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Planning Commission - 06/13/1977 1 I A G E N D A Eden Prairie Planning Commission Monday, June 13, 1977 7:30 PM, City Hall Invocation -•- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call COMrlISSION MEMBERS: Chairman Sundstrom, Schee, Redpath, McCulloch, Bearman, Lynch,Retterath STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam, Jim Jensen, Jean Johnson I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA r II. MINUTES OF THE MAY 23, i977 MEETING Ill. !EMBERS REPORTS A. Chaiman Sundstrom B. Others ' IV. - REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS A. Outlot F. Edenvale Industrial Park, request to rezone from I-General to I-2 Park and platting of the existing 3 'Lots into S lots. A con- tinued public hearing. B. Edenvale Industrial Park 2nd Addition, Block 2 Replat, request to replat the lots within Block 2. The area is presently zoned I-2 Park. A public hearing. C. Edenvale Family Recreational Center Replat, request to replat Lot 3, Block 1, Edenvale Industrial Park into four lots . The property .is presently zoned Community Commercial . A public hearing. D. t le Leaf Acres Third Addition, by Jarip Corporation, request to rezone from Rural to RI-13. S for approximately 62 acres and from aural to Com- munity Commercial for approximately 1 .S acres;and preliminary plat approval for 146 lots for single family. A public hearing. x Highpoint 4th Addition, The Preserve, request to rezone from RM 2.5 to R1-13. 5 and preliminary plat 43 lots on approximately 25 acres The site is located West of Co. Rd. 13 aid South of Awsden Hills . A continued public hearing. F. Garrison Forest 2nd Addition, The Preserve, request to rezone €ion Rural to RI-13. S amd prelb- inary plat 43 lots on approximately 2S acres. The site is i4cated West of Co. Rd. 18 and South of Awsden Road. A continued public hearing. G. Amsden Hills 2rd AdditionS, The Preserve, request to rezone from Rural to R1-1 . iind preliminary plat approval for 33 lots on approxi atoly IS acres. The sits is located West of proposed Garrison Rorest 2nd an3 South of Arsd,-^ Road. A continued public nearing. H. Timber Lakes , design change. I. wolf EroP_e_rt�, Pioneer Trail , acquisition by Metropolitan Airports Com- m ss on fr pf;aser Schools. - •-aver-- yri '�••c`-,�. ,-.�. , ,T►,:;.'Z'31."aw9!,'` '!`? -�w+,w,. t •''4.RF"!x::�'.'�:s.�'.:. may,..':�-.�.r yekt.':�.p.r• ' .': :.ie.Fr'lfFs»S.7ae..�rer ,r,...�.....��.�. _ - Agenda-Planning Commission Meeting pate 2 Monday, June 13, 1977 IV. REPORTS AND RECOWNDATIOKS, Continued J. Mobile homes, discussion of conditions and circumstances. K. Metropolitan System Statement. V. PETITIONS AND RE STS VI. OLD BUSINESS VII. NEW BUSINESS VIII. PLANNER'S REPORT IX. ADJOURNWNT ___-'—_ice. s.�u,...�KSi.''. ._ \„may .! •ii.c"'icye�i�l"�+.+:iA Ir .���/�� 5`. � �' •J`�irfJl�L�r=— �WY�� lblLr�l.� w MINUrES EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMISSION approved Monday, June 13 1977 7:30 City Hall COIMMISSION PRESENT: Chairman Stmdstrom, Schee, Lynch, Retterath, RParmar COMMISSION ABSENT: McCulloch, Redpath STAFF PRESENT: Di ek Put!!wn, Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Schee moved, Dearman seconded, to place under New Business , 1. Discussion of Acting Chairman for the .Tune 27th meeting. Motion carried unanimously. Schee moved, Besrman seconded, to approve the agenda as amended. Motion carried unanimously. II. MINUTES OF THE MAY 239 1977 MEETING P. 2,B. ,4th T, change spoke to spoken. Lynch moved, Retterath seconded, to approve- the minutes as corrected and published. Motion carried unanimously. III. MEMBERS REPORTS A. Chairman Sundstrom. none B. Others . nune IV. REPORTS AND RECONWNDATIONS A. Outlot F, Edenvale Industrial Park, request to rezone from I-General to I-2 Park and platting of the existing 3 lots into S lots. A continued •public hearing. The planner reported the request is to replat Outlot F into 5 lots, 3 being less than 2 acres. Ne then referred the Commission to the staff report dated June 7th in which 0e staff is recommending approval of the requests contingent upon the variances listed on page 2. Mr. Peterson, Edenvale Inc. , stated