Planning Commission - 01/12/1976 AGENDA
Eder. Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, January 12, 1976
7: 30 PM City hall
Irvcration --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
I . ) 976 PLANNING C-3MMISSION APPOINTMENT'S
A. Reappointment of Mr. Richard Lynci. for a three ( 3 ) year term.
B. Appoint:�ent of Mr. William Bearman for a 3 year term.
C. Appointment of Mr. Food Sunstrom for a two year term.
D. Council Representative Sidney Pauly.
II . MINUTES OF THE PLAY ING COMMISSION MEETING CF DECEMBER S. 1975 .
1II . MEMBERS REPORTS .
11. Chairman Don Sorensen.
B. Council Representative Sidney Pauly.
C. Others .
IV. ELFCTION OF PLANNING COMMISSION OFFICERS.
A. Chairperson.
S . Vice-chairperson.
C. Secretary.
V. REPCi\iS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. Purgatory Creek Study, by Brauer £ Associates .
B. Condon/Naegele Realty Company PUD, request for PUD Concept Plan approval
for approximately 165 acres and rezoning of 4 sites within the PUD to
Regional Service Commercial. The PUD is located north of I-494 in the
Ma4cr Center Area and south of Smetana Lake and Nine Mile Creek.
Skelly Oil Company Rezoning, request for rezoning from I-2 Park to
Highway Commercial for auto service station remodeling and proposed
restaurant. The site is located between Wallace Road and School Road,
15251 West. 78th Street .
D. Maple Leaf Acres, by Loren Irvine, request for preliminary plat approval
and rezoning from Rural to RM 6. 5 for lots 1-7 in Block 1 , and all lots
in Blocks 2 and 3 to R1-13. 5. The site is located east of i'.H. 101 and
south of Duck Lake Trail. A continued public hearing.
E. Eden Prairie Family Recreational Center, proposed commercial/rec=eational
development by Eden Development Incorporated. The center is located
on the northeast corner of she Mitchell Road and T.H. 5 intersection.
Review of site development plan.
VI . PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
PUBLIC HEARINGS.
A. Robert H. Mason & Fraser School Inc. , request for rezoning from Rural
to RM 6.5 ( Multiple Family ) . The 4 acre site is located in the northeast
corner of the intersection of the East/West Parkway and Preserve Boulevard.
B. Edenvale llt} Addition, by Edenvale Incorporated, request for re vining
from PUD to R1-13. 5 with lot size rariances and preliminary plat approval
for approximately 22 lots cn 6 acres . The site is located north of the
intersection of Woodhill Trail and Edenvale Boulevard.
Agenda-Planning Commission jan . 12, 1976
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VII . PLANNER' S REPORT.
Y. A. Community Development Block Grant for 1976, discussion of citizen
participation , project selection and time schedule .
B. 197E Comprehensive Guide Flan Update, discussion of progre^s on
contract with Brauer & Associates .
C. F.A.U. Road System for 1976, report on progress in classification
of Ring Rcad and other City streets .
D. Projects anticipated in 1976 .
VIT�I . ADJGURNMENT.
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EDE14 PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSTOI+
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Monday , January 12, 1976 7 : 30 FM, City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman lion Sorg nsen, Norma Schee , Richard Lynch. , Rod
Sundstrom. Wi 1 1 i am RG:rxn�., c`,Ancy ��.., •.
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MEMBERS ABSENT: none
STAFF PRESENT: Dick Putnam, Jean Johnson
1 . 1976 PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.
Chairman Sorensen announced the following appointments and welcomed the
members to the Commission;
A. Reappointment of Mr. Richard Lynch for a 3 year term.
B . Appointment of Mr. William Bearman for a 3 year term.
C. Appointment of Mr. Rcd Sundstrom for a 2 year term.
D. Appointment of council representative Sidney Pauly.
II . MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF DECEMBER 89 1975 .
P. 2, 12th P, should read-Fosnocht questioned how The staff could object
to the site grading when the City plans a 40' cut for the roadway .
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to approve the minutes as written and corrected.
71-e motion carried 4: 0: 3 with Bearman, Sundstrom 6 Pauly abstaining.
III . MEMBERS REPORTS.
