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Eden Prairie Planning Commission -
Monday, August 8, 1577
7:30 PM City Hall
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
COMMISSION MEMBERS : Chai.rmai: Sundstrom, Schee, Redpath , McCulloch, Bearman,
Lynch , Retterath
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam, Jean Johnson, Jim Jensen
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II. MINUTES OF THE JULY 25, 1977 MEETING
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairman
B. Others
IV. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS
A. Edengate, by Gerald B. Pautz and Pautz-Franklin Realty- co. , request
for PUD Oevelopment Plan approval and rezoning from Rural to RM 6.5
for 198 townhouses. The site is located north of Duck Lake Trail
1/4 mile east of TH 101.
B. Knoble Addition, Universal I-.and Corp. , request for rezoning from Rural to
RI-13. 5 and platting of 14 lots. The site is located east of 168th Avenue
on approximately 5. 5 acres, east of Coachlight Manor. A public
hearing.
C. Olympic Hills 3rd & 4 th Ad.4itions , Phase 4, request by Olympic Hills
Corporation to rezone and plat 32 lots from Rural to R1--13.5.
The sites are located north of the northwest corner of Franlo Road
and Pioneer Trail. A public hearing.
D. Poolside Apartments, by The Preserve, review of site and landscaping
plans.
V. REPORTS AND RECOMENDATIONS
A. Garrison Forest 2nd Addition, the Preserve, request to rezone-, from Rural
to R1-13. 5 and preliminary plat 43 lots on approximately 2S acres. The
site is located west of Co. Rd. 18 and South of Amsden Road. A continued
public hearing.
VI . OLD BUSINESS
VII. NEW BUSINESS
VIII. PLANNER'S REPORT
A. hide plan Workbook
B. Proposed Pud Residential !Districts
. C. Planning Reference File
IX. ADJOURNMENT
MINU77ES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING C '!MISSION
approved
Monday, August 8, 1977 7:30 PM City Nall
COMMISSION PRESENT: Chairman Sundstrom, Redpath, McCulloch, Lynch, bearman,
Retterath
COMKISSION ABSENT: Schee
STAFF PRESENT: Dick Putnam, Jean Johnson
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Bearman moved, Redpath seconded, to approve the agenda as submitted. Motion
carried unanimously.
I1. MINUTES OF THE JJLY 2S, 1977 MEETING
P. 3, 31P, spelling of showed.
P.4, V. , A. , St, spelli ag af Zedication
Redpath moved, Lynch seconded, to approve the minutes as submitted and corrected.
Notion carried 4:0:2 with Bearman and Retterath abstaining.
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairman none
2. Others
1. Retterath distributed 2 articles for the Commission's information.
IV. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS ,PUBLIC HEARINGS:
A. Eden derby Gerald B. Pautz and Pautz-Franklin Realty Co. , request fox
PUD Development Plan approval and rezoning from Rural to RN 6.S for 198
townhouses The site is located north of Duck Lake Trail 1/4 mile east
of TH 101.
Mr. Dahlgren, Howard Dahlgren & Associates , stated they have meet once with the
neighborhood ar.d another time with the Northwest Eden Prairie Steering
Committee and are presenting the application from the standpoint of working
erith the neighborhood and City in beginning a process towards a solution.
Ik then introduced Mr. Jim Dorsey, attorney for the proponent.
Mr. Dorsey briefly reviewed the .court suit over the past 2 years and handed-out
"FINDINGS OF FACT CONCLUSIONS OF LAW ORDER FOR JUDGEMENT", File No. 719041 ,
for the Commission's information relative to detailed court happenings and
findings.
W. Dahlgren stated they believe the land is zoned Planned Unit Development for
.:lt#.ple =a :!:ey l:a attz=pting the btst possible use of the land as multiple.
