Planning Commission - 03/24/1975 AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday March 24, 1975
7:30 PM City Hall
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairperson Don Sorensen, Norma Schee,
Roger Boerger, Richard Lynch, Herb Fosnocht,
Joan Meyers, Dick Feerick
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam, Chris Enger, Jean M. Egan
(estimated )
7:30 PM I. MINUTES OF THE MARCH 10, 1975 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING,
II. MEMBERS REPORTS.
A. Don Sorensen
B. Council Representative Joan Meyers -�
C. Fosnocht & Boerger
D. Other Members
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
8:00 A.Methodist Hospital, requesting PUDDevdopment Stage approval and
rezoning to OFC District for the construction of a medical office
building. The site contains 5 acres and is located in Area F of
The Preserve Commercial Plan.
B. Eagle Enterprises, request for a parking lot variance for a neighbor-
hood shopping center located in the northwest corner of Co. Rd. 4 and
T.H. 5.
9:00 C.Area A of The Preserve Commercial Plan , request for conceptual approval
for Office, Commercial and Multiple uses, and preliminary plat approval.
Area A .is located west of Gelco Corporation Office Building , south of
the W. 78th Street, and north of Anderson Lakes.
9:45 D.Ordinance No. 135 Change , amendment for industrial districts pertaining
to office use in industrial districts.
10:15 IV. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS
A.Northmark II, request.' ..by The Preserve for plat approval for 78 lots with
setback and lot size modifications. The Preserve is also seeking
rezoning to RM 6.5 . The site is located east of Northmark I and north
of Basswoods dl .
10:45 V. PLANNERS REPORT.
1. MCA . Ordinance Progress Discussion
2. Edengate Proposal Status
3. Purgatory Creek Study
4. Titus Revised Site Plan-
11:15 VI. ADJOURNMENT.
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
• y approved
Monday, March 24, 1975 7:30 PM City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairperson Sorensen , Richard Feerick, Richard Lynch,
Roger Boerger
MEMBERS ABSENT: Joan Meyers, Herb Fosnocht, Norma Schee
STAFF PRESENT: Dick Putnam
I. MINUTES OF THE MARCH 10, 1975 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
Boerger moved, Feerick seconded, to approve the minutes of March 10, 1975
with the following corrections :
P. 1, Item II A, 1. Guide Plan Plan Seminars. should read- Sorensen felt
the city should meet with Brauers or other professionals. . .
P. 2 , Item IIIA, should read - of an opinion, ( and agree that governmental
bodies should be careful in evaluating petitions bearing joint signatures
and of the completeness of presentations made be persons soliciting
signatures of the petition.
P. 3, Discussion: should read-rezoning projects, and that substantial
changes in the surrounding land uses could occur within that time
frame which would render such zonings inappropriate.
P. 4, Motion, should read- . . . Staff report with specific emphasis on screening. . .
Add-The motion did not include approval or disapproval of the use of
TBA.
• P. 7, IV, A. , 21P, sp. of announced
The minutes were approved with the listed corrections withan unanimous' vote.
II. MEMBERS REPORTS
A. Don Sorensen
Sorensen reported that he had received a resolution-from the Park & Recreation
Commission challengfngthe Planning Commission to a broomball tournament
at the Eden Prairie Cooler on- Saturday, April 5th, 1 975. He asked the
planner to make arrangements to accept the challenge.
Sorensen complemented the staff and city manager for the new format for
agendas and the letter of transiunittal included in the last packet as it seems
to be an Excellent idea.
The other members did not have reports.
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Methodist Hospital, requesting PUD Development State approval and rezoning
to OFC District for the construction of a medical office building. The site
contains approximately 5 acres and is located in Area F of The Preserve
Commercial Plan.
• Sorensen asked the planner to briefly summarize the important elements of the
staff report dated March 14th. The planner reviewed the major elements of the
report . He indicated that the Eden Prairie Health Center plan was an appropriate
approved
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• use for the site and did reflect the requirements of development within
Area F of the Preserve Commercial Plan.
Earl Dresser, Jerald Bloom, and Robert Smith , representing Methodist Hospital
responded to the concerns raised in the staff report in that they felt they
could accommodate the requirianerits suggested during building permit stage.
Mr. Dresser indicated that they were pleased to be able to provide service
to the City of Eden Prairie and would be expanding their clinic facility
as the population and needs increase in the future.
Mr. Sorensen outlined two concerns which Mrs . Meyers , who was unable to
,attend, conveyed to him prior to the meeting. The concerns were ;
1. That the building was proposed in two locations and questioned whether
it should be one single building.
2 . Concern about the size , treatment , and design of the parking structure,
and wondered if more detail would be appropriate at this time.
Sorrensen questioned the location of the 2nd building and the amount of tree
removal required.
Mr. Dresser responded that the parking structure would be many years in
the future with phase I & II lasting over the next 10 years as they envision
• it today and the expansion potential would be usable if necessary in the
distant- future.
