Planning Commission - 09/13/1976 AGENDA
Planning Commission
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Invocation -- - Pledge of Allegiance - - - Roll Call
I . APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II . MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 2s , 1976 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
III . MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chsirman Don Sorensen
B . Council RepresentativL- Pauly
C . ' Others
IV . REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A . Ziegler incorporated , request for PUD concept approval for
approximately 57 acres of industrial uses and variances
from the I - S District for approximately 30 acres which
are zoned . The :1JU is located in the northwest quadrant
of Valley View Road and Washington Avepue .
PUBLIr HEARINGS :
g , Flidden Oaks , The Preserve , request by Mr . Kevlin for
preliminary plat approval and rezoning to R1 - 13 . 5 ( with
side yard variance ) , for 34 lots within Black 4 , Lot 1 ,
Basswood Forest . The site is located in the southwest
corner of the East/west Parkway and Basswood Road .
A public hearing .
C . ST-ewarf-Highland-s of Eden Prairie , request by Stewart
Properties - for PUD c:oncf,pt approval , preliminary platting
and rezoning of 56 lots for single family and double
dwellings . T;e PUD is located on the south side of
Co . Rd . 600 h mile east of Baker Road , across from 7'opview
Acres Second Addition . A public hearing .
V . PETITIONS AND REgJESTS
VI . OLD BUSINESS
VIl NEW BUSINES5
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PRELIMINARY AGENDA
Planning Commission
Monday, September 13, 1976
7:30 PM, City Hall
Note: This agenda is sub;ect to change items may be added, f
deleted , or changed . For final agenda call Jean
Johnson at the City Hall , 941-2262 , Friday before the
meeting.
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Invocation --- Pledge of Alicgiance --- Roll Call i
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I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II . MINUTES OF THF. AUGUST 23, 1976 PLANNING COMMISSION ?&STING
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III . MEMBERS REPORTS
IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Ziegler Incorporated, request for PUD Concept approval for approximately
58 acres of industri-a-I uses and variance from the I-5 District for
approximately 30 acres which are zoned The PUD is located in the
northwest quadrant of the Valley View Road and Washington Avenue inter- �
section.
B. Hidden Oaks, The Preserve, request by Mr. Kevl:n for preli Lary plat
approval and rezoning to R1-13. 5 ( with side yard variance ) for 34
lots within Block 4 , Lot 1 , Basswood Forest, the site if located in
southwest corner of the East/West Parkway and Basswood Pbad.
A public hearing.
V. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS
A. Stewart Highlands of Eden Prairie, request by Stewart Properties for
PUD Cm.cept approval , preliminary platting and rezoning of 56 lots 4
for single family and double dwellings. The KAD is located on the
south side of Co. Rd. 60 , � mi le east of Raker Road, across from
Topview Acres Second Addition. A public hearing.
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VI . OLD BUSINESS
VII. NEW BUSINESS
0411. PLANNER'S UPORT
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MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
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iiondey , September 13 , 1976 7 :30 PM City Hall
COMMISSION PRESENT : Chairman Don Sorensen , Rod Suwdstrom, Dick Lynch
Herb Fosnocht , Sidney Pauly, Norma Schee,W. Searman
STAFF PRESENT : Dick Putnam
ty I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Chairman Sorensen read a letter received September 13th addressed
to the Planning Commission " Gentlemen
Receipt is acknowledged of a copy of the staff report
of the Eden Prairie Planning Commission relativo to
the S7 . 6 acres of land in the northwest corner of the
intersection of Washington Avenue South and Co . Rd . 39
in Eden Prairie .
As I believe you know the conditions sought to be
imposed upon Ziegler. Inc- in consideration of the
granting of a building permit and necessary v"-rii-
ances are not acceptable to us and we lave deter-
■ined to abandon our efforts to acquire this
.; property .
40 Please remove this subject from the agenda of the
Planning Commission meeting to be held this date
and from the September 14th agenda of the City
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Very truly yours :
N. M. Mullinix
Vice President , Secretary—Treasurer
Motion :
*Garman moved Lynch seconded , to delete the Ziegler Inc . request
for PUD approval and building permit variances from the September
13th agenda as requested by Ziegler Inc . The motion carried unan -
imously .
Motion :
Barman moved , ',ynch seconded to __approve the agenda as corrected .
_The motion carried unanimously .
II . MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 23 , 1976 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
p. I , itri 111VA. 92 . , last sentence should read- plan-ned
for the extension in conjunction with other projects .
2 , 3? should read- that Catepillar has throughout the country .
