Planning Commission - 01/26/1976 AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, January 26, 1976
7: 30 PM, City Hall
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- 'oll Call
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman N.)n Sorensen, Norma Scllee, Richar3 T&L—c:, Rod
Sundstrom, William Bearman , Sidney Pauly, Herb Fosnocht
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam, Jean Johnson, Chris Enger
I. MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 12, 1976 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
II . MEMBERS REPORTS.
A. Chairman Don Sorensen.
B. Council Representative Sidney Pauly.
C. Others.
III . REPORTS AND RECOMMENLATIONS.
A. Robert H. Mason 6 Fraser School Inc. , request for rezoning from Rural
to RM 6.5 Multi family The 4 acre site is located in the northeast
corner of the intersection of the East/hest Parkway and Preserve Boulevard.
A continued public hearing.
B. Purgatory Creek Study,, by Brauer 6 Associates .
C. Condon Naegele Realty PUD ,request for PUD concept plan approval for
approximately 165 acres and rezoning of 4 sites within the PUD to
Regional Service Commercial. The PUD is located north o w I-494 in
the Major Center Area and south of Smetana Lake and Nine Mile Creek.
D. Comprehensive Guide Plan Update. distribution of questionnaire from
Brauer 6 Associates and explanation_ of Forum 2 to be held on Feb. 5.
at Che Vo-tech School from 6: 00 - 11 :00 PM.
E. Edenvale 11th Addition, by Edenvale Incorporated, request for rezoning
to R1-13. 5 w;th lot size variances and preliminary plat approval for
approximately 22 lots on 6 acres . The site is located north of the
intersection of Woodhill Trail and Edenvale Boulevard. A continued
public hearing.
IV. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
A. Area H of the Preserve Commercial Plan, presentation by The Preserve of
plans for their site in the southwest quadrant of U.S. 169 and Schooner
Boulevard inter^section.
B. Homart Development Company, Twin City Federal and Subui,ban National Bank,
program modification o allow limited exterior s1gns no Eden Prairie center.
C. Gravel Mining Permit Re uest for Swendseen EE2arty .
V. PLANNER S RE OR .
A. Commun tv Development Block t-range for 1 Q7K; r1i vr.»oe;nn of �,:.�..;i�•►*� *1;+�
might be of community. benefit and eligible for funding.
B. Planning Commission Bylaws, discussion as to need for bylaws and/or other
procedures that members might deem helpful.
VI . ADJOURNMENT. _ -
M I N U T E S
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING C30ISSION
.approved
Monday, January. 26, 1976 7:30 PM City Hall
COMISSION. MEMBERS PRESENT:Chairman Don Sorensen, Richard Lynch, Rod Sundstrom,
Bill bearman, Sidney Pauly, Herb Fosnocht.
MEMBERS ABSENT: Noma Scree
STAFF PRESENT Dick Putnam, Jean Johnson
I, MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 12, 1976 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
P. 21IV.C. 21, should read- . , unanimous ballot for Mr. Fosnocht:
P.B, last P should read- SO for the proposal, 107 against
P. 12, ADJOURNMENT: Fosnocht moved, Bearman seconded,
Lynch moved, Bearman seconded, to approve the minutes as written and corrected.
The minutes carried unW.mously.
11 . MEMBERS REPORTS.
A. Chairman Don Sorensen.
Sorensen asked the staff to investigate the necessity of administering an
oath of office to the new members.
B. Council Representative Sidney Pauly.
Pauly reported the Council referred the item of small commercial outlets
to the Commission. She also stated that the council liaison would continue.
Notion: Fosnocht moved, Sundstron seconded, to direct the staff to investi -
gate and report on small commercial outlets. The notion carried unanimously.
C. Others. none
P PORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. Robert H. Mason 4 Fraser School Inc. , request for rezoning from Rural to
Rye 6.5 The 4 acre site is located in the northeast corner of the inter-
section of the East/Nest Parkway and Preserve S ulevard. A continued public r
hearing.
Mr. Steven Naill , Director Residential Services Muriel Humphrey Residences,
read the January 21 , 1976 letter to Mr. Putnam regarding statistics and facts
on the mentallyretarded crime and property devaluation.