A. Chairman Don Sorensen.
1 . Sorensen stated the question of council liaison would be discussed at
the Courcifs January 13th meeting. He said it was the opinion of
the Planning Commission previously that liaison members are important
fcr the Commission for insigrit that cannot be obtaned from merely
reading minutes .
Pauly suggested that perhaps the joint meetings which will be scheduled
could repla,:e the liaison.
Motion:
Schee moved, Lynch seconded to recommend that the City Co,incil continue
with the Planning Commission liaison as in the past .
Discussi,-n :
Bearman questioned if liaison for the Planning Commission would eliminate
joint meetings. Sorens--n responded negative and outlined liaison procedures
as per city ordinaaces .
Vote : The motion carried with 4 ayes ( Sorensen, Lynch, Schee , Fosnocht ),
and 3 abstains ( Pauly, Bearman, Sundstrom ) .
2. Sorensen stated Mayor Perzel and he briefly discussed the setting of a
joint meeting. Sorensen felt such meetings should be scheduled in
about 1 month to allow new member appointments to absorb some of the
background material.
P. Council Representative Pauly .
Mrs . Pauly referred the commission to the bonded indep-t edness memo by
John Frane. Mr. Sorensen read the memo dated 12-1-75.
It is doubtful that the City can finance "lateral " type improvements
(streets , utilities , etc. ) for developers and retain its present bond
rating without securing guarantees for the payment of the resulting
special assessments.
a�-- roved
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The .:(�rst s i twi t i en presents ; tse► f if grc.rth during the 1 st !.,II f
Of the 19/0 ' s is at "fie sage rate as the first half i:iid r in!IA
to „� aS ;:e nave i n the past. Th-, City coJi d ? ;se i is ` i ��g i n
1976. ' cr Capita Hebt, using the „,i census
A stagy le situation presents itself if gre.-nth Puri ng the last half of
the 70 ' s is sufficient to increase -jr population to approximately
19,000; our d.�bt should remain %-J ;Lh n acceptable limits if pay,,:ont
guarantees are obtained. -','
C. Others . none
IV. ETJECTION OF PLAPyNING COMtfISSZON OFFICERS .
A. Chairperson.
Chairman Scrensen passed the chair to Jean Johnson to conduct the nomina-
tion for commissien officers .
Jean Johnson requested nominat .ons for chairperson of the Plarnino
Commission . Fosnocht asked :fir. Sorensen if he would again accent the
position of chairman . Sorensen said he would be willing but felt other
members should assume the position if they desire .
Fosnocht nominated Mr. Sorensen.
Motion : Fosnocht moved Sundstrom seconded, to close the nominations for
chairman and cast an unanimous ballot for Mr. Sorensen. The motion carried
6: 0: 1 with Bearman abstaining.
B. Vice Chairperson.
Fosnocht nominated Richard Lynch.
Lynch nominated Mrs . Schee, Schee declined the nomination .
Motion: Schee moved, Sundst:�m seconded, to close the nomin-Ations for
vice chairperson and cast an unanimous ballot for Mr. Lynch. The motion
carried 6: 0: 1 with Bearman abstaining.
C. Secretary.
Sorensen explained the secreta-ry to the commnission does not take minutes
but is second in line to chair the meetings and signs documents.
Schee nominated Mr. Fosnocht.
Motion: Lynch moved, Schee seconded, to close the nominations for Secretary
and cast an unanimous bai-ot for Mr. Fusnocnt. Tne motion carried 6 -0 :1 ldiO
Bearman abstaining.
V. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. Purgatory Creek Study.
Tie planner reported the Parks , Recreation and Natural Resources Commission
took action at their last meeting and the Council public hearing is expected
in February or March.
Don Mess , The Preserve, had the following comments on the Creek Study;
-the study is not clear on the floodplain delineation.
-the report defines private development restrictions but not
the public's.
-the amount of encroachment is recommended as 0% , the Nine Mile
Watershed District will allc x up to 20%.
:approved
Punning Commission Minutes -3- .'an. 12, 1976
-guidelines should be outlined so developers have a handle
on how they can develop -their land.
-acreage/running mile to be dedicated is not equitable due to
topography.
