Planning Commission - 10/25/1976 AMDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission j
Monday, October 25, 1976
7:30 PM City Hall u
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
COMMISSION WSWERS: Chairoan Sorensen, Schee, Sundstrom, Bearman, Lynch, Pamly,
Fusnocht
STAFF 14E[BERS: Dick Putnam, Jean Johnson
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
I T. MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 14, 1976 MMTING
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairman
B. Coamcil Representative
C. Others
IV. PETITIONS AND R1:QUE3TS
A. Condon/Nae ele Office Building, presentation of plans to rezone from
Rural to Office approximately 3 acres. The site s ; located in the j
southeast corner of the Co. Rd. 60 and 1-494 entrance rasp.
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
B. Stewart t ig lands, by Stawart Properties, request to prelimina:y
plat and rezone Tepview Acres Ist Addition from Dural to RM 6.S
for single family and/or double dwellings.
C. Poolside artmants, 94 unit apartment and double bungalow lots
locatea south of Anderson Lakes Parkway and northwest of Neill
Lake Road in The Preserve. Request for PUD Development Stags,
rezoning to M 2.5 and RM 6.5 and preliminary plat approval .
V. REPORTS AND RECOME'NDATIONS
A. Area G of The Preserve Commercial Plan, presesntati4m of de"lop . t
standards implementing the PUD Concept Plan snd request for rezoning
from Rural to C-Regioreal Service. The site is located in the northeast
quadrant of Schooner Boulevard and US 169,/212 intersection.
e. East/WO$t artments The Preserve, request for rezoning from Rural
to 2-M 2 .5 m „,99- *or 129 r anta i Wrtarat units . The site is
located west of The Preserve Center.
VI . OLD BUSMESS
A. Land Development Procedures
1 . PUD Procedures
I. toning Procedures
SOL3. Preliminary Plat Procedures
VII. �[ BU5I�3.S -
VIIl . P1M1 ROS REPORT _
1 . Covenant Living renter : «
IX.
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MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
approved
Monday, October 25, 1976 7 :30 PM City Hall
COMMISSION PRESENT- Chairman Sorensen, Schee, Fosnocht, Sundstrom.. Lynch
COMMISSION ABSENT: Bearman , Pauly
STAFF PRESEW: Dick Putnam, Planning Director
I . APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Add-VIII. 2. Purgatory Creek 'Tour
II . Reconsideration of the September 2?, 1976 Minutes
Schee moved, Sundstroin seconded,to approve the agenda as amended. The motion
carried unanimously.
II . MINUTES OF OCTOBER 14, 1976 PLANNING COWISSION MEETING
P. l, II. ,A. , 1,2nd P should read- . by a cyclone fence and pl&itings.
P. 1 III,A. , 3,should read-. questioned whether the Planning Commission ever
made a recommendation or held a public hearing on the Edenv ale Family Recreational
Center Addition plat with the Edenvale Family Recreational Center plat.'
P.2, IV. , A. , sentence before Motion 1 should read-. be a 221D4 Program
P.39B. 09th P should read- . . . available for 221D3 programs.
MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 27, 1976 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Schee moved. -Fosnocht seconded, to reconsider the September 27, 1976 minutes.
The motion passed unanimously.
P.1 ,III. ,2. , should read-. . . a Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources
Commission member suggested . . . .
Lynch moved, Fosnocht seconded, to approve the September 27, 1976 Minutes
as corrected. The motion carried unanimously.
Lynch moved, Schee seconded, to approve the October 14, 1976 Minutes as
written and cvrrecta:1. The motion carried 2:0:3 (Schee,Sundstrce.Fosnocht
abstained) .
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairman
Sorensen asked why ter, CNR development had requested a change in their assess-
ment for water charges. The staff could not answer , but said they would
check.
Sorensen questioned the Bristol Say ( Penton / Ni.tchell Lake project ) ,
easements to the waters edge. The planner explained that the original
approval of the open space area adjacent to the lake was to protect the
character and provide space in the future for a psthway for the homeowners.
The owner of the project believes the easement approach was more acceptable
and the Council approved such a change.
Sorensen indicated Penzel has asked that two Planning Commission members be
selected to represent the commission at the guide Plan Assembly. Dearman
and Sorensen were requested to represent the commission.
Every member was invited to participate in the Assembly and urged to do so.
B. Council Representative Pauly-absent.
C. Others-None
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -2- Oct. 250 1976
IV. PFT11-IONS AND REQUESTS
A. Condon/Naegele Office Building, presentation of plans to rezone from
Rural to Office approximately 3 acres. The site is located ;n thm
southeast corner of the Co. Rd. 60 and I-494 entrance ramp.
