Planning Commission - 04/10/1978 t A G E N D A
Eden Prairie Punning C ission
Monday, April 10, 1978
7:30 PM City Hall
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roil Call
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman Sundstrom, Retterath, McCulloch, Lvnch,
Bearmran, Redpath, Levitt
Estimated STAFF MEMBERS: Planning Director Chris Enger, Planning Assistant
Times Jean Johnson
7:30 PM I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
7!35 II . MINUTES OF THE _MARCH 27, 1978 MEETING
7:40 III. MEMBERS REPORTS
A. haI man
B. Others
7:45 IV. REPORTS AND RECO MENDATIONS
8: 10 A. Prairie East 4th 5th & 6th Additions by Hustad Development
oar rezoning of approximately 70 acres from Rural to R1-13.5
and RM 6.5, and preliminary plat approval for approximately
200 units of single family and quadramoiniums. The additions
are located in the NW and NE quadrants cf Co.Rd.1 8 Franlo
Road. A continued public hearing.
8:30 B. Prairie East 7th 8th 19th Additio_,nst request by Hustad Developm�Ev
or rezoning ofapproxi ate y acres from Rural to RM 6.5, and
preliminary plat approval of approximately 2M units. The addi-
tions are located e.sst and west of Linden Drive, West of Co.Rd,18.
A continued public hearing.
8:45 C. Ban-Can, request for building design approval for owner occupied
townhouses on the 'Ridgewood Soutn' site zoned FM 2.5. Continued.
9: 15 D. Bachman-Anderson Center request by Bachman-Anderson, Inc. , for
rezon ng rom Rural to ffice for approximately 12 acres located
no;,-th of Anderson Lakes and South of I-494. Continued.
9:45 E. Tamarac Woods, Edenva 1 e Inc. , request for rezoning from Rural to
RI- d—n4preiiminary plat approval of 8.5 acres for 13 angle
family lots. Located west of Edenvale Boulevard, and Southmst of
Hipp' s Cedar Point Townhouses. A continued public Waring.
Y. PETITT�DRE EST.
10:00 -VI . OLD BUSINESS -
V I I . NEW BUSINESS,
10:05 VII1 . PLANNER'S REPORT
Council act ons.
_ 2. -Up-coming projects
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MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING CqMMISSION
approved
Monday, April 10, 1978 7:30 PM, City Hall
COMMISSION PRESENT: Chairman Sundstrom,Retterath, Redpath, Lynch, Beaman,
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COMMISSION ABSENT: McCulloch
STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger Planning Director, Jean Johnson Planning
Assistant
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Retterath moved, Redpath seconded, to approve the agenda as submitted.
Motion carried unanimously.
II. MINUTES OF THE APRIL 27, 1978 MEETING
P. , . ,SP, shou d read - . . . increase the cost of the lots $1 ,000-2,000.
P. 4,8. ,6P, spelling of dominant
15P, should read- . . Mr. Levitt believed the 13 building .
10P, should read . . . the proponent may not have to . . . .
P.S,A. , Add motion- McCulloch moved, Redpath seconded, to continue the
Tamarac Moods public: hearing to April 10th for a staff report.
B. ,2 P,should read - . . is an incorporated insurance . . .
Redpath moved, Retterath seconded, to approve the minutes as submitted
and ce -rected. Motion carried unanimously.
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
Chairman Sundstrom
1. Sundstrom inTormed the Commission he attended the last Council
meeting and submitted the Commission 's motion on Hillsborough.
He added the Hillsborough plat was referred back to the Planning
Commission to review the revised plat.
2. Sundstrom asked the staff to inzi uJe a 'list of present commission/
council members. in the commission's next packet.
B. Others
none
IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Prairie East 4th 5th & 6th Additions , by Hustad Development for
rezoning ftomRural to RI-13.5 and RM 6.5 for approximately 70 acres,
and preliminary plat approval of approximately 200 units. The
additions are located in the NW and NE quadrants of Co.Rd. 18 and
Franco Road. A continued public hearing.
The Chairman asked the Planner if the proponents and the City staff had
reached agreements as requested at the last commission meeting.
