Planning Commission - 06/13/1977 1
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A G E N D A
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, June 13, 1977
7:30 PM, City Hall
Invocation -•- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
COMrlISSION MEMBERS: Chairman Sundstrom, Schee, Redpath, McCulloch, Bearman,
Lynch,Retterath
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam, Jim Jensen, Jean Johnson
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA r
II. MINUTES OF THE MAY 23, i977 MEETING
Ill. !EMBERS REPORTS
A. Chaiman Sundstrom
B. Others '
IV. - REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Outlot F. Edenvale Industrial Park, request to rezone from I-General
to I-2 Park and platting of the existing 3 'Lots into S lots. A con-
tinued public hearing.
B. Edenvale Industrial Park 2nd Addition, Block 2 Replat, request to
replat the lots within Block 2. The area is presently zoned I-2 Park.
A public hearing.
C. Edenvale Family Recreational Center Replat, request to replat Lot 3,
Block 1, Edenvale Industrial Park into four lots . The property .is
presently zoned Community Commercial . A public hearing.
D. t le Leaf Acres Third Addition, by Jarip Corporation, request to rezone
from Rural to RI-13. S for approximately 62 acres and from aural to Com-
munity Commercial for approximately 1 .S acres;and preliminary plat approval
for 146 lots for single family. A public hearing.
x Highpoint 4th Addition, The Preserve, request to rezone from RM 2.5 to
R1-13. 5 and preliminary plat 43 lots on approximately 25 acres The
site is located West of Co. Rd. 13 aid South of Awsden Hills . A continued
public hearing.
F. Garrison Forest 2nd Addition, The Preserve, request to rezone €ion Rural
to RI-13. S amd prelb- inary plat 43 lots on approximately 2S acres. The
site is i4cated West of Co. Rd. 18 and South of Awsden Road. A continued
public hearing.
G. Amsden Hills 2rd AdditionS, The Preserve, request to rezone from Rural
to R1-1 . iind preliminary plat approval for 33 lots on approxi atoly
IS acres. The sits is located West of proposed Garrison Rorest 2nd
an3 South of Arsd,-^ Road. A continued public nearing.
H. Timber Lakes , design change.
I. wolf EroP_e_rt�, Pioneer Trail , acquisition by Metropolitan Airports Com-
m ss on fr pf;aser Schools. -
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Agenda-Planning Commission Meeting pate 2
Monday, June 13, 1977
IV. REPORTS AND RECOWNDATIOKS, Continued
J. Mobile homes, discussion of conditions and circumstances.
K. Metropolitan System Statement.
V. PETITIONS AND RE STS
VI. OLD BUSINESS
VII. NEW BUSINESS
VIII. PLANNER'S REPORT
IX. ADJOURNWNT
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EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMISSION
approved
Monday, June 13 1977 7:30 City Hall
COIMMISSION PRESENT: Chairman Stmdstrom, Schee, Lynch, Retterath, RParmar
COMMISSION ABSENT: McCulloch, Redpath
STAFF PRESENT: Di ek Put!!wn,
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Schee moved, Dearman seconded, to place under New Business , 1. Discussion
of Acting Chairman for the .Tune 27th meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
Schee moved, Besrman seconded, to approve the agenda as amended. Motion
carried unanimously.
II. MINUTES OF THE MAY 239 1977 MEETING
P. 2,B. ,4th T, change spoke to spoken.
Lynch moved, Retterath seconded, to approve- the minutes as corrected and
published. Motion carried unanimously.
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairman Sundstrom. none
B. Others . nune
IV. REPORTS AND RECONWNDATIONS
A. Outlot F, Edenvale Industrial Park, request to rezone from I-General to
I-2 Park and platting of the existing 3 lots into S lots. A continued
•public hearing.
The planner reported the request is to replat Outlot F into 5 lots, 3 being less
than 2 acres. Ne then referred the Commission to the staff report dated June 7th
in which 0e staff is recommending approval of the requests contingent upon the
variances listed on page 2.
Mr. Peterson, Edenvale Inc. , stated small industrial lots are in demand and they
are requesting side, front and rear setbacks for the lots as was granted for
the industrial park to the east.
Beazman asked to be updated on the previous request for Outlot F. The planner
replied the previous request; (Feb. 177 ) , was for platting into 3 lots with
zoning of I-General and 1-2 Park with some outside storage. He stated the
present request is not for outside storage.
Chairman Sundstroo asked if any member in the audience hod ques .ions or comments.
Hone were raised.
Motion 1:
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to close the public hearing cir. r
preliminary plat. Motion carried unanimously.
Motian2:
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
rezoning from I- General to I-2 Park for Outlot F, Edenvale Industrial Park,
as per the recc=endations contained in the staff report dated June 7, 1977.
approved
Planning Commission -2- June 13, 1977
Discussion
• Bearman inquired if the zoning of the property has been established as I-General .
