Planning Commission - 01/13/1975 AGENDA
isEden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, January 13, 1975
7:30 PM City Hall
Invocation --- Pledge of Allegiance --- Roll Call
COMMISSION MEMBERS :Norma Schee, Wayne Brown, Don Sorensen, Richard
Lynch, Joan Meyers, Roger Boerger, Herb Fosnocht
STAFF MEMBERS : Dick Putnam, Chris Enger, Jean Egan
7:30 I. INTRODUCTION OF NEW COMMISSION MEMBER ROGER BOERGER.
7:35 II. REAPPOINTMENT OF COMMISSION MEMBERS JOAN MEYERS & NORMA SCHEE.
7:40 III. ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
A. Chairperson
B. Vice Chairperson
C. Secretary
7:50 IV. MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 9, 1974 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
8:00 V. MEMBERS REPORT.
VI. REPORTS & RECOMMENDATIONS.
8:15 A. 4/5 Mini-Sector Study, discussion of study team's report dated January 6, 1975/
Suggested Action: recommend to the City Council the 4/5 Plan as presented
by the study team or a modification of the Plan.
9 B. Hikeway/Bikeway Task Force Report, discussion of the Hikeway/Bikeway
Task Force Report presented at the December 9th meeting. Summary of
important points
Action:recommend approval to the City Council of the Hikeway/Bikeway
Task Force Report as City guidelines in the development of a Ylikeway/
Bikeway system , and adoption of the basic backbone corridor system
for priority areas, or continue, or deny.
9:50 C. Cedar Forest 2nd Add. , by Joseph Semrad, requesting rezoning from Rural to
R 1-22 for 34 single family lots, preliminary plat approval, and possible landhold
agreement. The site is located east of Cedar Forest Ist addition and north
of Riley Creek.
Action: Recommend to the City Council approval of the rezoning from Rural to
R1-22 & preliminary plat for 34 single family lots, or continue , or
deny.
10:20 D. The Preserve Commercial Plan, 200 + acre concept plan for the land surrounding
the Eden Prairie Center in the MCA. Presentation of overall concept and staff
review of plan for Area F located south of 169 and the Ring Road intersection.
Action: receive for study the total concept plan ; for the 200 acre area and
recommend approval for Area F 's 34 acre commercial plan as modifiedr-1,
to the City Council , or continue, or deny.
11:00 E. Dietrich Co.., request for revision to the approved preliminary plat for Lake
Eden South. Engineering staff report previously distributed.
Action: recommend approval to the City Council of the revised plat for
Outlot A, Blocks 1-5/of Lake Eden South, or continue, or deny.
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11:15 F. Red Rock Hills, PUD, by John Houston, rezoning to R1-13.5 for 41 acres
northeast of Red Rock Lake and west of Scenic Heights . Requesting approval
for approximately 80 single family lots. The project has been reviewed by
the Park & Recreation Commission. Up-dated staff report attached.
Action: Recommend to the City Council approval of the rezoning to R1-13.5
and preliminary plat - approval in conformance with the up-dated
staff report, or continue, or deny.
VII. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS.
11:45 A. Chestnut Phase III, by New Town Development, for development phase approval
and . rezoning to permit medium density garden apartments ( 200 units ).
Action: Continue to the January 27, 1975 Planning Commission meeting for
a staff report.
12:00 VIII. PLANNER'S REPORT.
A. Ring Route Assessment questions.
B. Ring Route Time schedule.
C. MCA Development Ordinance. ( attached )
D. MCA Metro Council Review ( attached )
E. Land Development Ordinance - PUD revised ,# 93 lardWil'ehomes )
F. Titus Inc. , up-date on progress
IX. ADJOURNMENT.
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MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, January 13, 1975 7:30 City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Norma Schee, Don Sorensen, Richard Lynch, Joan Meyers ,
Roger Boeger
MEMBERS ABSENT: Wayne Brown, Herb Fosnocht
STAFF PRESENT: Dick Putnam, Jean Egan
I. INTRODUCTION OF NEW COMMISSION MEMBER ROGER BOEBGER.
Mrs. Schee introduced. Mr. Roger Boerger, a past Planning Commission and Council
member, as the new Planning Commission member.