small industrial lots are in demand and they are requesting side, front and rear setbacks for the lots as was granted for the industrial park to the east. Beazman asked to be updated on the previous request for Outlot F. The planner replied the previous request; (Feb. 177 ) , was for platting into 3 lots with zoning of I-General and 1-2 Park with some outside storage. He stated the present request is not for outside storage. Chairman Sundstroo asked if any member in the audience hod ques .ions or comments. Hone were raised. Motion 1: Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to close the public hearing cir. r preliminary plat. Motion carried unanimously. Motian2: Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the rezoning from I- General to I-2 Park for Outlot F, Edenvale Industrial Park, as per the recc=endations contained in the staff report dated June 7, 1977. approved Planning Commission -2- June 13, 1977 Discussion • Bearman inquired if the zoning of the property has been established as I-General . 'the planner replied the City Attorney would have an opinion by the time the item is reviewed by the Council. Sundstrom inquired if the 10 foot distance between the buildings and lot lines would create an access problem to the rear of the buildings. The planner replied access to the rear of all lots would be. necessary and worked-out with the Engineering" Department. Vote : Motion carried unanimously. Motion3: Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the Outlot F preliminary plat dated April 28, 1977 as per the recommendations of the June 7, 1977 staff report. Motion carried unanimously. B. Edenvale Industrial Park 2nd Addition, Block 2 Replat, request to replat the lots within Block 2, The area is presently zoned I-2 Park. The planner reported Mr. Peterson has submitted a preliminary plat redesigning the lots within Block 2 so that they all have frontage on a p,:blic street as per the Commission's direction in approving the Rieman Road vacation at their previous meeting. Mr, Peterson stated Rieman Road was not needed by the present owners and the replat , through combination of lets, insuresthat future lots will have frontage on a public street. He stated the users within the park do not favor the use of a condominium association. He believed 2 buildings on one lot would only be feasible if there - was a single owner. Chairman Sundstrom asked if any member in the audience had questions or comments. None were raised. Motionl : Bearman moved, Lynch seconded, to close the public hearing on the Replat of Block 2 Edenvale Induct rial Park 2nd Addition, Motion carried unanimously. Motion2: Bearman moved, Schee seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the Replat of Block 2, Edenvale Industrial Park 2nd Addition, dated June, 1977 as per the letter dated June 8, 1977 from Mr. Peterson. Notion carried unanimously. C. Edenvale Family Recreational Center Replat. request to replat lot 3, Block I, Edenvale industrial Park into four lots. The property is presently zoned Community Commercial. The planner informed the Commission the original approval for the project consisted of recreational/service uses with joint parking and shared accesses. Todate , McDonalds is built, umse Pnother freestanding restaurant will be built this sr and the present request is to replat one lot into 4 lots for additional freestanding . uses. Mr. Peterson stated the original plan for a recreational complex has not worked out over the past 1h years. Fresently there are options for a raquet ball club and a Mr. Steak Restaurant. He stated the prospective users do went visibility - -- - — =:[i:7iv�.w • .:5�" �_'� .+sue � ::..e y j��fi�S`��.