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Planning Commission - 11/22/1976 - Joint Meeting AGENDA JOINT PLANNINC COMMISSION PARKS RECREATION AND N-Nj p_kL RESSOUItCES CjDM SSIG1 FETING F. 7:00 Plkl Monday, November 22, 1976 City Hall Planning Commi ssion Members: Chairman Don Sorensen, Schee, Sundssrom, sear. Lynch , i osnoctit, Pauly, Park, Recreation and Natural_Rv_s0UrfesMembers: Chairman Erickson, Pierce, AnJerson, Choin.rne, Fifield,Garens, Helmer, *:ingrey, Middleton,Lvpton Staff %k-MLers: Catnam, Director of r'lann:ng Jessen, Corxm:nity Services Director Johnson, Recording Secretary Invocation Pledge of Allegiance Roll Call I. APPROVAL OF AGELYDA II. [DISCI►SSION OF PURGATORY CREcK III. OLD BUSINESS IV. NEW BUSINESS V. AD30URy%TEN'T ----------- ---------------------------------- ---- -------- PRELIMINARY AGE'tiDA Eden Prairie Planning Commission Monday, Nover•).t er 22, 1976 8:30PM Invocatiotf ?ledge of Al:egian.-e Rr+:l Ca11 I. AM OVAL Cl: ACIAr.% 11. MI\UTT:S Or TEiF \OAT".TF n 8. 1 Q-o !►:i �.T t'i;. 111. NTMBF:RS fii"POR Cs A. Chairman Pon Sorensen B. Coonci l Repre sent.+: ive Pauly C. Others TV. REPORT` XNT) RF('M"-TN0ATl0'1S A. Opits Z R` ten!iorsz, CorrCr;'. .i•1: -rgiiv!:T for -,t .'lpproXinateiv 5 acres fro:- :ail^11 to Office. he site i:. j(K3tCd to the ::ot hwt.st qua3:•an: of CSri1T t._ anti Co. Rd. IF.- V. PFT1Ttn\:c A.V) l:TY'T'NCTC -A. Etk-m .lc• [`T�-:i .� ,� rink t'r.!rT rf-gur-.T for -:�� fr+� i�csrT.•T•r •T�. `t:+,?c putt 3h !" rn ti+r prrl ~.i;!3r•: `.it will '-r hviJ lalh. ViT. `:L:ti yI i 1 . 1%NNi:p117. tif_1•+r'?'s '. IX. ►1Rt011Ft`'11 \•t ..... 4`MW�r•...•\..•r' _ .M. ' - '..:.k^' !\ A4' ^iC�.r •v fi?F 1\!.[ 'Y !.V1 Y' - IYi'. -.l .i►N f '.K .1•..v�s�'t?'_.. r.. F `' A . JOINT PLANNING CO►VISSION f, i'ARKS, RECREATION N"D NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MEET NG 7:00 PM Monday. November 22, 1976 City Nal ; Planning Commission !embers : Chairman Dori Sorensen, Norma Schee, Rod Sundstrem, William Bearman, Richard Lynch , Herb Fosnocht , Sici,:ey Pau 1 y Parks , Recreation ,:rid Narura S Rescsurccs Cnrnii lion b e m. r)e.rs : i Chairman Marvin 'Erickson , Tim Pierce, Richard Anderson , Paul Cho_:nicrc,Ste:•c Fifio;d , William Garens , ,=rarci.s }Ielmer,Jerr;- 1%ingr,ey; Gcncva lliddleton . Vary Upton., Randy Razterath Staff i4arty .ie_yen, Director of Cu--%nunity 0'ervices Dick ri:tT am, Plann n-* ni rcctor .lean Johnson , Planning Secretary I. D1 SC?T5S I r\ IF PVR(-;:1z 0RY CRT.T k 1 M I N U T E S EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECRE-A ION AND NATURAL RESOURCES CU1 MISSION and PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Monday, November 22, 1976 7:00 PM City Hall Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Com;nission Members Present : _ Man in Erickson, Steve Fifield, Dick Anderson, Tim Pierce, Randy ' P.etterath , Fr;anci.s Helmer, Paul Clioiniere Plai)r.in4 Commi ss on A; rr s l'i_Cscnt : Don Sorensen, Dick Lynch , Sidney Pauly, hnrma Sc?►ee, Rod Sundstrom, William Rearman Stat r_ P:esent _ Marty Jessen, Dick, Putnam, .Jean Johnson Jc.-sen bacl,grounded the Purgatory Creek Study and the Council ' s approval of the Study as a guide for use and protection of the creek corridor. He added the city pr",sently c::^s approximately SOO acres along the creek . He informed the commissions Hustads are interested in neveloping single family along the southern portion of the creek and desire to knot., the city' s stand on implementing the Study. Wall- Hustad , Hustad Development Cc pora; io,. , stated the main concern of the Study and themselves , is preservation of the creek valley. He stated they and other residents would like to see the creek valley preserved as is with limited use . They prefer no public access as it would destroy the wildlife habitat . He added that they desire to develop single family lots next year in time ror the Parade of Homes. The development would be called Mill Crcek Estates and would contain approximately 350 lots ranging in size from approximately 6,SdO square feet to 2 acres . Jessen felt Hustads are presenting an extreme option of creel; corridor develop- ment as lots are platted down to the creek . he