Mr. James Geisler,Gesign Consortium-project architect,presented the plans as
illustrated in the October 25, 1976 brochure. He stressed the unique quality
of the site and the architectural solutions . proposed. He also indicated the
request by the owners for a double sided elevated billboard visible from 494
north of the site and the interchange with US 212. He estimated the size to
be approximately 20 feet by 50 feet and stressed the billboard advertising was
very meaningful to the owners.
The commission members had a number of questions concerning the billboard proposal ,
such as the size compared to the elevated Naegele billboard by their 3SW building,
(estimated to be 1/2 the size of the 35' tl billboard) . Concerning the site
plan, the commission questioned the right-of-way necessary for Schooner Boulevard
and the access when it is improved.
Mr. Lynch expressed the concern that the staff not spend excess time
analyzing the billboard request , but rather deal with the site development which is
the major request before the commission.
Notion:
Sundstrom moved, Schee seconded, to continue consideration of the Condon/Naegele
Office Building rezoning request to the November Sth meeting and request the staff
to prepare a report for the commission. The motion carried unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
B. Stewart Highlands, by Stewart Properties, request to preliminary plat and rezone
Topview Acres 1st Addition from Rural to RM 6.S for single family and/or double
bungalow dwellings.
Mr. Harry Johnson, Harry S. Johnson ry Assoc. , explained the revised' plan meets
the city zoning and subdivision ordinances c-mpletely with no variances required.
He also presented a road pattern map developed by Eden Land Corporation showing a
number of different road patterns around the site. He indicated he has talked to
Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services, regArding the pathway along Co. Rd. 60
and the open space/park contribution . He mentioned the meeting with Mr. Putnam
and Mr. Jullie concerning the roads, eewer ---.i drainage for the site.
He felt that the plan,which allows for reasonable phasing and a simple lotting
concept , should be excluded from the Major Center Area assessment.
Mr. Ed Schuck,7286 Topview Road, asked where a play space would be provided for
the project. Mr. Stewart indicated there is an acre in Topview Second Addition
which has not been used and questioned if there exists a need for play space
with the city park to be located to the west. He also felt there will be very
few children in the Stewart Highland project.
Tom Bartel, EP News, asked how many units are being planned and their approximate
costs. Mr. Johnsor. responded there would be 106 units ranging from $8S,000 to
100,000 for two units with an average monthly rental of $500 + .
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approved
P.lanning Commission Minutes -3- Oct. ?%, 1976
Mr. Walter Carpenter, Minnesota Tree, restated the concerns in his letter,
distributed that evening to the commission, as the costs of additional roads
which would have little benefit to his commercial area, and more impo-..-tartly
the impact of double bungalow development directly north of his property.
He also indicated the plans to remove the large morraine south of Stewart 's
site is necessary for Schooner Boulevard fill and material to develop adjacent
commercial sites. He expressed concern that when the units are 'built that
removal of the hill and construction of commercial uses will maet with a groat
deal of resistence even though it has been planned b-- the city for many years.
He was unclear as to what might be done to alleviate the problem, but wished
to express the concern at this time. He hoped that if the city approved
the request that they would also reaffirm their support for t-he Major Center
Plan as it applies to his property.
Schee felt the developer had made a number of improvements to the project and
hoped that the road concerns could be solved.
Sorensen expressed the concern that the street intersections along Co. Rd. 60
might not be safe due to sight lines and locations and hoped the staff would
address the problems closely.
MOti or:
Schee moved, r" sn oeht seconded, to continue the public hearing on Stewart Highlands
to the November 8th meeting and direct the staff to prepare a brief staff report
on the revised plan.
C. Poolside Apartments, 84 unit apartment &nd double bungalow lots located
south of Anderson Lakes Parkway and nortbwest of Neill lake Road in The
Preser•ie. Request for PUD Development Stage, rezoning to RM 2 5 and RN 6.5
and prelimina=y plat approval .
Doug Moe, architect, presented a site model to demonstrate the changes made to
the building location and site plan. Discussion followed between members of the
commission and Mr. .Nor concerning specific elements of the project , such as :
parking, access, landscaping , buffer treatment and the visible impact of the
3 story structure.
The planner presented the staff report analysing the project . Discussion between
the comissiun , audience and proponent followed regarding the staff report recommen-
dations.
John Bergan, 9705 Bentwood Drive, questioned how the project could be considered
since it was denied less than a year ago. The planner explained this project
say have a similar building to the previous Neill .Lake Apartments, but it is located
on a differet.t site and hence is not the same project.
