Planning Commission - 08/22/1977 t.
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Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Nonday, August 22, 1977 -
7:30 PAN , City Ha 1 1.
C014MISSION HERS: Chairman Sundstrom, Schee, Redpath, McCulloch, Bearman ,
Lynch Retterath
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Punnam, Jim Jensen, Jean Johnson
Invocation --- Fledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
. II, MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1977 MEETING
1II. MEMBERS REPORTS `
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B. Others
IV. REPORTS AND RECO,94ENDATIONS
A. Edengate, by Gerald B. Pautz and Oautz-Franklin Realty Co. , request for
PUD Development plan and preliminary plat approval , and rezoning from
Rural to RM 6. 3 for 198 townhouses . The site is located north of Duck
Lake Trail , 1/4 mile east of TH 101. A public hearing.
B. Knoble Addition, Universal Land Corporation, request for rezoning from
Rural to R1-13.5 for 1. 1 single family lots and preliminary plat approval
of 11 lots and 1 outlot. The sitC is located east of. 168th Avenue on
approximately 5.5 acres east of Coachlight Manor .Addition. A continued
public hearing.
C. - Edenvale Convenience Center, request for revised site plan approval .
The site is located East of Shadow Green Apartments.
D, O�mpic Hills 3rd & 40-h Additions , by Olympic Hills Corporation, request
to rezo.... and plat 32 lots from Rural to R1-13. 5. The sites are located
north of the NW corner of Franlo Road and Pioneer Trail. A continued
public hearing.
E. Crosstown Industrial Park, by Frank Cardarelle, request to rezone and
plat 12 acres into 3 lots and rezoning from Rural to i••2 Park. Located
east and north of the Prairie View Motel , A public hearing.
V. PETITIONS AND RE VESTS
A. Tr�Ho'mes Inc. , request to preliminary plat 34 single family lots on
13. 8 acres. The site is zoned RI-13. 5(Creative Housing) , -and is located
in the NE corner of Duck Lake Trail and 168th Avenue
VI. OLD BUSINESS
VIT, NEW Rs;SiNFsc
VIII . PLANNER'S REPORT
A. American Family Insurance Sign Request
IX. ADJOURNMENT
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
approved
Monday, August 22, 1977 7:30 P14 City Hall
COMMISSION PRESENT: Chairman Sundstrom, Schee, Lynch, McCulloch, Bearman,
Retterath
COMMISSION ABSENT: Redpath
STAFF PRESOIT: Dick Putnam, Jean Johnson
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Bearman moved, Lynch seconded, to approve the agenda as subwitted. Motion carried
unanimously.
II. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 8, 1977 MEETING
Lynch moved, Beaman seconded, to approve the minutes as written. Motion carried
5:0: 1 with Schee abstaining.
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairman 5unds t rom
1. Sundsti-om directed the staff to request proponents submitting plats
to clearly date such plats.
2. Sundstrom reported that Commission member Redpath by letter has
requested an approximate 6 week leave of absence to pursue his school
bond concerns. The Commission unanimously agreed to the requested
leave of absence for Mr, Redpath.
B. Retterath
1. Mrs. Retterath informad the Commission Council Member Dave Osterholt
desires having a joint meeting between the Commission and Council .
Bearman felt such a request should come from the Mayor on behalf of
the Council to the Chairman of the Planning Commission.
Sundstrom stated he would contact Mayor Penzel relative to a joint
meeting.
2. Retterath stated Osterholt also expressed interest in having a
Commission representative at Council meetings.
Sundstrom stated he has been unable to at and recent Council meetings
but intends to have the time later this year. He suggested Commission
members interested in attending Council meetings do so as a
Planning Commission representative
IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A, Edengate, by Gerald B. Pautz and Pau.tz Franklin Realty Co. , request for
PUD Development -plan and preliminary plat approval and rezoning from Rural
to RM 6. S for 198 townhouses. The site is located north of' Duck Lake Trail
2/4 mile east of TH 101. A public hearing.
Motion
Dearman moved, McCulloch seconded, that since the legal opinion has not been rece3 ved
from the City Attorney and no staff repr•. . has been prepared todate, that the item
be continued to the September 12, 1977 meeting.
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Planning Commission -2- August 22, i977
Discussion:
Sundstron inquired when the City Attorney's opinion could be expecte3. The planner
replied the City Attorney has verbally informed the staff that :#i. The area
has an avcroved PUD, and#d. the application should be processed and reviewed.
considering the public's haalth safety and welfare, etc. , just as any other
submission.
Beaman stated >>e would prefer to have the Attorney's opinion in writting so to .�
have for record and guidelines.
