Planning Commission - 11/22/1976 - Joint Meeting AGENDA
JOINT PLANNINC COMMISSION PARKS RECREATION AND N-Nj p_kL RESSOUItCES CjDM SSIG1
FETING
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7:00 Plkl
Monday, November 22, 1976
City Hall
Planning Commi ssion Members: Chairman Don Sorensen, Schee, Sundssrom, sear.
Lynch , i osnoctit, Pauly,
Park, Recreation and
Natural_Rv_s0UrfesMembers: Chairman Erickson, Pierce, AnJerson, Choin.rne,
Fifield,Garens, Helmer, *:ingrey, Middleton,Lvpton
Staff %k-MLers: Catnam, Director of r'lann:ng
Jessen, Corxm:nity Services Director
Johnson, Recording Secretary
Invocation Pledge of Allegiance Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGELYDA
II. [DISCI►SSION OF PURGATORY CREcK
III. OLD BUSINESS
IV. NEW BUSINESS
V. AD30URy%TEN'T
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PRELIMINARY AGE'tiDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, Nover•).t er 22, 1976
8:30PM
Invocatiotf ?ledge of Al:egian.-e Rr+:l Ca11
I. AM OVAL Cl: ACIAr.%
11. MI\UTT:S Or TEiF \OAT".TF n 8. 1 Q-o !►:i �.T t'i;.
111. NTMBF:RS fii"POR Cs
A. Chairman Pon Sorensen
B. Coonci l Repre sent.+: ive Pauly
C. Others
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JOINT PLANNING CO►VISSION f, i'ARKS, RECREATION N"D NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MEET NG
7:00 PM
Monday. November 22, 1976
City Nal ;
Planning Commission !embers : Chairman Dori Sorensen, Norma Schee, Rod Sundstrem,
William Bearman, Richard Lynch , Herb Fosnocht , Sici,:ey
Pau 1 y
Parks , Recreation ,:rid
Narura S Rescsurccs Cnrnii
lion b e m. r)e.rs : i Chairman Marvin 'Erickson , Tim Pierce, Richard Anderson ,
Paul Cho_:nicrc,Ste:•c Fifio;d , William Garens , ,=rarci.s
}Ielmer,Jerr;- 1%ingr,ey; Gcncva lliddleton . Vary Upton.,
Randy Razterath
Staff i4arty .ie_yen, Director of Cu--%nunity 0'ervices
Dick ri:tT am, Plann n-* ni rcctor
.lean Johnson , Planning Secretary
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M I N U T E S
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECRE-A ION AND NATURAL RESOURCES CU1 MISSION
and PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Monday, November 22, 1976 7:00 PM City Hall
Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources Com;nission Members
Present : _ Man in Erickson, Steve Fifield, Dick Anderson, Tim
Pierce, Randy ' P.etterath , Fr;anci.s Helmer, Paul Clioiniere
Plai)r.in4 Commi ss on
A; rr s l'i_Cscnt : Don Sorensen, Dick Lynch , Sidney Pauly, hnrma Sc?►ee,
Rod Sundstrom, William Rearman
Stat r_ P:esent _ Marty Jessen, Dick, Putnam, .Jean Johnson
Jc.-sen bacl,grounded the Purgatory Creek Study and the Council ' s approval of the
Study as a guide for use and protection of the creek corridor. He added the city
pr",sently c::^s approximately SOO acres along the creek . He informed the commissions
Hustads are interested in neveloping single family along the southern portion of the
creek and desire to knot., the city' s stand on implementing the Study.
Wall- Hustad , Hustad Development Cc pora; io,. , stated the main concern of the Study
and themselves , is preservation of the creek valley. He stated they and other
residents would like to see the creek valley preserved as is with limited use .
They prefer no public access as it would destroy the wildlife habitat . He added
that they desire to develop single family lots next year in time ror the Parade
of Homes. The development would be called Mill Crcek Estates and would contain
approximately 350 lots ranging in size from approximately 6,SdO square feet to
2 acres .
Jessen felt Hustads are presenting an extreme option of creel; corridor develop-
ment as lots are platted down to the creek . he estimated approximately SO-300
lots would he located in the transition and conservancy zones of the creek and if
the land would be nurcliased by the city it would require a significant amount of
funds . lie asked for the commissions ' feelings relative to how the area should
be developed and what implementation guidelines should be followed .
