Planning Commission - 05/10/1976 nc�Maw4V
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Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, May 10, 1976
7 :30 PM, City Hall
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Rell Call
I . AFPROVAL OF AGENDA
II . MINUTES OF THE APRIL 26, 1976 PLANNING COMMISSION AEETING
III . MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairman Dan Sorensen
B. Council Representative Pauly.
C. Others
IV. REPORTS AND REC041ENDATIONS.
A. Area _y of The Preserve Commercial Plan. continued public hearing. Request
to preliminary plat Area H into 2 lots and to rezone one lot to Ci;Regional
Service. The site is located in the southwest quadrant of Schooner Boule-
vard and U. S. 169.
B. Cash in Lieu of Land Dedication Policies.
C. Sign Ordinance No. 261 Review.
V. PETITIONS AND RL UESTS.
A. Neill Lake Apartments in The Preserve, request for pud development plan
approval for 84 units. The site is located on Neill Lake Road across
from the High Point single family area.
B. Homeowner' s Associations , consideration of process to be used for HOA
in Eden Prairie.
VI. NEW BUSINESS.
VII. OLD BUSINESS.
VIII. PLANNERS REPORT.
A. Crosstown Extension
B. East/West Parkway Apartments
C. Letter from Sandra Bell
D. C/N Rezoning Agreement
IX. ADJOURNMENT.
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
approved
Monday, May 10, 1976 7 :30 PM City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Don, Sorensen , William Bearman, Rod Sundstrom, Richard
Lynch, Sidney Pauly
MEMBERS ABSENT: Norma Schee, Herb Fosno�ht
STAFF PRESENT: Dick Putnam, Jean Johnson, Marty Jessen
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA.
The commission approved the agenda as written.
I1 . MINUTES % THE APRIL 26, 197E PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINC.
P. 4,SP, 1st 'Line should read- familiar with the DNR Rules
3rd line should read-- stated they were -,:are and felt they could comply.
P. S,3P, should read - . . . from the 1970 approval which is equivalent to rezoning.
P. 6, 1f, should read - . . . stated the former proposal seemed reasonable . . .
Bearrrian moved, Sundstrom seconded, to approve the minutes as written and corrected.
The motion carried unanimously.
III . MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairman Don Sorensen.
1 .Sorensen directed the commission' s attention to the agenda for the Board
of Appeals and Adjustment 's meeting of May 20th.
B. Council Representative Pauly.
1 . Pauly reported the Council approved the Mitchell Lake PUD .
2. Paulv commented on how well the 1st Neighborhood Guide Plan Updatc
Meeting went.
The commission then discussed the Neighborhood Forum.
C. Others.
1 . Bearman asked when the Condon/Naegele Rezoning Agreement would be on
the Council 's agenda.
Pauly stated it is pending resolution of items in the agreement.
IV. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. Area P of The Preserve Commercial Plan, continued public hearing. Request
to preliminary plat Area H into 2 lots and to rezone one lot to C-Reg-Ser.
The site is located in the southwest quadrant of Schooner Boulevard and US 169.
The planner stated the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission has not
taken any action todate. He informed the commission the DNR has classified
Purgatory Creek as General Development. He then referred the commission to the
engineering report and stated a planning staff report would be prepared by the
following meeting.
Don Hess, The Preserve, stated the uses of auto dealerships on the site are not
absolute, but they desire rezoning on the property to make it marketable.
approved
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Sorensen inquired if the Preserve is willing to wait for a Planning Commission
recommendation until recommendations are received from the- Watersh� n: �...
the State Highway Department and the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources
Commission. Mr. Hess was not adverse to having the item continued to the next
meeting.
Motion :
Bearman moved, Sundstrom seconded, to continue the public hearing to the May 24th
meeting for a planning staff report . The motion carried unanimously.
B. Cash in Lieu of Land Dedication Policies.
Mr. Jessen showed an overhead slide projection of cash in lieu of land dedication
fees charged by the Cities of Arden Hills, Maplewood, Maple Grove and Chanhassen.
Don Hess felt the staff should investigate formulas for large puds which deserve
credit for internal facilities.
Mr. Jessen stated Maple Grove gives 25% or more credit for large purls and
some credit for homeowner associations. He said the staff would be doing
Mork on that aspect of fees.
Sorensen questionea the validity of tre various criteria used in the formulas to
measure or estimate users of Park facilities.
Mr. Sundstrom asked how many park sites are anticipated. Mr. Jessen replied 21 sites
are expected to be purchased.
Bill Bon::ervHustad Development Corporation, asked when the fees would be paid.
Mr. Jessen replied at the time of building permit acquisition. Mr. Bonner stated
he is in favor of the fee approach and time of payment for residential types.
Mr. Sund�crom asked if the fee structure would be reviewed. Mr. Jessen said it
would be reviewed on an annual basis.
Mr. Lynch felt the fee for commercial/industrial types needs further definition and
research as the flat $2,000.acre appears inequitable.
Mr. Jessen said the staff would be doing further research an charges for commercial
and industrial types.
