Planning Commission - 08/25/1975 AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, August 25, 1975
7:30 PM City Hall
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
7:30 I. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 11 , 1975 , PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
7:35 II. MEMBER'S REPORTS.
A. Chairperson Don Sorensen.
B. Council Representative Meyers.
C. Others.
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
7:50 A. Flying Cloud Airport Study, discussion of staff report. M.A.C, repre-
sentatives will be available to answer questions regarding the proposed
airport expansion.
8:30 B. 169/Mini-Sector Study, i_discussion of Brauer report and alternatives.
9:00 C. Hustad Development Company, request for an office, industrial, and
residential PUD on a 26 acre parcel located south of U. S. 169 ,
west of Creek Knoll Road, and north of Co. Rd. 1.
IV. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
9:30 A. Areas A, B, C, and D of The Preserve Commercial Plan, requesting PUD
Concept Plan and preliminary platting for commercial uses in the MCA.
A B. Eden Prairie Acres Replatting, request for preliminary plat approval of
5 lots located along Bennett Place and South of Co. Rd. 1.
9:40 V. PRESENTATION BY WALLACE HUSTAD of " PUD 1975 ", as discussed with
the Community Growth Council.
VI. PLANNER'S REPORT.
10:30 A. Planning Checklist- Mr. Fosnocht's Report.
B. Comprehensive Guide Plan Update, appointment of representative �s)
to the review committee.
C. PS Districts.
D. 1976 Draft Planning Budget.
VII. ADTOURNMENT.
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EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
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August 25, 1975 , Monday 7:30 PM City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairperson Don Sorensen, Norma Schee, Herb Fosnocht,
Joan Meyers, Dick Feerick.
MEMBERS ABSENT: Roger Boerger, Richard Lynch
STAFF PRESENT: Dick Putnam, jean M. Egan
I. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 11 , 1975 , PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
P. 2 ,2nd P should read - was completely untrue and against the . . .
6th P should read- could use the airport .
P. 3, 1st P , -add . . . ( timeframe unknown ).
5th p, should read - . . . he has been awaken by aircraft noise.
8th P, should read - . . . the City would conduct an airport . .
• P. 5,1st P, should read- . . . Phase II would be a supper club, .
Fosnocht moved, Meyers seconded, to approve the minutes as published and
corrected. The motion carried 4:0:1 with Schee abstaining.
II. MEMBERS REPORTS.
A. Chairperson Don Sorensen.
Sorensen informed the Commission of the side and front lot request
on the Board of Appeals and Adjustment's Thursday agenda. He stated
that since the item was not of major importance he would exercise the
discretion the Commission invested in him.Sorensen then reported that Mr. Hustad is out-of-
town and the scheduled
V. PUD PRESENTATION could be placed on the Commission's folbwing agenda
if desired. The Commission did desire to have the item placed on the
following agenda and directed the Planner to do so.
Sorensen also reported that the Eden Prairie Acres replatting request had been
withdrawn by the proponent Mr. Johnson.
B. Council Representative Meyers.
Handled at end of agenda.
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. Flying Cloud Airport Study, discussion of 'staff report. M.A.C. representatives
were present to answer questions regarding the proposed airport expansion.
The planner referred the Commission to the August 20th letter from Claude
Schmidt answering the concerns expressed by the Planning Commission at
previous meetings.
Fosnocht questioned the second means of control on page 1 of the letter and
said he would favor prohibiting aircraft that did not meet FAR 36 instead of
restricting them. Schmidt replied that they do intend to prohibit non-conforming
aircraft and the letter as written is not clearto that effect.
Sorensen asked if FAR 36 controls. the noise level of all aircraft. Schmidt
replied FAR 36 controls aircraft built after January 1, 1975.
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Feerick asked what type of jet presently uses Flying Cloud Airport. Schmidt
said a foreign built jet, a MU2.-, presently uses the airport and it would be
grandfathered-in under FAR 36.
Schmidt then handed out information on noise readings conducted at similiar
locations that Dr. Bofenkamp took readings.
Feerick asked how the MAC readings compared to Dr. Bofenkamp's.
Schmidt felt the hand held device used by Dr. Bofenkamp gave higher
readings and added that their :readings are on tape.
Feerick then asked .if MAC had a finalized improvement plan for the airport.
Schmidt responded they favor Alternate A, but do not have a final plan.
Mr. S imchuck, 9145 Flying Cloud Drive, asked if FAR 36 Regulations would
govern replacement engines in airplanes - using the airport. Schmidt
replied that an aircraft built prior to January 1, 1975, could use an older engine.
Sorensen .inquired what size of footprint the 180 aircraft has . Schmidt replied
the 180 has a smaller footprint than the Cessna 340.