3*C. , Motion 1 : should read - as stated in other variance
cases as there is a strong steed for the City to address the
*bolt issue of setbacks and variances in the context of the
*stir* city ordinances .
Motion :
Boorman roved , Fosnucht seconded , to approve the minutes as corrected .
The notion tarried 6 : 0 : 1 with Schee abstolning .
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approved
Planning Commission Minutes -2- Sept . 130 1976
r Ill . NEMBERS . REPORTS
A. Ctsirman Don Sorensen . Y. .
'Sorensen continued his report to the end of the meeting .
B. Council Representative Pauly .
i . The City Council strengthened the Crosstown Resolution
in tho areas discussed at the Planning Commission ' s
last meeting concerning future improvements and land F
use decisions .
2 . Area H-PUD 4 Rezoning, was approved by the Council
3. Crosstown Baptist Church was approved by the Council
as per the commission ' s recommendations .
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4 . Nygren Plat 4 Rezoning , was approved by the Council .
C. Others .
1 . Bearman brought-. up the jump in the Moody ' s Bond Rating
for the City of Eden Prairie from Baa to a A rating .
2 . Sorensen read the news release , dated September 13 ,
from Pillsbury Corporation , stating its agreement -
to purchase 228 acres of land in The Preserve , adja-
cent to Anderson Lakes , for the development of a
research center to cost approximately 45 million dollars .
IV. REPORTS AND RECOM14ENDATIONS Q
A. Ziegler Inc . -Withdrawn
B . Hidden Oaks , The Preserve , request by Mr . Kevl-ir. for
preliminary plat approval and rezoning to R1 - 13 . S (with
side yard variances ) , for 34 lots within Block 4 , Lot 1
Basswood Forest . . The site is located in the southwest
corner of the East/West Parkway and Basswood Road .
A public hearing .
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Larry Corituie, Carlson 4 Carlson Surveyors , presc:.tad the 34 `
lot plan and explained drainage , street configuration 4utilities . -
The planner reviewed the staff report of September 71,`L . -
Mrs . Retterath and Mrs . Sakella , residents of the Preserve ,
questioned the naming of the plat "Bidden Oaks" in that it
tight be more appropriate named Basswood Forest similar to
the existing plat . fir. . Corituie explained that the owner �
did not wish to name the plat the same as the previous plat
and believes Hidden Oaks is appropriate .
Sorensen questioned the configuration of some of the lots and
if they would require further setback variances as the pro-
perties are developed . Mr . Corituie explained that they have
looked at the options have walked the site , and they feel
the lots , as proposed would be buildable without further
variance requests .
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Sorensen asked if all lots were at least 138S00 square feet
and would a 90 foot setback variance from the provisions of
the Subdivision Ordinance be required . Mr . Corituie responded
the two lots are undar the 13, S00 size, but front on the lake
and park , and that all lots at the building setback line would
be 90 foot minimums .
Motion 1 : '
Lynch moved, Fosnocht seconded , to close the public hearing
considering the preliminary plat of Hidden Oaks . The motion
carried unanimously.
Notion 2 :
Bearman moved , Lynch seconded , to .recommend to the City Council
development stage approval for the Hidden Dak3 single family
development in The Preserve PUD, rezoning from Rural to . Rl - 13 . S
for the. 34 lets on 17+acres , and preliminary plat approval with
• setback variances fo•r side yards as follows :
S feet 1 story garage
10 feet 1 story house
15 feet Z story house
Discussion :
Considerable discussion followed concerning appropriateness of
variances for large lo~ single family subdivisions .
Vote : A role call vote was requested . The motion carried
Lynch , 8earman , Sundstrom, Pauly voted aye) .
Fosnocht stated he objected to the plat because the S/10/ 1S
. ariances requested were unnecessary for such expensive homes .
Sorensen objected to the variances as he interpreted the intent
of such variances would . be to provide for low and moderate
Income single family housing and not simply applicable to all
large scale developments . He did not feel the plat met the intent
of the Zoning Ordinance and that there weretoo many variances .
The planner read the previsions of Ordinance 135 , Section tl ,
Planned Unit Developments . He stared it was within the c029i33ion ' s
right to find that the project was consistent with the intent
of the PUD provisions because it specifically encourages the
granting of variances if creative site planning , etc . , result .
The planner then informed the propcnant that a letter requesting
a public hearing before the City. Council should be addressed
to the City Manager when they desire to appear before the - Council .
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C. Stewart Hi elands of Eden Prairie, request by Stewart
Properties for PUD Concept. approril , preliminary platting
and rezoning of S6 lots for single family and doable
dwellings . The PUD is located on the south side of Co. ad.
