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Planning Commission - 10/23/1978 AGENDA Eden Prairie Planning omission Monday, October 23, 1978 7:30 PM, City 101 • ! MISSION MEMBERS: Chaiman-Rod Sundstrom, Liz Retterath, Patthevi Levitt, Richard -Lynch, Wfl l iw 8earwan, Paul - Redpttin, Oke Martinson STAFF MEMBERS: • Chris Enger, Planning- Director-, - Jea n Johnson, Planning Assistant , -Donna Stanley, Planning Secretary y3 INVOCATION - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - ROLL CALL I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA II. MINUTES OF OCTOBER lfj 1978 MEETING III. MEMBERS RrpORTS pa-A. IV. REPORTS AND R,ECOWENDATIONS A. Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center, Barmil Search Corporations request to rezone 11 .7 acres from Rural to Cwmrcial--Recional . Service and preliminary plat the site. The site is located SW of Eden Prairie Center. lases proposed are; Applebaum&, Savings A loan, and two uhknown. A Public raring. B. Thrift-way Stores , request by Fir. Salxburq to rezone 8 aciv-s from Rural to Cain rcial,%R44,onal Saryi,ce for a vrocery store. Thee site is located on North .fide •of Melt 78th Stt�t and South of Leona Road. First presentation. - C. Round Lake Estates 2nd Addition . by Eiiason. Request for Kt% ve opment Plan approval ; o?iminary plat fbr 72 lots on - 34 acres. Project is located. SW' of Round take. A Public fterinB. D. Charlson Estates by t y nn _rharison, -Request to prpl iarinary p144 C s c es i n t3 10 lots for single i a i l deve i' v t * i4wi i Zcm ing. Site is located Nesof Eden ►rat irfe d aad oast of Riley Creek. A Public: Hnrin9, V. PETITIONS i REQtiESTS - VI. OLD BUSINESS = VII. MIEN 6USINE S Ville •­14"ER' S REPORT _ It.. ADJOURNMENT - - MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION .approved MONDAY, OCTOBER 23 , 1978 7:30 PM, CITY HALL C0144ISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairmp.r. Rod Sundstrom, William Bearman , Matthew Levitt, Richard Lynch , Oke Martinsop , Paul Redpath and Liz Retteratn(8:20 ' COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Node STAFF PRESENT: Planning Director.-, Chris Enger Planning Secretary, Donna Stanley INVOCATION - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - ROLL CALL I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Redpath moved to accept agenda as published. Bearman seconded, motion carried unanimously. II . MINUTES OF OCTOBER 16, 1978 MEETING MOTION: Bearman moved to approve minutes of October 16, 1978 mnnting as published, secondeU by Levitt. 'lotion carried 4-0-2 , Redpath and Lynch abstaining. III . MEMBER ' S REPORTS None. IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS A. Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center, BarMil Search Corporations request to rezone 11 . 7 acres from Rural to Connercial -Regional Service and preliminary plat the site. The site is located SW of Eden Prairie Center. Useseproposed are : Applabaums , Sav4ngs 8 Loan , a 40 ,000 sq. ' ft. hardware and b-!o free. standing Restaurants . A public hearing. Mr. David Shea , Shea Architects , Inc. , gave a brief presentation of the proposal on the two phases ; Applebaum food flat�keti Savi f Qs & Loan - first phase, Warner 's Home Center - 2nd Phase. He outlined the traffic circulation within the free standing buildings. Mr. Robev, representing Ilomart Development Co. , explained that BarMi 1 will be buying the land from Homart , and that their plan has been completely approved by the Staff of homart , and that they feel it will be complimentary to the Eden Prairie Shopping Center. Pl aniti ng Director Enger briefly outlined the main concerns of the Planning Staff as per Staff Report of Oct. 16, 1978. The . two min concerns were: the proposed median break south of Parcel 2 to Schooner Blvd. , which is inconsistent with .approved Planning Commission Minutes - 3 - October _3- 1978 � I A. Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center. .public hearing (cont 'd) Shea explained further that the 3. 6 acres in the area to the east of this proposal could have those kinds of uses . The reason they have picked the present site is that it requires less preparation than other sites they have looked at and because of the site prominence being adjacent to the Center . 4undstrom co". ented that this piece of land was intended for a neighborhood center type use , and was concerned whether another suitable site existed for this use. Retterath arrived at 3:20 Pi 1. Lynch inquired what the total acreage of land available in the M.C.A. The Planner responded that approximately 1/3 of the M .C.A. is developed at this time. Lynch commented that he had a problem with this site being thought Of ds the only site for a neighborhood center use. The Planner explained that because of its proximity within the Ring Route to the Major Shopping Center and to bus stops and futUre transportation needs that this site offered a good oppor- tunity for joint parking and one stop chopping . It also will provide convenience goods centrally located to the M.C.A. popula- ti�n and Preserve area to the south. He felt the question was whether the 1973 PUD concept still was a viable concept and worth pursuing. MOTION: #1 : Lynch moved to close the public hearing ors the Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center, seconded by Redpath. motion carried unanimously. MOTION #2: Lynch moved to recommend approval of preliminary plattinq for the lots, rezoning from Rural to C-Reg-Ser. for approximately 11 . 7 acres and change of the original P.U.U . 