Don Brauer responded as follows to some of Ix. Hess's concerns.
-the acreage dedicat?on per r_; ,ning mile is a recommendation
and will require balancing as more land is needed in some areas .
-it is believed that the public will be as concerned as the private
develcpers. Public restrictions and guidelines could be in the form
of an amendment to the study.
-encroachment will be judged on the area needed.
Mr. Hess stated The Preserve is sympathetic with the objectives of the study
but desire clarification of the guidelines .
Mr. Mike Pohlen did not believe the green areas on the Study maps match
from page to page, i.e. , pages 29-35. Brauer agreed some oversights occur
in tree mass but a full scale map is also available.
Mr. Hess believed an error also occurred on page 41 .
Mr. 7rv-;re read from page 20 of the Study;
"Management: The marsh possesses the elements necessary for creating
a wildlife flowage by increasing water levels. By establishing a
progran of water level stabilization and storage , flows downstream
car: be ma_r:tained throughout the season. The structures installed
for reg;:lation can also serve to control the movement o_` rough fish."
He ehsn gLestionFd how the study_ proposes to keep the water flowing?
Brauer felt if the idea of wild -e management is foiloked than more water
could Le stored IM reserves .
Being nc Irk -irt7i,er input or questions, Sorens,-n directed the staff to place
the itetr, on the Commission's January 26th agenda .
R . Condon, Naegele Realty Company PUD, request for PUD Concept Plan approval
:or approximately 165 acres and rezoning of 4 sites within the FUD to
Regional Service Commercial . The PUD is located north of 1-494 in the
Major Center Area and south of Smetana Lake a:.d ?sine Mile Creek.
The planner reviewed the background information todate , and felt the revised
plan clearly illustrates the proponents position on the issues . He believed
t..he criF ;sal staff report outlined the concern that the rezoning request is
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let,--ra resources Commission is concerned with impact upon the creek
reso.:rre a:d with the absenc6 of the study it is hard to determ;.ne how
soh dec iCativn is needed.
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -4- Jan. 22, 1976
Sorensen questioned if the road is placed between the development and the open
space area would it produce larger lots, and if so what would happen with
the wooded area. The planner believed such a road location would be difficult
anc' felt another alternative would be to place the road along the floodplain.
Brauer said they are illustrating the worst condition that would happen and
it is possible that someone might buy 30-40 acres and only a private drive
would be necessary.
Sorensen suggested higher standards be set so the worst will not occur.
Bearman inquired as to the future traffic projections off Washington Avenue.
Braut-r reported the projection is 5,700 for a 24 hourperiod for the
4 auto dealerships and the road at the east end of the property would
have approximately 2/3 of she 5,700 voltzre .
Lynch asked what would happen if the Ring Road is not constructed . Brauer
j statcd the access would be graded to accommodate the future Ring Road.
Paul inquired why the auto dealership is proposed on a site that re uires
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substantial cut and fill. Brauer responded that this site, like the Grossman
proposal,has good freeway access and is located in the MCA both being
high priorities in the location of auto dealerships .
Sorensen asked if the staff is still suggesting a plaza concept for the
auto dealership. The planner felt the plaza concept is something to strive
for. Brauer believed the CNR plan has a plaza affect as the dealerships
are located on a private street.
Motion: 1
Bearnman moved, Sundstrom seconded, to continue the item to the January 26th
meeting The motion carried unanimously.
Motion: 2
Bearnan moved, Schee seconded, to recommend the City Council set a public
hearing on the Condon/Naegele request for the Feb. 3rd meeting. The motion
carried unanimously.
C. Skelly Oil Company Rezoning, request .for rezoning from I-2 Park to Highway
Commercial for auto service station remodeling are proposed restaurant.
The site is located between Wallace Road and School Road . 15251 W. 78th St .
The planner stated the staff is recommending rezoning to Highway Commercial,
variance of the 5 acre minimwn zoning area, and conformance to all other
city ordinances end requirements.
Mr. Deiniger, Skelly Oil Co. , said he is in agreement with the landscaping
required and will cooperate as it has mutual benefit, but they do have
cost restrictions and asked if it is possible to phase the landscaping _
over a 2-3 year period. The planner believed ' the landscaping could be
phased.