60, h mile east of Baker Road , across from Topviow
Acres Second Addition. A public hearing .
The proponent's planners presented a lengthy discussion of tine
• rationale behind thair request and the merits of tho .plaa .
Mr. Seidu,H. A. Johnson Co. Inc., explained that tha original
MCA intent for office/commercial antmedi■in density residsa -
tial• was a good idea, but could not be implemenzea today
based on the slowness of the market and the demand for double
bungalow units . He felt their proposal is a good use because
it iszjm ideal transition area and was marketable today . He
indicated the second and third home buyer,. ages 40-50, would
be the primary buyers and would live in half of the unit and
rent the other half. Mr. Seida further explained that because
of the utility service and development cost , that cluster type
development was not feasible . He stated the plan did sot
Incorporate a north/south street between Valley View Road and
the new Ring Road because of a 40-SO foot drop in grade ,
traffi: sight visibility at Valley View Road and no assurance
the road will be built . . The proponents suggested the read
be located on the property west of the Stewart property and
that would be better suited from a grade and land development
standpoint . '
Mr. Seida than presented a schematic section through the
property illustrating the spacing L tween lots which world have
a 46 foot drop from the east property line to the west . He
felt this would break-up the grid iron street system and would
make the project morn at*tracti•ve .
Mr. Seida distributed a brochure with photos, of homes similar
to the duplexes proposed .
The cosiaissiofi asked if the hoses la the booklet .ouli have the
10 foot between structures requested by Stewart Properties .
Mr. Seida responded that only a couple of pictures would
Illustrate that condtion .
Sorensen questioned the alignment of Gerard Drive in the Topvier
Acres p4at and how it would .line-up .•ith the proposed westerly
- . street . Mr. Seida said the platting does not line-up . but
the actual street location today dues match with the existing
Gerard Drive.
A question was raised about the active play space provided and
whether it would be adequate for the 112 units proposed .
Mr. Seida indicate'd they did not holieve the futuro residents
would require active play space , but two tesysis Courts andlor
swimming pool could be built is they outlet in the southwest
corner of the site if desired .
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Mr. Stewart spoke to several points which he felt made the
project desirable to the City of Eden Prairie . He indicated
the current water shortage , which most communities are exper-
i *ncing , would be partially solved by the limited lawn space
provided in the smaller double bungalow lots . Secondly , the
homes would have a 40- 50 foot backyard and a 40 foot front
yard to the street . He felt the gas shortage would be somewhat
alleviated since there would be a limited amount of lawn to mow .
He also felt that terracing would make good sense and that the
commercial and office development potential of this site was
not feasible in today ' s market . He indicated that many
builders - have expressed interest in this size lot of ui.der
13, 500 square feet .
Mr. Doug Goreski H . S . Johnson Co . Inc„ said he was instrumental.
In recommending to Mr. Stewart that no north/south road between
Valley View RoAd and the Ring Road be accommodated on this plat
because of the 45 foot deep cuts which would be required to
put the road in along the east property line . He felt this
Mould be unsuitable for the developer to assume the cost of
such a cut and loss of lots
The planner briefly outlined the comments of the September
3rd staff report and indicated that detailed alignments for
the connection between Valley View Road and the Ring Road
have not been completed . But, if the commission felt the plat
proposed warranted further consideration , the staff
would begin those detailed studies .
The planner then outlined the procedures which the proponent
had discussed on numerous occasions which could be either a
straight rezoning with variances requested , or a planned
unit development which would provide design flexibility if
-creative site planning and a better environment were created .
It was the staff ' s opinion as stated in the report , that the
proposed plan is a significant departure from the quality of
land panning developed in Eden Prairie and in that respect
it does not seem to justify the flexibility provided in
Ordinance 13S for PUDs .
Motion 1 :
Schee moved , Bearman seconded , to close the public hearing on
the preliminary plat application of Stewart Properties . The
motion carried unanimously.
Motion 2 .
Fosnocht moved , Schee seconded , to recommend denial of the
proposed Stewart Highlands PUD , rezoning from Rural to RM 6 . 5
and preliminary plat approval as the development plan :foes
not properly respond to :
a. north/south road connection ,
b. interior pedestrian system, .
_ c . adequate side yard setbacks ,
d . creative site planning techniques ,
e . usable group open space ,
further , in applying for variances from the RM 6 . 5 District
through the PUD process , variances are granted by the City if
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there are- mitigating effects and good reasons for the request .