'the planner replied the City Attorney would have an opinion by the time the item
is reviewed by the Council.
Sundstrom inquired if the 10 foot distance between the buildings and lot lines
would create an access problem to the rear of the buildings. The planner replied
access to the rear of all lots would be. necessary and worked-out with the
Engineering" Department.
Vote : Motion carried unanimously.
Motion3:
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
Outlot F preliminary plat dated April 28, 1977 as per the recommendations of
the June 7, 1977 staff report. Motion carried unanimously.
B. Edenvale Industrial Park 2nd Addition, Block 2 Replat, request to replat the
lots within Block 2, The area is presently zoned I-2 Park.
The planner reported Mr. Peterson has submitted a preliminary plat redesigning the
lots within Block 2 so that they all have frontage on a p,:blic street as per the
Commission's direction in approving the Rieman Road vacation at their previous
meeting.
Mr, Peterson stated Rieman Road was not needed by the present owners and the replat ,
through combination of lets, insuresthat future lots will have frontage on a public
street. He stated the users within the park do not favor the use of a condominium
association. He believed 2 buildings on one lot would only be feasible if there -
was a single owner.
Chairman Sundstrom asked if any member in the audience had questions or comments.
None were raised.
Motionl :
Bearman moved, Lynch seconded, to close the public hearing on the Replat of Block 2
Edenvale Induct rial Park 2nd Addition, Motion carried unanimously.
Motion2:
Bearman moved, Schee seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
Replat of Block 2, Edenvale Industrial Park 2nd Addition, dated June, 1977 as
per the letter dated June 8, 1977 from Mr. Peterson. Notion carried unanimously.
C. Edenvale Family Recreational Center Replat. request to replat lot 3, Block I,
Edenvale industrial Park into four lots. The property is presently zoned
Community Commercial.
The planner informed the Commission the original approval for the project consisted
of recreational/service uses with joint parking and shared accesses. Todate ,
McDonalds is built, umse
Pnother freestanding restaurant will be built this sr and
the present request is to replat one lot into 4 lots for additional freestanding
. uses.
Mr. Peterson stated the original plan for a recreational complex has not worked
out over the past 1h years. Fresently there are options for a raquet ball club
and a Mr. Steak Restaurant. He stated the prospective users do went visibility
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Planning Commission -3- June 13, 1977
• • from TH S and since some of the lots will not front onto a public street a
condominium association will be necessary to maintain the access street.
He stated he has received approval from the State Highway Department for an
in-only AccPcc off wear bor..,a w c
Lynch suggested the City Attorney investigate the use of condominium associations.
The planner believed the best solution would Le to have the street public.
Mr. Peterson stated presently an easement exists between McDonald and Js and
he feels the condominium association is the best solution.
Bearman stated he does no: favor the condominium association set-up.
Schee expressed concern that the present parking problems could increase if a,i
adequate street and parking are not installed.
Peterson stated McDonald's does have an easement to the north property for
additional parking. He added that the parkin-7 does meet City Ordinance.
Schee inquired if there is a signage program for the development. Peterson
stated prospective users are told to conform to City Ordinance.
Chairman Sundstrom inquired if any members of the audience had questions or
® comments. Mr. Bill Henning, representing the raquet ball court use, stated
they desire beginning construction as soon as city approvals are granted.
Dearman inquired if the recreational center would be landscaped as per the
Rezoning Agreement. Peterson replied each individual use would landscape as
per City Ordinance.
Sandstrom inquired if an overall plan is still in effect for the area. Peterson
replied the shopping/recreational center will not be a reality , but he is
attempting to conform with the original plan's general intent.
Motionl•
Schee moved, Dearman seconded, to close the public hearing on the Edenvale
Recreational Center Replat. Motion carried unanimously.
Mot i on2 :
Schee moved, Dearman seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
Edenvale Recreational Center Replat as per the Engineer's report dated June 9, 1977.
Discussion:
Dearman believed an opinion from the City Attorney would be helpful so the City
is aware what the condominium association will and will not entail. He Elso
suggested the easement for the north/south traffic movement be -part of the plat.
Sundstroa exptessed concern that the present uses along TH S are undesirable and
contrary to the original agreement; and that the buildings should be placed along
the east fide of the site and parking along Mitchell Road.
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approved
Planning Commission Minutes -4- June 13, 1977
Vote Motion failed 1 :4 with Schee voting aye.
Retterath' s nayvote was because of the or traffic movement parkin and
Po parking
building orientations.
Lynch' s nay vote was because he did not feel the proposed road was adequate
and is unsure what the condominium association would entail.
Bearman concurred with Lynch.