II. REAPPOINTMENT OF COMMISSION MEMBERS MEYERS AND SCREE.
Schee announced the reappointment of Mrs. Joan Meyers and herself to the Planning
Commission. Schee added that she would not accept the chairperson position at
this election.
III. ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
A. Chairperson.
Meyers thanked Schee for her past service as Planning Commission Chairperson.
Meyers then moved, Schee seconded, to nominate Mr. Don Sorensen for the
chairperson position...Boerger m.ovQd, Lynch seconded, to close the nominations.
The motion to close the nominations ' carried unanimously. :Lynch moved., Boerger
sseohded to- u-narriniotisly abce�pt the nomination of Sorensen as Chairperson of the
Planning Commission. The motion carried with 4 ayes and 1 abstain ( Sorensen) .
B. Vice Chairperson.
Lynch moved to nominate Schee. Schee declined the nomination. Sorensen said
he would personally like Mrs . Schee to accept the nomination and offered the
nomination of Schee for the Vice Chairmanship a second time.
Lynch again* moved, Meyers seconded, to nominate Schee. Boe.rgermoved, Meyers
seconded to close the nominations. The motion to close the nominations carried
unanimously. The motion to elect Schee as Vice Chairperson. carried ajtstain-
'Ing,
C. Secretary.
Meyers moved, Boerger seconded, to nominate Lynch as Secretary. The motion
carried 4:1'with Lynch abstaining .
IV. MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 9, 1974 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
P. 1,II B,2IP- sp. January. IIIA, 11P-residents not environment, sp. of previously, &
5th line should read . . . to inspect the amendment for its legality and confor-
mance.
P.2, 2F, sp. of successful , 3F, " could " not would, 4th P ( 1st & 4th lines ) "should"
not would .. '
P.5, 3rd&4th F should read "community commercial centers" not commercial centers .
P. 6 , sp. exposure.
P. 8,4th If sp. primary, 5th )F sp. vatiety , 6th F should read 936-1 , 100 sq. ft.
P. 9 , recommendation # 12 should read ;
Minimum side setbacks 5 feet
Minimum distance between houses 15 feet
Minimum distance between house & garage 10 feet
Minimum distance between garage & garage 10 feet
Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to accept the minutes as published and corrected.
The motion carried"unanimou sly.
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V. MEMBER'S REPORT.
Meyers reported the Council had authorized and awarded the bid for the MCA Rjp_ort
printing at their last meeting. sr=;
Meyers reported the Council will reconsider the matter of the Council liaison with
commissions and boards at the February 4th meeting. She said suggested substitu-
tions for the liaison are; council members serving as ex-off.icio members , appointed
commissions and advisory board members could report at Council meetings, or
meetings between the Council and commissions and boards could be scheduled.
Sorensen asked if the main concern was the amount of time Council members must
devote on various boards and commissions. Meyers replied affirmative.
Sorensen suggested the commission urge the Council to retain Meyers as an active
Voting member of the Planning Commission. Sorensen then directed the staff to
place the item on the commission's following agenda:
VI. REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
A. 4/5 Mini-Sector Study, discussion of study team's report dated January 6, 1975.
The planner reported that.the staff report was mailed to most residents and interested
persons who attended the 4/5 meetings.
Schee asked if the Holiday Station Stores Incorpbrated still had an option on the
station in the southwest corner of '4&5 . The planner said the option validity wild;
probably have to be decided by the courts . ;Fsb
Schee questioned if a community commercial area could occur somewhere along
Valley View Road instead of at the 4/5 intersection. The planner replied that it
is possible,but for reasons stated in the report the study team is recommending
community commerical development .in the northwest corner of 4&5 .
Sorensen suggested that a community commercial site near and/or around the "Little
Red Store, away from major access roads , may be more desirable . The planner
said the study team believes sites near the Red Sthre would be too small and difficult
to screen from the existing single family.
Schee expressed the concern that .it would be dangerous for residents east of Co. Rd.4
to cross Co. Rd. 4 .
Lynch asked how large the Minnesota Valley Tree site is . The planner responded
that it is approximately 4-5 acres in size.
The planner said a community commercial center could be located north of Valley
View Road on the school property , but doubted whether the school district would
favor commercial development next to a school.
The planner reported that traffic studies by BRW show less traffic generated. by ..�
commercial than by office or multiple because commercial generates less traffic
during peak hours than the other uses.