Pauly belici,ed the area along the creek znd south of Co. Rd . I is the most unique
area of the creek valley bnd the highest and best use may be private ownership with
covenants and/or restric_ti-r±s fcr use and protection.
Wa l lv ilustad agreed , and believed covenants can be placed on the deeds or a
As the propr�sccd development was shown containing multiple sized lots , Sorensen
inquired what t)l;e of zoning or pud request Hustads would be submitting. Hustad
replied that .since some lots are as small as 6,000 :square feet , that V G. S zoning
would probably the requested.
n, tr:-ru At+cic•rson heiieved the creek valley should be enjoyc.J by more than the
and the lotting plain proposed even restricts visual enjoyment
Of 1 #;c• crc-(. ti valley.
Joint narks, Rec- eatinn and Nntural Resources approved
and Planning Commission Meeting Nov. 22, 1976
page 2
Rod Sundstrom questioned if the future 1,000 residents ( approx. 3/household) , might
themselves create alot of pressure on the creek valley.
Sorensen asked if Hustads had alternate .lotting plans. Hustad replied alternate
' plans are available but have not been entertained.
Pauly questioned if this segment of the valley has Priority over the remainder of
the creek. Jessen believed this segment of the creek is very unique for
passive recreation
Schee believed the creek valley can be enjoyed by many without cxcessive dw-iage
as nreas like the Arboretum . and Carver Park.
Anderson believed this segment of the creek is one of the most unique areas in
• the city, perhaps in Hennepin County, and should be enjoyed by all
Jessen informed the commissions the Metro Council staff does feel chances are good fcr
funding if the city desires to pursue the purchase of the Purgatory Creek corridor.
He added the cost of creek implementation, as estimated in the Study, is about
1 . 7 million.
Schee beliex ed public management would be the best way to handle the creek am,:�nity.
Pierce suggested the city control a portion of the creek valley and allow the remainder
to develop privately.
Lynch asked the timetable involved in acquisition Jessen zeplied the
city could expect an answer relative to funding within one year.
Sally Brown, 10080 Bennett Place, asked if it is t'he city ' s thinking that every a,..enity
is too aesthetic to be privately owned .
Planning Commission members Lynch , Schee and Be3r:nan replied negative, but believed
the only way for the public to enjoy certair amenities is for the amenity to be public.
Sundstrom felt it may be easier to keep trespassers out of the area if it is publicly
managed. •
Sorensen believed some amenities should be acquired and some should be privately ou-ned.
He urged G—e staff to investigate other means of acquisition than density tradeoffs .
Dick Anderson suggested perhaps. one side of the- creek could be public and one side
private.
lfclmer inquired if f-ase ,.ants on both skies of the creek
would be possible.
Air. Nust,ad stated the., desire no Public use of this unique area of the creek .
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Joint Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources approved
and Planning Commission Meeting Nov. 22, 1976
page 3
Motion :
Pierce moved, Pauly seconded, to direct the ctaff to gather inform-at ion for t':;
commissions' review relative to funding, areas of priority, private ownership, creek
use, etc . , and schedule another joint meeting in mid-January , 1977. The motion
carried with Bearman voting nay. -
Pierce suggested that the public be notified two weeks prior to the upcoming
joint meeting as directed in the ccuncil 's approval of the Purgatory Creek Study
as a guide.
II . OTHER BUSINESS None
III. ADJOURNMENT
Schee moved, Bearman seconded, to adjourn at 8: 25 PM, the motion carried.
e u R spectf lly Submitted , .
Jean Johnson
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JJIA'T PI_ANNI;tiG c'E'•MISS110!e t; PARKS RECRTF:M # Aril ti 'it,R.'II. RE.St 1RI'I`S C0.%NlSST1rj4kZ
7:00 P:•i
Monday, November 22, :976
Ciry Hall
Planning�Conrlission M,we_rs: Chairman Don Sorensen. Schee, Sundstrom. Bear =.