Wr. WhISTen then presented slides and diagrams depicting past submissions and
1provals , location of site, gelation :o roadway systems , surroundisig
dtvelopom s, topography, unit layout , etc. He stated the present application
is for 198 townhouses ( no rental , all to be sold) , with a 400 foot buffer
between tie. project and the single faxily to the rest . He stated the Steering
Cammittee has suggested the 400 toot buffer be rzasured -from the single family
rear lot lives aM they concur Dad have revised the plan to reflect that idea.
He added that it has been proposed to the single family lot owners contiguous
-to the project that the prWm t is swilling to deed over some land to ,
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increase the lot depths, thereby increasing the distance between the project
and tha rear lot lines. He stated it seemed acceptable to the residents,
but has not been formally agreed upon.
Mr. Dahlgren informed the Commission a homeowner's association is envisioned
to maintain the units, grounds, 2 tennis courts, pool and possibly the wetlands
If the City does not accept dedication of the wetlands.
Mr. Dahlgren then outlined the following constructive ideas they received
from the Steering Committee:
1. 198 units appears reasonable.
2. Hill should be left intack.
3. No emergency access to Edengate through Tartan Curve.
4. 400 ' buffer should be measured from the single family
rear lot lines.
S. No objection to the units being placed along the hill.
6. Duch Lake access to project as shown is acceptable, but
should be moved further north after construction of the
parkway.
7. City should construct parkway.
S. Outside materials should be other than 4x8' plywood.
9. Exterior of buildings ' should include fireplaces.
10. Roof colors should be varied.
Mr. Dahlgren stated they concur with the 10 points, realizing of course they do not
reflect all of the residents feelings.
eMr. Dahlgren asked that the item be continued to the Commissions August 22nd
meeting allowing the proponent to further work-out details. He added that they
are willing to work further with the residents and supply any information they
can .
Bearman inquired if the City Attorney concurs with the applicant 's interpretation
of the judge's findings. The planner replied the City Attorney will be subr+itting
aiii opinion.
Dennis Flagg , 6820 Park View Lane, asked if any plantings are being proposed.
Nr. Dahlgr,&.n replied the project will be landscaped as per City ordinance.
Mr.Cook , 6920 Park View Lane, asked how much ts:e units would sell for and what
School District they would he in. Mr . Dahlgren replied the units would sell in the
aid-$50,0009 and all of the project is within the W nr etonka School District.
Mfrs. Fritz , 6960 Ticonderoga Trail, inquired what type of road the proposed
Dell Road would be. The planner replied the road has been envisioned to have
100- ' right-of-way with 4 lanes of traffic. He added that the T* 1 an_rd R $?' me".t
would be evaluated during the Guide plan update process and urged those interested
to ettend and submit comments and concerns.
Mr. Catt , 18600 Duck Lake Trail , asked if an overlay of the Purgatory Creek area
could be seen to vf �w the project' s location relative to the creek and its impact i
upon the creek. The planner believed such an overlay could be prepared by the next
Meeting.
Nr. Kruell , 6780 'tartan Curve, stated more tim would be appreciated so that the
neighborhood could be better organized. He did not feel all the 10 points outlined
by Mr. Dah l gren were correct .
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Mr. lhiderdahl, 6800 Park View Lane, asked if an environmental impact.
world be prepared . Dahlgren replied ar. Unvironmental Assessment worksheet
would oe 'prepared for the City's approval.
Mr. Cole, 7160 Park View Lane, felt a permanent solution to the Uell. Road/Valley
View Road intersection should be achieved and inquired about the traffic studies;
on Duck Lake Trail. The planner replied a traffic study was conducted in September,
1976, and 1,000 trips were measured ct Duck Lake Trail and TH 101; and 2,000 trips
at Duck Lake Trail and Co. Rd. 4.
W. Follese, 6800 Park View Lane, stated he feels Duck Lake Trail is an unsafe
road and should be improved.
Mrs. Nisscn, 6721 Tartan Curve, stated her greatest concern is the traffic on
Duck Lake Trail and at the intersection of Thick Lake `Frail / Tartan Curve. .