Motion :
Lynch moved, Bearman seconded, to recommend to the Council adoption of the park
fee approach of the staff to be. collected at building permit time with interest
factors for delays between time of zoning and permit based on the user/benefit `
concept for residential . And a c.omercial/industrial fee with refinement as
to lard value be determined. Further recommend the fees collected from residen-
tial are to be used for neighborhood type develcpnent and coasercial/industrial
fees to be used for general community wide type park developotent. The motion
carried unanimously. x
approved
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C. Sign Ordinance 261 Review.
Lynch inquired how long the review would take. Mr. Putnam felt if a review
committee is established, the review would take approximately 6 months.
Sorensen felt the guide plan update may bring about an updating of the Zoning
Ordinance which may require another updating of the Sign Ordinance.
Mr. Lynch felt the review committee alternative is a good idea, but felt some
immediate needs of businesses should be met.
Mr. Bob Nelson, EP Chamber of Commerce, questioned if the present ordinance could
be modified to include the chamber's concerns and the total ordinance reevaluated.,
if necessary,after the Guide Plan update.
1 he commission felt the concerns of the chamber were too broad to recommend as
amendments to the ordinance.
The planner stated requests for sign review could be directed to the Planning
Commission instead of the Board of Appeals and Adjustments per the present ordinance.
Bearuan questioner the necessity of changing the ordinance sines the majority of
siV s conform and a review process is provided.
Doan Hess felt there are tpsteful means of doing necessary signage and that the
review process is too subjective. He suggested more qualified individuals be
on the review board.
Not ion :
Lynch moved, Sundstror seconded, to recommend to the City Council the recommendations
contained in the May 4, 1976 st!- Ff report and that immediate action is deemed
necessary with the first. committee meeting being held before the end of June 1976.
The motion carried unanimously.
`J. PET l T�CNS AND tE SS'TS.
A. Neill Lake Apartments in The Preserve, request for pud developaent plan
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approval for 84 units The site is located on Neill Lake Rcad across
from the High Point single family area.
Mr. Hess stated The Preserve is doing the oroje:t with a client and after the
review process is completeothe new owner will assume the project . He explained
the Neill Lakt Apartments are located on the southern part of the previously
approved Ridg ;"yj Condominiums. Hess stated no change in coning is required
and they are proposing 84 units with underground parking instead of the previously
mrporov,ed 10S urn i t s.
Jlift Retterath, 9011 High point Circle, asked how the apartment stories wouie be
viewed frca Neill Lake Road looking toward Neill take. Doug Moe , architect for
Vie project, showed illustrations depicting the views from different angles.
Sorensen inquired if a utter align*ent of the entry road and the High Point
cul -de-sac crms2d he achieved to prevent direct site views and -iw lights shining
into h~s. tilt. Mae stated tht entry is located across from the cul-de-sac
because to the south it would conflict with the pedestrian path. He_ beii.eved
1wiming would alleviate some of the straight line views.
.approved
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Sorensen inquired if there was a planting plan for the parking lot . Mr. Moe said
one would be done.
W. Dorni.den, 1OS01 Lake Fall Drive, asked what the rent structure of the
apartments would be. Mr. Hess said rents have not yet been determined.
.?o u: Retterath asked .if an additional access would be available if the traffic
on Neill Lake Road becomes a problem. The planner stated Neill Lake Road is a
collector, not a residential .street, and that :it can accommodate the traffic.
Motion :
Bearman moveu, Sundstrom seconded, co refer the item to the staff for a report and
direct the staff to notify residents of the pud development stage request.
B , Atvzeowner's Associations, consideration of process to be used for HOA
The planner informed the commission the Council referred the item to the commission.
Sorensen believed HOA can work, but must be defined and enforced so members of HOA
and the city are fully aware of the HOA requirements.
Lynch did not feel HOA could work efficiently.
Don Hess stated The Preserve HOA is an umbrella for other HOA and the FHA has
requirements as to what needs to he in HOA documents.
Bill Bonner felt HGA documents should have flexibility to better assure financing.
It was the consensus of the commission that the staff should itemize the problems
anj concerns relative to HGA and set up a meeting of HOA groups and interested
individuals with the Planning Commission.
VI. NEW BUSINESS. none
VII. OLD BUSINESS. none
VIII. PLANNER` S REPORT.
A. Crosstown 'Extension-the planner reported the item would be on the following
agenda.
B. East/Kest Parkway Apartments- the planner reported the item -ould be on
the following agenda.
C. Letter from Sandra bell The lanner referred the commission to the letter and
stated the strpvt is iiAsig"e- to ar�•ww►w►n�a=w •-16C •r ��'
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Mr. Hess stated each house in WestHind hab access to a trail and if the elemen-
tary school. is built across from Westwindsit would eliminate the problem. He
also felt construction of the N/3 Parkway would help.
Bearman felt the letter outlined legitimate concerns, but such problems are
_ unavoidable with cul-de-sacs.
Motion: Dearman moved, Lynch seconded, to receive and file the letter.
The notion carried unanimously.
D. C/N - Rezoning Agreement. No comments.
1X. ADJOURA1MENT. Bearman moved ,Sundstrom seconded , -to adjourn at 12 :OS AM. _
Notion carried
Respectfully Stibinitted ; Jean Johnson
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