Planning Commission - 10/23/1978 AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning omission
Monday, October 23, 1978
7:30 PM, City 101 • !
MISSION MEMBERS: Chaiman-Rod Sundstrom, Liz
Retterath, Patthevi Levitt,
Richard -Lynch, Wfl l iw 8earwan,
Paul - Redpttin, Oke Martinson
STAFF MEMBERS: • Chris Enger, Planning- Director-, -
Jea n Johnson, Planning Assistant
, -Donna Stanley, Planning Secretary
y3
INVOCATION - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - ROLL CALL
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II. MINUTES OF OCTOBER lfj 1978 MEETING
III. MEMBERS RrpORTS
pa-A. IV. REPORTS AND R,ECOWENDATIONS
A. Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center, Barmil Search Corporations
request to rezone 11 .7 acres from Rural to Cwmrcial--Recional
. Service and preliminary plat the site. The site is located SW
of Eden Prairie Center. lases proposed are; Applebaum&, Savings
A loan, and two uhknown. A Public raring.
B. Thrift-way Stores , request by Fir. Salxburq to rezone 8 aciv-s
from Rural to Cain rcial,%R44,onal Saryi,ce for a vrocery store.
Thee site is located on North .fide •of Melt 78th Stt�t and
South of Leona Road. First presentation.
- C. Round Lake Estates 2nd Addition . by Eiiason. Request for Kt%
ve opment Plan approval ; o?iminary plat fbr 72 lots on -
34 acres. Project is located. SW' of Round take. A Public fterinB.
D. Charlson Estates by t y nn _rharison, -Request to prpl iarinary p144
C s c es i n t3 10 lots for single i a i l deve i' v t * i4wi i
Zcm ing. Site is located Nesof Eden ►rat irfe d aad
oast of Riley Creek. A Public: Hnrin9,
V. PETITIONS i REQtiESTS -
VI. OLD BUSINESS
= VII. MIEN 6USINE S Ville •14"ER' S REPORT _
It.. ADJOURNMENT - -
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
.approved
MONDAY, OCTOBER 23 , 1978 7:30 PM, CITY HALL
C0144ISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairmp.r. Rod Sundstrom, William Bearman ,
Matthew Levitt, Richard Lynch , Oke
Martinsop , Paul Redpath and Liz Retteratn(8:20 '
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Node
STAFF PRESENT: Planning Director.-, Chris Enger
Planning Secretary, Donna Stanley
INVOCATION - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - ROLL CALL
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Redpath moved to accept agenda as published. Bearman
seconded, motion carried unanimously.
II . MINUTES OF OCTOBER 16, 1978 MEETING
MOTION: Bearman moved to approve minutes of October 16, 1978
mnnting as published, secondeU by Levitt. 'lotion carried 4-0-2 ,
Redpath and Lynch abstaining.
III . MEMBER ' S REPORTS
None.
IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center, BarMil Search Corporations
request to rezone 11 . 7 acres from Rural to Connercial -Regional
Service and preliminary plat the site. The site is located SW
of Eden Prairie Center. Useseproposed are : Applabaums , Sav4ngs
8 Loan , a 40 ,000 sq. ' ft. hardware and b-!o free. standing Restaurants .
A public hearing.
Mr. David Shea , Shea Architects , Inc. , gave a brief presentation
of the proposal on the two phases ; Applebaum food flat�keti Savi f Qs & Loan -
first phase, Warner 's Home Center - 2nd Phase. He outlined the
traffic circulation within the free standing buildings.
Mr. Robev, representing Ilomart Development Co. , explained that
BarMi 1 will be buying the land from Homart , and that their plan
has been completely approved by the Staff of homart , and that they
feel it will be complimentary to the Eden Prairie Shopping Center.
Pl aniti ng Director Enger briefly outlined the main concerns of
the Planning Staff as per Staff Report of Oct. 16, 1978. The
. two min concerns were: the proposed median break south of
Parcel 2 to Schooner Blvd. , which is inconsistent with
.approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 3 - October _3- 1978
� I
A. Eden Prairie Neighborhood Center. .public hearing (cont 'd)
Shea explained further that the 3. 6 acres in the area to the
east of this proposal could have those kinds of uses . The
reason they have picked the present site is that it requires
less preparation than other sites they have looked at and because
of the site prominence being adjacent to the Center .
4undstrom co". ented that this piece of land was intended for a
neighborhood center type use , and was concerned whether another
suitable site existed for this use.
Retterath arrived at 3:20 Pi 1.
Lynch inquired what the total acreage of land available in the
M.C.A. The Planner responded that approximately 1/3 of the M .C.A.
is developed at this time.
Lynch commented that he had a problem with this site being thought
Of ds the only site for a neighborhood center use.
The Planner explained that because of its proximity within the
Ring Route to the Major Shopping Center and to bus stops and
futUre transportation needs that this site offered a good oppor-
tunity for joint parking and one stop chopping . It also will
provide convenience goods centrally located to the M.C.A. popula-
ti�n and Preserve area to the south.
He felt the question was whether the 1973 PUD concept still was a
viable concept and worth pursuing.
MOTION: #1 : Lynch moved to close the public hearing ors the Eden
Prairie Neighborhood Center, seconded by Redpath. motion carried
unanimously.
