Planning Commission - 07/28/1975 t
AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, July 28, 1975
7:30 PM City Hall
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Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairperson Don Sorensen, Richard Feerick, Roger
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Boerger, Joan Meyers, Norma Schee, Richard Lynch,
Herb Fosnocht
STAFF MEMBERS: Planning Director Dick Putnam; Planning Secretary
Jean Egan; Planning Intern Dwight Picha, Planning
Assistant Chris Enger, f
1. Minutes E
A. Minutes of the Planning Commission July 14, 1975,Meeting.
B. Minutes of the Joint Council/Planning Commission July 15, 1975, Meeting.
II. MEMBERS REPORTS.
A. Chairperson Don Sorensen.
B. Council Representative Joan Meyers
C. Other Members
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. Areas A, B, , and D of The Preserve Commercial Plan,requesting concept
plan and preliminary plat approvals. Continued public hearings.
B. Area G of The Preserve Commercial Plan, requesting concept plan and
prelinit nary plat approval for office and commercial land uses. The
site is located northwest of the new Ring Road and U. S. 169 intersec -
tion. A continued public hearing.
C. Olympic Hills Pease 1II, request for development stage approval, rezoning,
and preliminary plat approval for 20 single family and 14 atrium units.
The site is located south of the Trails townhouses and west of Franlo Road.
D. Eden Prairie Family Recreation Center, by Eden Development Inc. , requesting
rezoning from I•-2 Park to Community Commercial for a 21 acre parcel north
of T.H. 5 and east of Edenvale Boulevard.
IV, PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
A. Hustad Development Co}npany, request for a office, industrial and residential
PUD on a 26 acre parcel located south of U. S. 169 , west of Creek Knolls
Road, and north of County Road 1 .
B. Men Prairie Acres Replatting, proposal by Mr. Hopson and Johnson to
replat parts of lots 10, 11, 12 and all of lot 13 of Eden Prairie Acres into
5 lots. The site is located approximately 300 yards south of Blossom Road
on West side of Bennett Place.
C. Celebrity Forum, inc. , requests concept plan and rezoning approval for
construction of a 3,500 seat theatre , restaurant, and recreation facility
on 15 + acres located south of T.H. 5 and west of Purgatory Creel;
V , PLANNER'S REPORT.
A. Comprehensive Guide Plan.
B. Flying Cloud Airport Study
C. 1976 Draft Budget for Planning Department
D.. 169 Study Area.
VI. APJOURNMENT.
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION approved
• Monday, July 28, 1975 7:30 PM City Hall
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairperson Don Sorensen, Richard Lynch,
Norma Schee, Joan Meyers, Roger Boerger,
Richard Feerick, Herb Fosnocht
STAFF PRESENT: Richard Putnam, Jean M. Egan
I. MINUTES.
A. Minutes of the Planning Commission July 14, 1975 Meeting.
delete Roger Boerger's name from Members Absent.
Schee moved, Boerger seconded, to accept the minutes as published and
corrected. The motion carried 6:1 with Meyers abstaining.
B. Minutes of the Joint Council / Planning Commission Meeting on July 15, 1975.
P. 1 Nason, Wehrman, Chapman - heavy emphasis on task force approach.
P. 2 9th P should read 9-10 months.
Fosnocht moved, Lynch seconded, to approve the minutes as published and
corrected. The motion carried 5:2 with Meyers and Schee abstaining.
II. MEMBERS REPORTS.
A. Chairperson Don Sorensen .
Mr. Sorensen reported that the Board of Appeals and Adjustment did not have
a quorum at their last meeting and hence no actions were taken.
• B. Council Representative Meyers.
Meyers reported that the Council had referred the Parkview Apartments back
to the staff and upheld the Board of Appeals and Adjustments decision on
the Rosemount Sign request.
C. Others.
Mr. Boerger commended Mr. Feerick and others who worked on the bond
referendum.
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. Areas A, B, C and D of The Preserve Commercial Plan, requesting concept
plan and preliminary plat approval . Continued public hearings.
Mr. Sorensen asked Mr. Lee Johnson, The Preserve, when further material
would be available. Mr. Johnson felt The Preserve would have something
to the Commission for their second meeting in Augu-st.
Motion:
Meyers moved, Boerger seconded, to continue the public hearings for Areas A,
B, C,and D of the Preserve Commercial Plan to the Commission's August 25th
meeting. The motion carried unanimously.