The Planner sunmari zed_changeste the,plotq__.gs .follows:__ 4th_A¢4ition, corner _
lots fronting on Buckinghaa: changed_ to meet front yard setback of 35 feet,
and setbacks from Franco -hevfted to •50 feet except for 3 sideyards;
5th Addition, access to Co.Rd. 1 eiiminated, i quad eliminated and additional
size added to pArju__ -6th Addition,_Buckingham_Drive access to Co.Rd. 1
eliminated a n _fri n�ont _ on_Franl o_ Road-spine .�fee� setbacks-some. meet__
50 foot setback.
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The Planner infomned the Commission the Parks , Recreation and Natural Resources
Commission recommended aooroval of the two mini- nArks as pr niece i ky ♦ka
proponent, but the Planning and Park & Recreation Department staffs still
recommend one larger usable park for public ownership and ;maintenance,
otherwise -@ the smaller two play areas should be owned and maintained by
a homeowner association. He then referred the Commission to the letters
received from Hennepin County Highway Department dated March 21st regarding
the 5th b 6th Additions.
Mr. Putnam, Hustads, concurred with the planner0s summary of resolution;, made.
He stated they_ talked with; residents and believe they have met the concerns
of the residents.
Beaman inquired if the Engineering Department has reviewed the two mini-parks
and if they consider the area to be parkland or stoat, water ponds. The Planner
responded of the 4. 3 acre park proposed in the 4th Addition, approximately 1/3
of it is pond with : rew3ind_ er in some backyards. He stated
Hustad's engineer believes the pond can be confined to ache southeast part
of the area , but it will be deep, about 4-6 feet.
Beaman expressed concern over the City's liability of ownership and maintenance
of the totlots containing deep water ponds that may vary from 2-5 feet after
heavy rains.
RVdpath inquired how many acres are within the park proposed near the 5th Addition.-
Mr. Putnam estimated the size of the area to be 5. 3 acres and stated - they believe
it is large enough for softball and Hustads will sod the area.
Don McGlyn; Olympic Hills Corporation, stated the Golf Club held a meeting today
and voted to go on record in opposition to the lot size and setback variances
being requested. He stated the Olympic HIlls 3rd b 4th Additions had to meet
ordinance requirements at the request of the City.
Mr. Putnam, Hustads, informed the Commission, the Bluffs 1 ,000 acre area will
include possibly 500 acres of public/private open space.
Redpath inquired if the proponent bases variance requests on possible ` ,not
committed open space. Putnam replied they will commit to open space whether
it is purchased through agencies or through City cash park fee funds, and if
some areas are unpurchasable, then they may be developed.
Levitt stated that the possible 500 acres open space is not before the Planning
Commission, there is not an overall PUD for the 1 ,000 acres , therefore what
tradeoffs are proposed for the '_variances req}uested.-
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Mr. Putnam replied the project will provide a variety of housing types, 2 park
areas, and be subject to cash park fee.
Redpath stated he appreciates having all the additions submitted at once, but
the densities are in excess of tradeoffs of. 'maybe' 500 acres open space on an
unapproved 1 ,000 acre PUB. He believed it would be unsafe to grant densities
WO oil i uture open space.
Notion 1:
edpath moved, Bearman seconded, to close the public hearing oa Prairie East
4th.5th b 6th Additions. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion 2:
e pat moved, Bearman seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
PUB approval on Prairie East 4th-6th for single family and multiple without
specific densities. Motion carried unanimously.
Redpath moved to recommend approval of the rezoning from Rural to to R1-13.5
and RM 6.5 for the Prairie East 4th,5th 5 6th Additions based upon the
March 23, 1978 staff report.
Mr. Putnam requested the commission to continue the hearings on the 4th b 6th
Additions to allow him to advise the developers on the commission's concerns
and determine if the projects are feasible under those condition. .
Motion, 3:
edpat moved, Bearman seconded, to recommend to the City Council rezoning from
Rural to RM 6.5 for the 5th Addition based on the March 23, 1978 staff report
with the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission recommendation on 2
park locations. Motion carried 4:2 (Sundstrom b Levitt voted nay)
Motion 4:
Redpath moved, Lynch seconded, to recommend approval of the 5th Addition preliminary
plat 4-4-78 based upon the staff report of March 23, 1978 with the Parks. Recreation
and Natural Resources Commission recommendation on the 2 park locations.