Motion
&Edpath moved, Retterath seconded, to continue the public hearing on the PUD Develop-
ment Stage request to the August 22nd reeting and direct the City staff and City
Attorney to prepare reports, Motion carried unanimously.
B. Knoble Addition, Universal Land Corp. , request for rezoning from Rural to
R1-13.5 and platting of 14 lots. The site is located east of 168th Avenue
on approximately S.5 acres, east of Coachlight Manor. A public hearing.
The planner referred the Commission to the brochure, plat , staff reports and
revised plat for 13 lots.
Mr. Peterson stated the plat was Tevised to meet the concern in the staff report
relative to lot size.-now all lots exceed 13,,S00 square feet. He stated the lots
are intended to provide for homes in the $60,000 range and he feels the homes will
be compatible with the surrounding neighborhood. He did not believe a totlot would
be necessary for this small subdivision.
Bearman inquired if the proponents are willing tc. meet the conditions w:U'Sa . the
Engineering Report asking for soil borings. Peterson replied they will do borings
as asked by the City Engineer and believe the soils can be improved for single
fasily construction.
Mr. Fetei-son stated the project is proposed as R1-13.S as sewer and water are
available, whereas Coachlignt Manor was zoned R1-22 because at the time of its
approval no sewer and water were available.
Mr. Undestad, 6S80 168th Avenue, expressed concern that the project would increase
traffic on 168th Avenue.
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Mr. Grant Gi lderhas , 168SS No. Manor Road, spokesman for Coach.light Manor, pro-
sented a diagrm depicting the proposed pro;ect's location to the adia«!rt S *•
hobby farms and single family across 168th Avenue. He then read the following
petition: _
TO TIZ- ?IJ W%'! Cavn= "' = THE CITY CoWOL CW I=- MAn n. PITIMSCIM i
kh Lie unoorsignod residents ar.! landcr-•tzars ci tho areas adsaeont, to lim i
propose_ lnobla tddition retie-ontly ol.prose UA?, Ilan. ite vir.orouzil_ ure.9
our S:anr::ng Crr-issive and Citr Council to achy the raguost+d
for U.s following reasons:
1. Thu land use plan clearly show all ad!acent areas zoned either
R•sral or h-22. Coachlight Addition is all R-22 (} wcre lots).
The lard owned by LJron howler isrtediate3y, Wacert to the north
of the 1•roposed addition is a 5 acre (single family) parcel zoned
Mural .
the lard cw►:ed by Robert, 31=t 1-:ediat*17 ad jaecnt to the south,
of the proposed addition is a 5 acre (single family' pereel som-I
Rural.
Mhaa the }rasoat residents %aved into the area they were told by
the citN• Ustt the use t 2-i. would not Fr.rit'htrher deaalty iousint
th..- ;-22 on this part-el.
a rBzure this small l.;.r:el ir the center of lands vi ti. i:r for
lots is not in the interests of tom• r•h.sirl-: -s involved or the
city of Ear;. ?rairis.
2. T1ho Coa:bllrlht reighberhood is already in diro, reed of a re;reatiera,
pla; zrea. '::ere is in cxcos: of 55 childmn at the � ebant ti-.a .-
tany of then Frc-schcol a4e - and the is-&rest Flay area is aver a
ail* ousy, on a highly trafficked road. Duck Iwke Tr&il.
• With the adciti:n of 13 -tore houses. and the raaultant childnen.
there .111 be no i-Zace to absorb those e'.ildren. oxce:%% !sttc the
nei;;rborhe#oc or :arbor lots or :n the straots.
It is alre=J•r a fact on the rocord_ of V,.- E4"a 'bra:rie toblic '
safety Departrant that :oa^:light is ot•- of t'ae hi her ee,:p:"nt
^ai van•:this% areas in the e_ty. ;law we are 4e:,.E x-kc4 to ;bee b
an increase Qf )`i in the Tcca':atiowh gs-N-ered into an area sgisl
to loss than 12C of the surr�shcir.g neSh�hiroraao=.
