. would be and whether they
would be visible from Hartreward dills Rd. . Ostenson explained they would
be located along the collector road bacw from Homeward hills Rd. , although
they may be visible from Homeward Hills Rd.
Beat-man inquired whether the project had been discussed with any of the
neighbors. Ostenson responded they have not had any meetings w'Ith the neigh-
bors.
Harrington expressed concern that the proposed park area would be under the
NSP power line located in the area. .
Mrs. Darlene Connerford, 11544 Kingsington Drive, asked What tyre balance of
single family to multiple homes would be. The Planner responded that thPrp
would be 135 single family homes out of 640 total units.
Bentley asked whether residents of the Bluffs West first addition were
aware that multiples would be involved at this time. Ostenson responded
that the land, at that time, was not owned by Hustad Corporation.
Gartner inquired when the sanitary landfill would be at capacity.
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Unapproved
Planning Commission Minutes - 10 - March 12, 1979
A. Discussion of Residential Mortgage Bonds (cont' )
Bentley commented that the City should keep in mind the number
of units we need to develop per year.
The Planning Commission agreed to request a joint meeting with the
City Council on the first (April 2) or third (April 16) Monday of
April , preferably April 2nd.
SUBJECTS TO CONSIDER!
Tot lots, Transition Ordinance for MCA, lot sizes , discussion of
liason Council member. Further items may by added at March 26th
meeting.
X. ADJOURII'MENT
MOTION : Bentley moved to adjourn at 11 :20 PM. Retterath seconded, motion
carried unanimously.