Planning Commission - 11/13/1978 AGOENDA
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Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, November 13, 1978
-7:30 PM, City Hall
COMMISSION MEMBERS: -Chairman Rod Sundstrom, Liz Retterath,
Matthew Levitt, Richard Lynch. William
Bearman, Paul Redpath, Oke Martinson
STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Planning D.i rector
Jeati Johnson, Planning Assistant
Donna Stanley, . Planning Secretary
Invocation - -- Pledge of Allegiance- - - Roll Call
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II . APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF OCTOBER 16 1978 JOINT PR b NR COM PLAN. CUM.
MEETINGz AND MEETING OF OCTOBER 2 9:8
III. MEMBERS REPORT
A. Chairman
B. Others
IV. REPOR S AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Thrift-wa Storey request by Mr. Salzburg to rezone 5.409 acres
' from Hy. -Com. and Rural Comiiercial -Regional Service for a grocery
store. The site is located on he north side of west 78th Street and
south of Leona Road. Continued from 10/23/78.
S. Round Lake Estates 2nd Addition, by Eliason. Request for PUD Develop-
mert Plan approval and preliminary plat for 72 lots oo 34 acres.
Project is located Sal of Round Lake. A continued public hearing.
- C. Stewart In-Fra Red Commissary of Minn . Inc . request- to rezone 3
acres from Planned Study -'to 1-1%Park for Stewart Sandwiches Bldg.
and Parking expansion. First Presentation.
0. Shady Oak Industrial Park, by Richard Anderson. Request to preliminary
plat acres of 1-5 Parkoned property into 4 lots. The property
is located south of Clara_ don Park b west of Washington Ave. A public
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V. PETITIGHS ANG REQUESTS '
V1. &TTUSINESS
VI1 . NEW BUSINESS
VI 11. pLA INER ' FOR'
IX. ADJOURNMENT
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING CCMMISSION
approved
WADAY, 4)VEIABER 13, 1478 1:30 PM, CITY HALL
C"ISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Rod Surdstrom, Liz - Retterath,
Matthew Levitt, Richard Lynch, and
Oke Martinson
COMMISSION MEMIBEtS ABSENT: William Bearman and Paul Redpath
STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger, Pla ir�ing Dir;;.cor
Donna Stanley, F ! %nni►..j Secretary
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance Rol fall
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Lynch moved to approve the agenda as published, seconded by
Martinson. Motion carried unanimously.
1I. MINUTES 3FFOC_TOBER 16, 1978 JOINT PR S NR COM/PLAN. COM.
MOTION: Martinson moved to approve Minutes of October 16, 1978
Joint meeting with PR 8 NR Com, , seconded by Lynch. Motion carried,
with Lynch abstaining because of absence.
MINUTES OF OCTOBi R 23,, 978 MEETING
The following corrections were requested :
Pg. 5, para. 5, sent. 2, delete "definition" ; add "elevation"
" of 6, add "Lynch felt that the type of promise made by
Minnesota Protective Life Ins. for lighting is not working out that
- well . He pointed out that Titus Rd . is not buffered from homes on
Leona. Rd. "
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NOTION: Lynch moved to accept the minutes of October 23, 1978 aiecting
as amended and published. Retterath seconded, motion carried unanimously.
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None.
IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
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A. Thrift-wayS_tores, request by her. Salzburg to rezone 5.409 acres
from Hy. -Cam. anO Rural to Con!ercial.-Regional Service for a grocery
store.. The site is located or. the north side of west 78th Street
and south of Leona Road. Contin,ned from 10/23/78 - -
City Planner Chris Enger briefly outlined the concerns expressed at the
Approved
planning Commission Minutes - 3 - ilovewber 13, 1978
A. Thrift-way Stores .Continued from 10/23/78 (Cont'd)
Svndstroa asked what the intention of the floor area ratio require-
sent was. The Planner explained that the intention was to limit the
size of the building in relation to the lot itself, in order to balance
parking requirements , building area , and open area .
Sundstrom inquired about the possibility of land east of this proposal
for use to fulfill F.A.R. prank explained that in the past PUB. the
proponent had tried to put it together, hilt it proved to be an un-
workable plan. He -itcAlt the F.A.R. was insignificant, and they are
trying to put it together as a realistic plan.