���.7f4+wrs�r"v►�3��ir'���;' yyr, . • approved Planning Commission -3- June 13, 1977 • • from TH S and since some of the lots will not front onto a public street a condominium association will be necessary to maintain the access street. He stated he has received approval from the State Highway Department for an in-only AccPcc off wear bor..,a w c Lynch suggested the City Attorney investigate the use of condominium associations. The planner believed the best solution would Le to have the street public. Mr. Peterson stated presently an easement exists between McDonald and Js and he feels the condominium association is the best solution. Bearman stated he does no: favor the condominium association set-up. Schee expressed concern that the present parking problems could increase if a,i adequate street and parking are not installed. Peterson stated McDonald's does have an easement to the north property for additional parking. He added that the parkin-7 does meet City Ordinance. Schee inquired if there is a signage program for the development. Peterson stated prospective users are told to conform to City Ordinance. Chairman Sundstrom inquired if any members of the audience had questions or ® comments. Mr. Bill Henning, representing the raquet ball court use, stated they desire beginning construction as soon as city approvals are granted. Dearman inquired if the recreational center would be landscaped as per the Rezoning Agreement. Peterson replied each individual use would landscape as per City Ordinance. Sandstrom inquired if an overall plan is still in effect for the area. Peterson replied the shopping/recreational center will not be a reality , but he is attempting to conform with the original plan's general intent. Motionl• Schee moved, Dearman seconded, to close the public hearing on the Edenvale Recreational Center Replat. Motion carried unanimously. Mot i on2 : Schee moved, Dearman seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the Edenvale Recreational Center Replat as per the Engineer's report dated June 9, 1977. Discussion: Dearman believed an opinion from the City Attorney would be helpful so the City is aware what the condominium association will and will not entail. He Elso suggested the easement for the north/south traffic movement be -part of the plat. Sundstroa exptessed concern that the present uses along TH S are undesirable and contrary to the original agreement; and that the buildings should be placed along the east fide of the site and parking along Mitchell Road. ,. 1 k� �7 ,_{Y' approved Planning Commission Minutes -4- June 13, 1977 Vote Motion failed 1 :4 with Schee voting aye. Retterath' s nayvote was because of the or traffic movement parkin and Po parking building orientations. Lynch' s nay vote was because he did not feel the proposed road was adequate and is unsure what the condominium association would entail. Bearman concurred with Lynch. D. ale Leaf Acres Third Addition, by Jarip Corporation, request to rezone fr3m Rural to R1-13.5 for approximately 62 acres and from Rural to Community Commercial for approximately 1. 3 acres; and preliminary plat approval for 146 lots. Ttieplanner outlined the project's location, surrounding uses and the two major road systems: Dell Road and Valley View Road. Mr. Irvine introduced himself as Secretary of Jarip Corporation and Mrs. Irvine as President, stating they are the sole owners of Jarip Corporation. He then introduced Mr. Griswold, Landscape Architect , Griswold & Associates, projects designer. Mr. Griswold reviewed the proposal outlining the stands of tzees, surrounding single family uses, average lot size of 13,789, new alignment of Duck Lake Trail to intersect with Dell Road's extension and the convenience commercial next to Hidde Ponds open space. Mr. Karl., 7286 Tartan Curve, did not feel the neighborhood needs a commercial ( -,- ter because Chanhassen is only 1 mile away. He believed it would detract froke the single family character of the area. Mr. Griswold stated the center would provide walk-in convenience on one of the last remaining sites in the Northwest corner of the City. The planner informed the Commission the staff has prepared a report on the zoning and platting request, but would like more time to formulate a report on the commercial request. Bob Maxwell, 7269 Tartan Curve, did not feel the north/south road is needed as TH 101 carries the north/south traffic. He believed the lot sizes were too small and the commercial area, if approved, should be moved into the Maple Leaf Acres property and not adjacent to Hidden Ponds. W.