Planning Commission - 11/24/1975 AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, November 24, 1975
7:30 PM, City Hall
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairperson Don Sorensen, Richard Feerick, Richard Lynch,
Herb Fosnocht, Joan Meyers, Norma Schee, Roger Boerger
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam, Chris Enger, jean Johnson
I. MINUTES.
A. Minutes of the September 29, 1975 Planning Commission Meeting.
B. Minutes of the November 10, 1975 Planning Commission Meeting.
C. Minutes of the joint Council/Planning Commission meeting November 13, 1975.
II. MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Chairperson Don Sorensen.
B. Council Representative Meyers.
C. Others.
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. Condon/Naegele Realty Company PUD, Concept Plan and rezoning request for
` I-2 Park, Office, and Regional Service for 165. 7 acres. The site is located
north of I-494 in the Major Center Area and south of Smetana Lake and Nine
Mile Creek.
B. Maple Leaf Acres, by Loren Irvine request for preliminary plat approval and
rezoning from Rural to RM 6.5 for lots 1-9 Block 1 , Community Commercial
for lots 10-12 Block 1 , and the remaining lots in Block 1 and all lots in Blocks
2,3 and 4 to R1-13.5. The site is located east of TH 101 and south of Duck
Lake Trail. A continued public hearing.
C . Purgatory Creek Study, presentation by Marty jessen and Don Brauer.
IV. PLANNER'S REPORT.
A. Discussion of assumed City policies to be transmitted to the Council for
their reviewal.
B. Guide Plan Update.
V. ADJOURNMENT.
ADDENDUM
AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, November 24, 1975
7:30 PM City Hall
PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
Skelly Oil Rezoning , requesting rezoning from I-2 Park to Highway Commercial
for auto service station remodeling and future restaurant . The site is located
between Wallace Road and School Road, 15251 W. 78th Street.
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EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Approved
Monday, November 24, 1975 7:30 PM City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairperson Don Sorensen, Richard Lynch, Herb Fosnocht,
Dick Feerick, Joan Meyers
MEMBERS ABSENT: Norma Schee, Roger Boerger
STAFF PRESENT: Dick Putnam, jean M. Johnson
I. MINUTES
A. Minutes of the September 29, 1975 Planning Commission Meeting.
P. 1 , Minutes of the August 25th meeting should read- Schee moved, Meyers
seconded, and ` The insertion was acceptable to all members.
6th F, should read . . . what value do our recommendations have to. .
P. 6, B. , 3rd F, defered not detered
5th F, September not October
P. 8,5th F, should read-The commission was divided with 3 favoring alternative 1
and 3 favoring alternative 3. Alternative 3: The third alternative would be
to deny the application by Prairie Lawn and Garden for commercial zoning
as it is not consistent with the Comprehensive Guide Plan indicating a resi-
dential use at this site.
P.10, spelling of Fosnocht
Fosnocht moved, Meyers seconded, to approve the minutes as published and
corrected. The motion carried with 4 ayes and 1 abstain ( Lynch ).
B. Minutes of the November 10, 1975 Planning Commission Meeting.
Lynch moved, Fosnocht seconded, to approve the minutes as written .
The motion carried with 3 ayes and 2 abstains ( Feerick, Meyers ) .
C. Minutes of the joint Council/Planning Commission meeting November 13, 1975.
Lynch moved, Feerick seconded, to approve the minutes as written.
The motion carried with 4 ayes and 1 abstain ( Fosnocht ) .
II. MEMBERS REPORT.
A. Chairperson Don Sorensen. none
B. Council Representative Joan Meyers. none
C . Others- Feerick informed Mr. Brauer of the high regard the members at the
joint Council/,'Planning Commission had for Mr. Brauer.
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. Condon/Naegele Realty Company PUD, Concept Plan and rezoning request for
I-2 Park, Office, and Regional Service for 165.7 acres. The site is located north
of I-494 in the Major Center Area and south of Smetana Lake and Nine Mike Creek.
The planner explained that no staff report had been completed. He then reviewed
the proposed plan and request from Condon/Naegele. He explained the process
being requested is concept plan approval on the 165 acres and rezoning of PUB,
C-Regional Service, Office, and I-2 Park.
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Brauer stated that an attempt was made to condense 2 steps into 1 and if the City
is not willing to grant rezoningon all parcels and desires more detail, then
he would have to confer with the proponent.
Feerick expressed the concern that the development may have similar building
types stretched along I-494. Brauer responded agreements on building types
could be drawn within the limits of City ordinances . Sorensen believed the
normal pud procedure allows the City to realize the development's end product
and is not limited to standards within the Zoning Ordinance and the_ 1968
Comprehensive Guide Plan encourages extensive use of the PUD procedures.
Lynch asked where the water service would come from? Brauer replied water
would be from the west and east ends and gas from the east.