Motion carried 4:2 ( Sundstrom b Levitt voted nay)
Notion 5:
rynch moved, Beearman seconded, to reopen the public hearing on Prairie East
4th i 6th Additions. Motion carried mpanimously.
Motion 6:
ncmoved, Bearman seconded, to refer the 4th 8 6th Additions back to the
developer to redesign 4nd continue ;he public hearing to April 24, 1978.
Motion carried unanimously. '
B. Prairie East 7th 8th b 9th Additions, request by Hustad Development for
rezoni-ng of approximately 50 acres from Rural to RAM 6.5 , and preliminary
plat approval of approximately 200 units. Tite additions are located east
and west of Linden Dirve, West of Co.Rd. 18, a continued public hearing.
The Planner stated these additions have not been revised since the last meeting,
but agreements understoo4_are: thg lonp- streetuwilI _be_ wivate.,_ sietk3ck
r Qc -fr.o Lthe_s.treets .a re._s ugges ted if_no.-Lai#&--front- --the road(setbacks-
%puld in no c se b dleR �bjn,30 feet from
oetfrrom back-of _and..50 foot setback
rom requested Co
Redpath asked if the towr!house association would have any park maintenance.
Mr. Woodland Windsor,. stated they do not wish to bear the liability of
the park
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Mr. Moore, 10081 Laurel Drive, supported the park plan proposed by the developers . R
Levitt asked if the proponent will meet the requirements of turn lanes , etc. ,
of Hennepin County Highway Department. Mr. Putnam stated they will do what
4 e rorn i rei
Redpath expressed concern that the sight distance of the entrance road and
Co. Rd. 18 is bad.
Sundstrom expressed concern that the open space/pond/recreation area proposed .
is inadequate for the densities proposed.
Bearman expressed concern that the park area proposed is inadequate and carries
liability and maintenance problems. :
Redpath asked if the trail behind the 7th Addition, going to The Preserve,
would be maintained by the townhouse association. the Planner replied if it is `.
accepted as ublic open space, it "would be City responsibility, but he is unsure how .
the City wound maintain it. -
Redpath expressed concern on the additions and their correspondinq _
densities without adequate park or open space commitments.
Levitt did not believe the proponent is proposing sufficient tradeoffs for
the densities requested.
Lynch expressed concern about the variances requested.
Motion 1 :
Redpath moved, Bearman seconded, to close the public hearing on the 7th,8th
and 9th Additions. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion 2:
edpath moved, Beammn seconded, to recommend to the City Counci'. reaffirmation
of the multiple concept use forthe 7th,8th i 9th Additions. Motion carried
5: 1 with Levitt voting nay -
Motion 3: -
Redpath moved, Bearmar, seconded, to reconaend to the City Council approval of =
the rezoning from Rural to RM 6.5 based on the March 20, 1978 staff report, r
the March 27,1978 letter from Hennepin County, and the Parks, Recreation and
Natural Resources Commission recommendation on park/open space. Motion failed
1:5 with Redpath voting aye. -`
Motion 4:
Levitt moved, Bearman seconded, to recommend to the City Council denial of
Prairie East 7th,8th b 9th Additions based upon the following:
1. inadequate open space for immediate additions, totally
inadequate for entire additions, t
2. densities requested without adequate tradeoffs,
3. park areas proposed contain toe arch storm water pond 1n relation to usable
4. liability problems and maintenance problems associated area,
with public- ownership of park/pond areas,
S. variances requested without sufficient rued exhibited.
!Notion carried 5:1 with Redpath voting nay.
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approved
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C. Ban-Con re nest for building design approval for owner occupied tow*dwses
on the Ridgewood South' site zoned RN 2.5. Continuidtem.
j The Planner informed the Commission the turninq radius _needed for fire vehicle access is _
40 feet, and the project has a radius of curvature of 50 feet and greater.
Mr. Hans Hagen, Ban-Cons stated he has met with the concerned residents
regarding sight views of the project and believes the berming and landscaping
now proposed meets the concerns and approval of the res;rents. He added that
covenantswould restrict recreational vehicle storage and control junk car
parking.