estimated approximately SO-300 lots would he located in the transition and conservancy zones of the creek and if the land would be nurcliased by the city it would require a significant amount of funds . lie asked for the commissions ' feelings relative to how the area should be developed and what implementation guidelines should be followed . Pauly belici,ed the area along the creek znd south of Co. Rd . I is the most unique area of the creek valley bnd the highest and best use may be private ownership with covenants and/or restric_ti-r±s fcr use and protection. Wa l lv ilustad agreed , and believed covenants can be placed on the deeds or a As the propr�sccd development was shown containing multiple sized lots , Sorensen inquired what t)l;e of zoning or pud request Hustads would be submitting. Hustad replied that .since some lots are as small as 6,000 :square feet , that V G. S zoning would probably the requested. n, tr:-ru At+cic•rson heiieved the creek valley should be enjoyc.J by more than the and the lotting plain proposed even restricts visual enjoyment Of 1 #;c• crc-(. ti valley. Joint narks, Rec- eatinn and Nntural Resources approved and Planning Commission Meeting Nov. 22, 1976 page 2 Rod Sundstrom questioned if the future 1,000 residents ( approx. 3/household) , might themselves create alot of pressure on the creek valley. Sorensen asked if Hustads had alternate .lotting plans. Hustad replied alternate ' plans are available but have not been entertained. Pauly questioned if this segment of the valley has Priority over the remainder of the creek. Jessen believed this segment of the creek is very unique for passive recreation Schee believed the creek valley can be enjoyed by many without cxcessive dw-iage as nreas like the Arboretum . and Carver Park. Anderson believed this segment of the creek is one of the most unique areas in • the city, perhaps in Hennepin County, and should be enjoyed by all Jessen informed the commissions the Metro Council staff does feel chances are good fcr funding if the city desires to pursue the purchase of the Purgatory Creek corridor. He added the cost of creek implementation, as estimated in the Study, is about 1 . 7 million. Schee beliex ed public management would be the best way to handle the creek am,:�nity. Pierce suggested the city control a portion of the creek valley and allow the remainder to develop privately. Lynch asked the timetable involved in acquisition Jessen zeplied the city could expect an answer relative to funding within one year. Sally Brown, 10080 Bennett Place, asked if it is t'he city ' s thinking that every a,..enity is too aesthetic to be privately owned . Planning Commission members Lynch , Schee and Be3r:nan replied negative, but believed the only way for the public to enjoy certair amenities is for the amenity to be public. Sundstrom felt it may be easier to keep trespassers out of the area if it is publicly managed. • Sorensen believed some amenities should be acquired and some should be privately ou-ned. He urged G—e staff to investigate other means of acquisition than density tradeoffs . Dick Anderson suggested perhaps. one side of the- creek could be public and one side private. lfclmer inquired if f-ase ,.ants on both skies of the creek would be possible. Air. Nust,ad stated the., desire no Public use of this unique area of the creek . . .. .`,..:-.'... - .......,, -.•"ii.`TP 1+i'!7 t:,j.Fr _ ,r.-_ r. ems:' v • r�,tt'fthK L :���+' - t r Joint Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources approved and Planning Commission Meeting Nov. 22, 1976 page 3 Motion : Pierce moved, Pauly seconded, to direct the ctaff to gather inform-at ion for t':; commissions' review relative to funding, areas of priority, private ownership, creek use, etc . , and schedule another joint meeting in mid-January , 1977. The motion carried with Bearman voting nay. - Pierce suggested that the public be notified two weeks prior to the upcoming joint meeting as directed in the ccuncil 's approval of the Purgatory Creek Study as a guide. II . OTHER BUSINESS None III. ADJOURNMENT Schee moved, Bearman seconded, to adjourn at 8: 25 PM, the motion carried. e u R spectf lly Submitted , . Jean Johnson y. '>•!