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Sorensen listed other input received todate as information from; thr City of
Richfield, City of Bloomington, Cie; of Coca. Rapids, City of Victoria,
Kenney Realty, The Hope United Presbyterian Church , League of Noma Voters,
Mr. Rollins, Mrs. Wenke, 8 Mr. 'Tonnemaker.
Mr. Phil Riveness statedd almost all similar proposals have been revitmed by
the South Hennepin Human Services Council and th&� the Council voted unanimously �
to recommend approval of the Fraser program in The Preserve. �
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Sorensen asked it the South Hennepin tb man Services Council had am
concerns regarding the project . Mr. Riveness responded that the only concern
was that -the project say become a community within a community but they have
.strong faith that the Louis* Whitbeck Fraser School will stress coa■mity �
involvement.
The planner reviewed the staff report dated January 22, 1976 and staff recom- �
mendatiorms on the rezoning .from Rural *,o RN 6.5, replatting of L2, 58 Nestwinds
and review of the proposal per Ordinance 289 .vnd the State Law, �
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The planner stated that according to proposed state regulations Edell Prairie
is considered a 4th ^lass city ( under 10,000 population ) , which restricts
retarded to not more than 5% of the total city population. A 3rd class city
would be restricted to retarded less than 10% of the city population and not
Ciuber Llian 5i4 miie from any existing or proposed facility .
Sundstrom asked if the 12 person home with 2 house parents is experiwerital?
Dr. kowalcyzk responded it is experimental but based on studies of ment311y
retarded needs and the project in Victoria .
Bearman, referring to #5 on page '.0 of the staff report, inquired what type
of input the homeowners association would have. The planner stated the
HOA would not have voti;ig power but would insure dialogue and communication.
Lynch asked if any negative responses concerning crime, property devaluation,
etc. , had been received. The planner stated the city staff did not request
information and the information supplied was supplied by the Fraser staff.
Mr. John Sekulla, Preserve resident, stated contrary to similarities being
made between the Michigan home and the MHR site, the Michigan home is on 36 acres
and not near single fawily. Mr. Jordano disagreed saying the Michigan
home is on 6-10 acres.
W. John Davis . Preserve resident, inquired if any information had been received
regar3ing affects on property values . Sorensen - informed the audience that
letters have been received from Kenney Realty in Richfield and from the
Cities of Victoria and Coon Rapid3 stating no devaluation of property has
been found for homes located near group hones. Sorensen then read the
letter from the mayor of Victoria dated January 23, 1976.
Mr. Leroy Wenzel , Preserve resident, said he is impressed with the thorough-
ness of documentation and concern for human rights that the commission and
city are exhibiting.
Mr. Dave Anderson, Preserve resident , statea ,lost of The Preserve residents
are not opposed to the Fraser project but are against the extent of the proposal.
John Nelson, President of the Preserve HOA, suggested approval be given to
one home and if it is determined that the project is successful the other
2 homes could be built.
Judy Schuck, 7286 Topviek «_oad, stated she feels the proposal affects all
of Eden Prairie and diversity of housing as outlined and adopted by the City
in the Housing Task Force Report will make the City of Eden Prairie richer.
Don Hess, The Preserve, stated The Preserve reviewed the proposal indepth and
believe it will be a service to The Preserve and the City. He added that Fraser
School graduates should have 41 priority in placement.
Rosemary Dysinger, Human Rights Commission Chairwoman, felt many citizens
within the City will work to make the program a success.
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D-on Mekeiand asked if there existed an alternate site in The Preserve to
locate the homes . Sor.ansen responded that the City does not suggest sites
but reacts to applications made to the City.
Motion 1
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School Incorporated/MHR The motion carried unanimously.
Motion 2
Lynch moved, Sundstrom seco-.3ed, to recommend approval of the MHR proposal for
rezoning from Rural to RM 6 S based upon a PUD situation and the site plan
submitted in the MHR brochure. the motion carried unanimously_ .
Motion 3
Lynch moved, Bearman seconded, to recommend approval of the replat of Lot 8
Block 2 Westwinds to provide a . 8 acre triangle , a .43 acre outlot for
pathway purposes, and a 2. 34 acre development parcel . The motion carried
unanimously.
