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Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, March 14, 1977
7 :30 PM City Hall
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman Sorensen, Schee, Sundstrom, Bearman, Lynch,
Fosnocht, Pauly
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam, Jean Johnson
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II . MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 28, 1977 MEETING
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairman Sorensen
B. Council Representative Pauly
C. Others
IV. REPORTS AND RECONWNDATIONS
A. golf Vista, by Edenlaie, request to preliminary plat and rezone from Rural
to RM 2.5 approximately 14 acres for apartments and double bungalows . The
site is located in the northeast co_".rr of Valley View Road and Golf View
Drive. A continued public hearing.
B. Prairie East Third, by Hustads, request to preliminary plat and rezone
50 acres from Rural to RM 6.5 for 85 single favily lots. The site is
located west of Co. Rd. 18, south of Prairie East 1st and 2nd Additions.
A continued public hearing.
C. Hipps Mitchell Heights Addition, Outlot B, request to preliminary plat
Cutlot B into 14 lots. The site i zoned is RM b.5 and is located south of
Hipps Mitchell Heights townhouses $ east of Tamarack Trail . A continued
public hearing.
D. Hustad's Single Family Creek development, preliminary discussion.
E. Gunnar Electric Rezoning, request to rezone 2.3 acres at 12975 Pioneer
Trail from Rural to I-2 Park
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V. OLD BUSINESS ,
VI. NEW BUSINESS
VI I. PLANKER 4 S REPORT
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approved
Monday, March 14, 1977 7:30 PM City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Acting_chairaan Fosnocht, Schee, Beaman Sundscrow
IE14SERS ABSENT: Sorensen, Pauly, Lynch
STAFF PRESENT: Dick Putnam, Jean Johnson
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Fosnocht explained to the audience the cowmis:sion's concern that according
to Ordinance 77 which reads newbers whoose terms have expired
are to serve until March 1, 1977 ' . therefore the comission
questions whether his presence on the cowaeission this evening constitutes
a quorum. Fosnocht asked if anyone in the audience had any objections to
the co ission conducting the business on the agenda contingent on getting
a legal opinion the following day on whether the commission does have
a quorum. No objections were raised.
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Schee moved, Beaman seconded, to approve the agenda as submitted. The notion
carried unanimously.
II . MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 28, 1977 MEETING
P.4,a13cussion: should read- Sundstron felt the lots near the railroad
would be appropriate for outside storage.
Motion:
Bearnsn moved, Sundstrom seconded, to approve the minutes as written and corrected.
The notion carried 2:0:2 with Schee and Fosnocht abstaining because of their
absence from the Feb. 28th secting.
III . MEMBERS REPOPTS
A. Chairman Sorensen. absent
B. Council Representative Pauly. absent.
C. Schee
1 . Schee believed the commission should reorganize but
due w the question of quorum tonight , perhaps it could be the first
item on the comission's next regularly scheduled meeting. E
Notion:
moved, Boorman seconded, to place the item of reorganization on the
agenda for the eomission's March 28th meeting regardless of whether additional
appointments have been made and to check with the City Attorney on the question
of IessIi The motion earriad ;; in- ^xY bcc=-,c jib felt
reorgan i sat i on should be postponed until now appointments are made. _
IV, REPOM, MO 2 C 01 ElATI0RS
A. Golf Vista by Uvwa)e, request to preliminary plat and reione from
skitlgr-2.5 aWroxisately 14 acres for apartments and double bungs-
laws. The site is locatod in the northeast corner of Valley View Roach .
Golf View Orive. A continued publi: hearing.
The planner stated the itow had bawn continued from the previous seeting at the
p sponen 9s request and W. Peter is present this eV"ing to explain changes.
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Planning Commission approved
-2- March 14, 1977
Mr. Peterson stated the number of units have remained the same, a walkway
has been added from the multiple to the northern outlot, the cul-de-sac serving
some of the doubles is adequately setback from the Golf View 'Drive and Valley
View Road intersection and a small lower outlot is provided for the bituminous
pathway which will go under Valley View Road.
1"ne planner stated the staff feels the revised plan is a reasonable compromise
and the etaff is recommending approval of the request as it �.s consistent with
the PUD approved. He added some neighboring residents desire having diseased
trees replaced on the upper outlot. '
Bearman inquired if any variances were being requested. Mr. Peterson responded
trey desire the rental project having the possibility of conversion to condo-
miniums and therefore lot lines between units will be needed and 0 lot line
variances requested.
Sundstrom inquired it some of the drives could be consolidated. Peterson replied
possibly. Sundstrom inquired if the .space between the multiple and doubles was
sufficient and questioned if the distance could be widened. Mr. Peterson stated
the 50 feet between the units is sufficient .
Mr. Stephens, 14267 Wedgeway Court, ' inquired about the number of units it:volved
and the width of the driveways. Peterson replied the multiple would have 48
units, the doubles 24 units and the drives would be 16-20 feet wide.