Pauly expressed concern about other h&ghway commercial uses on the site if
the zoning to Highway Comnerc: 21 is granted.
.approved
Planning Commission Minutes -5- Jan. 12, 1976
Fosnocht felt traffic problems may arise if the restaurant is built.
The planner stated the restaurant if built would be shall and he felt
the site plan could accommodate the traffic.
Motion:
Schee moved, Pauly seconded, to recommend approval of the rezoning from
I-2 Park to Commercial Highway for remodeling the existing Skelly Oil
Station pond a future restaurant and vary the minimum zc in.g area
reo uirement of Ordinance 135, but require upgrading of the site to meet
other requirements and city ordinances and all recommendations set forth
in the January 6, 1976 staff report.
Discussion:
Bearman asked if the station would sell diesel fuel and if it would be
similar to a truck stop. Deiniger responded that they would be selling
diesel fuel but the site is of insufficient size to be a truck stop.
Sorensen expressed the concern that to zone the site to Commercial Highway
given Ordinance 135 a vast number of uses would be possible and could be
detrimental from a traffic standpoint . He felt City policy has been to
remove such uses from heavily traveled roads .
The planner asked if Mr. Brauer could respond to the site 's zoning of
I-2 Park. Mr. Brauer stated in 1968 the highway department said T.H. 5
would be a limited access freeway, so an attempt to preserve rights of property
was made and some pieces were placed in Planned Study& others in Industrial
because access to the highway was unknown at that time . He said the Skelly
property wa-z placed in I-2 Park because of its size and location to other
iindustrial uses .
Sorensen expressed concern that T.N. 5 has numerous uses and proposed- uses
that will generate traffic. i .e . , Prairie Lawn 6 Garden, Recreational Center,
shopping center at Co. Rd. 4 and T.H. 5, etc. , and questioned how many more
uses the road can handle.
Pauly felt although there are traffic and zoning concerns the proposed use
is reasonable.
Fosnocht staid he shares the concern with the need to upgrade the station
but the unresolved traffic problems and related hazards may out-weigh the
need.
The planner explained that presently the site: has 4 access points and the
redesign would reduce: it to one ' in-out' and one 'in' access and a signal
would be forth comming for Wallace and T.H. 5 .
Amendment: Sorensen moved, Bearman seconded, to amend the motion and delete
V and a future restaurant' . The amendment fa;-1 cd wl t'h 3 ayes ( Sorensen
_ Dearman, Fosnocht), 3 .nays ( Schee, Lynch, Pauly), and 1 abstain ( Sundstrom) .
Vote on Motion: The motion failed 3: 3 : 1 with 3 ayes ( Schee , Lynch, Pauly ),
3 nays Sorensen, Fosnocht , Bearman ) and 2 abstain ( Sundstrom ) .
Lotion 2: Lynch moved, Pauly seconded, to recommend to the City Council not to
require rezoning from the existing zoning of :-2 Park and allow remodeling
of the existing station and construction of a future restaurant with the
recomme..: 3tions a-e on pages 6 E 7 of the van. 6th , 1976 staff report.
The motion failed 2: 3: 2 with 2 ayes ( Lynch, Pauly ) , 3 nays-( Sorensen,
Schee, Fosnocht ), and 2 abstains ( Bearman 6 Sundstrom ) .
Motion: 3 Lynch moved, Schee seconded to recommend the City Council. set a
public hearing for the Skelly Rezoning for Feb. 30 1976. The motion carried
unanimously .
-approved
Planning Commission Minutes -6- Jan. 12, 1976
D. Maple Leaf Acres, by Loren_ Irvine, request for preliminary plat
approval and rezoning from Rural to P.M 6. 5 for lots 1-7 in Block 1 ,
and all lots in Blocks 2 and 3 to R1-13. 5 The site is located east
of T.H. 101 and south of Duck Lake Trail. A continued public hearing .
The planner refer:ad the Commission to the watershed letter received
today - dated 1-7-76. He informed the Co►nmirsion that tcdate the Parks,
Recreation and Natural Resources Commission has made no recommendations.
Mr. Irvine outlined the basic differences in the original submission
and the revised plan_;
1 . no commercial zoning request.