Motion 4
Bearman moved, Sundstrom seconded, recommend approval of the MHR proposed
by Fraser School and Robert Mason in concept because of the specialized, pro-
gram . experience of the Fraser School and NHR program, and unique site `
features and location which allow clustering of 3 units on 1 site in The Preserve
fused upon the following;
1. that the MHR concert request a variancc, of Subd. 5, item F of Ordinance
289 by allowing 3 structures within 500 feet of each other.
2. that no further group cr family care homes should be permitted in
The Preserve Sector ( 11 untilone of the following would occur;
is a. that the total housing units in The Preserve Sector reach 1 ,000 •
b. that family or group care homes be developed in at least six other
city sectors.
c. and that in no case may the family care home ratio exceed that
permitted in Ordinance 289 or State Regulations governing community
based residential services for the retarded or handicapped whichever
more restrictive.
3. that the MHR proposal be developed in detail by Fraser School staff and
meet all requirements of Subd. 5 of Ordinance 289. The City staff shall
prepare an evaluation of the MHR submission in co^formance with
Ordinance 289. This report will be submitted to the City Council for its
review and approval with a copy to the President of the Preserve HOA.
4. that the City Council direct the Human Rights Commissioin to study and
recommend the structure and composition of the Corwanity Based Services
Board as required by Ordinance 289 .
S. that the MHR director of Residential Programs meet frequently with
representatives of the Preserve HOA to discuss and explain the program
development, discuss selection of house parents for the 3 homes and work-
out questions as they may arise.
b' and recommend to the C2.ty Council that the legality of *2 be investigated
and, if neces;,ary,criteria be developed so as to protect the integrity o f
she Preserve and Ordinance 289.
The motion carried unanimously.
Motion 5
Fosnocht moved, Bearman seconded, to recommmend that the City Council set a
public hearing at their earliest convenience. The motion carried unanimously. _
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B. Purgatory Creek Study.
Lynch inquired why more landowner reaction has not been received. The Planner
replied that a large number attFndpa the firc♦ rru^ n� 1 • -
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more input would be received at the Council public hearing after notices are
again published.
Sorensen felt the Creek Study was a very complex document to adopt and suggested
it be used as a guideline during a trial basis .
motion
Lynch moved, Fosnocht seconded, to recommend that the Purgatory reek Study
be adopted in concept as a policy guide. The motion carried 4 :0:2 with
Bearman and Sundzitrom abstaining.
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The Commission then suggested the Council develop proirities and investigate
avenues of implementing the creek study.
C. Condon/Naegele Realty PUD request for PUD concept plan approval for
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Service Commercial . The PUD is located north of I-494 in the Major
Center Area and south of Smetana Lake and Nine Mile Creek.
Pauly asked if there is any alternative to extensively grading the auto dealership
sites. Brauer replied that the grading is dictated by the ramp and road plans .
He added that if concept approval is granted they would be returning with more
detailed plans.
Sorensen expressed the following concerns; the treatment of the floodplain is
unacceptable, the use of the undulated land as car dealerships requires too
extensive of grading, car lots in the MCA can be located elsewhere than this
site, the 2 acre sites on the eastern end of the pud are insensitive to the
landforms, and based on the Guide Plan , staff report and Purgatory Creek Study
the only action he would support would be concept approval of the Commercial
Highway site.
Lynch agreed with the concerns expressed by Sorensen.
Pauly agreed with the proposed use at the western end of the site but not the
auto dealership uses.
Motion:
Lynch moved, Pauly seconded for discussion purposes , to recommend to the
City Council denial of the PUD and rezoning request for Regional Service Commer-
..cia.l by Condon/Naegele Realty because the treatment of the floodplain is
unacceptable, the use of the undulated 'Land as car dealership sites requires
too extensive of grading, car lots in the MCA can be located elsewhere than
this site, and the eastern proposal of 2 acre lots is insensitive to the landforms.
Discussion: Amendment :
Sorensen moved, Pauly seconded, to amend the motion to approve in concept the
Commercial Highway at the westerly end of the PUD as presented in the revised
sur�ission dated December, 1975. The amendment carried 4 :2 with Lynch and
Fosnocht voting nay.
Vote On Motion: The notion carried 5 : 1 with Fosnocht voting nay.
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approved
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D. Com rehensive Guide Plan L:pdate, distribution of questionnaire from
Brauer and Associates and explanation of Forum 1 to be held on Feb. S .