Sorensen then asked how substantially aircraft noise diminishes over distance.
• Schmidt stated the rule of thumb is .if the distance is doubled the noise is
cut in half.
Jim Olson, 9523 Creekwood Dr. , questioned why the runways needed extension
if most traffic is touch and go traffic. .Schmidt replied the runway extension
is proposed for reasons of safety, i.e. it would allow more stopping time
if trouble is encountered on takeoffs.
Sally Brown, 10080 Bennett Place, asked how long of a life span an aircraft has.
Schmidt replied there is no estimated life span.
Fosnocht asked Mr. Schmidt if he felt MAC could legally implement an operational
plan based upon footprints as recommended in the staff report. Schmidt's
opinion was that MAG could not.
Sorensen suggested the City could investigate the option of regulating the
airport through the nuisance abatement' laws. Sorensen felt the FAR 36
Regulations did not adapt to Eden Prairie's particular problems and suggested
the City's legal staff investigate the pos.s.ibility of placing decibel standards
with the right to diminish the ratings in the future if needed. He further
suggested direction, time, and height of flights should be addressed in an
operational plan.
Schmidt suggested all night operations could be on the southern runway if
it is improved and lighted.
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Motion 1: Fosnocht moved, Schee seconded, to recommend to the Eden Prairie
City Council approval of the recommendations for .improvements to Flying
Cloud Airport presented to Planning Commission at 8-11-75 meeting labeled
Revised Alternate A with the following recommendations;_
1. Encourage MAC, FAA, and the State Aeronautics Board to
enlarge and continue joint planning for airport development
with affected communities. Suggest that greater emphasis
be placed upon local land use decisions and airport operational
planning for each airport and the total airport system level.
2. Recommend that the functional classification for Flying Cloud
Airport remain as a General Utility facility rather than being
upgraded to a Basic Transport airport. A change in the Metro
Development Guide will be required for this redesignation
of Flying Cloud Airport.
3. That MAC continue to upgrade with operational plans and
procedures for greater airport efficiency , ( noise abatement procedures
Including; noise level and pitch, should consider direction, time, and height of
flight-) . MAC and the FAA have been successful with
such procedures at Wold Chamberlain Airport dramatically
reducing airport noise in surrounding residential areas.
Operational standards for noise levels at the Flying Cloud
• facility shall not exceed FAR 36 Regulations.
4. The City work with landowners affected by the airport in
developing compatible land use alternatives which will
meet noise, safetyand economic considerations. Special
study during the Comprehensive Guide Plan Update would
provide an excellent opportunity to relate specific land use,
transportation, and environmental alternatives with those
of the total community.
5. TheCity should cooperate with MAC in providing assistance
to those residents which are currently adversely affected
by airport noise.
6. The City should continue to work closely with MAC and other
agencies to implement capital improvement systems needed by
the airport and community. Such facilities as;an improved Co.
Rd. 1/ 169 intersection, realignment of Co. Rd. 1 to the north,
joint emergency services, community recreation -use of airport
land , and utility extensions serving airport needs.
7 . These recommendations are conditional based upon City staff
developing in consultation with MAC the necessary legally.
enforceable controls to maintain noise levels around the airport
facility at the present level or lower,and shall be applicable
also to all aircraft not currently using the Flying Cloud facility.
Motion 1 carried unanimously.
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Motion 2: Feerick moved, Schee seconded, the Planning Commission
acknowledges the receipt of the August 25, 1975,letter from Claude Schmidt,
Director Environmental Affairs, MAC, and recommends the Council consider
the letter in their review of the Airport upgrading. The vote was unanimous.
B. 169/Mini-Sector Study, discussion of Brauer Report and alternatives.
The planner briefly outlined the Brauer staff report and informed the Commission
that Mr. Williams still desires an access through the present 60 ' wide easement
between Modern Tire and Energy Systems. He added that Williams also desires
having the industrial/commercial zone extended back another 180 feet.
Meyers felt the access through the 60' easement and along the buffer would
destroy the effectiveness of the buffer. Meyers asked what alternate access
is possible for Cleen Sweep. The planner felt 1 alternate would be to have
the site served by the cul-de-sac.
The Commission members then discussed roadway alternatives for the Study
Area and existing sites.
Mr. Simchuck,9145 Flying Cloud Drive, said he was opposed to the study
and questioned why a road has to go through his house just because Modern
Tire wants to expand. He suggested Modern Tire be granted a building permit.
Sorensen asked Simchuck if he felt the best use of his property would be
residential. Simchuck replied that he likes living where he is and it provides
good access for his business;(3 semi-trucks). The planner stated that the property
is presently zoned Rural.
Feerick felt the study approval should not include the southern roadways.