Vote: The motion carried unanimnusly. ;
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Motion:
Lynch moved, Beaman seconded, to consider- item VIII. A. American Family Insurance
Sign Request before IV. B. Knoble Addition as the proponent for Knoble Addition
was not present at the time. Motion carried unanimously.
VIII. PLANNER'S REPORT '
A. American Family Insurance Sin Request
The plamier briefly reviewed the sign locations stating the sign by the Crosstown
is proposed 201xl2' and the sigra by the access street 4x12' He stated the staff
is recommending approval of the signage request.
aBearman inquired how far the sign. is from the Crosstown highway. The piawwr
estimated 4S0 ' , with the lot having approi.xmately 400 feet of frontage.
McCulloch expressed concern that other uses along the highway asy also request
variance from the Sign Ordinance.
Notion:
Lynch moved,, Schee seconded, to approve the signage request for American Family '
Insurance for a 120 square foot sign and a 40 square foot sign as per the staff
report of August 18, 1977. Notion tied 1:3 with Bearman, McOu l loch and Sundst rom
voting nay.
Motion
Schee moved, Retterath seconded, to table the Sign Request for American Family
Insurance until later in this evening. Motion carried S: l with Lynch voting nay.
IV. A. Knoble Addition, Universal Land Corporation, request for rezoning fv.vu Rural to
R1-13. 5for 11 single family lots and preliminary plat approval of 11 lots.
The site is located east of 168th Avenue on approxim*t*1v S. S scv*s **st of
Conchlight Manor Addition. A continued public hearing.
The planne .'i£ormed the Commission the proponent has redesigited the plat dam to
11 lots , t'. ._ plat meets all conditions of Ordinance 13S, and the staff is reconow4ing
approval of the request .
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Mr. Peterson, represer:ting Universal Crud :.corporation, stated the revised plat of
11 lots fits the land better, the lot sizes range from 14,400 to 19,200 square
feet and the minimum front frontage is 102 feet.
approved
Planning Commission -3- Auvu_,i. 22, 1977
Bearman inquired if further soil tests had been done. Mr. Peterson replied the lots
are large enough so homes can be placed sway from bad soils .
Mr. Grant Gilderhas, 16855 No. Manor Road, stated the proposed project dnPc „nt
enhance the neighborhood and is spot zoning. lie requested the Commission to
deny the project as it would be premature development of agricultural land.
W. Peterson stated the '68 Guide Plan depicts this area as single family resi-
dential and within the City Zoning Ordinance , District R1-22 is for areas without
sewer and water , and R1-13.5 for areas with sewer and water as is available to
this site.
Mrs. Roeder, 6435 168th Avenue, expressed concern that the grading of the lots
would increase water runoff onto their property. She stated that backholes had
been dug on the property in question, not soil borings and that it is her opinion
the site is not buildable.
Mr. Peterson replied backholes were dug in 1973.
Mr. Gilderhas did not feel the culvert under the Roeder's drive would be able to
hanyle the additional runoff.
Mr. Roeder also felt the culvert under the drive would be inadequate as it
functions poorly now after heavy rains.
Mrs. Huntley, 6581 Undestad, stated homes in Coachlight Manor are on top of an
old water bed and felt the same grater bed will effect the proposed Knoble Addition.
Mr. Knudsen, 6511 thidestad, inquired if the corner lot house would be setback
properly from the Blunt home. The planner replied the building location will have
to meet city setback standards in Ord. 1.35.
Gilderhas stated the petition presented at the last meeting still stands and is
the position of the neighbors who signed.
McCulloch inquired if the approximate $11,000 assessment dropped from the
property could be recovered if it is developed. The planner replied affirmative.
Bob Harrington, 16391 So. Manor Road, expressed opposition to the project.
Motion 1 :
Lynch moved, Bearman seconded, to close the public hearing on the Knoble Addition
preliminary plat . Motion carried unanimously.
Motion 2:
Lynch moved, Beaman seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
rezoning from Rural to RI-13.5 for Xnoble Addition. Motion carried unanimously.
Notion 3:
Lynch moved, Bearman seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
preliminary plat dated Aug. 1, 1977 for 11 lots for Knoble ,Addition as per the
staff report dated July 27, 1977 and the Engineer's report dated August. 4, 1977.
Motion carried unanimously. i
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• C. Edenvale Convenience Center, request for revised site plan approval . The
site is located east of Shadow Green Apartments.
The planner informed the Commission the c;tP is -Yonafi r_r„vo �..a -
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approved for a convenience center.
Mr. Peterson located the site at the Southwest corner of Mitchell Road and
Valley View Road. .He stated the convenience center will house a PDQ, offices,
Eden Land Office and other retail/office uses .