2. 75-100 foot change at the Duck Lake Trail and T.H. 101
intersection.
3 . realignment of the roads Zrossing the floodplain except
for Tartan Curve.
Vx. Irvine said it was his interpretation of. the Floodplain Ordinance
that backyards are permissable within, the floodplain. He stated that
all lots are over the R1-13.5 lot size. In relation trailways, he stated
a hikewaylbikeway trail could be constructed along Duck Lake Tr.3i1 and
a 50 foot easement would be granted along the creek.
Sorensen questioned the alignment of Tartan Cur-ve With the connection to
the south. Irvine estimated tho difference in alignment was not more
than 10-15 feet.
Pauly inquired if further land would need to be purchased to complete the
Width of the road as shown on the plat. Irvine stated that t.-e easement
is already existing.
Pauly had the following comments regarding the staff's concerns listed
in the November 4th staff report;
-the plan is inconsistent with the Purgatory Creek Study.
!ors . Pauly questioned the basis of the staternPnt since the plan is
unadopted.
-adverse affects on adjacent properties .
Mrs. Pauly asked what besides the previously proposed commercial
v-*quest would be considered as an 'adverse 4ffrct .
The planner responded the staff report was based on the original plan
:and the adverse affects were in regards to the commercial
zoning. Now the only consideration would be if the multiple is
considered inappropriate next to single family.
-no pedestrian/bike system proposed.
Fa s. Pauly stated the revised platy includes a system and asked who,
will pay for the system?
Irvine said payment could be worked out but he would not be willing
to construct a path that would start nowhere and go nowhere.
approved
Planning Ccrr: ssion Xir es -7- Jan. 22, 1976
The planned stated another concern is that no access : r - ovided to t.c
land west of Block 3.
Pauly suggested something be Worked-out w::th the Scrnggens property
and the staff's concerns relative to lots 21, 22 , ai,d 1 .2, 3.
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In regards to his proposal it is not possible to reapply with a similar
plan in 1 year. Pauly added that that con.:! L!,.-.. can be waived.
Mr. Irvine stated Mr. Scroggen has an existing access over the creek.
He added that the residents to the north of Duck Lake Trail along the
creek have kept their backyards neatly mowed down to the creek and he
?relieves new residents in the plat will take similar care of their
backyards .
The planner felt tl present condition of the creek sides now, i .e. ,
dog houses , fences, extensive moving , etc . , are contrary to the intent
of the proposed Purgatory Creek Study and a more natural condition is
envisioned.
Sorensen asked Mr. Irvine if he desired to worked further details out
and return to the Commission. Mr. Irvine stated that if lots 1,2,3 ,
21, & 22 are not possible the road and project would be uneconomical ,
and the road realignment further north would not be feasible because of
the existing sewer lines.
Sorensen asked if lots 2 and 3 could be combined. Irvine responded yes.
Fosnocht believed a revised staff report should be submitted.
The planner summarized the differences as; the plan is inconsistent with
the Purgatory Creek Study , advisability of multiple along T.H. 101, and
the Scroggen creek crossing . The planner felt the staff report is
applicable to tee revised plan.
Motion 1:
Bearman moved, Schee seconded, to recommend denial of the Maple Leaf Acres
rezoning and preliminary plat request as it is inconsistent with the
Purgatory Creek Study. The motion failed with 3 ayes ( Schee. Bearman) ,
Sorensen), 3 nays ( Lynch, Pauly, Fosnocht ) and 1 abstain ( Sunds:rom).
Motion 2:
Lynch rived, Pauly seconded, to recommend approval of the revised plat and
rezoning to IRI-13.5 and RM 6.5 as requested on the revised .plat dated
12-15-75. The nation failed with 3 ayes ( Pauly, Lynch, Fosnocht ) , 3
nays ( Bearman , Sorensen, Schee ) and 's .-.i,6 t.Qin ( Sundstroni).
Sorensen again asked Mr. Irvine if he preferred going to the Council
without a Planning Commission recommendation or if he would like to
return to the Commission with modificazic:.s a 1:V i:.c c:cs=rc3 going to the
Council with modifications. ;.