D. ale Leaf Acres Third Addition, by Jarip Corporation, request to rezone
fr3m Rural to R1-13.5 for approximately 62 acres and from Rural to Community
Commercial for approximately 1. 3 acres; and preliminary plat approval for
146 lots.
Ttieplanner outlined the project's location, surrounding uses and the two major
road systems: Dell Road and Valley View Road.
Mr. Irvine introduced himself as Secretary of Jarip Corporation and Mrs. Irvine
as President, stating they are the sole owners of Jarip Corporation. He then
introduced Mr. Griswold, Landscape Architect , Griswold & Associates, projects
designer.
Mr. Griswold reviewed the proposal outlining the stands of tzees, surrounding
single family uses, average lot size of 13,789, new alignment of Duck Lake Trail
to intersect with Dell Road's extension and the convenience commercial next to
Hidde Ponds open space.
Mr. Karl., 7286 Tartan Curve, did not feel the neighborhood needs a commercial
( -,- ter because Chanhassen is only 1 mile away. He believed it would detract
froke the single family character of the area.
Mr. Griswold stated the center would provide walk-in convenience on one of the
last remaining sites in the Northwest corner of the City.
The planner informed the Commission the staff has prepared a report on the
zoning and platting request, but would like more time to formulate a report
on the commercial request.
Bob Maxwell, 7269 Tartan Curve, did not feel the north/south road is needed as
TH 101 carries the north/south traffic. He believed the lot sizes were too
small and the commercial area, if approved, should be moved into the Maple
Leaf Acres property and not adjacent to Hidden Ponds.
W.- MrKillip, 7103 Tartan Curve, inquired what percentage of traffic would use
Dell Road instead of TH 101. The planner estimated the majority of traffic
would use Dell Road if it is constructed.
Jerry Catt, 18600 Duck Lake Trail, objected to Dell Road being placed through
a single family area and believed it would be a waste of tax money since TH 101
is only 1/2 mile away .
Mr. Rawss, 7138 Ticonderoga Trail, asked if the development would have storm
water. Mr. Griswold responded there would be surface drainage.
Mr. Glisczinski, 7152 Ticonderoga Trail, felt the City should adhere to the
13,500 square foot lot site requirement in Ora. 135 and not grant variances.
• .approved
Planning Commission Minutes -5- June 13, 1977
Mr. McKillip expressed concern that the new residents would not be governed by
the same rules as Hidden Pond residents.
Mrs. Glisczinski, also expressed concern that no homeowner's association is
being proposed.
Mr. Luchansky, 7143 Ticonderoga Trail, felt the proponent should have more than
one development proposal.
Jerry Catt inquired if the Edengate proposal would be back to the City and stated
he believes Dell Road is inconsistent with the Purgatory Creek Study.
The planner stated the City may again be reviewing the Edengate proposal.
Mrs. Marilyn Catt asked if the Commission and staff consider the residents'
input. ChairsanSunds-cran replied the public hearing's purpose is to gain the
input of residents and landowners.
Mr. Irvine stated the flexibility of developing the property is limited because
of the road locations.
Mrs. Irvine stated their original plan did include a park site but the city
staff has recomiended cash in lieu of land dedication and Dell Road's location
limits an open space possibility.
Mrs. luchansky did not feel Dell Road is needed. The planner replied if there
is no north/south parkway alot of traffic will be using Ticonderoga Trail which
is a residential street.
John Hamilton, 19070 fir estead Circle, asked if the Commission would be making
recommendations on the two rez,-ning requests. Sundstron replied the come;ssion
soy decide to do so.
Lynch questioned the necessity of the additional lots above the 2 units / acre.
The planner felt the staff would like additional time to investigate solutions
to the problems and questions raised this evening.
Motion:
Lynch mov ed, RetteratN seconded, to continue the Maple Leaf Acres Third Additive
pnbli,c hearing to the Comission's next meting. Motion carried unanimously.
9. HiAbnint 4th Addition The Preserve. request to rezone from! RN 2.S to
-133 and prel itina&,V plat 43 lots on approximately 2S acres . The
site is located Msrst of Co. Ad, 18 an3 South of Amden Hills. A continued
public heartag .
1U plmrner referred the Commission to the staff report dated. June 7, 1977 and -
tb* Eagisler's report dated June 9, 1977 stating the staff is recommending
sppleral of the project.
c Lit Rettemb asked if the project would be -developed by cane developer. Mr. Hess ,
7W Remo +e, stated the project wa4d be built by various developers.
'approved
• Planning Commission Minutes -6- Jame 13, 1977
AM Mr. Hess informed the Commission Outlot B will remain an open field (not a
m r aeveloped totlot) , an attempt will be made to retain as much natural vegeta-
tion as possible 4 a path system as per figure 2 in the staff report is agre%_
able .