Park,_ Rrxre°ar on and
h'aturaI [tZ ;eurc�:s `lechers, Chair-mar, Erick::un, Pierce, AnJer!zon, Choinie*�e,
Fifield,Gzrens, Iielmer, "ingrey, ;►!id'.I:t �:l.irpion
Staff ::em110k7s: Putnan, Director of I7-4aaining
Jrssen, Coe+lmunit}' Services Director
Jolw._son, Re•.ording Secretary
X In:•oc:ttioil Pledge of Alle&iance Roll .:ail
1. AP ROVAL OF AGENDA
11 . DISCUSyION OF PURGATORY CREED
111 . GL0 BUSINESS
ICI. NEW BUSINESS
V. ARJ0l2PN,%IE NT
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PRFLTMINNARY AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Cor;+r..ission
1iondny, November 22, 1976
8:SOP M
Invocation Pledge of Allegiance Poll Call
I. APPRQ1'AL CP 1GUN 1
11. MINUTES OF TTI \Ok-TM F h'. 8. 19 7 o k3TT 1 NG
111. ME\t3FRS RII-PORTS
A.Chairman ()on Sorc-n scn
B. Coilrc i x Representative Pauly
C. Others
Tyr. Rt;F;1RTS .%ND RFi O\TMFN'11AT1O\S
approximately 5 aces rrt..7n ttti �%ffice. Tot- site lvcarr:i in
the sotit wc-st quadrant of CSX1 6" I� Co. fiil. ;R.
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A. I'tic- i'ale I'la-,l •`� r` InL` C� '�T ? tilir�t �i`:` 3't1tit!C.hi :(C�el:�l`r.^Ai
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- 'JOINT P-l;V%NTNG CMM.'!ISSION �, PARKS , RECRI-.A"'IQ'� AND .:'.Tli�ckl. RESOURCES COI.-V,6 SION
-IEET I.N C
Y
7 :00 M%l
Monday , tiovemrcr 22, 1976
City 11:11 l
PIanning Comm i ssl o sn Mcr.-her : Cl�<� * r��an Don Sorensen , Norma Schee , Rod Sundsti-cm,
�. r_ _ Wi.i l l a � Bearman , Richard Lynch , Bert, I-osnocht , Sidney
Pau I
Pains , _Recrca ion _and
Kul ar4i Resources C�?m^i -
5�on �•icTi�ers �� Chnirm.an Mar,.,-An Fri crsor. Tim Pierce , !ti :harc° Ander."on ,
-- � Pail C�:-�: nicre,Steve rifield , ivilliam Carens , Francis
liclner,.It-rT)• Kingrey, Geneva Middleton , Nlai,)- Upton,
Randy R :Z wrath
St;:`'I irar;y ,le=sen , Director of Cc,aauaity Scrvtces
Dicl: rutnar;, hector
r� Jean Johiisoii, Secretary
I. �ISCttSSIt;\ ;`�F PtIRr1;TG,:� ti�{L•±:�
Fl . ClMER Billsj%-I:"S
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ED;N PRAIRIE PARKS , RECRrATIO'N tMUND NATURAL RESOURCES COl M"rLSSION,
and PLANNING COMISS1ON MEETING
Monday, November 22 , I976 7 :00 Phi City hall
Parks , Recreation ,ndNaturai J.
Resources Commission Vomhers
I' s�L�V111L _. Marvin Ericl.son, gteve Fificld , Dick Anderso,1 . Tim
Pierce , Randy ' Rotterath , Francis Helmer , Paul Cl,cinicre
P1ann,in ; Commission t,
M1-.,i,br-,_s P i-went : Pon Sorensen , nick Lyt .a , Sidney Pauly , i;orma SeLce ,
Rod Sundstrom, P�i l l i am 111carmian
S-af "resent : Mart.; Jesser , Dick. Putnam, Jean Ju'Dnson
.1cssen hacl.grounded the Purgatory Creek Study and the Council 's approval of the
Stu1� .as a guide for use and protection of the creek corridor. ;le added the city
pro?seritly o,.,.ns ;:Pnroyim-ately 500 acres along the creek . He i;iformed the commissions
'lustads are i.nterc-sted in develnning sin-,le family along the southern portion of the
creel; and desire 4o know the c.;.t;• s stanJ on implementing the Stud)•.
WaIIy Hust :d , Hustad Development Corporation , stated the train cojice.:: 41F :hc Study
and themselves , ;s preservation of the creel: valley. He stated the), and other
residents would like to see the creek valley preserved as is with limited use .
They Pref.r no public eccess as it would destroy the wildlife habitat . He added
that they desire to develop single family lots next year in time for the Parade
of Homes. The development would be called dill Creek Estates and would contain
approximately 550 lots ranging in size from approximately 6,500 square feat to
2 acres .