Notion 3: Fosnocht moved, Bear-man seconded, to recommend tt:a Council
set a public hearing on the Maple Leaf Acres request for Feb. 3, 1976.
7be motion carried unanimously.
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -8- Jan. 12, 1976
E. Eder. Prairie gamily Recreational Center, proposed commercial/recreational
development by Eden Development Incorporated. The center is located on
the northeast corner of the Mitchell Road and T.H. 5 intersection.
Review of -ite development plan.
Mr. Peterson reviewed me landscaping suggested in the start report and
stated they could accommodate all of the suggestions but believed completely
screening the building from T.H. 5 would be econnnically impossible.
He stated they will convey the property east of the parking lot to the
City but presently it c-n not be released from the mortgage. In addition
he said the Olson property will rece_•re access through the recreational
center's parking lot unless Mr. Olson is able to obtain access from T.H. 5.
Motion:
Fosnocht moved; Pauly sec:,nded, to recommend to the Council approval of
the site development plan submitted with the recommendations of the
summary in the January 6, 1376 staff report. The motion carried
3: 1 :2 with Sorensen voting nay and Bear--.pan and Sundstrom abstaining.
VT. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
PUBLIC HEARINGS.
A. Robert H. Hason & Fraser School Inc. , request for rezoning from Rural
to RM 6.5 . The 4 acre site is located in the northeast corner of
the - tntersection of the East/Kist Parkway and Preserve Boulevard.
Mr. Don Hess, The Preserve, stated The Preserve has a purchase option with
Mr. Mason and that it is proposed that approximately 1 acre will be
given to the homeowner's association for trail continuation purposes .
Dr. Kowalczyk read the program information provided in the brochure
under the headings; ' The Need 1 , The Plan' , and'F.ationale' .
Mr. Robbins, landscape archa-tect,reviewed the site information. He
believed the site plan responds very well to the physical site and the •
program proposed. He stated a trail connection would be made ( 5% grade
to the trail along the northeast side of the site.
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Mr. Jordano, Board Member of the Fraser School, stated the program attempts
to achieve a pjvu eeamm and a family atmosphere for young adults and adults
that are retarded. He stated that 12 or more in a home is more economical
and usually results in ,acquiring better house parents. He ?stimated the
house size at approximately 6,200 square feet with similar exteriorsp
wheelchair accommodations, and the parents would have separate living
and bedroom areas. He stated the houses will retain the future
possibility cf conversion to double units if desired. Mr. Jordano
felt the retarded should not be confined to the 'city core' and they
have a right to a suburb and family atmosphere.
Kr. . •John Nelson, President or" the Preserve HOA, informed the Commission
a. poll of The Preserve residents had been taken , -che results are as
follows; 50
for the proposal
8 indifferent
107 against
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Planning C:,mmiscion Minutes -9- Jan. 12, 197
Mr. Nelson believed a larger percentage of the people would be for the
school if it was not as large as the proposal. He suggested building
1 unit now and phasing tha remainder cf the project .
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Planning Conmi:.sion ''inutes -10- Jan. 12, 1976
Tor.: Bartels, E.P. Community ?yews , questionbd where the 3% figure is from.
The planner said in Ordinance 289 the number of comes "n a given sector of the
City is not to be more than 3% of the housing units in that sector .
Some Preserve residents felt it was due to the estimate that 3% of the
U.S. population is mentally retarded .
Fir. Fosnocht read from Ordinance 289 ;
"E. That the Family Care Hone Patio shall not exceed 3% of
the total dwelling units of the Neighborhood defined on
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the Neighborhood Sector Map where the proposed Family
Care Home is to be located."
Bartel inquired if the City Attorney had submitted his opinion on the new
State Law concerning such homes and how i.t affects the City ordinance .
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Mrs.Pauly responded the Human Rights Commission referred the question
to the City Attorney and no response has been received *_odate. �
Dr. Kowalcyzk stated the retarded are instructed at an early age on
right and wrong and have enough ability to be self-resronsible for their
actions .
Sorensen asked for the definition of mentally ill and mentally retarded.
Dr. Kowalcyzk stated a mentally ill individual is emotionally disturbed, #
has normal intelligence but reacts in socially unacceptable ways; and -the
mentally retarded are slow learners with an impaired adaptability .