73-06 frtxn neighborhood center to Commercial Regional Service subject to Staff Report of 10/16/78 recoimendations , eliminating no. 4, and adding "The site Flan must be modified slightly in order to meet City Ordinances" . Redpath seconded, motion carried 3-2-2 , Levitt and Suiidstrom voting "nay" ; Retterath and Sea rman abstaining. Levitt asked as a point of clarification whether the vote wiuld be on concept? Lynch responded that the intention of -the motion was as a proposal , not as a concept. . Martinson commented that the traffic situation bothered him, noting a similar situation of a steep incline into the site such as the Country Club Market in Glen Lake. Sundstroxn added comment that by the action the Planning Commission was modifying the PUD. approved Planning Commission Minutes - 5 - October 23, 1978 R. ,.. . .. ..u, ./bVl cam. . . . r e5rllr.di,lUn rcont' Lynch felt additional s i to ? ;.^.es should be shown from surrounding neighborhoods. Krank explained that residents would be looking through trees to the site , and that the church property line was 100' away from the building. Tony Hirt, 6533 Kurtz Lane , representing the Eden prairie Pres- byterian Church, expressed concern with the landscaping and grading plans - how will the 6 to 8 ft. knuli on church property fit into their plans , and he was concerned with the placing of tAhe fence. Krank responded that the fence undulates back and fortis within the property. The mature trees on the churches property will remain. Mr. S. Koehler, 7131 Topv i ew Rd . , explained that he owned p. c, -lerty on Leona Rd . , and asked what the elevation of the first floor of the structure was , and also expressed concern with lighting around the bu i 1 d i rig. Krank responded it was 4 ' lower than grade of the street level and up to 5' below grade on the site. He explained that the lights de- signed for this type of use can be made to point straignt aoa:n at property boundaries using "cut-off" luminaires . Lynch felt that the type of promise made by Minn. Protective Life Ins . fer lighting is not working out that well . He pointed out that Titus Rd. is not buffered from homes on Leona Rd. Mr. Terry Walton, 11401 Leona Rd. , was concerned with traffic generated , pointing out there are children in the neighborhood, and would like to know what provisions will be made to keep them out of the }larking lot. Krank responded there will be a fence and also a pre-designated path on Vie City right-of-way. The Planner explained that the placement of Titus Rd. previously approved by the City to connect through to Leona Rd. was done . for the purpose of providing access for the area if it develops into r.ommerc i a 1 at some point in time. He added that the idea of the sidewalk was the same, to provide access for pedestrians between the Center dF%1 the area to the north. Walton requested that a fence be put up across the rear property line to keep children out all along the single family property units , and felt a sidewalk was not necessary. MOTION 41 : Lynch moved to continue to the November 13th meeting to give propo- nent time to address rec%atendations of 10/16/78 staff report, specifi - cally no. 3 , and that the questions of lighting, site lines and elevations be addressed. Retterath seconded, the Faction carried 6-0-1 , Bearmaii abstaining. s approved Planning Commission Minutes - 7 - October 23, 1978 D. Charison Estates, . . . .A Public Hearing. (contle) valley, rather than on the slope. The Citv Planner. referring to the requirement for an Environmental Assessment Norksheet, suggested that the six recommendations of the staff report of October 16th be addressed , and that the road be a rural section street with ditches. He explained that the proposal provided for large unfarmed land that could be subdivided in the future when sewer and water became available. Mr. Glen Sable, Hidden Valley Ranch, 9580 Eden Prairie Rd. , said the proposed development would almost eliminate their business. He explained they have been in existence for 15 years and that they use the land for riding trails , and subdividing of the lots would eliminate the spirit of Eden Prairie as a "horse riding" compunity and that it would harm the environment, referring to a large herd of deer living in the area . He requested a provision for a trail plan, or time to look elsewhere to move his business. Bearman asked whether they were under a lease arrangement. Sable responded there was a verbal yearly lease. He added that they have made an offer to buy some of the land but were refused because of re-payment time. Mr. Frank, representir3 Charlson Estates , acknowledged the lease, and explained that building would not take place until the following Spring. Beaman feat that the Sables should have some consideration for a reasonable time frame to move their business . SuWstram asked whether the deer herd should be part of the EAW. The Planner felt it should , but that this proposal is 10 'lots on 62 acres , Kitil a requested 300' scenic easement on each side of Riley Greek, and that he did not feel this would have an adverse impact on the deer. Mr. Dean Edstrorm, 10133 Eden Prairie Rd. , asked for the status ui W "estate concept" according to the rst!ide Plan. The Planner ex- plained that the Planning staff will by recoamending five acres in non-agricul- tural areas outside of the 11.U.S.A. line. EAstrom inmuired further about any provisions for recreation in this area . 'rhe P13pner respnnded thn t the City has -o^bn approached re- garding the sale of land abutting Riley Creek, but the City is not at the point of acquiring 1,vnd,althou9b it is part of the system proposed . _tie added the proposal will be reviewed by the Parks, Recreation aind Natural ktwt'ces Cwnission at ti* appropriate time.