Mr. Lee, 14091 Sundial Court, inquired if a stipulation would be put on the
• use of the northern outlot prohibiting any recreational development such as
tennis, ball diamonds , etc. Peterson responded the outlot would be turned
over to the Edenvale Association and they would have control over its use.
Mr. Olson, 14343 Golf View drive, inquired if each double unit would have a
double garage and objected to any on-street parking on golf View Drive. Peterson
replied the units would have double garages and perhaps no parking could be
posted by the city if necessary.
Motion 1 :
Schee moved, Bearman seconded, to close the rublic hearing on the Golf View
Addition preliminary plat. The motion carried unanimously. -
Notion 2 :
Kctite moved,, Bearman seconded, to recommend approval of the rezoning request
from Rural to RM 2.S and RM 6.S for the cosistruction of apartments and double
bungalows based upon the revised plan dated Feb. 1S, 1977 and the staff reports
dated Feb. 2S, 1977 and Feb. 109 1977. The motion carried unanimously.
Motion 3:
P-h p ov Bess...«. sacOns ded, to reco*mia approvai of the preliminary plat
for Golf Vista 14 acre multiple dwelling site as depicted on the revised plan
dated Feb. IS, 1977 and the staff repe, ts dated Feb. 25, 1977 and Feb. 10, 1977.
The motion carried unanimously.
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Planning Commission -3- March 14, 1977
B. Prairie East Third Addition, by Hustads, request to preliminary plat and
rezone 50 acres from Rural to RM 6. 5 for 8S single family lots. The site is
located west of Co. Rd. 18, south of Prairie East lst and 2nd Additions.
A continued public hearing.
Mr. Ostenson stated the plat has 85 iots with the average lot size being 13,200
square feet and the three outlots would be developed as follows: A-future single
family, B-extension of PUD to north and C-future single family.
Bearman inquired .: ;w many lots were below the 13,500 size. Ostenson estimated
one-half of the lots.
The planner referred the commission to the staff report and the concerns included
therein. relative to traffic, street capacity and lack of recreational space. He
stated the planning staff is recommending redesign of the proposal.
Rick Sather, McCombs-Knutson Engineers, engineers for the project, stated the
PUD approval was for greater density than this proposal, that Linden Drive need
not be a through street and disagrees with the traffic estimates contained in the
staff report.
Mr. Ostenson stated Hustads have worked with the Director of Community Services
regarding park/play space for this entire area, but todate no recommendation has
been made by the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission . He said
they intend to have a 12-IS acre park Fite northeast of this project. He felt
the road system contained in the staff report would be very costly and add an.
additional $1,000 % lot.
Bearman inquired if the cash in lieu of land fee would. be required. The planner
replied affirmative.
Bearman inquired if Hustads would be acceptable to Linden Drive having 60 foot
right-of-way with 32 feet blacktop surface. Ostenson felt it may be possible.
_- Fosnocht asked if the proponent would like more time to further wort. -out the
design with the staff. Ostenson replied he did not believe the engineering depart-
ment has any disagreements and additional meetings may not resolve the differences
with the planning department .
Bearman moved, Sches seconded, to close the public hearing on the Prairie East 'Third
preliminary plat. The motion carried unanimously.;
Notion 2 :
Dearman moved, Schee seconded, to recoaemend denial of the request of the planned
unit development request to be included with the Prairie East PUD based upon :
1 . 30% or more of the lots do not mast the ordinance.
2. question of Nottingham Drive's classification as a collector
and the possibility of higher volumes . (800 to 1S00)and subse-
quent problews .
bo the lack of location and definition of play / recreational areas.
Notion carried unanimously.
Motitm 3 T
Weearm�an moved, Schee seconded, to withdrawn the first motion closing the public hear. -
_ Ing and to continue the hearing to the March 28th meeting for redesign if the proponent
desires returning. Notion carried unanimously.
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approved
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C. Hips Mitchell Heights Addition, Outlot B, request to prelimi.ary plat
Outlot B into 14 lots. The site is zoned RN 6.5 and is located south of Hipps
Townhouses and east of Tamarack Trail, A continued public hearing.
Mr. Doug Goriesky,engineer, stated the preliminary plat is for 7 duplex" platted
as private ownership lots with 0 lot lines at the center of the units. He stated
the original approval was for townhouses and the present configuration will
require a variance for lot frontages on two lots.
The planner stated the townhouses to the north have a homeowner's association
and the association is concerned about the maintenance of the proposal under
private ownership. He further stated cash in lieu of land should be paid a- no
land can be dedicated todate and a sidewalk along Tamarack to the future city park
should be' constructed.
Fosnocht inquired if controls over the use and maintenance of the :nits would be
implemented by a document preventing unreasonable use of the units, i .e. painting
a unit a different color. Mr. Christenson, Minnesota Valley Surveyors g Engineer's
Corp. : stated a party wall agreement would be used to control the use and mainten-
ance of the units.