Jensen felt Hust.ads are presenting ar. Extreme option of creel: corridor develop-
ment as lots are platted down to the creek . He estimated approximately 50--100
lots would he located it, the transition and conservancy zones of the creek and if
the land would be purcliased by the city it would require a significart amount o �
funds . Nt- csb%tat I`ur the c;uiam.i ,slons ' feelings relative to how the area should
be developed and what 2.mplementation guidelines should be .followed .
I-lazily bclicued the area along the creek and south of Co. Rd . 1. is the most unique
area of the creek valley and the hijzhest anal hPss use may be Private ownership with
covenants and/or restrictions for use and protection .
Wally liust.ad agreed , ard believed covenants can be placed on the deeds or a
horneownr-r' c dnru mer+ s cc%uld be us4 i,
As 0e proposed development was shown containing multiple sized lots , Sorensen
inquii-od what t)jic of zoning or pud request Hustads would by submitting. Haas+.ad
rapliccl that since sorzc lots arc as small as 6, 000 square feet , that RUN] 6. 5 zoning
would probably hr., ,'agar sted.
A ,I:.•�r:l "nr;r,.;:an l-,el xz-ved tho cr•cet: va l 1 c>-- sbou l d be enjoyed by more than the
ir,:rccaintr I .-indowners and the lotting p1nn proposed even restricts visual enjoyment
�,f the Creek t'a l l cy.
Joint Parks , Recreation, and Natural Re-�o1irCe[..:. approvc!J
an(? Planning Commission Alccting Nov. 22, 1976
page 2
Rod Sundstron, questioned if the future 1 ,000 residents ( approx. 3Jhouschold) , might
themselves create slot o pressure on the creek valley.
Sorensen asked if. Hustads had alternate lotting plans . Hustad replied alternate
plans are available but have not been entertained .
Pauly questioned if this segment of the valley has priority over the remainder of
the creek. Jessen believed this of the: creek is very unique foi
passive recreation .
Schee believed the creek valley can be enjoyed by lean,' Withntlt excessive dW7,age
as arcc.s like the Arboretun . and Carve_ Park.
Anderson believed this segment of the creek is one of the riost unique areas in
• the city, perhaps in flennupin County, and should be enjoyed by all
Jessen informed the commissions the Metro Coijncil staff does feel, chances are good for
furrling if the cite dte ,ires to pursue the purchase of the Purgatury Creek corridor.
He added the cost of creek impl :Ji;ientati on, as esf im,atcd in the Study, is about
1. . 97 million.
Schcc bel ie,,-od public nianagement would be the best way to handle the creek amenity.
Pierce suggested the city control a portion of the creek valley and allow the remainder
to develop privately.
Lynch asked the timatabie involved in acquisition Jessen replied the
city could expect an answer relative to funding within one year.
Sally Brown: 10080 Bennett Place, asked if it is the city ' s thinking that ever), wr.eni.ty
is too aesthetic to be privately oimed .
P13.znirp ranMission members Lynch , Schee and Bearman replied negative, but believed
the only for the Public to enjoy certain amenities is for the amenity to be public.
Sundstrom felt it ma; be easier tc keep trespassers out of the area if it is publicly
managed . •
-Sorensen 7elieved solr.e amenities should be acquired and some should be privately Oulled .
tie urged th-e staff to investigate other means of acquisition than density tradeoffs .
Dick Anderson suggested perhaps one side of the creek Could be public ar•d one side
private.
Helmer inquired if casements on both sides of the creek
would tic possible .
Mr. Hustad state they desire no public use of this unique area of the creek .
Joint Parks , Recreation and Natural Pesources approved
and Planning Commission Meeting Nov . 22 , 1976
pave 3
Motion :
Pierce moved , Pauly seconded , to direct the staff to aatber informnrinn f.�r t►,W
CO�It-nissi ons ' review relative to funding , areas of priority, private ownership, creek
use, etc. , and schedule another Joint meeting in mini-January The motion
carried with Bearman ',noting nay.
Pierce suggested that the public be notified two weeks prior to tht, upcnmiag
joint meeting as directed in the council ' s approval of the Purgatory Creek Study
as a guide .
II . OTHER BUSINESS None
III . AUJOURNINTNT
SYhee moved, Bearman seconded , to adjourn at S: ZS PM, the motion carried.
Respectfully Submitted ,
Jean Johnson