Planning Commission - 10/08/1975 AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
* Wednesday, October 8, 1975
7:30 PM , City Hall
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
COMMISSION MEMBERS : Chairperson Don Sorensen, Joan Meyers, Norma Schee,
Roger Boerger, Richard Feerick, Richard Lynch, Herb
Fosnocht
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam, jean Egan, Chris Enger
7:30 I. MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 29, 1975 , PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
7:40 II. MEMBER's REPORTS.
A.Chairperson Don Sorensen.
B. Council Representative Meyers.
C.Fosnocht-Hennepin County Transportation System Study.
D. Other Members.
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
8:00 A.Discussion of PUD-Present & Future, by Wallace Hustad.
81P B.Recommendation to City Council for Selection of Planning Consultant to
assist in the Comprehensive Guide- Plan Update.
8:50 C.Mitchell Lake PUD Revision and Rezoning, request7i for rezoning from Rural
to R1-13.5. The development is located east of Mitchell Lake and West of
Co. Rd. 4 on approximately 120 acres.
9:30 D.Eden Prairie Family Recreational Center, proposed by Eden Land Corporation
located at the T.H.5 and Mitchell Road intersection. Review of proposed
site plan for the 21 acre development.
IV. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
k0:00 A.Tangen/Carnes, a request for singly family rezoning from Rural to R1-22 for
7 lots. The site is located north of Willow Creek Addition and east of
Bryant Lake.
10:30 B.Condon/Naegele Realty Company, PUD Concept Plan and rezoning request
for I-2 Park, Office, and Regional Service for 165. 7 acres. The site is
located north of I-494 in the Major Center Area south of Smetana Lake,and
Nine Mile Creek.
11:30 V. PLANNER'S REPORT.
11:45 VI. ADJOURNMENT.
*The Planning Commission will meet at 6:00 PM
on Wednesday, October 8, 1975, at the City
Hall to discuss the interviews held on Sept.30th
regarding Guide Plan Update consultants.
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
approved
Wednesday, October 8, 1975 7.30 PM City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairperson Don Sorensen,Norma Schee Richard Lynch,
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Dick Feerick, Roger Boerger.
MEMBERS ABSENT: Joan Meyers, Herb Fosnocht
STAFF PRESENT: Dick Putnam, Jean Egan
I. MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 29, 1975 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
Having received the minutes for reviewal that evening, the Commission
decided to handle the minute's approval at the following meeting.
II.MEMBERS REPORTS.
Placed at end of agenda
III.REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A.Discussion of PUD- Present and Future by Wallace Hustad.
Mr. Hustad reviewed his previous stated feelings that a definite change in the
development process from the innovative change oriented ideas of the 60s to
a return to the basics. The major causes for the change he felt were
concern for security and fear of homeowner's associations.
Sorensen questioned if it is not important to look down the road instead of
reacting to the mood of the times. Hustad agreed, but added that the realities
of today must also be considered.
Sorensen asked what can be done today. Hustad believed smaller lots will
be necessary in order to achieve housing in the $ 30,000 bracket and the best
approach to development would be flexibility in order to adjust to the changing
market demands-
Feerick inquired about the future of homeowner associations. Hustad believed in
todays picture it is an arguous and expensive part of development that needs
revision.
Sorensen questioned how theCity would achieve parks, trails, etc. , if developments
are smaller in scale. Hustad was unsure, but felt Eden Prairie is very fortunate
because they already have alot of commitments.
The planner questioned if a City with commitments can change its image or position
without the risk of appearing unstable. Hustad felt it would be a potential problem
and certainly is part of the pud dilemma
Sorensen asked Hustad if he believed the City should limit development to sewered
areas. Hustad agreed for efficiency purposes,but added the difficulty is that people
have a tremendous desire to move further out.
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Mr. Don Teslow.suggested further exploration into public puds may be necessary
until private puds are again economically feasible.
Chairperson Don Sorensen thanked Mr. Hustad on behalf of the Planning Commission
for his time and participation.
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -2- October 8, 1975
REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
B. Recommendation to City Council for Selection of Planning Consultant to
Assist in the Comprehensive Guide Plan Update.