MOTION: Levitt moved to recommend to the Council approval of the
request to rezone the approximate 5 acre site from Rural and Highway
Commercial to Commercial -Regional Service as per the material sutxni tted
and dated 11/6!78, 11/9/78 and 11/13/78, subject to recommendations of
staff report of October 16, 1978 (1-6, and 8-10; excluding no. 7 and
adding no. 11 - "that lighting units be used that minimize both glare
and illumination of the -adjacent land areas" . Martinson seconded,
motion carried 3-2, with Lynch and Surdstrom casting "nay" votes.
Lynch commented that he aces not feel the site is adequately buffered
from single family homes on Leona Rd. ; he has maior concerns that the
liahting will not be accomplished to the satisfaction of t•Gaeowners;
aLnd that he also had concerns regarding the proposed s i dews : k.
In his opinion, the project is too large or intea:se for tha. a-mount
of property being planned on.
B. Round Lake Estates 2nd Addition by Eliascn. Cecuest for ^Uti Develop-
ment Plan approval and preliminary plat for 72 lots er. 34 acres .
Project is located SW of Round Lake. A continued public hearing.
Mr. Eliason presented his revised plan , expressing concern with
land dedication requirement and also with the number of lots .
The City Planner explained thAt the City Council has been veryStrong in its direction of requiring mini-parks and the nee i f�)r the
cash park fee for acquiring neighborhood parks. He agreed, to
work with E1 iason on the lot density.
Mr. Kenneth Geason, 7621 Atherton Way, submitted an alternate plan
dated November 8, 1978 for- the nroposat Mid _perk ;r, the M►r,no :.eke
Estates 2nd tidditibn, that would provide a corridor between Atherton
May and Heritage Road through to the Round Lake Park areas thereby
allowing direct access to the mini-park via Atherton Way for the
current residents in the western portion of tferitaq+e Park at. ' that new
residents along the extende6 Atherton Nay in the R,,utod Lake Estates
2nd Addition. He added that this proposal has been developed by and
discussed a ng several *esidents of the :urrent hound Lake Estates .
• and Heritage Park areas,
approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 2 - October 23, 1978
A. Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center. . .public hearing (cont d)
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Ring Route, pointing out that a similar request from the Preserve for
Area F to the South was denied. Another main concern was whether the
uses being proposed now are consistent with the Homart' s original PUD
of 1973 , which designated this parcel as a neighborhood center which
would be Convenienziy available but not buried in the regional shopping
center building. It was to offer such uses as : a major food store,
druq store and other goods and services such as a beautician , barber ,
dry cleaners etc.
Redpath, referring to the Southdale Shopping tenter, pointed out the
traffic problems generated by the free standing businesses located
there , and inquired whether this would happen with the proposal bu ng
considered.
Shea respcnded that Southdale Shopping Center was planned in bits and
pieces , and he felt that with proper plans for circulation and traffic
flow the kinds of problems that Southdale is plagued with can be
eliminated.
Beaman asked what the elavation difi=erenCe was between the two levels
of t:.z site. Shea responded from 14' to 16' in various places tapering
off to- the' same level .
Levitt inquired who would do the construction of the different build-
ings , and whether there would be any uniformity. Shea explained there
will be a unifying landscaping plan but each use has a definite identity.
Lynch asked whether the parking and size of buildings would fulfill the
potential of the 11 . 7 acres or was there potential for more free standing
buildings: The Planner explained that the Staff feels the parking
planned will fulfill the potential of the site, but pointed out that
the original plan showed four uses , and the fifth use was added recently.
Shea explained that they have no intention of doing more than planned
at this time, and they would be willing to make a committment stating
this.
Sundstrom was concernd with where neighborhood center types of uses could
be placed if this proposal were approved.
Robey explained that Homart's Eden Prairie Center has been able to ser-
vice some of these needs. They have tried to put in a drugstore, but
have not been successful because of economics.
IRS
approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 4 - October 23 , 1978
A. Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center. .public hearing (cont' )
acid that he preferred that the PUB be brought back with modifi-
cation for PUD action. He commented further that there is a need
for addressing pedestrian access between buildings .
Levitt did not feel there would be a lot of pedestrian traftic
generated between buildings , with the uses proposed.
B. Thrift-way Stores , i-equest by Mr. Salzburg to rezone "5. -acres
from Rural to Commercial -Regional Service fir a 60,000 sq. ft., grocery store.