Sundstrom inquires; how many lots were smaller than 13,500 square feet. '
Mr. Hess was unsure stating it is similar to High Point single family .
Notion! :
Lynch moved, Schee seconded, to close the public hearing on High Point 4th
Addition preliminary plat. Motion carried unanimously.
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Moti on2:
Lynch moved, Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of
the High Point 4th rezoning from RM 2. 5 to RI-13.S as per the recommendations
in the staff report dated June 7, 1977 and the Engineer's report dated June 7,
1977. Motion carried unanimously.
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Motion3:
Lynch moved, Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of
the preliminary plat for Highpoint 4th Addition for 43 lots based upon the
following conditions :
1. Rezoning from ni 2.5 to R1-13. 5 with lot size, density and
setback variances listed in the Planning Staff Report of 6/7/77.
2- Preliminary plat approval subject to the following conditions :
a. seeding and/or sodding of steep slopes immediately
following construction and erosion control measures
during construction to prevent excessivesoil loss and
siltation into Neill Lake.
b. an area in Outlot B be constructed as a totlot or open
play area.
C. grading should necur to retain the natural charReter of
the land and vegetation be saved wherever possible.
d. lots 21 and 22 be filled to prepare building pads of adequate
elevation.
e. a trail >ystem be completed as shown in figure 2 Thepathway to
he consistent with existing, Preserve pathway standards .
f. A mien Showing mi,ninnim .loon elevation for ench lot be
submittcd and approved by the City staff before final plat
approval .
Motion carried unanimously.
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -7- June 130 1977
F. Garrison Forest 2nd Addition The Preserve request to rezone from Rural
to RI-13.S and preliminary plat approval for 33 lots on approximate)
15 acres. The site is located West of proposed Garrison Forest 2nd Addition
and south of Assden Road.
The planner inforwd th(a Commission the staff has not yet prepared a report on
Garrison Forest 2nd or Amsden Hills 2nd because there still exists a question
relative to right-of-Way between the staff and The Preserve. He suggested the
Commission continue the item, due to the late hour, and the staff would pro-
cee on developing a report.
Motion
Schee moved, Retterath seconded, to continue the Fublic hearings for Garrison
Forest 2nd and Amsden Hills 2nd to the next meeting for a staff report .
Motion carried unanimously.
Don Hess asked permission to outline The Preserve's position on the read right-
of-way.
Mr. Hess stated the road of 100 ' right-of-May involves two owners-Eden Prairie
and The Preserve, and The Preserve proposes the cost be split SO:SO. He believed
a different road alignment would preserve mr:c trees and slopes than the staff"s
alignment and that half of the right-of-way should be from the city park property.
H. Timber makes, design change
The planner summarized the change as location of units on the point and
lengthening of the street to 1,400 feet. He stated the Planning and Engineering
Departments are recommending approval of the change.
Mr. Dick Miller, Richard Miller Construction, stated the road width has been
increased from 24 feet to 27 Zeet to provide for parking on one side and they
do intend to meet the recommendations of the June loth staff report.
Motion :
Schee moved, Retterath seconded, to accept the design change for the Timber Lakes
Townhouses as per the recommendations of the staff report dated June 10, 1977
with the following change to item C. ( change the 877.8 figure to 872.0
I. Wolf Property
Notion:
L-�,A ch"Ved s Schee eecn..ded, to cr:::in ue t'.et i tww to tiv nextt ;hating d" to th8 -
late hour. Motion carried unanimously.
J. Mobile Homes
Lynd mo— v d Retterath seconded, to continue the item to the next meeting due
to the late hour. Motion cazTied unanisously.
K. Ne__t,r__Mli, tan System statement
Lynch moved, Retterath secon`ded.- to continue the item to the next meetinr, due
to the late tour. Motion carried unanimously
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approved
Planning Commission Minutes -8- June 13. 1977
V. PETITIONS
IONS AND fcEQWSTS
none
1/I. OID RUSINFSS
none
VII. NEW BUSINESS
As Commission members Lynch, Beaman and Sundst-.n would not be in town
for the next regularly scheduled meeting of June 27th the commission
discussed alternate nights or cancelling the meeting.
Notion
chee moved. Retterath seconded, to cancel the meeting of June 27tb mid
to have the next regularly scheduled m,!,�eting, July 11, 1977. Motion carried
unanimous ly.
VIII. PLANNER'S REPORT
The planner asked if the Commission would agree that the Council could set
public hearings on Maple Leaf Acre, Garrison Forest 2nd and laden Hills
2nd at their convenience as the commission would not be meting June 27
and will most likely have a recommendation at their July 11th omtiug.
It was agreeable to the Commission.
IX. ADJOLWOENT
Retterath moved, Schee seconded, to adjourn at 12:30 A.M. Motion carried
unanimously.
Respectfully submitted,
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