Sorensen reported the Guide Plan Review Committee had met that evening
at 6:30 PM and reviewed the 4 consultant firms presently being considered
for the Guide Plan Update
Motion:
Schee moved, Sorensen seconded, to recommend to the City Council the
Midwest Planning & Research Incorporated as the firm to be approached
to update the Eden Prairie Comprehensive Guide Plan and to incorporate
In the recommendation the ; September 30, 1975, Summary of Consultant Interviews
September 8, 1975 memo
October 8th minutes of the review meeting
September 16, 1975 Minutes of Selection Committee
Discussion:
Schee felt the Midwest Planning & Research firm had a high caliber of staff;
and emphasized community meetings, implementation, and follow through
in the update process. She did believe that the timeframe predicted of 12 years
would be too long and may need to be negotiated.
Feerick believed the qualifications of Midwest Planning & Research were
particularly applicable to Eden Prairie's situation.
Sorensen shared Schee's opinion of the firm and added that the firm . has
numerous resources outside of the firm itself, they appear to be on top
of legal trends, etc. , and they _have not recently been related with
private interests in the City.
Vote: The motion passed unanimously.
Boerger believed that if in the future the Council desires the Commission to
engage in selections or interviews the Council should develop criteria and
guidelines for more efficiency and understanding in the selection process.
Feerick agreed that knowing the Council's guidelines and possible concerns would
have been helpful during the selection process.
The planner asked if the Commission members desired submitting a ranking order
on the 4 firms. The Commission members were against ranking the firms as it
might detract from the Commission's selection of the the best firm.
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Planning Commission Minutes -3 October 8, 1975
Mitchell Lake PUD Revision and Rezoning, request for rezoning from Rural to
R1-13. 5 . The development is located east of Mitchell Lake and West of
Co. Rd. 4 on approximately 120 acres.
The planner reported the Parks, Recreation, and Natural Resources Commission
had not yet arrived at a recommendation concerning the project.
The planner then showed slides of the Pemton property , the proposed housing
sites , and the pro.perty the staff believes would enhance the City's park land
if purchased or dedicated.
Sorensen cited Meyers concerns'as; some arrangement of dedication and/or
purchase of the island to be park , and is access through the single family area
desirable•?,
Mr. Thompson, Pemton ,agreed that the island site is unique and felt City
purchase of it would not appreciate the pud but could reduce values depending
upon the type of use of the park and the access.
Boerger asked what type of activities are envisioned for the park. The planner
responded the staff and Parks, Recreation, and Natural Resources Commission
is investigating possible uses.
Feerick believed the access is an important element in determining if the land
should be park. or open space.
Sorensen bellwed from walking the site the area would have value as an area of
contemplation and it must be decided if it warrants spending City funds.
Chairperson Sorensen referred the project to the staff and Parks, Recreation,
and Natural Resources Commission for staff reports and recommendations;and
asked that the item be placed on the Commission's October 27th agenda.
D. Eden Prairie Family Recreational Center, proposed by Eden Land Corporation
located at the T.H. 5 and Mitchell Road intersection .,Review of proposed site
plan for the 21 acre development.
Sorensen reported the proponent's president Don Peterson_ has requested the item be
postponed.
IV. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
A. Tangen/Carnes , a request for single family rezoning from Rural to R1-22 for 2 lots
The site is located north of Willow Creek Addition and east of Bryant Lake.
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As the proponents are both friends and clients, Sorensen stated hewould
refrain from voting but would be participating in questions and discussion.
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -4- October 8, 1975
Walter Graff, attorney for the proponents , stated Tangen's property is already
zoned R1-22 and the request is to divide the property as shown on the plan.
Mr. Carnes expressed the desire to divide his property because he does not
require the full 10 acres he owns and friends have . shown interest in
buying if the property can be divided. Carnes stated all the lot sizes would
be approximately 1 .5 acres in size and the road would be dedicated to the City
at the time of final platting.
Mr. Tangen informed the Commission they have approval for the land division
from all the Willow Creek residents except two of the 'res'idents.
Schee inquired if City approval or resident consent as required under the Willow
Creek covenant comes first. Tangen replied they would be able to supply the
legal document at the time of final platting.
Graff added that rezoning of the property in Willow Creek does not require the .
consent of the residents.
