Planning Commission - 02/28/1977 A G E N D A
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, February 28, 1977
7:30 PM City Hall
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COMMISSION MEMBERS : Chairman Don Sorensen, Schee, Surdstrom, Bearman, Lynch
Fosnocht, Pauly
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam, .lean Johnson
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II . MINUTES_
A. Minutes of the Planning Commission Meeting Feb. 14, 1977
B. Joint Meeting of the Planning Commission and Parks, Recreatlon and
Natural Resources Commission, Feb. 7, 1977
III . MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairman Sorensen
B. Council Representative Pauly
C. others
IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Walnut Addition, by Dirlam PronArties, ree,: 3st to preliminary plat and rezone
7. 7 acres from R1-22 to R1-13 . S and RM 6. 5 for double bungalows and single
family. The site is located in the northeast corner of `!alley View Road and
Co. Rd. 4 . A continued public hearing.
B. Golf Vista, by Edenvale, request to preliminary plat and rezone from Rural
to RM 2.5 approximately 14 acres for apartments and double bungalows. The
site is located in the northeast corner of Valley View Road and Golf View
Drive. A continued public hearing.
C. Edenvale Industrial Park, Outlot F, by Edenvale, request to preliminary plat
and rezone 1 of the 3 lots from I-General to I-2 Park . The site is 7 acres
located north of Martin Drive, east of Corporate Way and west of Commerce
Way. A continued public hearing.
D. Woodland Addition, by Edenvale, request to preliminary plat and rezone 31 .5
acres from Rural to RM 6.5 for 77 single family lots. The site is located in
Edenvale' s Northwest Area. A, continued public hearing.
E. Tudor Oaks, by Covenant Living Centers-Mn. Inc. , request to rezone from ;Rural
to RM 2.5, RM 6. 5 and Service Commercial Area H of The Preserve Commercial
Plan for an elderly health care retirement development . The site is located
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n the southwest quadrant of US 169 and Schooner Boulevard.
F. Norseman Industrials Park 2nd Addi *ion,by Mr. Helle, request to preliminary
plat and rezone 16 acres from Rural to Industrial ( I-2) . The site is located
south of Co. aid. 39 approximately 430 feet east of Washington Avenue. A
continued public haring.
G. Prairie East Third, by Hustads, request to preliminary plat and rezone 50 acres
from Rural to RM 6.5 for 85 single family lots. The site is located west of.
Co. Rd. 18 , south of Prairie East Ist and 2nd additions.A continued public
hearing.
H. UlYmpic Hills 2nd Addition, revision to final plat.
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3 V. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS
A. Hipps Mitchell Heights, Outlot B, request to preliminary plat Outlot B
of Hipps Mitchell Heights. Tae site is zoned RM 6. 5 and is located
in the southwest corner of Mitchell Road and Scenic Heights Road.
A public hearing.
B. Physical Electronics Incorporated, request for a grading permit .
V1 . OLD BUSINESS
VII . NEW BUSINESS
VIII . PLANNER'S REPORT
I X. ADJOURNMENT
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MINUTES `
EDFN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION -
approved
Monday, February 28, 1977 7:30 PM City Hall _
MEMBERS PRESENT : Chairman Sorensen, Rod Sundstrom, Richard Lynch, William Bearman
MEMBERS ABSENT: Norma Schee, Herb Fosnocht, Sidney Pauly s
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam, .lean Johnson
I . APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Lynch moved, Bearman seconded, to approve the agenda as submitted.
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Motion carried unanimously.
II . MINiTTES
A. Minutes of the Planning Commission Meeting of Feb. 14, 1977
P.3, Motion Amendment : sp of secured, and third line should read- adequate
and enforceable band, and
Motion:
Lynch moved, Sundstrom seconded, to approve the minutes as submitted and corrected.
The :notion carried 3 :0:1 with Bearmar. abstaining.
3. Joint Meeting of the Planning Commission and Parks , Recreation and Natural
Resources Commission, Feb . 7, 1977
Motion :
Lynch moved, Bearman seconded, to approve the minutes as submitted.
Motion carried unanimously.