3• The 36i increase in iraffi _ v!:1 be a dire to 12
childrors as vell as the nl-^-rots L it)-c:.i_t- Nn'a 1.,;•+w, - 1 f tl.,
r.ei`t�:arto:�. it :i.c_:o_tenotrA teat t..l _rt.zt� . r.• �'
additic: caters ar..* Cf•%7-c C260.1irJ•
risidesrtiol a:•ea ui.b ►c• otl:+: new--sr tv t:F streets. -
4. This turc.l Frovosod ss t-ho ':•cblQ awditict. ,rr ;,tly is t.ht only $_
outset ftor water dr&an.f:- Ter -t:ahs bc-es on the smith side of �
Cocci►::�:r L.
Tnere is culvert and ua.dorrrcund tilo dreir.%-o frees a Made area
e:Ftying into tzis ;,srccl. iris stor- drain.•.:•c irstallnticz was
a.prc:e-i and rccom-vr,io:i by .he citov to the t441dors who deveop'-4
the area.
l'trtairly the residents !nvolred h--ve a ritht to an official -_
vnjireorir;! stW7 of Ws c"plex p-oblo, and to be &&6i3ficd by
She, v.i..,,�e► 'twat they will not be saddled with a large Personal
invist-test% to resolve a city kroblrn.
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Redpath inquired if some day the tracts of Blunt, Moot and Roeder would be sub-
- • divided. Mr. Blunt, 6501 168th Avenue, stated he has no desire to subdivide
and he had understood the area around them would remain 5 acre tracts.
Mr. Blunt then asked how la,ge nf Unmes are Ikein ,.,.......yea n--crso •
standards may be applied that would require a home of 1200 square feet minimum
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along With exteriar material controls.
Mr. * Baker , 6940 North Manor Road, felt a need exists in the neighborhood for a
play area. Mr. Peterson stated he does not believe the City desires having a
small totlot to maintain in this area c;id instead the lots would be subject to
the park cash fee in order to purchase a neighborhood park of greater scale.
Steve Schultz, 6490 168th Avenue, felt the lots proposed would compound the street
problems presently existing on 168th Avenue.
Mr. Roeder stated if he had known the 5 acre tract could be subdivided he wculd
have tried to purchase it.
Peterson requested the item be continued to allow him time to reevaluate the plat.
Mr. Moot, 6591 168th Avenue, believed soil borings would shcw that the property is
unbuildable. Peterson replied, hued on their experience, the site is developable.
Motion
Bearman moved, McCulloch seconded, to continue the Knoble Addition plat to the
August 22nd meeting to allow the proponents to reevaluate the plat. Motion carried
unanimous ly.
C. Olympic Hills 3rd $ 4th Additions, Phase 4, request by Olympic hills Corp. ,
to rezone and plat 32 lots from Rural to R1-13.5. The sites are located
north of the northwest co':mer of Franlo Ruad and Pioneer Trail.
Bruce Knutson, Bruce Knutson Architer.ts, presented the plats for Olympic Hills 3rd
and 4th Additions south of the golf course stating they meet the requirements of
the R1-13.S District and all will be for single fmily homes.
Sundstrom asked if any protection against golf balls striking vehicles or individuals
using the street to reach lots 1 and 2 will be proposed. Knutston replied negative.
The planner stated the staff has concerns regarding tee, fairway and green locations
in relation to the proposed lots as liability problems would be encountered if
someone is injured on a public street. He stated such concerns will be outlined' in
the staff report.
Mr. Don McGlynn, Olympic Hills Corporation, stated based upon their experience with
golf courses, the distances from the lot lines and the course are adequate, but if
necessary perhaps the street to lots 1 and 2 could be private, not public.