B. Area G of The Preserve Commercial Plan, requesting concept plan and
preliminary plat approval for office and commercial land uses. The site
• is located northwest of the new Ring Road and U. S. 169 intersection.
A continued public hearing.
The planner highlighted the staff report and stated the Area G proposal
is consistent with the MCA Plan . He added that services & the City staff
supports the in/out access proposed, but does not support the large retail
use contained in the plan.
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -2- July 28, 1975
• The planner added that all future development within Area G would be
evaluated by the City as Methodist's rezoning request in Area F.
Loren Galpin said The Preserve staff would like the revised Area G Plan
approved as is and,if a large retail use is consideredfa specific plan for
such a use would be submitted.
Schee inquired what would be done regarding protection of the eastern
facing slope. The planner responded the staff suggests the -use on that
parcel be worked into the slope as well as possible.
Meyers suggested; 1 . staff review the cash in lieu of land dedication ,
2 . a written agreement should be secured between the landowners
before final concept approval regarding recommendation # 4 in the staff
report, and 3. the freestanding buildings sited along 169 should be more
flexible to make.use of shared_parking if possible.
Lee Johnson said the feasibility study, presently underway and to be
presented on August 12, would define the road location and assessment.
Sorensen, inquired if The Preserve envisioned the pedestrian crossing
as an overpass. Lee Johnson replied that The Preserve does not.
The planner suggested the location for a pedestrian connection could
• be indicated as in Area F and the corresponding assessment would be
worked out.
Motion:
Boerger moved, Schee seconded, to recommend approval of Area G's
concept plan and preliminary platting subject to recommendations
1-3 on page 8 of the July 22, 1975 staff report, # 4 as amended and add 5&6 ;
4. That the Preserve work with Bermel/Teman to coordinate
the connecting street and grading plans, defining construction
timing and method , financial commitments &right-of-way
alignment dedication all of which shall be agreed to in writting prior
to final plat approval.
5. Should the freestanding commercial along 169 not be used as Class I or II
restaurants*then said structures should be grouped.
6. That it is envisioned that an above grade pedestrian system
will connect Area G with the adja-cent Homart Community Commercial
Area,at such time as land use and pedestrian demand are present
in keeping with established City policy without implying any
specific financing method.
The motion carried unanimously.
* as defined in the July 22, 1975 staff report
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approved
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• C. Olympic Hills Phase III, request for development stage approval, rezoning,
and preliminary plat approval for 20 single family and 14 atrium units.
The site is located south of the Trails townhouses and west of Franlo Road.
The planner informed the commission the wildlife corridor in the
revised plan did not meet the concept approval of 150' and would need
revision.
The planner said the staff recommends rezoning approval subject to the terms
of the staff report and reviewal of the open space corridor use . and maintenance
agreement' by the City Attorney. The planner suggested the,preliminary plat
approval be withheld until the revised plan is submitted.
Knutson said they would be submitting the revised plan which will conform
to the staff report recommendations.
Feerick suggested the City Attorney also review the homeowner's agreement.
Sorensen inquired if the 150' corridor was intended to be lot line to lot line,
or building to building. Knutson believed the original approval was building
to building. The planner said the City Attorney , developer, and staff
would work out an agreement before final platting.
• Lee Johnson, The Preserve, asked if the southern property line is near the
location of the sanitary storm sewer line. The planner believed they occurred
in the same general location.
Motion-
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to continue the hearing to the August 11th
meeting at which time the revised plan would be submitted, and the staff
and developer would work out the sewer location, open space dedication,
totlots, house placement, the size and method of protection of the wildlife
corridor, straightening of the trails along Franlo, and review the homeowner's
association agreement. The motion carried unanimously.-
D. Eden Prairie Family Recreational Center, by Eden Development, Inc. ,
requesting rezoning from I-2 Park to Community Commercial for a 21
acre site, north of T.H. 5 and east of Edenvale Boulevard.
The planner stated the Eden Development _
Incorporated's request is foracommunity shopping type use and should
be located in a geographical area of the City as illustrated on the
1968 Guide Plan. The planner further stated the proposal is inconsis-
tent with the Edenvale PUD and the City's Comprehensive Guide Plan.
• Sorensen requested the staff submit information on traffic counts for
Industrial vs. Community Commercial at the proposed recreational
center site.