MOTION #2: Lynch moved to recommend approval of preliminary plattinq
for the lots, rezoning from Rural to C-Reg-Ser. for approximately
11 . 7 acres and change of the original P.U.U . 73-06 frtxn neighborhood
center to Commercial Regional Service subject to Staff Report of 10/16/78
recoimendations , eliminating no. 4, and adding "The site Flan must be
modified slightly in order to meet City Ordinances" . Redpath seconded,
motion carried 3-2-2 , Levitt and Suiidstrom voting "nay" ; Retterath and
Sea rman abstaining.
Levitt asked as a point of clarification whether the vote wiuld be on
concept? Lynch responded that the intention of -the motion was as a
proposal , not as a concept.
. Martinson commented that the traffic situation bothered him, noting a
similar situation of a steep incline into the site such as the Country
Club Market in Glen Lake.
Sundstroxn added comment that by the action the Planning Commission
was modifying the PUD.
approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 5 - October 23, 1978
R. ,.. . .. ..u, ./bVl cam. . . . r e5rllr.di,lUn rcont'
Lynch felt additional s i to ? ;.^.es should be shown from
surrounding neighborhoods.
Krank explained that residents would be looking through trees to
the site , and that the church property line was 100' away from
the building.
Tony Hirt, 6533 Kurtz Lane , representing the Eden prairie Pres-
byterian Church, expressed concern with the landscaping and grading
plans - how will the 6 to 8 ft. knuli on church property fit into their
plans , and he was concerned with the placing of tAhe fence.
Krank responded that the fence undulates back and fortis within the property.
The mature trees on the churches property will remain.
Mr. S. Koehler, 7131 Topv i ew Rd . , explained that he owned p. c, -lerty
on Leona Rd . , and asked what the elevation of the first floor
of the structure was , and also expressed concern with lighting around
the bu i 1 d i rig.
Krank responded it was 4 ' lower than grade of the street level and
up to 5' below grade on the site. He explained that the lights de-
signed for this type of use can be made to point straignt aoa:n at
property boundaries using "cut-off" luminaires .
Lynch felt that the type of promise made by Minn. Protective Life Ins . fer
lighting is not working out that well . He pointed out that Titus Rd. is
not buffered from homes on Leona Rd.
Mr. Terry Walton, 11401 Leona Rd. , was concerned with traffic generated ,
pointing out there are children in the neighborhood, and would like to
know what provisions will be made to keep them out of the }larking lot.
Krank responded there will be a fence and also a pre-designated path
on Vie City right-of-way.
The Planner explained that the placement of Titus Rd. previously
approved by the City to connect through to Leona Rd. was done . for the
purpose of providing access for the area if it develops into r.ommerc i a 1
at some point in time. He added that the idea of the sidewalk was
the same, to provide access for pedestrians between the Center dF%1 the area
to the north.
Walton requested that a fence be put up across the rear property line
to keep children out all along the single family property units , and felt a
sidewalk was not necessary.
MOTION 41 : Lynch moved to continue to the November 13th meeting to give propo-
nent time to address rec%atendations of 10/16/78 staff report, specifi -
cally no. 3 , and that the questions of lighting, site lines and
elevations be addressed. Retterath seconded, the Faction carried 6-0-1 ,
Bearmaii abstaining.
s
approved
Planning Commission Minutes - 7 - October 23, 1978
D. Charison Estates, . . . .A Public Hearing. (contle)
valley, rather than on the slope.
The Citv Planner. referring to the requirement for an Environmental
Assessment Norksheet, suggested that the six recommendations of the
staff report of October 16th be addressed , and that the road be a
rural section street with ditches. He explained that the proposal
provided for large unfarmed land that could be subdivided in the future
when sewer and water became available.
Mr. Glen Sable, Hidden Valley Ranch, 9580 Eden Prairie Rd. , said
the proposed development would almost eliminate their business.
He explained they have been in existence for 15 years and that they
use the land for riding trails , and subdividing of the lots would
eliminate the spirit of Eden Prairie as a "horse riding" compunity
and that it would harm the environment, referring to a large herd of
deer living in the area . He requested a provision for a trail plan,
or time to look elsewhere to move his business.
Bearman asked whether they were under a lease arrangement. Sable
responded there was a verbal yearly lease. He added
that they have made an offer to buy some of the land but were refused
because of re-payment time.
Mr. Frank, representir3 Charlson Estates , acknowledged the lease, and
explained that building would not take place until the following
Spring.
Beaman feat that the Sables should have some consideration for a
reasonable time frame to move their business .
SuWstram asked whether the deer herd should be part of the EAW.
The Planner felt it should , but that this proposal is 10 'lots on 62 acres ,
Kitil a requested 300' scenic easement on each side of Riley Greek,
and that he did not feel this would have an adverse impact on the deer.
Mr. Dean Edstrorm, 10133 Eden Prairie Rd. , asked for the status ui
W "estate concept" according to the rst!ide Plan. The Planner ex-
plained that the Planning staff will by recoamending five acres in non-agricul-
tural areas outside of the 11.U.S.A. line.
EAstrom inmuired further about any provisions for recreation in this
area . 'rhe P13pner respnnded thn t the City has -o^bn approached re-
garding the sale of land abutting Riley Creek, but the City is not
at the point of acquiring 1,vnd,althou9b it is part of the system proposed .
_tie added the proposal will be reviewed by the Parks, Recreation aind Natural
ktwt'ces Cwnission at ti* appropriate time.