'M r. Bearman asked how frequently someone mentally retarded becomes
mentally ill. Dr. Kowalcyzk said such information could be provided.
Mrs. Pauly inquired as to the distance the homes would be from other
Preserve buildings. Mr. Robbins stated the noire nearest to the Windslope r
property would be 70 feet with a 12 foot grade.
I-. White , a resident of The Preserve, stated he his heard the presen-
tation 3 times and he would like a guarantee that the residents of the
group homes would be Fraser School graduates . He added that he does
not share the concern of physical or sexual attacts fzcom the Fraser
residents, but the mentally retarded may need protection From outsiders.
Kelly Davis, a Preserve resident, felt the homes would have adverse
ramifications on The Preserve's unique atmosphere.
Mr. Bill Spaniolo, a. Preserve resident, believed the Fraser homes would
adversely affect his home investwent.
Ron Ping, a Pr eaerve resident, felt Ordinance 289 should be retained.
John Retrerath did not feel the advantag'ex of loeating in The Preserve
stated in the Fraser brochure are valid because most of the uses are unavailable
during most of the year.
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Planning Commission Minutes Jan. 12, 1976
Mr. Nelson listed the following questions he would like the Fraser School
representatives to answer,
1. what safeguards are provided to the Preserve tha:
mentally ill will not be included in the fur»ro
2. is it realistic that 1 couple can care for 12 mentally
retarded adalts, and
3. why are 12 persons/home wor1rab1c. when most feel 6 or
less is pore desirable.
Dave Anderson , a resident of The Preserve, asked if anyone under 21
would be admitted in the homes. Dr. Kowalcyzk said those under 21 will
be discouraged because it Is felt most parents can care for the mentally
retarded up to the age of 21.
John Eergan felt Ordinance 289 should not be changed because small group
homes are preferred.
Jordan stated the State Law allows up to 16 persons per house.
Wt ion:
Lynch ;coved, Bearman seconded, to continue the proposal to the next Planning
Commission meeting for a staff report on the proposal taking into account
the comments this evening. The motion carried 6:0:1 with Sorensen abstaining.
D. Edenvale 11th Audi_ tion, by Edenvale Incorporated, request for r=roning
from FUD to R1-13.5 with lot size variances and preliminary plat approval
for approximately 22 lots on 6 arms. The site is located north of
the intersection of Woodhill Trail and Edenvale Boulevard.
Mr. Peterson outlined the !site's location and the original a approval for
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32 bungalow units. He added that no further grading would be needed to
adapt the land to single family.
W. Zachman said .. e houses would `)e similar to Sumnerwoods and would
have a garage option. ':he future garages would be in the ,ear and the
3 types of homes to Ire built would be; split entry, split level, and ramblers.
Lynch asked how much the houses would sell for. Zachman respcnded
approximately $ 361,000.
Peterson stated no homecvner's association other than Edenvale's would
be necessary.
Sorensen asked how outside stcrage would be controlled. 7Arh%)jm .al d d-N-•-*•�•*T�r - -
are being drafted to control outside storage.
Notion:
WM caved, bearman aecorA*d, to continue the item to the January 26th
ontias for a staff "portz '!?:z ip.. �-Mriad :a fari10OUSly.
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Planning Commission Minutes -12- Jan. 12, 1976
-vIL. PLANNERS REPORT.
A. Community Development Block Gant for 1976, discussion of citizen
participation, project selection and time schedule .
The planner reported suggestions and input will be asked from
. citizens, commissions, boards, etc. j
B. 197E Comp;.pensive Guide Plan Update.
The planner reported meetings would be held prior tn- final contract
negotiations to determine where the City is heading.
C. F.A.U. Road System for 19"6 , report on progress in classification
of Ring Road and other City streets .
The planner reported an application for Ring Road funding has
been subibitted.
D. Pro3ects anticipated in 1976 . Due to late hour this item was not
covered.
JIII. ADJOURNMENT.
osnoc t moved, 8earman 2nd, to adjourn the meeting at 1:18 A?!. The
motion carried unanimously.
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Respectfully Submitted
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Jean Johnson
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