Ed Kodet, Dickey/Kodet Arch. Inc. , reviewed the building design, materials and
parking plan. He stated a detailed landscaping plan had not yet been done.
He felt a 30 foot setback from Mitchell would be adequate as they intend to
extensively berm and landscape the area in between_ the street anal parking lot .
He stated a pylon sign and wall identification signs are anticipated.
Peterson said they asked to be on the agenda to familarize the Commission with the
plan and ask the commission to continue the item so they may complete their plans .
Motion :
Bearman moved, Schee seconded, to continue consideration of the revised Edenvale
Convenience Center until all the material is completed and submitted. Motion
carried unanimously. _
D. Oi)Mic Hips 3rd 4 4th Additions, by Olympic Hills Corporation, request to
rezone and plat 32 lots from Rural to R1-13.5 . The sites are located north
of the NW 'corner of Franlo Road and Pioneer Trail . A continued public hearing.
The planner informed the Commission the staff had Don Rippel, golf course architect,
review the plan, and Mr. Rippel had some concerns that Olympic Hills is considering
and it is expected that revised plans will be submitted. He stated the proponent
wishes the item be continued to the next meeting.
Notion:
Bearman moved, Schee seconded, to continue the public hearing on Olympic Hills
3rd & A th Additions to the September 17.th meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
F. Crosstown Industrial Park, by Frank Cardarelle, request to rezone and plat 12
acres nto 3 lots and rezoning from Rural to I-2 Park. Located east and north
of the Prairie View Motel. A public heating.
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Mr. Brauer, Brauer $ Associates, stated Mr. Cardarelle and he concur with the staff
report on the project. Mr. Brauer informed the commission that Brauer & Associates
have purchased ene of the lots for their future office.
Lynch inquired if the proposed plat leaves any land-locked parcels. Mr. Brauer ;
responded negative.
the planner asked if the Brauer Office would be ar. office/warehouse use or an office
building. Mr. Brauer stated it would be an office / warehouse use.
Sundstrom asked if anyone in the audience had questions or comments. None were
raised.
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Motion 1:
Schee moved, Retterath seconded, to close the public hearing on the Crosstown
Industrial Park. Motion carried unanimously.
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Schee moved, Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
rezoning request from Rural to I-2 Park for the Crosstown Industrial Park , Motion
carried ur.ai.imously.
Motion 3:
Schee moved, Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
Crosstown Industrial Park preliminary plat as follows :
1. that the cul-de-sac be extended to northeast corner of property
to insure future development access off - of Flying Cloud Drive.
Road should be extended as shown in Figure 2.
2. outlet A not be zoned to I-2 Park, but should remain !Rural
until future platting of adjacent properties occur. .
3. all industrial lots subject to cash park - fee.
Motion carried unanimously.
V. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS
A. Trumpy Homes Inc. , request to preliminary plat 34 single family lots on
13. 8 acres. The site is coned R1-13. 5 and is located in the NE corner
of Duck Lake 'frail and 168th Avenue.
The planner reviewed the project' s location and stated the proponent was unable to
s the material from the engineers and therefore has asked that it be continued.
Wtion:
McCulloch moved, Schee seconded, to continue the public hearing on Trumpy Homes
to the September 11th meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
VI. OLD BUSINESS none
VII . NEW BUSINESS none
Motion:
McCulloch moved, Dearman seconded, to reconsider the American Family insurance Signage
Request. Motion carried unanimously
The planner produced a 3iagram of the site and sign locations. He estimated that
Sign B is approximately SO feet from Crosstown and Sign A is approximately 15-20
feet from the street access.
Sundstrom inquired if there was an elevation difference from S=.gn B and the Crosstown.
The Planner believed the twe locations would be similar and a ditch exists between.
Sundstrom inquired if the sign could be located closer to the building. The planner
did not feel it could be as existing trees would cover the sign's visibility from
the freeway.
e commission then discussed alternative signs and locations and the City Sign
inance as it relates to the request.
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Request as per the staff report dated August 18, 1977 and the letter from
Rauenhorst Corporation dated August 17 , 1977. Motion carried unanimously.
VIII. PLANNER'S REPORT
The planner referred the Commission to the August 18, 1y77 PROPOSED PLANNING
DEPARTMENT PROGRAM 1978 MEMO. He asked that the Commission submit any suggestions
or comments to the Planning Department.
IX. ADJOURNMENT
Bearman moved, McCulloch seconded,. to adjourn the meeting at 10: 1C PM. Motion
carried.
fu 11y Submitted,Respect
Jean Johnson
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