Motion 1•
Fosnocht moved, Feerick seconded, to refer the 169 Mini-Sector Study back to the
staff for consideration of other alternatives for streets and accesses to the
affected properties. The motion carried unanimously. The . Commission then
unanimously directed the staff to address the Garden King site.
Meyers questioned what recommended future use there could be for the Garden
King site. The planner stated .it is presently zoned Rural- , and he would ask
Brauer to address the problem.
Motion 2:
Meyers moved, Feerick seconded, to recommend the City Manager make an
exception to the established public hearing policy and place the Modern Tire
and Energy Systems requests for rezoning on the Council's August 26th
agendafor the setting of a public hearing date.
Discussion:
Simchuck again stated he did not favor any action that would affect his
property. Fosnocht replied that the Commission is recommending future
recommended land uses and not specific zoning for the Simchuck .property.
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Meyers felt the Commission should make more specific recommendations,i.e.
an alignment to Homeward- Hills Road, open space/greenway locations,
no access from 169, parkway alignment to the west, etc.
Vote: Motion 3 carried 4:1 with Sorensen voting nay.
Feerick asked the planner to clarify the zoning possible for Modern Tire
and Cleen Sweep. The planner said he would recommend I-2 Park with
provisions as listed in the Brauer staff report.
Crouch, attorney for Modern Tire, felt provisions on zoning other than what
Is contained in Ordinance 135 would be unenforceable. Meyers responded
that the City attorney would advise the City.
Sorensen did notfeela zoning could be granted with different restrictions than
other like zones in Ordinance 135 unless it was a PUD situation.
Crouch read from Subd. 8.2, Ordinance 135; and stated he believes the
Modern Tire use belongs in that subdivision-Industrial Park.
Motion 4-
Feerick moved, Schee seconded, to recommend to the City Council rezoning
of the Energy Systems and Modern Tire sites to I-2 Park on the conditions
of-the upgrading of the properties to City ordinances, the resolution of a
single access, a rezoning agreement to outline the commercial use of the
properties to their particular use, and the removal of the existing access
to 169. The motion - carried 4:1 with Sorensen voting nay.
C. Hustad Development Company, request for an office, industrial, and
residential PUD on a 26 acre parcel located south of U. S. 169, and
west of Creek Knoll Road, and north of Co. Rd. 1 .
The planner reported a bridge over U.S. 169 seems unfeasible, and
suggested an alternative might be realigning Co. Rd. 1 through the
Drive-in .
Sorensen- asked .if Hustads had responded to the watershed district's
letter. Mr. Bonner replied they are confident that further meetings with
tha watershed district will resolve the problems.
Motion:
Meyers moved,- Fosnocht seconded, to continue the .item to the - September
8th agenda. The motion carried unanimously.
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IV. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS
A. Areas A, B, C, and D of The Preserve Commercial Plan, requesting PUD
Concept Plan and preliminary platting for commercial uses in the MCA.
The planner suggested the Commission remove the .items from their agenda
and new notices would be mailed when inore information on the commercial areas
is submitted.
Motion: -
Schee moved, Meyers seconded, to remove Areas A, B, C, and D of The Preserve
Commercial Plan from their agenda until further information is obtained at
which time notices will again- be mailed. The vote was unanimous.
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B. Eden Prairie Acres Replatting, request for preliminary plat approval of 5 lots
located along Bennett Place and South of Co. Rd. 1 .
--Withdrawn by proponent ---
V. PRESENTATION BY WALLACE HUSTAD OF " PUD 1975," as discussed with the
Community Growth Council.
Mr. Hustad was unable to attend. The item will appear on the Commission's
following agenda-Sept. 8.
VI. PLANNER'S REPORT
A. Planning Checklist-Mr. Fosnocht's Report.
The draft PUD checklist prepared by Fosnocht and Boerger was discussed by the
Commission and it was recommended that additions or suggestions to the
list be given to the planner , _ The item was placed on the Commission's
following agenda.
B. Comprehensive Guide Plan Update, appointment of representative (s ) to the
review committee.
The planner reported the Park & Recreation Commission appointed Mr. Garens.
Sorensen and Schee were unanimously elected by the Planning Commission to
serve on the review committee,
C.. PS Districts
The planner reported he is suggesting Ordinance 135 be amended to
.include a 3-4 year time period for PS Districts.
II.B. Meyers reported the Council upheld their policy on public hearings
being held the first meeting of every month, but the City Manager could recom-
mend exceptions to the policy .
Meyers also reported the Council has not yet discussed the August 12
Ring Road Status Report. Copies of the report were distributed to the Commission.
VII. ADTOU RNMENT.
Fosnocht moved, Feerick seconded to adjourn at 12 : 35 AM. The motion
carried unanimous.
Respectfully Submitted;
Jean Egan, Planning Secretary