- MrKillip, 7103 Tartan Curve, inquired what percentage of traffic would use Dell Road instead of TH 101. The planner estimated the majority of traffic would use Dell Road if it is constructed. Jerry Catt, 18600 Duck Lake Trail, objected to Dell Road being placed through a single family area and believed it would be a waste of tax money since TH 101 is only 1/2 mile away . Mr. Rawss, 7138 Ticonderoga Trail, asked if the development would have storm water. Mr. Griswold responded there would be surface drainage. Mr. Glisczinski, 7152 Ticonderoga Trail, felt the City should adhere to the 13,500 square foot lot site requirement in Ora. 135 and not grant variances. • .approved Planning Commission Minutes -5- June 13, 1977 Mr. McKillip expressed concern that the new residents would not be governed by the same rules as Hidden Pond residents. Mrs. Glisczinski, also expressed concern that no homeowner's association is being proposed. Mr. Luchansky, 7143 Ticonderoga Trail, felt the proponent should have more than one development proposal. Jerry Catt inquired if the Edengate proposal would be back to the City and stated he believes Dell Road is inconsistent with the Purgatory Creek Study. The planner stated the City may again be reviewing the Edengate proposal. Mrs. Marilyn Catt asked if the Commission and staff consider the residents' input. ChairsanSunds-cran replied the public hearing's purpose is to gain the input of residents and landowners. Mr. Irvine stated the flexibility of developing the property is limited because of the road locations. Mrs. Irvine stated their original plan did include a park site but the city staff has recomiended cash in lieu of land dedication and Dell Road's location limits an open space possibility. Mrs. luchansky did not feel Dell Road is needed. The planner replied if there is no north/south parkway alot of traffic will be using Ticonderoga Trail which is a residential street. John Hamilton, 19070 fir estead Circle, asked if the Commission would be making recommendations on the two rez,-ning requests. Sundstron replied the come;ssion soy decide to do so. Lynch questioned the necessity of the additional lots above the 2 units / acre. The planner felt the staff would like additional time to investigate solutions to the problems and questions raised this evening. Motion: Lynch mov ed, RetteratN seconded, to continue the Maple Leaf Acres Third Additive pnbli,c hearing to the Comission's next meting. Motion carried unanimously. 9. HiAbnint 4th Addition The Preserve. request to rezone from! RN 2.S to -133 and prel itina&,V plat 43 lots on approximately 2S acres . The site is located Msrst of Co. Ad, 18 an3 South of Amden Hills. A continued public heartag . 1U plmrner referred the Commission to the staff report dated. June 7, 1977 and - tb* Eagisler's report dated June 9, 1977 stating the staff is recommending sppleral of the project. c Lit Rettemb asked if the project would be -developed by cane developer. Mr. Hess , 7W Remo +e, stated the project wa4d be built by various developers. 'approved • Planning Commission Minutes -6- Jame 13, 1977 AM Mr. Hess informed the Commission Outlot B will remain an open field (not a m r aeveloped totlot) , an attempt will be made to retain as much natural vegeta- tion as possible 4 a path system as per figure 2 in the staff report is agre%_ able . Sundstrom inquires; how many lots were smaller than 13,500 square feet. ' Mr. Hess was unsure stating it is similar to High Point single family . Notion! : Lynch moved, Schee seconded, to close the public hearing on High Point 4th Addition preliminary plat. Motion carried unanimously. 1 Moti on2: Lynch moved, Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the High Point 4th rezoning from RM 2. 5 to RI-13.S as per the recommendations in the staff report dated June 7, 1977 and the Engineer's report dated June 7, 1977. Motion carried unanimously. s Motion3: Lynch moved, Retterath seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat for Highpoint 4th Addition for 43 lots based upon the following conditions : 1. Rezoning from ni 2.5 to R1-13. 5 with lot size, density and setback variances listed in the Planning Staff Report of 6/7/77. 