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Planning Commission - 11/13/1978 AGOENDA s • Eden Prairie Planning Commission Monday, November 13, 1978 -7:30 PM, City Hall COMMISSION MEMBERS: -Chairman Rod Sundstrom, Liz Retterath, Matthew Levitt, Richard Lynch. William Bearman, Paul Redpath, Oke Martinson STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Planning D.i rector Jeati Johnson, Planning Assistant Donna Stanley, . Planning Secretary Invocation - -- Pledge of Allegiance- - - Roll Call 1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA II . APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF OCTOBER 16 1978 JOINT PR b NR COM PLAN. CUM. MEETINGz AND MEETING OF OCTOBER 2 9:8 III. MEMBERS REPORT A. Chairman B. Others IV. REPOR S AND RECOMMENDATIONS A. Thrift-wa Storey request by Mr. Salzburg to rezone 5.409 acres ' from Hy. -Com. and Rural Comiiercial -Regional Service for a grocery store. The site is located on he north side of west 78th Street and south of Leona Road. Continued from 10/23/78. S. Round Lake Estates 2nd Addition, by Eliason. Request for PUD Develop- mert Plan approval and preliminary plat for 72 lots oo 34 acres. Project is located Sal of Round Lake. A continued public hearing. - C. Stewart In-Fra Red Commissary of Minn . Inc . request- to rezone 3 acres from Planned Study -'to 1-1%Park for Stewart Sandwiches Bldg. and Parking expansion. First Presentation. 0. Shady Oak Industrial Park, by Richard Anderson. Request to preliminary plat acres of 1-5 Parkoned property into 4 lots. The property is located south of Clara_ don Park b west of Washington Ave. A public _. ------ -- - _hearing. V. PETITIGHS ANG REQUESTS ' V1. &TTUSINESS VI1 . NEW BUSINESS VI 11. pLA INER ' FOR' IX. ADJOURNMENT MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING CCMMISSION approved WADAY, 4)VEIABER 13, 1478 1:30 PM, CITY HALL C"ISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Rod Surdstrom, Liz - Retterath, Matthew Levitt, Richard Lynch, and Oke Martinson COMMISSION MEMIBEtS ABSENT: William Bearman and Paul Redpath STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger, Pla ir�ing Dir;;.cor Donna Stanley, F ! %nni►..j Secretary Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance Rol fall I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Lynch moved to approve the agenda as published, seconded by Martinson. Motion carried unanimously. 1I. MINUTES 3FFOC_TOBER 16, 1978 JOINT PR S NR COM/PLAN. COM. MOTION: Martinson moved to approve Minutes of October 16, 1978 Joint meeting with PR 8 NR Com, , seconded by Lynch. Motion carried, with Lynch abstaining because of absence. MINUTES OF OCTOBi R 23,, 978 MEETING The following corrections were requested : Pg. 5, para. 5, sent. 2, delete "definition" ; add "elevation" " of 6, add "Lynch felt that the type of promise made by Minnesota Protective Life Ins. for lighting is not working out that - well . He pointed out that Titus Rd . is not buffered from homes on Leona. Rd. " - -- ------- ------------ NOTION: Lynch moved to accept the minutes of October 23, 1978 aiecting as amended and published. Retterath seconded, motion carried unanimously. r r �srun.-..� wr ►ww�r• _ - None. IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS z A. Thrift-wayS_tores, request by her. Salzburg to rezone 5.409 acres from Hy. -Cam. anO Rural to Con!ercial.-Regional Service for a grocery store.. The site is located or. the north side of west 78th Street and south of Leona Road. Contin,ned from 10/23/78 - - City Planner Chris Enger briefly outlined the concerns expressed at the Approved planning Commission Minutes - 3 - ilovewber 13, 1978 A. Thrift-way Stores .Continued from 10/23/78 (Cont'd) Svndstroa asked what the intention of the floor area ratio require- sent was. The Planner explained that the intention was to limit the size of the building in relation to the lot itself, in order to balance parking requirements , building area , and open area . Sundstrom inquired about the possibility of land east of this proposal for use to fulfill F.A.R. prank explained that in the past PUB. the proponent had tried to put it together, hilt it proved to be an un- workable plan. He -itcAlt the F.A.R. was insignificant, and they are trying to put it together as a realistic plan. MOTION: Levitt moved to recommend to the Council approval of the request to rezone the approximate 5 acre site from Rural and Highway Commercial to Commercial -Regional Service as per the material sutxni tted and dated 11/6!78, 11/9/78 and 11/13/78, subject to recommendations of staff report of October 16, 1978 (1-6, and 8-10; excluding no. 7 and adding no. 11 - "that lighting units be used that minimize both