III . MEMBERS REPORTS_
A. Chairman Sorensen, none
B. Council Representative Pauly, absent
C. Others
Motion
Lynch moved, Sundstrom seconded, to again adopt a time schedule for the
meeting of:5 minutes for staff presentation, 10 minutes for proponent
presentation and 15 minutes for comiission/audience discussion and questions,
(allowing flexibility when necessary)
Discussion:
Bearman inquired if the stafr desired having additional tine for presentation
of one or more items on the agenda. The rlanner replied negative.
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Sorensen inquired if the staff is investigating a procedure the corission
could review as to time allotments. The planner stated a procedure and time
schedule is contained in the draft land developm-Int procedures currently before
the council . 1
Vote: The notion failed 2:2 ( Boorman $ Sorensen voted nay )
Sorensen informed the audience as per the request of the proponent and city staff
item IV. B. Golf Vista Addition would be continued to the commission's Marc . 14th
meeting.
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approved
Planning Commission Minutes -2- Feb. 28, 1977
IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Walnut Addition. by Dirlam Properties, request to preliminary plat and rezone
7. 7 acres from RI-22 to RM 6.5 and R1-13.5 for double bungalows and single
family. The site is located in the northeast corner of Valley View Road
and Co. Rd, 4. A continued public hearing.
The planner reviewed the original plan and revised plan. He stated the city engineer
is suggesting 10' additional right-of-wiay along Valley View Road and Co. Rd. 4 for
possible future turn lanes.
Mr. Upton, 16163 Edenvood Drive, suggested lot 8 be zaried RI-13.S instead of RM 6.5
as it abuts single family.
Sorensen inquired if the property to the north of lots 8 and 9 is zoned single family.
The planner stated the property to the north is zoned single family and presently is
the site of an older home and barn.
Mr. Dirlam stated he believes the original plan and revised plan are both consistent
with the City's Comprehensive Guide Plan. He stated the revised lots are 100' wide
and Esterhill 's lots arc only 100' wide. He believed the 50' wide buffer of trees on
the north side of the property would sufficiently buffer the multiple from the single
family, but would not object to lot 8 being zoned R1-13.5. As to the additional right
of-May, Dirlam stated the lot lines could be redrawn to allow 10' additional right-of-
way and still meet lot sizes.
Nancy Autio, 7279 Augusta Lanes stated she would prefer having lot 8 as finale family
consistent with the properties to the north.
Mrs. Rose, 7336 Franklin Circle, inquired how such the lots would sell for and value of
homes to be built on the lots. Mr. Dirlam replied the lots would sell for approximately
$14,000-15,000 and the hooves may be around $60,000.
Mr. Conley, 730S Franklin Circle, asked the commission to recommend denial of the
request as nearl;, 100% 3f the neighbors are against the proposal . He felt the lot
costs, as estimated by Dirlan , were high as his 112 acre lot is valued at $10,000.
Mr. Upton inquired hoe the drainage would be handled. Mr. Dirlam replied the majority
of runoff would be directed to the street.
Nation 1
Dearman moved, Sundstrom seconded, to close the public hearing on the Walnut Addition
preliminary pl&t . Motion carried unanimously.
Notion2 :
earam moved, Sundstrom seconded, to recomrend Approval of the Walnut Addition rezoning
froo Rural to RM 6.S for lots 9-20 and RI-13.S for lots 1-0 as per 'the prelfwirary plat_
dated Feb. 1 , 1977.
Discussion :
&N-M can xpressed concern that the lots may not meet standard lot sizes if the 109
additional right- of-way is needed. He added that the city and county should investigate
sure type of controlled intersection for valley View and Co. Rd. 4 not just due to this
project , bw becaast there is a need for residents east of Co. Rd. 4 to safely cross #4 .
Vbte on Mbtion 2: Nation carried 3:1 with Sorersea voting nay_
spproved
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Walnut, continued
Motion 3:
Lynch moved, Sundstrom seconded, to recommend approval of the preliminary plat of Walnut
Addition dated Feb. 1, 1977 with lot sizes consistent with zoning Districts RM 6.5 and
R1-13.5, and sufficient rigl++ -of-way deemed necessary by the city and county along Valley
View Road and Co. Rd. 4 to be dedicated by the proponent. Motion carried 2 : 1 :1 with
Sorensen voting nay and Bearman abstaining.