Notion
aearman moved, Redpath seconded, to continue the public hearing on Olympic Hills
3rd and 4th to the August 22nd meeting and direct staff to prepare a report with
attention given to the City 's liability given the road location serving lots 1 42.
Martian carried unanimously.
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D. Poolside Apanments, by The Preserve, review of site and landscaping
• plans.
Pon Hess, The Preserve, stated they have reviewed the staff rev_ ort and concur 3
wi Cis the recommendations of the report.
Retterath questioned the reasoning behind the "modern"light fixtures , as they f
are not similar to other light fixtures within The Preserve. Mr. Hess replied
the fixtures proposed give "down lighting" as requested by some residents. �
Retteratn suggested The Preserve investigate other "dawn light" f;.xtures that
would be ' more compatible with existing fixtures. Hess stated he would
investigate alternatives.
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Lynch moved, Rcdpath seconded, to apprcve the Poolside Apartment site and lighting
and landscaping plans as per the staff report dated August 4, 1977. Motion carried
tmanimous ly.
V. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Garrison Forest 2nd Addition, the Preserve, request to rezone from Rural
to R1-13.5 and preliminary plat 43 lots on approximately 25 acres . The
site is located west of Co. Rd. 18 and South of Amsden Road. A continued
public hearing.
Mr. Hess presented the revised plat dated 8/8/77 outlining lots 4-7 as possible
double lots and the 3 lots within the play whi.�l; would become unbuildable if the
southern parkway alignment is chosen, thereby constituting a taking.
McCulloch questioned why the proponent believes the snh,tildability of 3 lots in a }
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proposed preliminary plat would be considered a taking when there is rio existing
approval. Hess felt the southern parkway alignment is inconsistent with the
standard 50:50 RON split. �
Sundstrom rescinded Hess of the Commission's action on Ansden Hi?is 2nd at their
previous meeting, with the specific parkway alignment to the north and the
continuation of Garrison Forest 2nd to allow the proponent time to redesign
the p!at accordingly. The planner informed the Commission the utilities and streets
are already in place in Garrison Forest 2nd. McCulloch believed existing utilities '
and streets Are the developer's problems. ;
Lynch expressed concern over the future rroposed commercial/multiple at the Co. Rd. l8
intersection as incoming residents may not be nails: aware of i.twhen purchasing their
homes.
The planner stated the staff is recommending denial of the project as it contains
unbuildable lots, the commercial/multiple request is not sufficiently defined
and the Co. Rd, la interchange is u.,known at this time.
Motion 1:
McCulloch moved, Bearman seconded, to close the public hearing on the Garrison
Forest 2nd Addition preliminary plat. [notion carried unanimously.
Motion 2:
McCulloch noved,Bearnan seconded, to recommend to the City Council denial of the
request of rezoning from Rural to R1-13.S for Garrison Forest 2nd for the reasons
stated at the Commission's July 2S, 2977 meeting and because of the 3 unbuildable
lots within the proposed plat. Notion carried unanimmsly.
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -7- August S. 1977
VI- OLD BUSINESS none
VII. NEW BUSINESS none
VIII. PLANNER'S REPORT
A. Guide Plan workbook
B. Proposed Residential Districts
C. Planning Reference File
1?ie planner referred the commission to the material handed-oust that evening,
6. THE COM MITY IEVELOP[4ENT PROCESS, and suggested the Commission establish
a special meeting in order to adequately cover. the Guide Plan
Workbook and Planning Reference File.
lotion '
McCulloch moved, Retterath seconded, to set Monday, August 29, 1977 , at
6:00 PM as a Special Planning Commission meeting to be held at the City
Hall for the purpose of discussing the Guide Plan Workbook and Planning
keference File. Notion carried unanimously.
Nh:. Don Brauer then bsiefly discussed the Guide Alan workbook and answered
Commission questions.
U. ADJOURNMM
McCulloch moved, Bearman sec, -ded, to adjourn the meeting at 11 : 10 PM.
Notion carried.
Respectfully submitted,
Jean Johnson