Boerger stated theCity's policy of not rezoning land under 5 acres without sewer
and water would have to be evaluated in this request. Carnes said the Willow
Creek homes have drainage fields and the contours in the area are such-that
utility extension is highly expensive. He added that the residents are satisfied
. with their systems and he does not believe 2 more systems on 1,5 acres each
will change the situation.
Carnes said his property to the north is land locked and he does not feel their
platting request will open the area to development. Carnes stated he has had
conversations with the Community Service Director about the possibility of selling
his property as park and is unsure of the status of the purchase.
Feerick felt an engineering report is needed to address the problems of access
and services.
Lynch suggested the staff investigate the regulations concerning_ lake frontage
as 1 of the proposed lots has 25' frontage.
Motion:
Boerger moved, Schee seconded, to refer the request to the staff and Parks,
Recreation,and Natural Resources Commission for reports and recommendations.
The motion carried 4<K with Sorensen abstaining.
B. Condon/Na_egele Realty Company PUD, PUD Concept Plan and rezoning request
for I-2 Park, Office, and Regional Service for 165. 7 acres. The site is located
north of I-494 in the MCA, south of Smetana Lake, and Nine Mile Creek.
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Mr. Don Brauer,' Brauer & Associates, presented the Condon/Naegele PUD and
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through the use of slides he outlined the proposed land uses, zonings, open-
space area at the east end of the PUD, and sketches of the 4 proposed auto
dealerships within the PUD.
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Planning Commission Minutes -5- October 8, 1975
Brauer stated the pud does encroach on the floodplain 17% and they are working
with the watershed district for approvals. He informed the commission that a
number of trees and trees 50' on all sides of diseased trees have been recommended
for removal by a pathologist.
Lynch asked when the watershed review would be completed. Brauer believed
it would be completed by October 15th.
Sorensen cited Meyers written concerns as;floodplain encroachment , extensive
grading. and the connection shown between the Ring Route and Co. Rd. 1.8;
The planner noted that an Industrial zone is proposed in the MCA and questioned
its liability for special assessments. Brauer responded that they recommended
the Industrial Zone and they do not feel it falls within the MCA. The planner
asked HE Condon Naegele still is supporting the lawsuit relative to the MCA
assessment. Brauer replied the City would soon be receiving a letter whereby
Condon Naegele is withdrawing from the lawsuit.
Lynch inquired as to the height of the tower shown in the brochure. Brauer responded
the single identifying tower for the 4 auto dealerships will be between 40-45 feet
in height.
Sorensen asked if the proponent feels he has met the concerns of the Planning
Commission and staff regarding auto dealerships as discussed in relation to the
Grossman proposal. Brauer replied affirmative.
Sorensen asked how the large ravine at the Ring Road and 169 would be treated.
Brauer responded that the site is small, presently zoned 1-5 Industrial Park and
is proposed as Highway Commercial.
Motion:
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to refer the request to the Parks, Recreation, and
Natural Resources Commission and staff for reports and recommendations.
The motion carried unanimously.
II MEMBERS REPORTS.
A.Chairperson Don Sorensen- none.
B. Council Representative Meyers- Chairperson Sorensen reported on the following
written report by Meyers:
Council Approvals: 169 MINI Sector Study 5:0
Modern Tire & Energy Systems 5:0 +Rezoning Agreement
Prairie Lawn & Garden to I-2 Park, 5:0
Hustad PUD approved
W. Gordon Smith request 4:1
Olympic Hills Phase 3, 3:2 on PUD, 4:1 on rezoning
Amsden Hills 5:0 "-
Parkview 5:0 as recommended by Planning Commission
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Planning Commission Minutes -6- October 8, 1975
PLANNER' S REPORTS.
1 . The planner reported Edenvale has requested to delete the pathway behind the
Edenvale 6th Addition. The planner showed how he would recommend
the pathway be placed along the street. The Commission members agreed.
2. The planner reported the City is considering vacating the portion of 78th
Street near, • the Wye Station.
Motion: Schee moved, Boerger seconded, to recommend vacation of
W. 78th Street near the Wye Station. The motion carried
unanimously.
VLADTOURNMENT.
Boerger moved, Schee seconded, to adjourn at 11:15 PM. The motion carried.
Respectively Submitted
jean M. Egan
Planning Secretary
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