Sorensen asked.if the staff had received the letter of suit withdrawal from
Condon/Naegele . The planner responded negative.
The planner felt more detail is supplied in other pud submissions and if the site
is rezoned as requested he felt the cuts and fills would be 20-40 feet, the
vegetation would almost completely be eliminated, and the floodplain
encroachment - would be between 50 and 250 feet. He also felt the 9 acre
Rural piece should be dedicated or'pur-chased if it is intended to be open space.
Brauer said they - could draw more detailed plans, but believes such work is
unnecessary andimake believe:
Meyers questioned if the road extension all the way to Washington Avenue
places the entire pud in the MCA. The planner said he has conflicting statements
from Condon/Naegele as to whether they consider all of the property in the MCA. -
Brauer stated they recommended the road go through to Washington Avenue because
of the sanitary sewer and for traffic purposes .
Fosnocht asked if the proposed land use conforms to the Smetana Lake Plan?
The planner replied that not all of the uses conform to the plan.
Feerick asked the staff to develop all of the alternatives and to investigate the
effects of granting concept approval vs. rezoning in regards to the property's
salability.
Meyers asked the staff to comment on what would be reasonable alteration of
the sites within the pud.
Motion
M49yers moved, Fosncoht seconded, to continue the item to the December 8th
meeting and direct the staff to conclude the staff report. The motion carried
unanimously
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B. Maple Leaf Acres , by Loren Irvine, request for preliminary plat approval and
rezoning from Rural to Rm 6.5 for lots 1-6 Block 1 , Community Commercial
for lot 7 Block l,and the remaining lots in Block 1 and all lots in Blocks 2
and 3 to R1-13.5 . The site is located east of TH 101 and south of Duck
Lake Trail. A continued public hearing.
Mr. Irvine reviewed the following changes in his submission;
6 lots with depths of 130-150 ' along TH 101 not 9 lots , commercial on lot 7
in Block 1, and the remaining lots as single family.
He stated he has met with the watershed district representatives and
can fill up to 2 .4 acre feet.
Meyers asked if the watershed district had reviewed the revised plan.
Mr. Irvine responded the watershed district would be reviewing the plan at
their December 3rd meeting.
Feerick stated he would like to have the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources
Commission and the watershed district's recommendation before the Planning
Commission makes a recommendation.
Meyers expressed surprise that marginal land seems acceptable to the
• Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission for parkland.
Motion:
Feerick moved, Lynch seconded, to continue the public hearing until the
following Planning Commission meeting ( Dec. 8 ) pending reports from the
Nine Mile Watershed District and the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources
Commission. The motion carried unanimously.
C. Purgatory Creek-Study .
Mike Pohlen referred to a piece of property on page 35 of the Study that is
recommended for dedication. He opposed the dedication and felt the property
is very buildable. He asked that the commission notice the property next
time they drive by the area.
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Sorensen thanked Mr. Pohlen for expressing his concern and stated when the
City is reviewing a lengthy report it is difficult to be aware of every parcel's
situation so. .;comments and suggestions are appreciated.*
Meyers questioned if the floodplain in the Study or as depicted in the Flood-
plain Ordinance would be followed. The planner did not feel too many discrepancies
would arise, but one document's floodplain should be followed.
Sorensen referred the study to the staff and requested it be placed on the
next agenda.
Approved
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Addendum
Skelly Oil Rezoning , requesting rezoning from I-2 Park to Highway Commercial
for auto service station remodeling and future restaurant. The site is located
between Wallace Road and School Road, 15251 W. 78th Street
Mr. Don Heisterkamp, Skelly Oil, stated the egress and ingress has been
arranged and the restaurant is only a proposed use.
The planner stated the current zoning is considered I-2 Park and the staff
does not believe the station/restaurant use can be considered a minor commercial
use.
Sorensen strongly felt that a restaurant is not a minor commercial use in
anI-2 Park District under wording of the present Zoning Ordinance.
Meyers expressed concern about the possible traffic generation the proposed
use may have at the TH 5 and Wallace Road intersection.
Motion:
Feerick moved, Meyers seconded, to refer the request to the staff for a report.
The motion carried unanimously.
IV. PLANNER'S REPORT.
A. Discussion of assumed City policies to be transmitted to the Council for
their reviewal.
The planner asked how the commission would like the list of policies
developed. Sorensen suggested the staff research ordinances , the Guide
Plan, and Council action's for City policies. The planner then asked
if they should be listed by topic or means of adoption. Sorensen suggested
they be listed by topic with an explanation of how the policy was arrived
at, ie. , by ordinance, part of the Guide Plan, etc.
All the commission members believed such a list would be very useful,
B. Guide Plan Update.
The planner stated action on a consultant is expected soon.
V. ADJOURNMENT.
Fosnocht moved, Meyers seconded, to adjourn the meeting at 11:05 PM.
The motion carried.
Respectfully Submitted
Jean Johnson