Brauer stated the first forum would be an interact;nn with aft ru: .ae Plan�. .v _M
participants to discuss planning tools and set priorities . He estimated the
forum would last about 3-4 hours and involve approximately 60 people.
E. Edenvale Ilth Addition,by Edenvale Incorporated. request for rezoning
to R1-13. 5 with lots size variances & preliminary plat approval for
approximately 22 lots on 6 acre. The site is located north of the
intersection of Woodhi ll Trail and Edenvale Boulevard.
The planner referred the Commission to the staff report by Chris EnPer.
Pauly asked why the previously approved project was not pursvied.
The planner responded that Suncrest Homes Incorporated left she project
and now Edenvale Incorporated is interested in doing something with the land
that is already graded.
Sorensen stated he supports lower cost housing but has difficulty with the
lot sizes and the house/garage, house/garage appearance.
Don Peterson said he is willing to make some changes as suggested in the
staff report.
Lynch felt the garage sacrifice would be acceptable temporarily.
Motion:
Lynch moved, Fosnocht seconded, to continue the public hearing to the Feb. 9 th
meeting. The motion carried unanimously.
- - - Pauly excused herself - -
PETITIONS AND RE UESTS.
A. Area H of The "Preserve Commercial Plan, presentation by The Preserve of
plans for their site in the southwest quadrant of U.S. 169 and Schooner Blvd.
Mr. Don Hcss presented the proposal for 5 auto dealership sites and discussed
the ideas of storage and building arrangement that the auto representatives
halre such as; the necessity of freeway visibility and inioor shooping, and
disagreement With the plaza coi&cept.
Sorensen asked if market studies illustrate freeway exposure is necessary for
impluse buying. Hess replied that constant exposure produces preconditioning
which brings people back when they are reddy to buy.
Discussion followed relative to meetings with auto representatives to discuss
concerns and the plaza concept. Sorensen felt such a meeting should be a
_ public one and that concepts, not the specific project, should be discussed.
Lynch chaired the remainder of the meeting , Sorensen
asked to be- excused because of a health problem.
Lynch believed the plaza concept is the best wid should be pursued.
Notion:
Beaman moved, Sundstrou seconded, to continue the item to the Feb. 9th
meeting. The notion carried unanimously.
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R. Homart Development Company, Twin City Federal and Suburban National Bank,
program modification to allow limited exterior signs on Men Prairie Center.
Not covered at the request of the proponents.
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Y C. Gravel Miring Permit Request for Swendscen Property.
M r. Sunde informed the Commission that the previous mining permit expired
and Johnson Brothers desire to gain P. new permit. He then showed the Existing
end proposed grading. He stated the watershed is reviewing the permit and
that Mr. Swendseen plans to ultimately market the property as industrial .
Bearman asked if the garbage has been cleaned off the property. Olson said yes.
Beamman then inquired if the proposed land use plan conforms to the Co. Rd. 18/
169 interchange shown in the Smetana Lake Plan_. The planner responded it
does not conform to the Smetana Lake Plan and he would recommend approval of
the permit but not the land uses proposed.
Motion 1
Fosnocht moved, Sundstrom seconded, to recommend approval of the grading permit
by Johnson Brothers Incorporated for tine Swendseen property based on the
Gravel Mining Permit Report dated Deceuber, 1975. The motion carried unanimously.
Motion 2:
Fosnocht moved, Lynch seconded to refer the proposed land uses for the Swendseen
property to the staff for a report for the Council and Planning Commission.
The aotion carried 3: 1 with Dearman voting nay because of his objections to
the Smetana Lake Plan.
PLAWER'S REPORT
A. Com mit ► Development Block Grants for 1976, discussion of projects that
m iht be of con naity bens it and eligible for fundmg.
The planner listed the following suggestions todate; bikeways, Edenvale
playgrmmcl.. Round Lake Park road access to Bryant Lake Park,
nelghborhood playgrounds, Prairie View School Park development and Redrock
School park development.
Lynch and Beaman felt the Co. RU . 4 hikeway/bike.way trail would be a good
use of the funds.
B. Planning Commission Bylsws. Not covered due to the late hour.
ADJOl1RN"M.
strum moved, Dearman seconded, to adjourn at 1 .-00 AN. The notion. carried.
Respectfully Submitted
Jean Johnson