The site is located on the north side of Kest 78th Street and
south of Leona Road, on the western portion of the Titus P.U.D. ( First Present. )
Mr. Krank, Korsunsky Krank Architects , Inc . , ;resented
the plan, noting two ordinance recommendations they are not meeting;flocr area
ratic and parking, He explained their parking rat;,o is 5. 1 cars .
He referred to plan submitted previously as' schematic , and called atten-
tion to supplementary drawing further elaborating details of the
plan.
Mr. Terry Jacobs , Landscape Architect , briefly outlined their proposed
proposed landscaping plans for the site which consisted of a 6 ft.
wooden fence along the northern and western boundaries with evergreen
plantings ; planting islands withh -a pedestrian bikeway system running
froni entrance east to Titus Rd. and northward to property line; and
a berm to the south.
Jacobs responded to she staff report of 10/16/78 .noti rg they have
met most of the recomendations .
The Planner commented on the proposal , noting that it �-ias a good
attempt at screening the site, but felt that with the floor area
ratio proposed , little land was left for buffering etc . . He added the
staff would like to know the plans for the balance of the property
development on the site to the east pointing out there are no arrange-
ments made for cross parking with tho property to the east. He noted
that the entrance tied across from the Eden Prairie Center. 1,e
commented further on the plans for removal of the knoll , and also
felt the fencing so close to parking may not work well . He felt the
sidewalk would be appropriate in the City right-of-way.
Levitt referred to the 1975 PUB, and asked about the greater floor
area ratio in the present proposal .
Krank explained that his client does not own adjacent piece of
land, but he plans or a double lane for parcel pick-up to move people
out of the parking area rapidly.
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approved '
Planning Commission Minutes - 6 - October 23, 1978
B. Thrift-Way Stores. . first i,. ^sentation (cant' )
Beaman requested addition of reason for abstainirg on the two
preceding proposals because of friendship and business relationships
• with the proponents .
Lynch suggested relative to Titus Rd. fc^,re, construction to the center
of the property line , rather than to the end.
Sundstrcm comy.mented on the change from the 1975 PUD as far as coverage
of the site.
Mr. G. Darkenwald, 11803 Franlo Rd. , explained that when the PUD was
approved, there was no sewer, but there is now.
C. Round Lake Estates 2nd Addition ,_ by Elliason. Request for PUD Develop-
ment Plan approval and preliminary plat_; r 72 lots on 34 acres . Pro-
ject is located SW of Round Lake. A Pu ' Hearing.
The Planner explained that the Plannin ;f has anticipated re-
visions to the plan , but did not receive the revised plans in time
to prepare a staff report on the project. Thie project is in re-
lationship to Lake Trail Estates and the Highway 5/Co. Rd . 4 road
alternate system. He explained further that the road system is in
conformance with Council action and also gave a brief summ(iry ,f the
background of ;.he project. The trail system was orignially to be
within the Home Owner Association, pointing out that maintenance of it
may not be desirable for the City.
Mr. Ken Geason, 7621 Atherton Way, speaking for the residents ,
commented that they were not aware the Home Owner Association was
to maintain this area. He requested a copy of the plans , in order
to respond to the City on this point.
Mr. Jakuoowski , 17299 Paik Circle, expressed concern that neighbor-
hood trails would be taken away, pointing out that these trails were
desirable to get the children to Round Lake Park safely, rather than
by Highway 5 route.
Levitt requested that the concerns of surroundinq residences voiced
at the meeting and .access to Round Lake Park Ee addressed in the staff report.
MOTION: Redpath moved to continue the Round Lake Estates , 2nd Addition,
to the November 13, 1970 meeting, along with a staff report.
Retterath seconded , motion carried unanimously.
D. Charlson Estates , by Lynn Charlson , request to preliminary plat 60
acres into 10 'lots for single f_ amily development o ent on Rural Zonni
Si te. is located west of Eden Prairie Road and east o Ri ey Creek.
A Public Hearing.
Mr. Rick Sathre, McCombs , Knutson Associates , Inc. , briefly outlined
the proposal , explaining that their intention was to develop the pro-
perty and protect the Creek valley by building homes on top of the
.approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 8 - October 23, 1978
D. Charlson Estates . . . .A public hearing rcont' d)
MOTION #1 : Bearmar moved to close -.Iibl is Hearing on the Charlson
Estates , seconded by Lynch. "lotion carried unanimously.