glare and illumination of the -adjacent land areas" . Martinson seconded, motion carried 3-2, with Lynch and Surdstrom casting "nay" votes. Lynch commented that he aces not feel the site is adequately buffered from single family homes on Leona Rd. ; he has maior concerns that the liahting will not be accomplished to the satisfaction of t•Gaeowners; aLnd that he also had concerns regarding the proposed s i dews : k. In his opinion, the project is too large or intea:se for tha. a-mount of property being planned on. B. Round Lake Estates 2nd Addition by Eliascn. Cecuest for ^Uti Develop- ment Plan approval and preliminary plat for 72 lots er. 34 acres . Project is located SW of Round Lake. A continued public hearing. Mr. Eliason presented his revised plan , expressing concern with land dedication requirement and also with the number of lots . The City Planner explained thAt the City Council has been veryStrong in its direction of requiring mini-parks and the nee i f�)r the cash park fee for acquiring neighborhood parks. He agreed, to work with E1 iason on the lot density. Mr. Kenneth Geason, 7621 Atherton Way, submitted an alternate plan dated November 8, 1978 for- the nroposat Mid _perk ;r, the M►r,no :.eke Estates 2nd tidditibn, that would provide a corridor between Atherton May and Heritage Road through to the Round Lake Park areas thereby allowing direct access to the mini-park via Atherton Way for the current residents in the western portion of tferitaq+e Park at. ' that new residents along the extende6 Atherton Nay in the R,,utod Lake Estates 2nd Addition. He added that this proposal has been developed by and discussed a ng several *esidents of the :urrent hound Lake Estates . • and Heritage Park areas, approved Planning Commission Minutes - 2 - October 23, 1978 A. Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center. . .public hearing (cont d) ♦hp nonrrotri�� Fnr nrnnor ♦r•aFFir Fln . ar �i cinnal i7atinr fI►r thR► .46. �......... ... .�.,. v. r.. vr. .• .. �. . . .. v.. ..... . '. .�.... ..... ... ...... Ring Route, pointing out that a similar request from the Preserve for Area F to the South was denied. Another main concern was whether the uses being proposed now are consistent with the Homart' s original PUD of 1973 , which designated this parcel as a neighborhood center which would be Convenienziy available but not buried in the regional shopping center building. It was to offer such uses as : a major food store, druq store and other goods and services such as a beautician , barber , dry cleaners etc. Redpath, referring to the Southdale Shopping tenter, pointed out the traffic problems generated by the free standing businesses located there , and inquired whether this would happen with the proposal bu ng considered. Shea respcnded that Southdale Shopping Center was planned in bits and pieces , and he felt that with proper plans for circulation and traffic flow the kinds of problems that Southdale is plagued with can be eliminated. Beaman asked what the elavation difi=erenCe was between the two levels of t:.z site. Shea responded from 14' to 16' in various places tapering off to- the' same level . Levitt inquired who would do the construction of the different build- ings , and whether there would be any uniformity. Shea explained there will be a unifying landscaping plan but each use has a definite identity. Lynch asked whether the parking and size of buildings would fulfill the potential of the 11 . 7 acres or was there potential for more free standing buildings: The Planner explained that the Staff feels the parking planned will fulfill the potential of the site, but pointed out that the original plan showed four uses , and the fifth use was added recently. Shea explained that they have no intention of doing more than planned at this time, and they would be willing to make a committment stating this. Sundstrom was concernd with where neighborhood center types of uses could be placed if this proposal were approved. Robey explained that Homart's Eden Prairie Center has been able to ser- vice some of these needs. They have tried to put in a drugstore, but have not been successful because of economics. IRS approved Planning Commission Minutes - 4 - October 23 , 1978 A. Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center. .public hearing (cont' ) acid that he preferred that the PUB be brought back with modifi- cation for PUD action. He commented further that there is a need for addressing pedestrian access between buildings . Levitt did not feel there would be a lot of pedestrian traftic generated between buildings , with the uses proposed. B. Thrift-way Stores , i-equest by Mr. Salzburg to rezone "5. -acres from Rural to Commercial -Regional Service fir a 60,000 sq. ft., grocery store. The site is located on the north side of Kest 78th Street and south of Leona Road, on the western portion of the Titus P.U.D. ( First Present. ) Mr. Krank, Korsunsky Krank Architects , Inc . , ;resented the plan, noting two ordinance recommendations they are not meeting;flocr area ratic and parking, He explained their parking rat;,o is 5. 