Planning Commission - 02/24/1975 AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, February 24, 1975
7:30 PM City Hall
~ Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairperson Don Sorensen, Norma Schee, Roger
Boerger, Dick Feerick, Herb Fosnocht, Joan Meyers ,
Richard Lynch
STAFF MEMBERS: Dick Putnam,Chris Enger, jean M. Egan
►. ` I. MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 16, 1975 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
11. MEMBERS REPORTS.
` A. Chairperson Don Sorensen
1. Meeting format and agenda format.
2. Informational seminars for commissioners.
B. Mr. Fosnocht & Mr. Boerger
C. Other Members
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. Community Development Act, joint application through Hennepin County to
HUD for Community Development projects during 1975-76. Discussion of
suggested projects and recommendation to the City Council regarding which
project should be selected.
Suggested Action:'Recommend project to City Council for CbA application.
B. Ordinance 135 amendment,- to allow planned unit development district.
Presentation by staff and recommendation of City attorney. Discussion of
amendment impact and suggested changes.
Suggested Action: Recommend approval of the draft ordinance amendment,
continue to the March loth meeting, or deny.
Chestnut Phase III, by New *Town Development, requesting development
!)� phase approval and rezoning to permit medium density garden apartments .
Suggested Action: Recommend to the City Council approval of Chestnut
Phase III, continue to the March loth meeting, or deny.
D. Eliason Builders, request for blanket -setback variance for Round Lake
Estates First Addition. ( Eng. report attached )
Suggested Action: Recommend to the City Council approval of the blanket
setback variance, continue, to the March loth meeting, or deny,
IV.. PETITIOATSAND REQUESTS.
A. Edengate Townhouse Project, located north of Duck Lake Trail and east of
Lochanburn Addition on a 120 acre site. The developer, Gerald Pautz,
proposes 206 rental townhouse units, 78.9 acres- - of community park ,
1 and 6 acres of neighborhood park. Presentation and discussion of project.
'. Suggested Action: Refer to staff for report for March 10, 1975 meeting.
B. Lutheran Church in America , requesting rezoning from Rural to PUB,or
Quasi-Public,for a 3.4 acre site, located on the south side of Pioneer Trail
i and 600 feet west of Homeward Hills Road .
,.� Suggested Action: Continue to the March loth meeting for a report.
V.- PLANNER'S REPORT.
A. Up-coming Projects.
1. Preserve Areas G & H.
2: Methodist Hospital Clinic in Preserve
3.' Teman /Bermel MCA Properties
4. Modern Tire Rezoning Request
��� ' B. Status of Previous Commission Actions-.
,r' 1. Cedar Forest 2nd Addition
2. Group Homes Ordinance 135 Changes
• 3. PUD Ordinance
.4. MCA Ordinance
VI. ADIOURNMENT.
ADDENDUM To February 24, 1975 Planning Commission Agenda
III. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
C. Mitchell Lake Estates,mobile home park, located west of Mitchell Lake and
i mile south of T.H. 5. Requesting rezoning from Rural to PUD 74-14 for
concept stage approval to permit approximately 360 mobile home units.
Presentation of staff report.
Approved
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, February 24, 1975 7:30 PM City Hall
IMEMBERS PRESENT: Chairperson Don Sorensen, Herb Fosnocht, Dick Feerick, Norma
Schee, Richard Lynch
MEMBERS ABSENT: Roger Boerger, loan Meyers
STAFF PRESENT: Dick Putnam, jean Egan
MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 10, 1975 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
P.2, II D, should read . . . on a format for reports and a checklist;with the staff.
III A, should read . . , on page 51 included only the gas . . .
Discussion ,should read . . . Fosnocht expressed the concern that because
of the large number of landowners in the northeast corner, lack of
agreement on a development plan and related assessments may prevent
development from occurring for a significant number of years.
P. 5, Amendments ( No. 2 ) should read . . . lake be sguaredoff thereby enlarging .
P. 6, 5th P, should read . . have a . present interest in marketing .
Between the 6th & 7th P add . . . Easterly road connections were then
discussed by the commission.