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -4- July 28, 1975
• Mr. Peterson said it would be possible to meet the recommendations
withinthe staff report regarding construction if the proposal is approved
on the requested site. Peterson stated that a strong market exists for
recreational uses and traffic flow during peak hours would be less
for the recreational center than if the property were developed under
industrial. Mr. Peterson felt the property in the MCA is not ready
for development at this time because of the unavailability of roads and
utilities.
Meyers inquired which specialty foods are being considered and suggested
some restaurant uses could better utilize the view of the open space
than a bowling alley.
Peterson replied restaurants such as; Mcf�nnalds,Poppin Fresh, pizza
shops,an icecream shop, etc.,•are being considered.
Sorensen asked if the specialty foods uses could be clustered. Peterson
said it could be attempted.
Lynch asked what the watershed district's response is todate. Peterson
replied that he has meet with the watershed district representatives and
it will be considered at the watershed district's next meeting.
• Boerger asked if a zoning category other than Community Commercial
is possible. The planner said the proposal could also request Regional
Service zoning.
Feerick suggested the bowling alley use be separated from the other
family recreational uses because of the possible liquor license. Peterson
felt such a redesign would be possible.
Meyers asked what became of Edenvale's petition for the extension
of Valley View to the Ring Route. Peterson replied that they would
like to see Valley View extended and assessed back to the benefitting
property owners, but such a decision must wait until the court appeal
is handled.
Feerick questioned the viability of the MCA under the present
circumstances. He believed the concept is good if it can be made
to work,.
Meyers felt the MCA Concept is not yet completl.Y tested, and granting
of regional uses outside of the MCA would mean the City would compromise
it planning principles.
• The planner also felt the MCA Concept is viable and development is
occurring in the MCA.
" approved
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Eden Prairie Family Recreational Center, Cont.
Motion:
Schee moved , Lynch seconded, to recommend to the City Council denial
of the rezoning request from I-2 Park to Community Commercial for the
Eden Prairie Family Recreational Center by Eden Development, Inc. ,
for the following reasons ;
1 . The proposed land uses at the corner of T.H. 5 and
Mitchell Road are not consistent with the Comprehen-
sive Guide Plan for the City of Eden Prairie.
2. That the- rezoning request from I-2 Park to Community
Commercial is inconsistent with the Edenvale Planned
Unit Development.
3. That Eden Development , Inc. , consider comparable
sites locatedwithin the Eden Prairie Major Center Area
along the new extension of Valley View Road adjacent
to the Ring Route with access to Highway 5.
4. That the .proposal is actually for Regional Service use,
rather than Community Commercial.
The motion carried 5:2 with Boerger and Feerick voting nay.
IV. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
• A. Hustad Development Company, request for a office, industrial and residential
PUD on a 26 acre parcel located south of U. S. 169, west of Creek Knoll
Road , and north of County Road 1.
Mr. Bill Bonner presented theproposaland reviewed the natural land forms and
uses in the site. He reported that Hustad Development Company conducted
an informal meeting with the surrounding landowners on Saturday and the
primary concerns expressed were; traffic on Creek Knolls Road and the char-
acter of the residential units.
Mr. Nemec,9449 Creek Knoll Rd, asked if the northern portion of the proposal
would be parkland and what assurances there were it would remain parkland.
Bonner replied that the northern area would be dedicated to the City and
the slope is proposed as scenic easement, Sorensen informed Mr. Nemec
that that the parkarea would be s.eccur-ed.by a legal document.
Mr. Nemec then expressed his approval of a cul-de-sac fo' Creek Knolls Road
at the bridge.
Mrs. Nemic asked if the sign at 169 and Creek Knoll Road was on Highway
property or Hustad property! Bonner responded that the land belongs
to Hustads.
• Mr. Nemec then expressed concern about the present traffic problems at 1 and
169 and future traffic._ increases. Bonner stated that hopefully Co. Rd. 1
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -6- July 28, 1975
• would cross over 169. The planner believed such an improvement would be
beneficial , but neither the State or County Highway Departments have such
plans in their 5 year programs.
Harold Schaitberger felt the industrial shown on the zoning map was inaccurate
on the Hustad proposal. He expressed the desire to have his property west
of the Hustad proposal zoned industrial along with the Hustad request.
The planner felt it would be possible and suggested Mr. Schaitberger apply for rezoning.
Meyers asked if the residential units would be rental. Bonner replied he
was unsure, but would know in a couple of weeks.
Meyers suggested the possible future approval should include upgrading of
Creek Knolls Road and 169 f 1 intersection.