MOTION #2: 3earman moved to recommend approval to the City Council
of the preliminary plat of Charlson Estates subject to the staff
report of October 16, 1978, with the addition that some special
consideration by the proponent be made for an acceptable tame
frame for the 111idden V;illey Riding Stable Z-o make the transition.
Retterath seconded , Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION #3: Bearman moored to recommend to the City Council approval
of Charlson Estates Environmental Assessment Worksheet, with an
amendment to the EAW to add the existence of the .leer herd .
Retterath seconded . Motion carried unanimously.
V. PETITIONS .AND REQUESTS - None.
VI . OLD BUSINESS - None.
VII . NEW BUSINESS None.
VII : . KANNFR'S REPORT
Enger reported that the Guide Plan update should be completed this week
and would then go to the Council and then to the Commissions. . He exnlained
that iie would summarize the major changes for the Commission review.
IX . ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Redpath moved to adjourn at 10:55 PM, seconded by Retterath.
Motion carried unanimously.
Approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 2 - November 13, 1978
A. Thrift-Way Stores. . Continued from 10/23/78 (Cont'd)
former meeting and the proposed revisions by Thrift-Way in response
to these concerns - reduction of floor area ratio; the commitment of
landscaping to mitigate effects of the removal of seine of the evergreens
on the site; lighting plans that would eliminate glare into adjacent
homes; and resolving differences in grading, and sight lines to the
north.
Mr. Krank of Korsunsky, Krank, and Erickson Architects , explained that
since the first meeting, they have been working with another store
planner to work out e;:act measurements, and that they have met with the
Presbyterian Church representative, Mr. Tony Hirt, and walked the site.
He presented a series of graphics indicating the changes in the grading
and landscaping plans , and explained how the car hea6 lights would be
screened from residents north of Titus Road by a berm. Parking lot
lighting would be off at a 90 degree angle at the property lines Through
the use of special luminaires.
The Planner explained that the concerns listed in the staff report
of October 16, 1978 have been adequately addressed by the proponent and
that variances would be needed for the parking spaces and floor area ratio.
Levitt questioned the proposed parking plan. Krank explained that they
have set guidelines for themselves as to what has been necessary, and the
City has a different ratio designated in the ordinance.
Lynch inquireu how many spaces we►-e being proposed. The Planner responded
that 500 were called it according to the ordinance, and 330 were being
proposed. He pointed out tbrat this plan is similar to Forairie Village
Mall , Eder ?rairie center, and BarMil Search in their parking plans , and
it has been adequate.
Lynch expressed concern that the proposed sidewalk did not tie into another
sidewalk and why it wasn' t proposed for the front of the Church. The
Planner explained that the intent, is to construct sidewalks along Titus Rd.
and W. 78th St. in the road right-of-ways, the system was ccnsisLent with
the original PUB and the sidewalk along Titus Rd. would be carried along
with its Extension.
Lynrh questioned the sight lines ar,! elevation of the proposed berm. Krank
explained it would be a combination of greenery, berming and fence, and
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directly at the project. which was at a lower grade.
Martinson inquirod whether the fcncr, would go -along the west side of the
property, in order to scr-c :n semis unloading. Krank responded negative,
explaining that the existirv,, tre►c►s would be adequate as a buffer.
Sund;trom Old fev_l that t" tufferinq land was adeetiate.
- 3unJ_t rr= I ngyi rod abut the floor area ratio, and whether the warehouse �.
%:wsce 1% added t.n the F. A.R . Krank. expl �i ned 0-ty have f i gored narking
spaccs for tie store, the restaurant and .the warehouse separately, allowing
par.-ing stfaces for each.
Approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 4 - November 13, 1978
B. Round Lake Estates. . . . . . continued public hearing (cont' )
Mr. Jakubowski , 17299 Park Circle, asked whether Eliason had an
alternate plan. Eliason responded that his present plan wAs
similar to the City' s -ecommendatinns , but he would favor taking
portions off 3 lots , in oppostion to ?osing 7 lots.
Sundstrom questioned access to the north and south from Atherton Way
to the park. The Planner explained that access to the two cul -de-sacs
to the north would give access to the park.
Martinson expressed concern with the average lot sizes in the plan ,
noting there were at least two lots that were 11 ,250.