B. Golf Vista, by Edenvale, request to preliminary plat and rezone from Rural to
RM 2.5 approximately 14 acres for apartments and double bungalows . The site
is located in the northeast corner of Valley View Road and Golf View Drive.
A continued public hearing.
Continued to March 14, 1977 Planning Commission Meeting ( See page 1 )
C. Edenvale Industrial Park 2nd Addition, Outlot F. by Edenvale, request to preliminary
plat and rezone 1 of the 3 lots from I-General to I-2 Park. The site is 7 acres
located north of Martin Drive, east of Corporate Way and west of Commerce Way.
A continued public hearing.
The planner outlined the site's location and the request to preliminary plat the 7 acres
into 3 lots leaving 1 lot in I-2 Park and rezoning 2 lots to I-General which would
require lot size variance from the I-General District . The planner then referred the
commission to the staff report and seated the staff is recommending approval of the
preliminary plat and rezoning of 2 lets to I-General with lot size variances.
Sorensen expressed his disapproval of varying the conditions of the I-General District.
The planner stated the drainage ditch, which intersects this site, creates a hardship
in development of the site as I-General and therefore the staff is recommending approval .
Don Peterson stated outlot F is in the middle of the 100 acre industrial area, will be
completely buffered by other industrial uses and will meet city screening conditions .
Bearman inquired if the ditch could be piped and covered Petersor replied piping
and covering the ditch would be very expensive.
Motion 1 :
Sundstrom moved , Lynch seconded, to close the public ?searing on Edenvale Industrial
Park, Outlot F. preliminary plat. Motion mrried unanimously
Motion 2 :
n strom moved, Boarman seconded, to recommend approval of preliminary platting Outlot F
into 3 lots, retain I-General zoning , vary lot size requirements frooa S acres to- 2
acres, and vary I-Gen setbacks to : SO' front yard, 20 :40 (both) side yard, and 25' rear,
with the expressed understanding t'iat very thorough screening of ou .5 de storage -will be
required as per Ordinance 135 and 178.
Discussion :
Lynch asced if ,.e city attorney was aware of the staff recommendation. Tho planner
replied affirmativa.
Sorensen questioned the Planning authority q n ng .,om:aissian s .uth rt y to grant t}_e variances requested.
The planner replied the commission can make recommendations on variances and the council
has the authority to Grant the variance.
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Sorensen then inquired if having 1-2 Park lots with outside storage would be a
better alternative. The planner replied, of the 2 alternatives, the staff is
recommending I-Gezieral with lot size variances. - -
Bearman expressed concern the rezoning as requested appears to be spot zoning.
Peterson stated he desires the I-2 Park coring for the eastern lot for an interested
buyer and believes a need exists for smaller T-General lots with outside storage.
Vote on Motion 2 :
The motion failed 2 :2 with Sorensen and Bearman voting nay.
Motion 3 :
Bearman moved, Sorensen seconded, -to recommend rezoning from I-General to I- 2 Park
and preliminary plat approval of the 7 acres into 3 lots as per the staff report
dated Feb. 25, 1977.
Discussion :
Sundstrom feet the lots near the railroad would be -ppropriate for outside storage.
Bearman did not approve of varying I-General lot size from S acre to 2 acres and
allowing outside storage.
Vote on Motion 3 :
Motion carried unanirously.
Sorensen stated the commission is recommending consideration of the possibility
of granting the variances with adequate screening and outside storage because :
1 . The topography caused by the drainage ditch.
2. The existing railroad service on the rear of the property.
3. Th:; area is totally surrounded by industrial uses including , -General
to the north and west .
D. Woodland Addition, by Edenvale, request to preliminary plat and rezone 31 .5 acres
from Rural to RM 6.5 for 77 single family lots. The site is located In Edenvale' s
Northwest Area. A continued public hearing.
The planner referred the commission to the staff report which covers traffic, trails,
driveways and future adjacent uses. He stated the staff As recommending approval of
_ the requests contingent upon the conditions outlined in the staff report .
Don Peterson stated the original request was for 77 lots but after discussion with the
staff the plan is being proposed as 38 hits for the, first phase.
SoM 66 :t AnquA%A if additional runoff would be realized if 'T' drives are used.
Petersor- believed 'T' drives would create additional runoff but was unsure of what type
of drives would be bast as eyebrowing would dictate additional tree cutting.