Sorensen inquired why 3 accesses were proposed along Co. Rd. 1 . Bonner
replied the 3 accesses would distribute the traffic east or west more efficiently.
Motion•
Fosmcht moved, Boerger seconded, to continue the -request to the August llth
meeting and refer it to the staff and Park & Recreation_ commission .
The motion carried unanimously.
�. Eden Prairie Acres Replatting, proposal by Mr. Hopson and Johnson to
replat parts of lots 10,11,12 and all of lot 13 of Eden Prairie Acres into 5
lots . The site is located approximately 300 yards south-of Blossom Road
on the west side of Bennett Place.
Mr. Jerry Davis said he as representing Messrs. Hopson &_Johnson who were
called out of town. He stated the request was for a simple rearrangement of
lot lines from 3 lots to 5 lots.
David Brown, 10080 Bennett Place, expressed the concern that it is very
diffic.iilt for cars to make the steep grade up Bennett in the Winter.
Paul Lawson , 10881 Blossom Road , stated that the visibility is very poor
at Blossom and Co. Rd. 1 and a hazard to safety.
Mr.Robert Twiss,10010 Bennett Place, asked how wide -of' a road is proposed.
and what type of dwellings would be constructed. Mr. Davis responded the
road would be 40 feet wide and single family detached homes would be built.
Schee asked how many homes presently use Bennett Place. The number was estimated
to be 11-12 .
Motion:
• Meyers moved, Fosnocht seconded, to continue the request to the August 25th meeting.
The motion carried unanimously.
Boerger and Sorensen suggested the proponent supply more detailed information.
approved
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C. Celebrity 'Forum , Inc. , request for concept plan and rezoning approval for
construction of a 3,500 seat theatre , restaurant , and recreation facility
• on 50 acres located south of T.H. 5 and West of Purgatory Creek.
Mr. Bill McMahon said he is prepared to immediately initiate a 15 acre
parcel as a 3,500 seat theatre for entertainment and culture purposes
with parking facilities for 1,500 cars. Additional uses within the total 50
acre site would include outdoor racquetball courts, tennis, and a restaurant/'
supper club. Mr. McMahon estimated the entire proposal would be
constructed within 2 years with the theatre constructed immediately.
Sorensen asked how many acres of the proposal are within the floodplain.
McMahon was unsure.
Sorensen then asked if the proponent had considered sites within the MCA.
McMahon replied he has, but the MCA has road, utility and assessment
problems and excessive 'land -costs. . McMahon said he could locate
east of Purgatory Creek and be within the MCA, but those 20 acres are
entirely within the floodplain and construction would be difificult.
He added that the Carpenter site in the MCA would be his # 1 choice
if the access and utilities were resolved.
The planner said that McMahon has not contacted every MCA landowner,
and the issue at hand is if the regional use should be located outside
• of the MCA.
Feerick felt the City is turning down beneficial developments and asked
if the proposal could be directed to the Council to address the problem of
regional uses outside of the MCA. Sorensen felt a decision by the Council
on regional uses outside of the MCA would be helpful .
Boerger, .Lynch and Schee all believed the same issue was at stake with
the Eden Prairie Family Recreational Center.
Schee did not feel regional uses should be located outside of the MCA.
Meyers suggested perhaps the City should rethink its policy of withholding
actions until the court cases are resolved.
Sorensen asked the proponent if he would develop a site within the MCA
if the Ring Road was partially constructed. McMahon responded affirmative.
Motion:
Sorensen moved, Feerick seconded, to continue the item to the August 11
agenda and recommend the- Council consider the possibility of permitting
limited improvement to parts of the Ring Road to allow development of some
of the parcels. The motion carried unanimously.
• A concensus was taken on if the concept of the theatre proposal was
acceptable- it was unanimous.
A concensus was taken if the 50 acre site south of T.H. 5 and West of Purgatory
Creek was acceptable- Boerger and Feerick felt the site would be acceptable;
Meyers, Lynch , Schee,Sorens en,and Fosnocht felt it waildnot.
.approved
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V. PLANNER ' S REPORT.
A. Comprehensive Guide Plan.
B. Flying Cloud Airport Study.
C. 1976 Draft Budget for Planning Department,
D. 169 Study Area.
Due to the late hour the Planner's Report was not covered.
VI. ADJOURNMENT.
Boerger moved, Fosnocht seconded, to adjourn at 1:15 AM.
The motion carried unanimously.
Respectfully Submitted;
Jean M. Egan