1 cars . He referred to plan submitted previously as' schematic , and called atten- tion to supplementary drawing further elaborating details of the plan. Mr. Terry Jacobs , Landscape Architect , briefly outlined their proposed proposed landscaping plans for the site which consisted of a 6 ft. wooden fence along the northern and western boundaries with evergreen plantings ; planting islands withh -a pedestrian bikeway system running froni entrance east to Titus Rd. and northward to property line; and a berm to the south. Jacobs responded to she staff report of 10/16/78 .noti rg they have met most of the recomendations . The Planner commented on the proposal , noting that it �-ias a good attempt at screening the site, but felt that with the floor area ratio proposed , little land was left for buffering etc . . He added the staff would like to know the plans for the balance of the property development on the site to the east pointing out there are no arrange- ments made for cross parking with tho property to the east. He noted that the entrance tied across from the Eden Prairie Center. 1,e commented further on the plans for removal of the knoll , and also felt the fencing so close to parking may not work well . He felt the sidewalk would be appropriate in the City right-of-way. Levitt referred to the 1975 PUB, and asked about the greater floor area ratio in the present proposal . Krank explained that his client does not own adjacent piece of land, but he plans or a double lane for parcel pick-up to move people out of the parking area rapidly. I, approved ' Planning Commission Minutes - 6 - October 23, 1978 B. Thrift-Way Stores. . first i,. ^sentation (cant' ) Beaman requested addition of reason for abstainirg on the two preceding proposals because of friendship and business relationships • with the proponents . Lynch suggested relative to Titus Rd. fc^,re, construction to the center of the property line , rather than to the end. Sundstrcm comy.mented on the change from the 1975 PUD as far as coverage of the site. Mr. G. Darkenwald, 11803 Franlo Rd. , explained that when the PUD was approved, there was no sewer, but there is now. C. Round Lake Estates 2nd Addition ,_ by Elliason. Request for PUD Develop- ment Plan approval and preliminary plat_; r 72 lots on 34 acres . Pro- ject is located SW of Round Lake. A Pu ' Hearing. The Planner explained that the Plannin ;f has anticipated re- visions to the plan , but did not receive the revised plans in time to prepare a staff report on the project. Thie project is in re- lationship to Lake Trail Estates and the Highway 5/Co. Rd . 4 road alternate system. He explained further that the road system is in conformance with Council action and also gave a brief summ(iry ,f the background of ;.he project. The trail system was orignially to be within the Home Owner Association, pointing out that maintenance of it may not be desirable for the City. Mr. Ken Geason, 7621 Atherton Way, speaking for the residents , commented that they were not aware the Home Owner Association was to maintain this area. He requested a copy of the plans , in order to respond to the City on this point. Mr. Jakuoowski , 17299 Paik Circle, expressed concern that neighbor- hood trails would be taken away, pointing out that these trails were desirable to get the children to Round Lake Park safely, rather than by Highway 5 route. Levitt requested that the concerns of surroundinq residences voiced at the meeting and .access to Round Lake Park Ee addressed in the staff report. MOTION: Redpath moved to continue the Round Lake Estates , 2nd Addition, to the November 13, 1970 meeting, along with a staff report. Retterath seconded , motion carried unanimously. D. Charlson Estates , by Lynn Charlson , request to preliminary plat 60 acres into 10 'lots for single f_ amily development o ent on Rural Zonni Si te. is located west of Eden Prairie Road and east o Ri ey Creek. A Public Hearing. Mr. Rick Sathre, McCombs , Knutson Associates , Inc. , briefly outlined the proposal , explaining that their intention was to develop the pro- perty and protect the Creek valley by building homes on top of the .approved Planning Commission Minutes - 8 - October 23, 1978 D. Charlson Estates . . . .A public hearing rcont' d) MOTION #1 : Bearmar