Levitt asked who would enforce the covenants. Mr. Hagan stated. through past
experience with association covenants, he believes the association would be
able to enforce the covenants.
Mr. Carlson, 9061 Neill Lake Road stated he met with the proponents and
his concerns have been resolved satisfactorily. -
Nation
n moved, Retferath seconded, to appr,)ve -the Ban-Con Downer occupied building
design dated 3-16-78 and the sight line plans dated 4-4-78 for the 'Ridgewood
South' site zoned RM 2. 5 contingent upon the staff approving the berming and
landscaping . Motion carried unanimously.
D. Bachman-Anderson Center, request by Bachman Anderson, Inc. , for rezoning
from Rural to Office for approximately 12 acres located north of Anderson
Lakes and South of I-a94 . Continued item.
The Planner informed the Commission the proponent has refined the plan to decrease
the grading, and the staff has discussed traffic concerns with Bloomington City
staff. He stated the project is anticipated to generate 1400 ADT. _
W. Baird, Douglas A. Baird Architects, stated the grade of the entrance has been
decreased frtom 13% down to 7%. the parking lot would be curved with 2nd phase
parking accomplished through decking, and they do concur with the staff report.
The Planner stated the building is approximately ;Z50-400 feet from the Blacklock
Line , the site plan protects and respects the Lakeshore, the majority of drainage
will go to Beet 78th Street, and the proponents have agreed to construct a
privacy barrier between the site and iakeshore.
5. r*r• asked x!!s: t!t 'aka leve3 is trite. The Manner replied it is
saor!>rl�at below the 838 contour.
Aodpo th i nqu i red If Vest 780 Street could be changed to a one-wax west bound
tr= tlet Ensign Road arse west.
Lewitt imWired what adverse effects the development would have on the lame.
The Foamw rt*pOe !i the staff bel ieves the plan respects the lakes, and the
Metershod district will be sAmimitting their recanwWations soon. He suggested
Awy cowoiasioR recoNamdatiom an app►rowl shovU be contingent upon the
-wt*r%W district mview an# apprwl .
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Beaman asked if the project meets requi re nents of the Shorel and Management
Act. The Planner replied it and exceeds the requirements.
Mr. Osberg, 9550 Timer Trail , inquired about the visibility of the
building from the lake side. The Planner replied it would have less
impact than the present Celco Building ,
Geneva Middleton, 9411 Timber Trail * stated she has in the past carefully
monitored lake development, expressed_ concern__thait_maEmixanmentaL-reports _ _
were done,and that mc+re time should be a1 owedr-gpmt,�h� �eved, although
single_
it may have less impact than Ge1c�, ;t_wi11_ eff�ct_ snore - family:
The Planner stated according to State Regulations no EAW is required and the
Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources would be considering the item soon before
it goes to the Council thereby allowing considerable time for input.
Mr. Hubred, 8056 Ensign Road, inquired how soon the second phase of building
would begin. W. Baird replied he is unsure.
Mr. Bud Belk,8116 Ensign Road, suggested duplexes or quads would be a more
transitional use than the office proposed,
Mrs. Mikelson, 8049 Ensign Road, inquired if the office could be constructed
on the north side of the site and not into the side of the hill . Mr. Baird
responded such siting of the building would require considerably mars grading.
Mrs. Olson, 8016 Ensign Road, stated she would prefer the site be developed
in residential uses instead of office.
Sundstrom and Levitt both ^xpressed concern that uses of residential would have
more impact upon. the lake than the proposed office.
Geneva Middleton felt more information should be received by the City prior
to action.
Don Peterson, 7025 Mariann Drive, believed multiple or%. this parti_ular site
would be infeasible. He believed the proposal is sensitive to the site and the
only way to preserve the hill would be if it is purchased by the City.
Lynch inquired if the City could ask for an EAW even though it is not required.