Sorensen then felt problems may arise - easements ) when two families have to share 1 drive.,
Mr. Peterson agreed .
Sorensen asked if Mr. Peterson was willing to construct the asphalt trail . as depicted in
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the staff report. Peterson replied affirmative.
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Not i on I •
Bearman moved, Lynch seconded, to close the public hearing considering the Moodland
Addition preliminary plat. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion 2:
Bearman moved, Sundstrom seconded, to recommend approval of the preliminary plat for
53 single family lots and rezoning to RI-13.5 for Phase I of goodland Addition as per
the revised plan dated 2-28-77. With approval contingent upon engineering staff repor• ,
proper design of pathways and special conditions of item a of this staff report dated
Feb. 2S, 1977 and based upon the recommendations contained in the staff reports dated
Feb. 25 and Feb 10, 1977. Motion carried 3:0:1 with Sorensen abstaining due to the
setback recommendations contained in the staff report .
E. Tudor Oaks, by Covenant Living Centers-Mn. Inc. , request to rezone from RursI to
RM 2.5, RN 6.S and Service Commercial Area H of The Preserve Commercial Plan for
an elderly health care retirement development. The site is located in the southwest
;uadrant of US 169 and Schooner Boulevard.
The planner referred the commission to the staff report which recommends ammroval a"A
the information supplied tonight by Mr. George regarding the projects financing.
Sorensen inquired why the rezonin^ request to Service Commercial if the proponent did
not own it. Mr. George stated Covenant. Living Centers does now own it and desire
having the Service Commercial zoning with development subject to city review and approval .
The planner suggested, with the information that the small lot is nc� owned by Covenant
Living Centers, that it not be rezoned until a use is proposed and therefore rscomaends
tion #4 in the staff report should be deleted.
Bearman inquired which financing or the project would be the most benefit to the city.
The planner stated the staff is presently unsure because the proponents have not decided
on which financing they will have. Mr. George stated they would soon decide and inform
the city,
Tom Bartel, EP News , asked if the Metropolitan Council has control over the approval
of the project . The planner stated the Metro Council with its Health Board makes a
recommendation on the "Certificate of Need" to the State ano the State.considering their
recommendation , has final approval.
Notion:
Lynch moved,, Sundstrasm seconded, to recomend approval of the rezoning request for
Tudor Oaks from Rural to RN 23 and RM 6.5 based upon the Covenant Living Centers-Nn.
In , dz:ct mcn stags agpl:c«tios� dated I-Si-;i, including:
A: Phase I 240 apartment units
- service and canon facilities
60 bed skilled care health center
Phase 2 - 96 apartment units
Phase 3 - 60= thaplex/gaadraplex units _
Phase 4 - 60 nursing cam beds and support services
8. Reserving the remain01.ng 22t acres of Purgatory Floodplain for open spare
uses consistent with the standards of the Purgatory Creek Study.
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C. Refine the Jan. 7, 1977 sits plan to reflect the US 169/212
access requirements illustrated schematically by figure 1 in the
Feb. 25, 1977 staff report .
D. Urge support of the Covenant Living Center-Mn. Inc . , Tudor Oaks
Caen Prairie deveiopment before the Health Planning Agencies and
Metropolitan Council .
E. Recommend the 2± acre site requested to be zoned Service Commercial
remain Rural .
The notion carried 3 : 1 with Bearman voting nay because no clarification was given
on the taxes and effect involved.
F. Norseman. Industrial Park 2nd Addition, by Helle, request to preliminary plat
and rezone 16 acres from Rural to Industrial I-2 Park. The site is located
south of Co. Rd. 39 approximately 400 feet west of Washington Avenue. A continued
public hearing.
The planner referred the commission to the staff report recommending denial of the
project and the BRW letter addressing the traffic concerns . He stated the city staff
believes a north/south route is needed and the property owners should work in conjunc-
tion with the staff in order to allow reasonable industrial development in this area
of the city. He further stated the staff is suggesting Mr. Helle resubmit his plat
and show a north/south road.