moved to close -.Iibl is Hearing on the Charlson Estates , seconded by Lynch. "lotion carried unanimously. MOTION #2: 3earman moved to recommend approval to the City Council of the preliminary plat of Charlson Estates subject to the staff report of October 16, 1978, with the addition that some special consideration by the proponent be made for an acceptable tame frame for the 111idden V;illey Riding Stable Z-o make the transition. Retterath seconded , Motion carried unanimously. MOTION #3: Bearman moored to recommend to the City Council approval of Charlson Estates Environmental Assessment Worksheet, with an amendment to the EAW to add the existence of the .leer herd . Retterath seconded . Motion carried unanimously. V. PETITIONS .AND REQUESTS - None. VI . OLD BUSINESS - None. VII . NEW BUSINESS None. VII : . KANNFR'S REPORT Enger reported that the Guide Plan update should be completed this week and would then go to the Council and then to the Commissions. . He exnlained that iie would summarize the major changes for the Commission review. IX . ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Redpath moved to adjourn at 10:55 PM, seconded by Retterath. Motion carried unanimously. Approved Planning Commission Minutes - 2 - November 13, 1978 A. Thrift-Way Stores. . Continued from 10/23/78 (Cont'd) former meeting and the proposed revisions by Thrift-Way in response to these concerns - reduction of floor area ratio; the commitment of landscaping to mitigate effects of the removal of seine of the evergreens on the site; lighting plans that would eliminate glare into adjacent homes; and resolving differences in grading, and sight lines to the north. Mr. Krank of Korsunsky, Krank, and Erickson Architects , explained that since the first meeting, they have been working with another store planner to work out e;:act measurements, and that they have met with the Presbyterian Church representative, Mr. Tony Hirt, and walked the site. He presented a series of graphics indicating the changes in the grading and landscaping plans , and explained how the car hea6 lights would be screened from residents north of Titus Road by a berm. Parking lot lighting would be off at a 90 degree angle at the property lines Through the use of special luminaires. The Planner explained that the concerns listed in the staff report of October 16, 1978 have been adequately addressed by the proponent and that variances would be needed for the parking spaces and floor area ratio. Levitt questioned the proposed parking plan. Krank explained that they have set guidelines for themselves as to what has been necessary, and the City has a different ratio designated in the ordinance. Lynch inquireu how many spaces we►-e being proposed. The Planner responded that 500 were called it according to the ordinance, and 330 were being proposed. He pointed out tbrat this plan is similar to Forairie Village Mall , Eder ?rairie center, and BarMil Search in their parking plans , and it has been adequate. Lynch expressed concern that the proposed sidewalk did not tie into another sidewalk and why it wasn' t proposed for the front of the Church. The Planner explained that the intent, is to construct sidewalks along Titus Rd. and W. 78th St. in the road right-of-ways, the system was ccnsisLent with the original PUB and the sidewalk along Titus Rd. would be carried along with its Extension. Lynrh questioned the sight lines ar,! elevation of the proposed berm. Krank explained it would be a combination of greenery, berming and fence, and "on16 ..•:e ? it . ��+Cs arc- :,vim:� VII t WOO t0Ir ee res ou"ences i-VUi# + VC owkse"y directly at the project. which was at a lower grade. Martinson inquirod whether the fcncr, would go -along the west side of the property, in order to scr-c :n semis unloading. Krank responded negative, explaining that the existirv,, tre►c►s would be adequate as a buffer. Sund;trom Old fev_l that t" tufferinq land was adeetiate. - 3unJ_t rr= I ngyi rod abut the floor area ratio, and whether the warehouse �. %:wsce 1% added t.n the F. A.R . Krank. expl �i ned 0-ty have f i gored narking spaccs for tie store, the restaurant and .the warehouse separately, allowing par.