Mr. Lynn Caswell , of Consulting Engineers , Inc. , explained that there was
difficulty with uniformity in lot sizes because of cul-de-sacs:
Sundstrom summarized the public hearing by stati►q that several
pcints need to be accomplished: access from Atherton- Way through
to Round Lake Park;mini -park location; lot density of 2.0 units/acre or
less and minimum lot sizes of 13,500.
Mr. Geason offered to meet with Eliason to discuss the residents '
alternate plan.
MOTION: Levitt moved to continue the Pound Lake Estates , 2nd Addition ,
to the November 279 1978 meeting. Lynch seconded, motion carried unanimously.
C. Stewart In-era Red Commissary of Minn. , Inc. request to rezone 3
acres from Planned Study to I-2 Park for Stewart Sandwiches Bldg.
and Parkins expansion. First Presentation.
Mr. Sween , President of Stewart In--Fra Red Commissary, presented the
request for re-zoning of approximately 3 acres fr(xn Manned Study to
I-2 Park. Fie expressed concern with the serious access problem to
Highway 5, and also with the mood of the Commissioy. regarding outside
storage. He painted out -that with the new energy concerns , it is
impractical to store vehicles inside , but would be wi 11•ing_ to screen
storage vehicles with trees , aitci or future buildings.
The Planner referred to the 1pttnr of M♦.,��� 7� r . .- .
•.-�••� �• , e�io IiOSII the
Minnesota Department of Transporta tion corrcerning access to Co. Rd. 4
and right-of-;gay needed for access construction. He explained that
tthe I-2 Zoning District did not allow outside storage and suggested
a request to a-General Plight he more appropriate, -which -does allow
screened outside storage.
Approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 1 - November 13, 1978
C. Stewart In-Fra Red Commissary. . . . . .First Presentation (Cont'd)
Sween felt the road was the most urgent problem, and asked about
approaching the County and State Highway Departments for funding.
The Planner responded that MnDOT has expressed willingness
to participate in funding and agreed to petition the State for
inclusion it: their safety improvements program for H;uhway 5.
He suggested modifying request to include screening and site plans
for the entire Stewart Sandwich site.
Sween agreed to come back with drawings for screening, site plans
etc. for re-zoning.
5undstrom summarized the Presentation, and that it was agreed the
proponent has withdrawn his request for revision., pending more detailed study.
D. Shad Oak' Industrial Park, by Richard Anderson;. Request to preliminary
plat 27 acres of I-5 Park Zoned property into 4 lots. The property is
located south of Claredon Park b west of Washington Ave. A puL: :c
hearing.
The City Planner referred to the background information of the site
as indicated in the 1968 Comprehensive Guide Plan, the 1977 Guide Plan
Update, and Smetana Lake Sector Plan.
Mr. Richard Anderson , Shady Oak Industrial Park, gave a brief presenta-
tion of his request for preliminary plat apprcyal of 4 lots on 26. 37
acres of land in an existing I-5 zone. He explained that Shady Oak Rd.
is now being designed to City standard.
Mr. Herliev He' le, 6138 Arctic Way, expressed objection to the curve and
extension of the road to -the south, because it woild put his land at a
disadvantage. The Planner explained that in discussions on Shady Oak Rd. ,
it has been anticipated that Shady oak Rd. will "t" into Valley View Road.
Sundstrom pointed out that . the plan merely ',concerns the intersection
Of that mrf irislar ton+iow 8::v -10110.`s orally the 4 lots involved for
alignment.
Approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 6 - November 13, 1978
D. Shady Oak Industrial Park. . . a public hearing (cont' )
MOTION: Levitt moved to close the public hearing on Richard
Anderson' s Shady Oak Industrial Park. Lynch seconded, motion
carried unanimously.
NOTION : Levitt moved to reconmiend to the Council approval of
the Shady -Oak Industrial Park plan dated October 2 . 1978s
as per the Staff report of November 9, 1978 and Engineering
report of November 3 , 1978, subject to the recormieffiaat-Ions
contained in the Staff report. Lynch seconded- , m0ti^r carried
unanimously.
V. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS
None
VI . OLD BUSINESS - None
YII NE4� BUSINESS - None
`lI I I . PLANNER' S REPORT
T►~e Pla-ner requested the Cowission members to begin thinking about
possible projects for 1979 Community Development Block Grant funds .
IX. ADJvJRNMENT
MOTION: Retterath moved to adjourn at 10:45 PM. Levitt seconded,
motion carried unanimously.