2- Preliminary plat approval subject to the following conditions : a. seeding and/or sodding of steep slopes immediately following construction and erosion control measures during construction to prevent excessivesoil loss and siltation into Neill Lake. b. an area in Outlot B be constructed as a totlot or open play area. C. grading should necur to retain the natural charReter of the land and vegetation be saved wherever possible. d. lots 21 and 22 be filled to prepare building pads of adequate elevation. e. a trail >ystem be completed as shown in figure 2 Thepathway to he consistent with existing, Preserve pathway standards . f. A mien Showing mi,ninnim .loon elevation for ench lot be submittcd and approved by the City staff before final plat approval . Motion carried unanimously. approved Planning Commission Minutes -7- June 130 1977 F. Garrison Forest 2nd Addition The Preserve request to rezone from Rural to RI-13.S and preliminary plat approval for 33 lots on approximate) 15 acres. The site is located West of proposed Garrison Forest 2nd Addition and south of Assden Road. The planner inforwd th(a Commission the staff has not yet prepared a report on Garrison Forest 2nd or Amsden Hills 2nd because there still exists a question relative to right-of-Way between the staff and The Preserve. He suggested the Commission continue the item, due to the late hour, and the staff would pro- cee on developing a report. Motion Schee moved, Retterath seconded, to continue the Fublic hearings for Garrison Forest 2nd and Amsden Hills 2nd to the next meeting for a staff report . Motion carried unanimously. Don Hess asked permission to outline The Preserve's position on the read right- of-way. Mr. Hess stated the road of 100 ' right-of-May involves two owners-Eden Prairie and The Preserve, and The Preserve proposes the cost be split SO:SO. He believed a different road alignment would preserve mr:c trees and slopes than the staff"s alignment and that half of the right-of-way should be from the city park property. H. Timber makes, design change The planner summarized the change as location of units on the point and lengthening of the street to 1,400 feet. He stated the Planning and Engineering Departments are recommending approval of the change. Mr. Dick Miller, Richard Miller Construction, stated the road width has been increased from 24 feet to 27 Zeet to provide for parking on one side and they do intend to meet the recommendations of the June loth staff report. Motion : Schee moved, Retterath seconded, to accept the design change for the Timber Lakes Townhouses as per the recommendations of the staff report dated June 10, 1977 with the following change to item C. ( change the 877.8 figure to 872.0 I. Wolf Property Notion: L-�,A ch"Ved s Schee eecn..ded, to cr:::in ue t'.et i tww to tiv nextt ;hating d" to th8 - late hour. Motion carried unanimously. J. Mobile Homes Lynd mo— v d Retterath seconded, to continue the item to the next meeting due to the late hour. Motion cazTied unanisously. K. Ne__t,r__Mli, tan System statement Lynch moved, Retterath secon`ded.- to continue the item to the next meetinr, due to the late tour. Motion carried unanimously ...:�`.�%7 ,. ':#:::.'i.Aa ;'„Xy'. '}:'��^:'':"�,1`',-"a% 1'Z"'\`i*X'' •Zl... '�(:�1tua�sra.sre�.- �,s.iewraa..uecr... ,�. �-- -- - approved Planning Commission Minutes -8- June 13. 1977 V. PETITIONS IONS AND fcEQWSTS none 1/I. OID RUSINFSS none VII. NEW BUSINESS As Commission members Lynch, Beaman and Sundst-.n would not be in town for the next regularly scheduled meeting of June 27th the commission discussed alternate nights or cancelling the meeting. Notion chee moved. Retterath seconded, to cancel the meeting of June 27tb mid to have the next regularly scheduled m,!,�eting, July 11, 1977. Motion carried unanimous ly. VIII. PLANNER'S REPORT The planner asked if the Commission would agree that the Council could set public hearings on Maple Leaf Acre, Garrison Forest 2nd and laden Hills 2nd at their convenience as the commission would not be meting June 27 and will most likely have a recommendation at their July 11th omtiug. It was agreeable to the Commission. IX. ADJOLWOENT Retterath moved, Schee seconded, to adjourn at 12:30 A.M. Motion carried unanimously. 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