The Planner stated , since the project does not need an EAW according 'State
Regulations and the City has not adopted separate criteria , that the City cannot
- require an EAW. He added the watershed district would be carefully reviewing
sto!�!!! water plans, dreinags Flans, sad$ ztatior� polls prop sed, and erosion
control methods
Mr. Sutherland, .---houn-Anderson, stated they have worked 3 months with the
City staff, intenu to keep the site as natural as possible, meet watershed
district requirements, and request the commission take favorable action on
the request so all information complied on the request can be forwarded to the
City Council for action.
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Motion:
Lynch moved, Levitt seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of
the Bachman-Anderson rezoning of 12 acres from Rural to Office subject to
the staff report of 4-•6-78 and the site plan presented tonight 4-10-78.
Motion carried 5:1 with Bearman voting nay.
Motion
Lynch moved, Levitt seconded, to strongly recommend to the Council that traffic
concerns are such that if Wept 78th Street cannot be made a one-way street •
west in order to mitigate major traffic concerns of the project, then approval
of this - project should be reconsidered. Motion carried unanimously.
E. Tamarac Woods Edenvale Inc. , request for rezoning from Rural to R1-13.5
and pre m nary plat approval of 8.5 acres for 13 single family lots.
Lccated west of Edenvale Boulevard and Southwest of Hipp's Cedar Point
Townhouses. A continued public hearing.
The Planner informed the Commission the proponent has changed his rezoning
request to Rl-13.5 from Rural instead of RM 6.5 He added the platting request
remains the same.
Mr. Peterson outlined the location and lotting plan and then requested the
Commission consider r,�&carmending variances for sideyard 6 front yard setbacks
as such variances allow the necessary flexibiiity_ in locating houses o_n the lots, d�
save sigr_ificant trees, vegetation and .soils.
Sundstrom asked if the developer ' has control to prohibit . all lots from using
setbacks as some may be unnecessary. Peterson replied most housing designs require
use of setback variances and if no variances are granted, then they usually reject
2 out of 3 plans submitted for approval .
Bearman i nqu i red if the one lot under 13,500 square feet in size could be enlarged
to meet ordinance requirements. Mr. Peterson replied affirmative.
Lynch inquired if the trail and / or buffer between this project and the single
family to the south is anticipated. Mr. Peterson replied the residents requested
that the trail be removed.
Motion 1:
rman moved, Redpath seconded, to close the public hearing bn Tamarac Woods.
Motion carr;ed unanimousiy.
Motion 2: .
earman moved, Redpath seconded, to r6cave, nd approval of rezoning from Rural to
RI-13.5 for Tamarac Woods based upon the4Uff report dated April 5th, granting {
siceyard variances only due to the uniqueness of the site- &nd to preserve the
wooded rolling character of the site. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion 3: '
earmn moved, Redpath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of
the preliminary plat, revised to depict no lots tinder 13. SOD square feet 1n size,
contingentand . upon
�n the recomendations of the staff report
Motion Garied unanimausiy. dated April 5, 1978.
approved
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Y. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS none
VT. CLD BUSINESS none
YII. NEW BUSINESS none
YIII. PLANNER'S REPORT
1. �SSu,p�2er Ya l u
The fanner i0ri-sied the Commission the Super lulu building location was
determined to be 40 feet from the ordinary high water mark of Bryant taIm.
He stated the DMR has recommended approval of the site plan, and the
City Council gave preliminary approval of the project on April 4th.
Notion
eevitt moved, Redpath seconded, to have the Planner Communicate to the
City Council that at the tine the Planning Commission reviewed and
rec nded approval of the Super Yalu site plan, the project was assured
to be not less than 75 feet from the high water mark, and the Planning
Commission approval was based in part on that assurance. Notion carried
5:0:1 with Rettorath abstaining.
2. St. Johns HOA Request to Widen Private Drive.
The Planner stated St. Johns ROA wou ke- approval of widening a 22 ' wide
private drive an additional 6 feet, to be paid by Gold Medallion Corp. , in
order to alleviate bad turning and parking conditions.
Notion:
el path awed, Lynch seconded, to recomeend approval of the private drive
widening an additional - 6 feet as presented by the Plamw . Lotion carried
unanimously.
IX. ADJUl LAMENT
Redpath moved, Retterath seconded, to adjourn at 11:28 PM. Notion carried.
Respectfully submitted,
Jean Johnson, Plannirq Assistaot
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