Lynch moved, Fosnocht seconded to approve the minutes as published and
corrected. The motion carried '4:1 with Schee abstaining.
MEMBERS REPORTS.
. ..Chairperson Don Sorensen
1. Meeting format and agenda format.
Be commission members discussed various ways of scheduling items on the agenda,
enda length, and meeting format. Sorensen asked for the commission's continued
assistance in developing formats.
2. Informational seminars for commissioners
Sorensen asked if the commission would like to plan informational seminars.
It was the general concensus that such tours are beneficial.
B. Mr. Fosnocht & Mr. Boerger
Mr. Fosnooht reported that Mr. Boerger and he -had meet regarding a rEPa•t format,and
they might be presenting their alternatives at the next Planning Commission meeting.
Mr. Fosnocht also reported that he expects the revised Hennepin County Transporta-
tion System Study soon.
Sorensen reported that the Board of Appeals and Adjustment would hold a hearing re-
garding the Phoenix Petroleum station abandonment
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REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
i. Community Development Act, joint application through Hennepin County to HUD
for Community Development projects during 1975-76. Discussion of suggested
projects and recommendation to the City Council regarding which project should be
selected.
The planner showed how the responding council and commission members had
.ed the -proposed CDA projects
Approved
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Planning Commission members who had not responded submitted their rating forms.
The three highest rated projects by the Planning Commission were: the MCA Develop-
ment Ordinance, the Edenvale School Park, and the Mini-Trail System.
Motion:
Schee moved, Sorensen seconded, to recommend to the •Ci ty Council the MCA
Development Ordinance project for CDA application .
Discussion:
The planner felt other monies are available for funding the MCA Development Ordinance.
Vote: The motion failed 4:1 with Schee voting Aye.
B. Ordinance 135 Amendment, to allow planned unit development districts.
Discussion of amendment impact and suggested changes.
The planner summarized the PUD-zoning district.amendment to Ordinance 135 .
Motion 1
Schee moved, Feerick seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of the
draft PUD ordinance as an amendment to Ordinance 135.
Discussion:
Sorensen suggested amending- the motion to include, and the Planning
Commission recommends that the council consider the creation of a PUD ordinance.
The amendment did not receive a second.
•Feerick called question on the motion. The question carried unanimously.
Vote: The motion carried unanimously.
Motion 2
Schee moved, Feerick seconded, that , the Planning Commission recommends to the
City Council consideration of the creation of a PUD ordinance. The motion carried
unanimously.
The planner informed the commission that two other amendments to Ordinance 135
are before the council-Family Care Homes, and the request to allow office use in
Industrial buildings.
Mr.- Crouch attorney for Mr. Dietrich,who is requesting office use in industrial
buildings, stated that his client favors amending • the ordinance to permit office
space in industrial buildings to be used by individuals other than those using the
warehouse space.
Sorensen expressed the concern that substartially differs nt parking requirements are
involved, and the elevator and safety factors should be investigated.
Sorensen then referred the matter to the staff for report and recommendations.
Approved
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C Mitchell Lake. Estates mobile home park, located west of Mitchell Lake and
i mile south of T.H. 5. Requesting rezoning from Rural to PUD 74-14 for concept
stage approval to permit approximately 360 mobile home units. Presentation of
staff report.
The planner informed the commission that the, staff feels the issues related to the
development of the mobile home park are ; lack of utilities in the area,the :impact
upon the Guide Plan and the Housing Task Force Report, the. conventional site
plan, and the lack of a mobile home ordinance . The planner statedthe staff is
recommending denial of the project based upon the reasons contained in the staff
report.
Mr. Loucks of Brauers , told the commission the developer is willing to install . the
projects own water system and is willing to work on the site plan with the staff.
Loucks felt the lack of a mobile home ordinance should not block the approval
of the project. Schee told Loucks the Planning Commission and staff supports
the creation of a mobile home ordinance.