-ing stfaces for each. Approved Planning Commission Minutes - 4 - November 13, 1978 B. Round Lake Estates. . . . . . continued public hearing (cont' ) Mr. Jakubowski , 17299 Park Circle, asked whether Eliason had an alternate plan. Eliason responded that his present plan wAs similar to the City' s -ecommendatinns , but he would favor taking portions off 3 lots , in oppostion to ?osing 7 lots. Sundstrom questioned access to the north and south from Atherton Way to the park. The Planner explained that access to the two cul -de-sacs to the north would give access to the park. Martinson expressed concern with the average lot sizes in the plan , noting there were at least two lots that were 11 ,250. Mr. Lynn Caswell , of Consulting Engineers , Inc. , explained that there was difficulty with uniformity in lot sizes because of cul-de-sacs: Sundstrom summarized the public hearing by stati►q that several pcints need to be accomplished: access from Atherton- Way through to Round Lake Park;mini -park location; lot density of 2.0 units/acre or less and minimum lot sizes of 13,500. Mr. Geason offered to meet with Eliason to discuss the residents ' alternate plan. MOTION: Levitt moved to continue the Pound Lake Estates , 2nd Addition , to the November 279 1978 meeting. Lynch seconded, motion carried unanimously. C. Stewart In-era Red Commissary of Minn. , Inc. request to rezone 3 acres from Planned Study to I-2 Park for Stewart Sandwiches Bldg. and Parkins expansion. First Presentation. Mr. Sween , President of Stewart In--Fra Red Commissary, presented the request for re-zoning of approximately 3 acres fr(xn Manned Study to I-2 Park. Fie expressed concern with the serious access problem to Highway 5, and also with the mood of the Commissioy. regarding outside storage. He painted out -that with the new energy concerns , it is impractical to store vehicles inside , but would be wi 11•ing_ to screen storage vehicles with trees , aitci or future buildings. The Planner referred to the 1pttnr of M♦.,��� 7� r . .- . •.-�••� �• , e�io IiOSII the Minnesota Department of Transporta tion corrcerning access to Co. Rd. 4 and right-of-;gay needed for access construction. He explained that tthe I-2 Zoning District did not allow outside storage and suggested a request to a-General Plight he more appropriate, -which -does allow screened outside storage. Approved Planning Commission Minutes - 1 - November 13, 1978 C. Stewart In-Fra Red Commissary. . . . . .First Presentation (Cont'd) Sween felt the road was the most urgent problem, and asked about approaching the County and State Highway Departments for funding. The Planner responded that MnDOT has expressed willingness to participate in funding and agreed to petition the State for inclusion it: their safety improvements program for H;uhway 5. He suggested modifying request to include screening and site plans for the entire Stewart Sandwich site. Sween agreed to come back with drawings for screening, site plans etc. for re-zoning. 5undstrom summarized the Presentation, and that it was agreed the proponent has withdrawn his request for revision., pending more detailed study. D. Shad Oak' Industrial Park, by Richard Anderson;. Request to preliminary plat 27 acres of I-5 Park Zoned property into 4 lots. The property is located south of Claredon Park b west of Washington Ave. A puL: :c hearing. The City Planner referred to the background information of the site as indicated in the 1968 Comprehensive Guide Plan, the 1977 Guide Plan Update, and Smetana Lake Sector Plan. Mr. Richard Anderson , Shady Oak Industrial Park, gave a brief presenta- tion of his request for preliminary plat apprcyal of 4 lots on 26. 37 acres of land in an existing I-5 zone. He explained that Shady Oak Rd. is now being designed to City standard. Mr. Herliev He' le, 6138 Arctic Way, expressed objection to the curve and extension of the road to -the south, because it woild put his land at a disadvantage. The Planner explained that in discussions on Shady Oak Rd. , it has been anticipated that Shady oak Rd. will "t" into Valley View Road. Sundstrom pointed out that . the plan merely ',concerns the intersection Of that mrf irislar ton+iow 8::v -10110.`s orally the 4 lots involved for alignment. Approved Planning Commission Minutes - 6 - November 13, 1978 D. Shady Oak Industrial Park. . . a public hearing (cont' ) MOTION: Levitt moved to close the public hearing on Richard Anderson' s Shady Oak Industrial Park. Lynch seconded, motion carried unanimously. NOTION : Levitt moved to reconmiend to the Council approval of the Shady -Oak Industrial Park plan dated October 2 . 1978s as per the Staff report of November 9, 1978 and Engineering report of November 3 , 1978, subject to the recormieffiaat-Ions contained in the Staff report. Lynch seconded- , m0ti^r carried unanimously. V. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS None VI . OLD BUSINESS - None YII NE4� BUSINESS - None `lI I I . PLANNER' S REPORT T►~e Pla-ner requested the Cowission members to begin thinking about possible projects for 1979 Community Development Block Grant funds . IX. ADJvJRNMENT MOTION: Retterath moved to adjourn at 10:45 PM. Levitt seconded, motion carried unanimously.