This proposal does not , in the Planning Commission ' s opinion
respond to the basic minimum requirements of Ordinance 135 ,
RM 6 . 5 District , and lies not illustrate creative site planning
that would allow for such variances to occur as specified in
Ordinance 135 ,
Further :
2 . The proposal does not respond to the need for a
, north/south connection between old Valley View
' Road and the MCA Ring Road .
3 . The proposal requires the vacation of an existing
read right -of-way that may be needed for future
connection .
4 . The proponent is requesting that this project not
be include:: in the MCA for assessment reasons . E
Since the density proposed is somewhat low , an well
as originally planned for, this request may be
rea:^nable .
S . The proposed project would require variances .
It does not meet side yard setbacks , minimum lot
�• sizes , or the group open space requirement .
6 . The project does not respond to future needs of
pedestrians and bikers as an alternative form of
transportation to community facilities .
7 . The project is only 20 . 4 acres which is under the 25
acre minimum required for consideration as a PUD .
However , since the MCA requires that projects be
considered as PUDs , this is reasonable .
Sorensen moved , Fosnocht seconded , to amend the notion to
include point 1 :
The proposed western road alignment and intersection
with Valley View Road will be inconsistent with City E
ordinances for proper spacing between road intersection
points as Gerard Drive intersects Valley View Road on E
the north. Andsuch an intersection combined with the
road elevation would create unnecessary traffic hazards .
Vote :
The amendment carried 6 : 1 with Bearman voting nay.
The amended notion carried unanimously.
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Planning Commission Minutes -7- Sept . 13 , 1976
V. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS - none
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1 . Mr . Sherman Malkerson , Realtor with Robert Boblett Asso . ,
representing the Swendsejns Mr . Wally O 'deil attorney
for the Swendseen ' s and Mr . Jerry Swendseen asked that they
might make comments pertinent to the Ziegler Inc . proposal
that was withdrawn from the agenda .
Mr. Malkerson indicated that they were concerned it would be
difficult to sell their property and develop their land because
of the uncertainity over the Shady Oak Road and Valley View
Road alignment, and that the City ' s defining exactly what they
want is very important . He felt the dedication of right-of-
way and the park fee are unreasonable requests to make of
the landowner . He hoped there was some way that future
purchasers of the property could develop within a reasonable
framework .
The planner indiccted dedication of :oad right- of-way andthe
park fee were recommendations of the staff based on existing
City policies and that if Ziegler disagreed with those policies
they could certainly have discussed them with the commission ;
!' and urlimately the City Council . The staff does not make city
policy , but makes recommendations based on applications to
the City . He also indicated the city accommodated Ziegler ' s
request by scheduling meetings with the proponents and other
governmental agencies and hdjacent landowners to work- out
the specifics of the Ziegler plan . The City also scheduled
public hearings to accommodate the time constraints of Ziegler .
The planner felt there were many reasons for Ziegler ' s withdrawal..
2 . Bloomington Ferry Bridge Resolution , Issac Walton League .
Lynch moved , Schee seconded , to recommend to the City Council
that they endorse the draft resolution concerning the Blooming-
ton Ferry Bridge , Res . 76- 89 , ' as the bridge would bean
assest to retain as a pedestrian , non-vehicular . crossing .
The motion carried 5 : 0 : 1 with Fosnocht abstaining . ( Pauly
had left t;te meeting) .
III . MEMBERS REPORTS . Continued
A. Chairman Don Sorensen .
Sorensln brought uo the Metro Planning Bill and felt it was
important the City take a very active role in working with the
Metro Council to make sure items of local interest are being
considered. He indicated the importance of understanding the
parameters of the Act and that the feelings and needs of local
government should be takin. into consideration .
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The planner indicated that on October 1s a j o4 nt Edina/
Bloomington/Eden Prairie meeting would be heldwith John
_ Boland of the Metro Council to discuss the Metro
Planning Bill . The meeting is to be held at 7 : 30 PM at the
Eden Prairie City Hall . He also indicated the City staff has
been working closely with the Metro Council staff in developing
our City Comprehensive Guide Plan outline and those require-
ments of the Metro Manning Act .
VII1 . PLANNER' S REPORT
The planner briefly sammariied the South Hennepin Route
Ridership Transit Study by BRW and the MTC . He indicated
Eden Prairie was suggested as a demonstration site for new
concepts in transit service . he indicated he had informed
the MTC staff, that based on previous experiences , the city
would be very interested in participating .
The consensus of the commission was that a massive demon- .
stration project may not be appropriate rather a moderate TF
pr;)j ect may be more appropriate .
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IX. A.,JOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 11 : 00 PM
Respoc:fully Submitted ;
Dick Putnae ,
Planning Director
(Acting Secretary)
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