Motion 1
Fosnocht moved,ILynch seconded, to recommend to the City Council acceptance of
recommendations 1 , 2 ,3 , & 5 on page 2 of the Feb. 18, 1975 staff report with
recommendation # 1 changed to read ;
1. The City of Eden Prairie has a strong desire for new development to be
• compatible with the sewer and water phasing plan outlined in the draft
Capital Improvements- . Program.
Schee felt recommendations 4 & 6 should be included with the number 360 in
number 4 deleted. The amendment carried 3:2 with Fosnocht and Lynch voting nay.
The planner -said he felt sewer to service the area would be about 7-10 years off.
Schee called question, the question carried unanimously.
Vote: The motion carried unanimously.
Motion 2
Schee moved, Lynch seconded,that : the Planning Commission request the Council
initiate ' a mobile home ordinance.
Discussion:
Fosnocht said he believes the Council chose not to take action on the ordinance
In the past.
Amendment:
Sorensen • moved, Feerick seconded, to amend:: the motion ( # 2 ) to read . . .
initiate . consideration of a . . .
The amendment carried unanimously.
Vote: The motion carried 4:1 with Fosnocht voting nay.
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Approved
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• Eliason Builders,request for blanket setback variance for Round Lake Estates.
Engineering report attached..
The planner stated that he concurs with the engineer's report.
Mr. Eliason said the requested setback would be consistent with other-developments
within the City and would encourage larger homes.
Sorensen suggested amending the setbacks in the Zoning- Ordinance. The planner
believed the variance problem can be .handled ' with the proposed PUD Ordinance.
Motion:
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to recommend to the City Council approval of
the setback request for Round Lake Estates Addition in Mr. Eliason's letter dated
Jan. 24, 1975, and ; include a 5 foot setback on garage side. The motion
carried 3:2 with Fosnocht and Sorensen voting nay.
J. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
A. Edengate Townhouse_Project, located north of Duck Lake Trail and east of Lochanburn
Addition on a 120 acre site. The , developer, Gerald Pautz, proposes 206 rental
townhouse units, 78.9 acres of community park, and 6 acres of neighborhood park.
Presentation and discussion of project.
The planner informed the commission that the Edengate proposal had been presented
to surrounding residents at a neighborhood meeting.
Mr. Baldwin, presented the proposal with slides that depicted. . site location auto
and pedestrian circulation, buffers, grading, parking, unit floor-plans, etc.
The planner stated the City staff is doing an analysis of the feasibility of a golf
course in the area.
Sorensen asked if the proposed parkway was acceptable to the engineering staff.
The planner replied affirmative.
Fosnocht asked if the proposal was in theMinnelanka School District. The planner
responded affirmative. Fosnocht then asked if the construction of the proposed
parkway would require.. significant fill. The planner said the parkway would require
substantial excavation, and will cross a major sewer line twice. The planner
added that the developer is responsible for the construction cost of the sewer.
Fosnocht asked that more detailed grading . plans be presented to determine the
amount of grading necessary to site the buildings.
Schee expressed the concern that Duck Lake Trail .may be overloaded with traffic
• if the project is built all at once.
Feerick asked if Edengate would be similar in concept to Archer Heights. Mr. Pautz
responded negative.
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Mr. Robert Kruell felt the exterior view of the proposed Edengate project appeared
similar to the Archer Heights development. Mr. Pautz replied the slide of
• Edengate was a little deceptive and there is no resemblance.
Mr. Dick Ehlen asked if the site is zoned Rural. The Planner replied the site
is Rural with a PUD approval.
Tom Collins asked how the access over the creek would effect Lotus Lake.
The planner replied the watershed district will be respanding on that issue.
Collins then asked for the overall length of the buildings. Mr. Burg of Consulting
Engineers, stated a 6 unit building would be 120 feet long, and a 8 unit
building would be 160 feet long.
Collins felt the proposed project would create serious traffic , problems.
Mr. Gray also expressed the concern th; t traffic problems will arise.
Mr. Halich asked that the Public Safety Department investigate the possible
traffic problems.