The Planner felt to do detailed design work on the parking structure at this
time would be most difficult because of the time lapse between actual construc-
tion and design. He indicated changing transportation, auto sizes, building
materials, etc. would certainly modify the design of the parking structure
Feerick commented that he felt Meyers concerns about the parking structure
and 2nd phase buildings - were justified and that he would support the
language= which would require. reconsideration by the city at the time
of construction or enlargement.
Motion
Sorensen moved, Lynch seconded, to recommend approval of the development
stage application and rezoning to OFC for the Eden Prairie Health Center
site in the southwest quadrant of the Ring Route and 169 intersection with the
following conditions :
1. The clinic conform with the recommendations, in the March 14,
1975 staff report.
2. That the final development plans for phase III & IV be presented to
the Planning Commission and City Council for majority approval
prior to issuance of building permits for those phases.
• 3. That the rezoning to OFC from Rural located in LD-74-PUD-12 F
be for the construction of a medical office clinic as depicted in the
brochure dated March 14, 1975 .; submitted by Methodist Hospital
and amended by the March 14 staff report.
The motion passed unanimously.
approved
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B. Eagle Enterprises, request for a parking lot variance for a neighborhood
shopping center located in the northwest corner of Co. Rd. 4 and T.H. 5.
Sorensen asked the planner to review the elements of the staff report dated
March 19, 1975. The planner highlighted the'basic areas of the staff report
indicating that the attorney felt that the commercial zoning permitted
the use proposed , and the request for a variance is based upon previous
actions the city has taken with other shopping center facilities such
as Edenvale and Homart. The planner noted that it was his opinion that
the Planning Commission and Board of Appeals could apply conditions
to the approval of the shopping mall to ensure conformance with city 1
policies and.protection of adjacent properties.
Mr. Norderhus , Eagle Enterprises, said that they had reviewed the staff report
and were in agreement with the items requested.
Mr. Sorensen expressed 3 points on Mrs. Meyer's behalf :
1. She did not feel the Eagle Enterprise project was the same as the
Eden Plaza Shopping Center or Homart, because
A. No transit stops were provided
B. Pedestrian movements are not accommodated between
the site and other areas.
• C. There _ . was no shared parking with adjacent uses or
other .-portions of the site.
Mr. Sorensen felt that the action of granting_a variance could not be
separated from other city actions as-stated in the- staff report and that the
commission should consider all elements when reaching a decision.
Motion; 1
Boerger moved, Feerick seconded, to recommend to the Board of Appeals
approval of the variance request by Eagle Enterprises varying the parking
requir.-ement as established iVn Ordinance 141 from 8 spaces per 1,000
square feet of G.F.A. to 6 spaces per 1,000 square feet G.L.A, for the
construction of a neighborhmdshopping center as : modified
by the March 19, 1975 , ; Planning Staff Report with the following
additions .:
1. Enlarge the landscape buffer area adjacent to ..Co. Rd. 4 and
T.H. 5 and design appropriate earth forms and landscaping to
screen passing traffic from the massive impact of the parking
area to standards acceptable to the city staff.
2. Eagle Enterprises shall submit detailed designs related to the
buffer , particularly on the northwest property line adjacent
to the church and the single family properties to ensure adequate
screening and buffering from the service areas of the mall.,
• 3. Work jointly with the developer and the highway department to
ensure proper design of all entrances and exits to the center site.
Moving the center entrance to T-1-T.5 west approximately 600-700 '
from the Co. Rd. 4 intersection would be desirable and should
be discussed with the highway departments.
approved
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• 4. Ensure thatthe necessary improvements to Co. Rd. 4 and T.H. 5
permitting safe and high quality access to the center site are
accomplished prior to granting an occupancy permit for the
commercial space . These improvements are to be made by
the highway departments or the developer .
5. Angle parking shall be installed to provide safe parking lot
movements consistent with the provisions of Ordinance- 141.
6. The developer shall provide parking lot landscaping similar
to that used in the Eden Prairie Center by Homart. This will
ensure adequate number of shade trees in the,parking areas to
assist in defining the parking rows and to provide shade and
visual amenities in the parking lot.
7. Approval of the parking variance is based exclusively upon
the shopping mall design prohibiting exterior signage other
than the major tenants; .. supper market, drug , or hadware,
and internal-site directory signing for other stores with limited
signage identifying the shopping mall . itself related to the
major roads. The variance does not apply to the typical
strip mall with individual merchant signing along the front
of the building.
8. That Eagle Enterprises shall continue the pedestrian system
along Co. Rd. 4 to T.H. 5 and connect with a safe internal
• pedestrain system to the shopping mall. .
9. That Eagle Enterprises shall design transit service facilities that
meet the standards of the MTC
Motion 2
Sorensen moved to continue the Eagle Enterprise action until the April 14th
meeting, the motion was seconded-by-Lynch..
Discussion:
The planner asked the reason for the suggested continuance. Mr. Sorensen
said he felt the 3 members of the commis don that were absent should
have an -. opportunity to review this proposal and express their comments.
'Boerger questioned what changes other than those suggested would be made
and what would be gained by adding this to the April 14th agenda.
Question was called, the vote was Sorensen and Lynch in favor of continuation
.and Eoerger• f& Feerick- opposed. The motion did not pass.