^w;,"`�+1!!'r�ia.., . .:'.T" .-"..�j+c-rr.`.a+4'f' ,::,re.+.r •�R�}�4ssr.'lgpy�"' '.�:'-.'"'.��"" �'•rl` -",a' .-;' .r. v-� ._�-*` • r �� S ►:s:.•. •�ry,,it _ AG,,END A JJIA'T PI_ANNI;tiG c'E'•MISS110!e t; PARKS RECRTF:M # Aril ti 'it,R.'II. RE.St 1RI'I`S C0.%NlSST1rj4kZ 7:00 P:•i Monday, November 22, :976 Ciry Hall Planning�Conrlission M,we_rs: Chairman Don Sorensen. Schee, Sundstrom. Bear =. Park,_ Rrxre°ar on and h'aturaI [tZ ;eurc�:s `lechers, Chair-mar, Erick::un, Pierce, AnJer!zon, Choinie*�e, Fifield,Gzrens, Iielmer, "ingrey, ;►!id'.I:t �:l.irpion Staff ::em110k7s: Putnan, Director of I7-4aaining Jrssen, Coe+lmunit}' Services Director Jolw._son, Re•.ording Secretary X In:•oc:ttioil Pledge of Alle&iance Roll .:ail 1. AP ROVAL OF AGENDA 11 . DISCUSyION OF PURGATORY CREED 111 . GL0 BUSINESS ICI. NEW BUSINESS V. ARJ0l2PN,%IE NT ----------_--_-_-------___--_------ PRFLTMINNARY AGENDA Eden Prairie Planning Cor;+r..ission 1iondny, November 22, 1976 8:SOP M Invocation Pledge of Allegiance Poll Call I. APPRQ1'AL CP 1GUN 1 11. MINUTES OF TTI \Ok-TM F h'. 8. 19 7 o k3TT 1 NG 111. ME\t3FRS RII-PORTS A.Chairman ()on Sorc-n scn B. Coilrc i x Representative Pauly C. Others Tyr. Rt;F;1RTS .%ND RFi O\TMFN'11AT1O\S approximately 5 aces rrt..7n ttti �%ffice. Tot- site lvcarr:i in the sotit wc-st quadrant of CSX1 6" I� Co. fiil. ;R. V. Pi-TITTnX5 k%n N;•nVT;Frr. A. I'tic- i'ale I'la-,l •`� r` InL` C� '�T ? tilir�t �i`:` 3't1tit!C.hi :(C�el:�l`r.^Ai St P90 Plan ;ll�`Yt`1': - .3- .i �•?'C i�ry::.1.17�`► ?1%i� a��%p'"n-a l . Th, rW ;c t ;t.aring (in My 1-.real :7niiiary- i lrt wl I I hC hcl%l �-c c-:: c-r 3Sth. VI . OI D RUSI\I'S VIT. NU Rl Its-IM ;S - 'JOINT P-l;V%NTNG CMM.'!ISSION �, PARKS , RECRI-.A"'IQ'� AND .:'.Tli�ckl. RESOURCES COI.-V,6 SION -IEET I.N C Y 7 :00 M%l Monday , tiovemrcr 22, 1976 City 11:11 l PIanning Comm i ssl o sn Mcr.-her : Cl�<� * r��an Don Sorensen , Norma Schee , Rod Sundsti-cm, �. r_ _ Wi.i l l a � Bearman , Richard Lynch , Bert, I-osnocht , Sidney Pau I Pains , _Recrca ion _and Kul ar4i Resources C�?m^i - 5�on �•icTi�ers �� Chnirm.an Mar,.,-An Fri crsor. Tim Pierce , !ti :harc° Ander."on , -- � Pail C�:-�: nicre,Steve rifield , ivilliam Carens , Francis liclner,.It-rT)• Kingrey, Geneva Middleton , Nlai,)- Upton, Randy R :Z wrath St;:`'I irar;y ,le=sen , Director of Cc,aauaity Scrvtces Dicl: rutnar;, hector r� Jean Johiisoii, Secretary I. �ISCttSSIt;\ ;`�F PtIRr1;TG,:� ti�{L•±:� Fl . ClMER Billsj%-I:"S i h U T E S , ED;N PRAIRIE PARKS , RECRrATIO'N tMUND NATURAL RESOURCES COl M"rLSSION, and PLANNING COMISS1ON MEETING Monday, November 22 , I976 7 :00 Phi City hall Parks , Recreation ,ndNaturai J. Resources Commission Vomhers I' s�L�V111L _. Marvin Ericl.son, gteve Fificld , Dick Anderso,1 . Tim Pierce , Randy ' Rotterath , Francis Helmer , Paul Cl,cinicre P1ann,in ; Commission t, M1-.,i,br-,_s P i-went : Pon Sorensen , nick Lyt .a , Sidney Pauly , i;orma SeLce , Rod Sundstrom, P�i l l i am 111carmian S-af "resent : Mart.; Jesser , Dick. Putnam, Jean Ju'Dnson .1cssen hacl.grounded the Purgatory Creek Study and the Council 's approval of the Stu1� .as a guide for use and protection of the creek corridor. ;le added the city pro?seritly o,.,.ns ;:Pnroyim-ately 500 acres along the creek . He i;iformed the commissions 'lustads are i.nterc-sted in develnning sin-,le family along the southern portion of the creel; and desire 4o know the c.;.t;• s stanJ on implementing the Stud)•. WaIIy Hust :d , Hustad Development Corporation , stated the train cojice.:: 41F :hc Study and themselves , ;s preservation of the creel: valley. He stated the), and other residents would like to see the creek valley preserved as is with limited use . They Pref.r no public eccess as it would destroy the wildlife habitat . He added that they desire to develop single family lots next year in time for the Parade of Homes. The development would be called dill Creek Estates and would contain approximately 550 lots ranging in size from approximately 6,500 square feat to 2 acres . Jensen felt Hust.ads are presenting ar. Extreme option of creel: corridor develop- ment as lots are platted down to the creek . He estimated approximately 50--100 lots would he located it, the transition and conservancy zones of the creek and if the land would be purcliased by the city it would require a significart amount o � funds . Nt- csb%tat I`ur the c;uiam.i ,slons ' feelings relative to how the area should be developed and what 2.mplementation guidelines should be .followed . I-lazily bclicued the area along the creek and south of Co. Rd . 