Mr. Helle did not believe a north/south road is needed to serve the property and did
not desire dedicating any right-of-way as the right-of-way should be purchased. He
added that the Valley View Road relocation is a county matter and the city need not
become involved and deny his project on that basis . He believed the city is not giving
him equal treatment
Tom Bartel asked if the property to the east of this pro-_3osal is zoned. The planner
replied the property is zoned and built upon.
Notion 1 :
Lynch moved, Sundstroo seconded, to close the public hearing considering the preliminary
plat of Norseman Industrial Park 2nd Addition. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion 2 :
Lynch moved, Sundstrom secordad,to recomend the rezoning and preliminary plat request
by Mr. Helle , dated Jan. 7, 1977 be denied based upon its inconsistencies with the
transportation needs of the Lake Smetana Plan and the Feb. 23, 1977 BRW letter report .
Notion carried 3:0: 1 with Bearman abstaining.
G. Prairie East Third Addition, by Hustads, request to preliminary plat and rezone
SO acres from Rural to RN 6.S for 85 single family lots. The site is located
west of Co. Rd. 18, south of Prairie East 1st and 2nd additions. A continued
public hearing.
The planner reported the staff report will be completed by the following meeting.
Notion
• Bearman moved, Sundstre°m seconded, to continue the public hearing to the commission's
March 14th meeting and recommend the council set a public hearing at their convenience
as the commission believes they will have a recommsendation from the March 14th meeting.
Notion carried unanimously.
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U. 01 is Hills 2nd Addition, revision to final plat .
The planner referred the commission to the engineer report dated Feb. 17, 1977 and
the letter of request with attached plan submitted by Olynipic mild. He ai.aLcu Um
staff is recommending approval of the plat change as their is a problem with sight
distance with the previous plat .
Sorensen asked if the revisions changed the number of lots previously approved.
The planner replied negative.
Notion:
Bearman moved, Lynch seconded, to recommend approval of the revised plat of Olympic
Hills 2nd Addition as per the engineer's report dated Feb. 17, 1977. Motion carried
unanimously.
V. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS
A. Hipps Mitchell Heights, Outlot B. request to preliminary plat Outlet B of
Hipps Mitchell Heights . The site is zoned RM 6.5 and located in the south-
east corner of Mitchell Road and Scenic Heights Road. A public hearing.
Mr. Doug Goriesky, engineer for project, outlined the site 's location and offered
to answer any questions relative to the letter of request or project.
Mr. Dominic Londino,8238 Tamarack Trail , stated the notices mailed out and the plan
shover by the proponent differ.
llw planner, in checking the legal on the application, believed an improper legal had
been submitted, and suggested the hearing be continued so that the legal could be
checked and proper notices mailed.
Motion :
Bearman moved, Lynch seconded, to continue the public hearing and have the proponent
and staff investigate the correct legal. and republish the notice. Motion carried
unanimously.
B. Physical Electronics Incorporated, request for a grading permit.
The planner referred the co®ission to the grading application for 6509 Flying
Cloud Drive. He informed the commission the removed material is to be used at an
interchange construction at 70th Street and Highway 100.
The commission discussed the grading proposed, future additions and purpose for
commission reviewal .
Theplanner stated the grading request is consistent with city ordinances and the staff
is recomvmending approval.
Motion:
Lynch moved, Sundstrom seconded, to recommend approval of the grading permit application
by Physical Electronics, Industries, Incorporated. Motion carried 2 :10. with Sorensen
abstaining and Bearman voting nay. Bearman's negative vote was because he was "not sure
of what the city is buy.09".
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approved
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VI . OLD BUSINESS
1 . Purgatory Creek
The planner reviewed a revised development plan for the Purgatory Creek area and
the lotting for single family The plan included private lots , an easement area,
and public arcas to be purchased.
Sorensen inquired if the streets in the single family development would be private.
Mr. Husta_d replied affirmative.
Sorensen then asked if Hustad's would be fencing the public areas . Mr. Hustad
replied negative.
Mr. Hustad stated that this revised plan is approximately 250 lots on 200 acres and
they believe the easement areas and public areas can be worked out .
VII . NEW BUSINESS
VIII . PLANNER'S REPORT
IX. ADJOURNMENT
B arman ;roved Sundstrom nr-o d to adjourn a S P Motion carried.e s. � nde � t 11 .3 M Mo �o carr e
Respectfully Submitted
Jean Johnson