Mr. Atkins, 8220 Tamarack Trail, President of Hipps Mitchell Heights Townhouses
Association, spoke for the association in opposition to the request as it is in%con-
sistent with the PUD approved plan, no recreation has been provided todate in the
PUD and suggested the site plan be moved to a-i alternate site , to the southeast or
directly east, within the PUD.
Mr. Atkins then asked if off-street parking would be allowed. Mr. Goriesky stated
off-street parking is ailowed , but no excessive outside storage would be ailored.
Joe Rollins, 8204 Tamarack Trail , did not believe the party wall agreement would
be an enforceable tool and stated the site should be constructed in townhouses as
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Mr. Hyett, 8216 Tamarack Trail, asked for the size of the lot .frontages. Mr. Goriesky
replied 2 of the lots are SO' wide and the remainder meet the ordinance requirement.
Mr. Goriesky added no play space has been planned todato. but will be included is
a future addition.
Mrs. Yates, 8240 Tamarack Trail, expressed concern that the grounds be properly
maintained.
Mr. Hyett asked if an EIS would be done as there exists an a1twip.d"ce of xDdlife ;r
the area. The planner replied an EIS is not required for this size of a site.
Mr. Aycock, 8218 Tamarack Trail, a4ed if the proponent would consider moving the
project to Another site so the townhouses would not be isolated. Mr. Gorir..ky
did not believe the proponent desired using an alternate site.
Mr. Stokke, 832S Hiawatha Avenue, objected to the experimental duplex project in place
of the originally approved townhouses and asked that scwðing be done about the high
grass and debris on the site in quest-ion.
Mr. Bearman conturred with Mr. Stokke as he had driven by th+ site on Sunday and
alot of garbage exists.
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approved
Planning Commission Meeting -5- March 14, 1977
blot i on 1
Beaman moved, Schee seconded, to close the public hearing on the Hipps Mitchell
Heights Addition, Ckitlot B, preliminary plat . Motion carried unanimously.
Notion 2 •
Bearman moved, Sundstrom seconded, to recommend denial of the PUD development
stage plan consistent with the Hipp' sMitchell Heights Third Addition plat for
double bungalow lots based upon: the plan is inconsistent with the approved PUD,
the undecided legal aspect of joint wall agreements and other sites exist within
the PUD that would be more appropriate for the plan submitted. Motion carried
unanimously.
D. Ilustad's Single Family Creek development, preliminary discussion.
Jim Ostenson informed the commission their Bluff PUD will encompass 400 acres and
they will be requesting PUD approval on the 400 acres and zoning and platting on
the western 200 acres. He stated an EIS is being done and they plan to have the _
brochure done within a week.
Bearman asked what the average size lot would be Ostenson replied 80 x 135 .
Sundstrom inquired if public or private development has been decided for the creek
valley. The planner replied the council hay not made a decision todate but a
combination of the two seems the most feasible.
Sundstrom and Fosnocht expressed concern that the private development so near to
a public creek valley area may be detrimental due to dogs, cats, trespassers,
motor-bikes, etc. The planner stated he would try to arrange for a DNR representa-
tive, Wildlife Specialist or Park Reserve representative to be present at the next
meeting to answer the commifiion's questions relative to public/private use of the
creek valley.
E. Gunnar Electric Rezoning, request to rezone 2. 3 acres at 12975 Pioneer Trail
from Rural to I-2 Park.
Mr. Clay Gunnarson stated his zoning request is for the last lot of the M 6 K Addi-
tion, will be east of the existing I-2 lots, the building will be setback 100 feet
from Co. Rd. I and will not be affected by future realignment and he intends to
screen his industrial use from the single family home to the *past.
The planner referred the commission to the staff report and said the staff is
_ recommending approval of the request.
Fosnocht inquired how far back the other industrial uses are from Co. Rd. I .
Mr. Gunnarson replied approximately 5G feet.
W. Schaitberger, 12880 Pioneer Trail, stated he does not oppose industrial develop-
sent in the city if it is consistent with the Guide Plan but has opposed rezoning
requests on this lot as the open space provides him with a buffer from the existing
industrial uses. He suggested if the plan is approved the building be further
setback and an adequate buffer constructed. He stated he would prefer the site
zoned to residential.
approved
Planning Commission Meeting -6- March 14, 1977
Fosnocht asked what the distance is between the proposed building an% the
Schaitberger home. Gunnarson estimated 60 feet.
Schee asked what types of businesses would be within the building. Gunnarson
replied the building would house his electrical company and approximately 6 bays
would be rented-out to other industrial type uses .
Mr. Schaitberger stated he had not seen the building plans initil today and aaid
if the item could be continued perhaps he and other persons involved could work
something out.
Acting-Chairman Fosnocht directed the staff to place the item on the following
agenda to allow the property owners further time to discuss the play. and asked
the council to set a public hearing for the request at their convenience .
V. OLD BUSINESS
VI . NEW BUSINESS
VII. PLANNER'S REPORT
VIII . ADJOURNMENT
Schee moved, Bearmsn seconded, to adjourn the meeting at 11 :50 PM. Motion
carried. "
Respectfully submitted,
Jean Johnson