1. is the most unique area of the creek valley and the hijzhest anal hPss use may be Private ownership with covenants and/or restrictions for use and protection . Wally liust.ad agreed , ard believed covenants can be placed on the deeds or a horneownr-r' c dnru mer+ s cc%uld be us4 i, As 0e proposed development was shown containing multiple sized lots , Sorensen inquii-od what t)jic of zoning or pud request Hustads would by submitting. Haas+.ad rapliccl that since sorzc lots arc as small as 6, 000 square feet , that RUN] 6. 5 zoning would probably hr., ,'agar sted. A ,I:.•�r:l "nr;r,.;:an l-,el xz-ved tho cr•cet: va l 1 c>-- sbou l d be enjoyed by more than the ir,:rccaintr I .-indowners and the lotting p1nn proposed even restricts visual enjoyment �,f the Creek t'a l l cy. Joint Parks , Recreation, and Natural Re-�o1irCe[..:. approvc!J an(? Planning Commission Alccting Nov. 22, 1976 page 2 Rod Sundstron, questioned if the future 1 ,000 residents ( approx. 3Jhouschold) , might themselves create slot o pressure on the creek valley. Sorensen asked if. Hustads had alternate lotting plans . Hustad replied alternate plans are available but have not been entertained . Pauly questioned if this segment of the valley has priority over the remainder of the creek. Jessen believed this of the: creek is very unique foi passive recreation . Schee believed the creek valley can be enjoyed by lean,' Withntlt excessive dW7,age as arcc.s like the Arboretun . and Carve_ Park. Anderson believed this segment of the creek is one of the riost unique areas in • the city, perhaps in flennupin County, and should be enjoyed by all Jessen informed the commissions the Metro Coijncil staff does feel, chances are good for furrling if the cite dte ,ires to pursue the purchase of the Purgatury Creek corridor. He added the cost of creek impl :Ji;ientati on, as esf im,atcd in the Study, is about 1. . 97 million. Schcc bel ie,,-od public nianagement would be the best way to handle the creek amenity. Pierce suggested the city control a portion of the creek valley and allow the remainder to develop privately. Lynch asked the timatabie involved in acquisition Jessen replied the city could expect an answer relative to funding within one year. Sally Brown: 10080 Bennett Place, asked if it is the city ' s thinking that ever), wr.eni.ty is too aesthetic to be privately oimed . P13.znirp ranMission members Lynch , Schee and Bearman replied negative, but believed the only for the Public to enjoy certain amenities is for the amenity to be public. Sundstrom felt it ma; be easier tc keep trespassers out of the area if it is publicly managed . • -Sorensen 7elieved solr.e amenities should be acquired and some should be privately Oulled . tie urged th-e staff to investigate other means of acquisition than density tradeoffs . Dick Anderson suggested perhaps one side of the creek Could be public ar•d one side private. Helmer inquired if casements on both sides of the creek would tic possible . Mr. Hustad state they desire no public use of this unique area of the creek . Joint Parks , Recreation and Natural Pesources approved and Planning Commission Meeting Nov . 22 , 1976 pave 3 Motion : Pierce moved , Pauly seconded , to direct the staff to aatber informnrinn f.�r t►,W CO�It-nissi ons ' review relative to funding , areas of priority, private ownership, creek use, etc. , and schedule another Joint meeting in mini-January The motion carried with Bearman ',noting nay. Pierce suggested that the public be notified two weeks prior to tht, upcnmiag joint meeting as directed in the council ' s approval of the Purgatory Creek Study as a guide . II . OTHER BUSINESS None III . AUJOURNINTNT SYhee moved, Bearman seconded , to adjourn at S: ZS PM, the motion carried. Respectfully Submitted , Jean Johnson