Collins asked if the 400 foot buffer was measured from the property lines. Mr. Burg
replied it was measured from structure to structure.
Collins remarked that some of the existing homes would have roads on either side--
the loop street and the emergency access; and children will play in the streets
because ample play area is not provided. The planner said the Park & Recreation
Commission would discuss the recreational needs of the area.
Mr. Robert Mavis asked what the City's policy was on placing high density next
to single - family. Sorensen responded the City tries to accommodate all housing
types and is opposed to segregating housing types.
Feerick stated he shared Mr. Collins's concern • about'theexisting single family
exposure to the proposed roads.
Walter June asked if there was a recommended denslty for the property. Sorensen
responded that under PUD designations there are no restrictions on density.
Mr.. Hawthrone - asked what square footages the buildings would have. Burg replied
the units would be between 7,000-8,000 square- feet.
Collins felt the wildlife habitats would be disturbed by the project. Pautz stated
that 2/3 of the land is to be dedicated, and that there is no intentiond disturbing
the wildlife.
Approved
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Joseph Mischel said 90 % of the existing residents are opposed to the Edengate
' development.
Sorensen thanked the residents : for their concerns and suggested they continue
to submit their concerns..
Motion
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to refer the proposal to the staff for a . report.
• The motion carried unanimously.
B.' Lutheran Church in America , requesting rezoning from Rural to PUB or Quasi-
Public, for a '3.4 acre site, located on the south side of Pioneer Trail and
600 feet west of Homeward Hills Road
Mr. Robert Robinson of the Lutheran Church in America, stated the land has been
purchased from The Preserve. Sorensen asked if the land is owned outright.
Robinson said the purchase contract is subject to the property's rezoning.
Robinson said the building is proposed in two stages,with the northern half to be
developed first. Robbison felt that not all churches could be accommodated in
the Bluff neighborhood center.
Sorensen asked if tho.Lutheran Church in America* had explored the possibllties
of - sharing a facilitywith other churches . Robi-nson said such possibilities
• have been explored, but it is felt the best approach in areas of large Lutheran-
concentration is individual sites.
Lynch asked when the church intended to build. Robinson replied the church
expects to build in 5-10 years.
-Doctor Gary Peterson, of Immanuel Lutheran Church, felt future - City churches
should conform to City policy and be located in community centers. '
Bill Bonner of Hustads, felt the community centers are viable and can accommodate
a number of parishioners.
Mrs. Scobie asked how many acres are contained in the rezoning request. Mr.
Robinson replied 3.5 acres.
Mrs. Peterson expressed the concern that if the property is zoned to quasi-public
other permitted uses in that category will follow.
Motion:
Lynch moved, Fosnocht seconded , to refer the proposal to the staff for a report.
The motion carried unanimously.
Approved
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PLANNERS REPORT.
A. Upcoming Projects.
1. Preserve Areas G & H.
The planner reported that The Preserve will probably present area A before
areas G & `.H.
2 . Methodist Hospital Clinic i:n The Preserve.
The planner reported that. plans for a 50,000-60,000 square foot building
will probably be brought before the commission in March.
3. Teman/Bermel MCA properties.
The planner stated that Teman & Bermel have been asked to work with
The Preserve regarding areas G '& H.
4. Modern Tire Rezoning Request.
The planner reported that Modern Tire will be requesting rezoning and
an addition to their present building.
B. Status of Previous Commission Actions.
1. Cedar Forest 2nd Addition.
The planner summarized the Council's hearing on Cedar Forest and informed
the commission that the project had been denied by the Council.
2. Group Homes .
The planner reported that suggested changes would - be presented to the
Council at the Feb. 25th Council meeting.
3. PUD Ordinance.
• The planner reported that the Council would be discussing the matter
at the Feb. 25th Council meeting.
4. MCA Ordinance.
The planner reported that the Council would be discussing the matter at
the Feb. 25th Council meeting.
VI. ADTOURNMENT.
Feerick moved, Fosnocht seconded to adjourn at 12:15 AM. The motion
carried unanimously.
Respectively Submitted
Jean M. Egan
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