Vote on Motion 1 :
The motion carried 2:1;1 with Boerger & Feerick voting aye, Sorensen voting
nay , and Lynch abstained.
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:approved
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• C. Area A of The Preserve Commercial Plan, request for conceptual approval
for Office, Commercial and Multiple uses, and preliminary p] at approval .
Area A is located west of Gelco Corporation Office Building, south of
the W. 78th Street, and north of Anderson Lakes.
The planner reported that the staff review is not complete , but that .they
received the March 17th preliminary staff report from Mr. Enger to
the Park & Recreation Commission noting the concerns of the supper
club , the setback from Anderson Lakes and the architectural treatment
on the site.
Mr. Hess addressed the question of the supper ' club at the north end of
the marsh and the recommendations of the Park & Recreation commission not
in favor of the supper club. He pointed out that the desirability as an
unique " wildlife blind 11 permitting controlled observation'
consistent with the goats ofAndErson Lakes Park.- He expressed a concern
over the proposed design of the stricture along the'lake as expressed in
Mr. Enger's staff report and agreed they appeared massive. He said
changes in ' the ' design could be accommodated at the time of development
stage application.
Motion:
Boierger moved, Lynch seconded, to ask the council to set a public hearing
• for Area A's Commercial Plan for April 22, 1975,before the City Council.
The motion carried unanimously.
The commission asked the staff to have a :report-ready for the next planning
commission-meeting on-April 14th.
D. Ordinance-No- 1-35 Change_,=a p ndment-_-fir-industria1-districts-pertaining
to office--use in industrial-districts
The plannerreferred the commission to the Edenvale letter received Friday
and the suggested changes by the city attorney. Putnam indicated that the
staff has not had an opportunity to respond to Edenvale's letter and with
Mr. Perbix out of town they were not prepared to make a recommendation
at this time.
Motion:
Lynch moved, Feerick seconded, to continue the ,Ordinance 135 consideration
until the April 14th Planning Commission meeting. The motion carried unanimously.
. approved
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,J. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS
A. Northmark II, request by The Preserve for plat approval for 78 lots with
setback and lot size modifications. The Preserve is also seeking rezoning
to RM 6.5 . The site is located east of Northmark I and north of Basswoods dl .
Mr. Hess reviewed the layout for the Northmark II plat of 78 lots. He
stressed , the work which the Preserve , city staff, and Park & Recreation-
Commission have done to determine the correct size and
configuration of the school / park site. Mr. Hess noted that they have done
research , hired Brauer & Associates, and conducted in-house studies to
examine the park ' 'needs.' and have concluded that a 22 a-cre site
was sufficient to handle the neighborhood park function, particularly when com-
bined with other recreational facilities present in The Preserve Sector.
Sorensen asked what the lot sizes would be in Northmark II. Hess•responded
8,500- 11,000 square feet, approximately 3 lots/acre.
The commission inquired about the separation between the park and the
adjacent uses. The planner said he would have a comprehensive report
at the next meeting as well as Mr. jessen or Mr. Enger to answer detailed
questions regarding the park size . The planner indicated that the staff feels
very strongly that the city should understand the potential problems if
• a tight minimum size park is approved.
Motion:
Lynch moved, Sorensen seconded, _to refer Northmark II to the staff for
study and a report for the April 14th meeting. ----The motion carried unanimously.
III. D. RECONSIDERATION- Ordinance No. 135 Change.
Mr. John Crouch,. representing Mr. _Dietrich-_arrived-Gate_for-the_-Ordinance
135 Change item. The commissiiop agreed to briefly discuss the item for
Mr. Crouch's benefit.
Mr. Crouch mentioned two important points- Mr. Dietrich's use was constructed
under old provisions and should be"'grandfathered-ieunder normal provisions
applicable to new ordinances, and the economic problems which Mr. Dietrich
faces because of his inability to rent his structure given the current ordinances
both viewed to be important by members"of•the council. Mr. Crouch urged
that the city take action at the earliest date , but realized that action at this
meeting was probably premature due to Edenvale's letter and Mr. Perbix's response
to- previous city actions.
Sorensen indicated that he was not convinced that the grandfathering situation
would be applicable to Mr. Dietrich's situation.
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approved
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V. PLANNERS REPORT
1. MCA Ordinance Progress Discussion.
The planner referred to the memo included in the commission's packet
and asked that the commission consider the March 18, 1975,memo and
express their- opinions.
2 . Edengate Proposal Status.
Two residents from the Lochanburn area were present. The planner indicated
that he had notified Mr. Bob Mavis, representative of the Lochanburn
property owners, that there would be no staff report or commission action
at this meeting, and that the project would be continued to the April 14th meeting.
3. Purgatory Creek Study.The planner indicated that the commission had received the Purgatory Creek
Study prepared by Brauer & Associates for their revi ew and information.
4. Titus Revised Site Plan.
The revised plan was distributed as requested by the commission for their
review. The commission's concensus was that the changes
were included in the revised plan.
VI. ADTOURNMENT.
Feerick moved, Boerger seconded, to adjourn the meeting at 10:00 PM.
The motion carried unanimously.
Respectively Submitted
for Secretary Lynch -
Acting Secretary, Richard Putnam
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