Action 1 :
Lyno-h moved, Schee seconded, to close the public Nearing on the Poolside Apartment
project. The motion carried unanimously.
HIot i on 2:
Lynch moved, Sundstrow seconded, to recommend approval of the rezoning request from
Kral to RN 2.5 based upon the modified plan as illustrated by the model and the
recommendations of the October 19, 1976 staff report adding #5 :
S. Parking requirements modified to 2.2S spaces/unit.
Also recommend approval of the 1.6 acre rezoning to PJ►1 6. 5 as per the modifi-ed
site plan. And further reconend approval of the preliminary plat request. The
motion carried unanimously.
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Plarning Commission Minutes -4- Oct. 2S, 1976
V. REPORTS AND RECONW.NDATIONS
A. Area G of The ?reserve Commercial Plan. presentation of development
standards implementing the PUD Concept Plan and request for rezoning
4rom Rural to C-Regional Service. The site is located in the northeast
quadrant of Schooner Boulevard and US 169/212 intersection. +'
The planner stated the staff has not completed the staff report for the commission's q
consideration and believed a general discussion of the concept Haight be beneficial . y
A shcrt discussion followed concerning the general concept of the DFM approach
and the benefits to the developer and city.
Motion :
C
dstrom moved, Lynch seconded, to continue consideration of the Area G request
to the November 8th meeting and direct the staff to complete the staff report.
The motickcarried unanimously.
B. East/West Parkway Apartments, The Preserve, request for rezoning from Rural
to RM 2. S on 8.98 acres far 129 rental apartment units. The site is
located west of The Preserve Centex .
Since the plan had been changed and no final site plan was available for discussion,
the commission considered the housing memo prepared by W. Hess which outlined
a variety of statistical studies for cost of developments, taxes and income generated.
Too Bartel, EP News, questioned how many children would be in a D3 project vs. a
normal apartment cimplex . Hess repsonded that the experience of the developer
is that the projectF are identical in the number of children,( figuring approximately
.3 children/ unit ) .
John Bergan , 8705 Bentwood Drive, questioned the figures Mr. Hess presented relating
to which type of development generated the best economic picture for the city. He was
of the opinion that $100,000 homes were better development for the city than
rental apartment units especially if they are subsidized. He Also questioned why
this project is being considered since the city has already established a lour priority
for additional subsidized units. He then asked why a tax subsidy is needod if this
project is for middle and upper income individuals .
Hess stated , today due to interest rates in the conventional mover market, that
apartment development is not feasible without the HUD financing programs, both
221D 3 and 221D4.
Notion :
Fosnocht moved, Lynch seconded, to continue consideration of the East/West Aparta is
to the November 8th meeting and direct the staff to complete a staff report. Tine
motion carried unanimously.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Lan Development Procedures.
Due to the late hour and the importance of the procedures, the commission moved:
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to schedule the Land. Development Procedures item
as the first item on the November 8t2: agenda, The motion carried 3:2
VII. NEW BUSINESS-none
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Planning toasission Minutes -S- Oct. 2S, 1976
Yl I I. PLANNER'S REPORT
I. Covenant Living Centers hie..
The planner presented a IS minute slide presentation explaining the concept of
retirement laving proposed in the Eden Prairie MCA. He indicated that the project
is being considered by the Metropolitan Healtr, Board and that pending approval by
the Health Board the project will apply to the City for approval. No action was
required. General cow nts by the comisission were favoarable to the concept and
the propose3 site in the MCA.
3. Purgatory Creek Tour with Hustads
The planner explained that Hustads have pending deveiopnent proposals along the
creek that sight encroach within the conservation area indicated in the Purgatory
Creek Study completed by Brauer $ Associates. He stated the PRNR Comission
had suggested a meeting between the Planning Cosission and themselves be held
to discuss how the creek study should be implemented.
The tour is scheduled for next Monday, Nnv. 8, 19760, S:1S PM, prior to the
Planning Coiission Ming. Interested persons are to meet at the City Hall.
3. Setback Report _by Carl Jullie, City En3inaer
The planner referred the comission to the report regarding setback standards
which are a consensus of the setbacks used on lots less than 13,SOO square feet.
Discussion followed regarding -the appropriateness of such a decision by the
staff or comission.
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MOt ion
MWe moved. Lynch seconded, to forward a copy of the mero to tt Counel i and ask
the council if they desire to have the Planning and Zonifg Cars s;on consider
the subdivision standards suggested by the city rnginesc 7 r . notion carries
4 :n:l ( Sorensen abstained ) .
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to adjourn at lO:SSPH. The notion carried unanimously.
Respectfully Subrcitted
Dick Putnam, i
Planning Director, (Acting Secretary)
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