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Meyers asked if the trips/day would be reduced on Highway 5 if 212 is built within
10�-15 years. The planner stated that traffic projections for T. H. 5 are higher
• than those projected for 212 because more people live and _ work along T.H. 5.
Meyers asked if construction of 212 would preclude T.H.- 5 as a freeway. The planner
did' ' not feel it would but believes T.HS's up-grading to a freeway presents many
problems , i.e. acquisition, building over the railroad tracks, access to industry,
buffering of the existing single. family, etc.
Sorensen asked if greater setbacks from T.H. 5 should be required so the option
of 212 being constructed in the future can be exercised. The planner said such
a freeway could probably be built with the existing right-of-way.
Sorensen then questioned why the library on Cd. Rd. 4 is mentioned as a temporary
structure in the report. The planner said the library may remain as a branch but
the City desires to have the regional library in the regional centnr .
Lynch expressed the concern that traffic on 4&5 is already congested and new
development without improved roads would make the existing congestion worse.
The planner agreed, adding that state and county roads are improved only after
traffic warrants.
Meyers suggested .developerscontribuinto the safetyimprovements & road
up-grading along T.H. 5 which would be necessary to accommodate any
mew development. Contributions by landowners for new and existing
development was also discussed.
Lynch asked what percentage of land within the study area is being recommended
for a zoning. change by the study team. The planner replied that approximately
80% of the study area may be recommended for a zoning change.
The planner informed the commission and audience that a public hearing before the
Council regarding the 4/5 Mini-Sector Study would be held the following evening.
Motion: Schee moved, Lynch seconded, to continue the 4/5 Mini-Sector Study
discussion to the January 27th meeting.
Sorensen then turned to the floor for discussion.
Mr. Roger Derrick, of the Derrick Land Co. , stated that the Derrick Company
purchased the Cohen-Fuller property along with the PUD,and that the Standard Oil
Company still owns the 7 acre parcel .in the southeast corner of 495 . He added
that .if there is a taking in the form of down zoning they would expect damages .
Mr.' Jim Gillespie, representing Eden Land Corporation, said they have been unsuc-
cessful in leasing commercial space at their Mitchell/Valley View site because
of the possibility of commercial 1i• 4&5 . He added that if commercial development is
approved at 4&5,Eden Land will be requesting commercial zoning at their Mitchell
and Highway 5 site.
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Mrs. Riegerr, from Prairie Lawn & Garden, asked if the Council could hold a i
public hearing without a Planning Commission recommendation. Sorensen
replied affirmative.
Vote: The motion carried 4:1 with Sorensen voting nay.
B. Hikeway / Bikeway Task Force Report; Discussion of the Hikeway/ Bikeway
Task Force Report presented at the 'December 9th meeting.
Sorensen asked when the Council would have the item on their agenda. Meyers
said it is on the Council' s January 28th agenda.
Motion: Schee moved,Boerger seconded, to recommend approval to the City Council
of the Hikeway/Bikeway Task Force Report as a guideline in the develop-
ment of the City's Hikeway/ Bikeway system, and adoption of the basic
backbone system. The motion carried unanimously.
C. Cedar Forest 2nd Addition, by Joseph Semrad, requesting rezoning from Rural to
R1-22 for 34 single family homes, preliminary plat approval, and recommended'land'-
hold agreement. The site is located east of Cedar Forest 1st addition and north
of Riley Creek.
The planner referred the commission to the memo regarding Ordinance 135 notiOes .
and the staff report which recommends approval of the Semrad request in conjunc-
tion with a. landhold agreement on the remaining property. On a diagram the
planner outlined the approximate ridge line of Riley Creek on the back lot lines
of lots 1-9 on Cedar Crest Drive. He suggested ' that if homes are bulit on the
south side of Cedar Crest, they should not encroach on the drop-off. The planner
said a grading plan would be needed to accurately determine where the ridge line
occurs.
After reviewing, the recommendation in the staff report the planner said the staff
recommends alternate. # 3 .
Lynch asked if the northern cul-de-sac on the proposed plat would be extended
in the future . ;Mr. Semrad said the road was ojigi�na_Ily_-planned as a through street
and that it will be possible to extend it .
Lynch- then asked the Semrads if they would be doing any building themselves.
Mr. Semrad replied that they do not intend to .do all:the building and•that some of
the building will•,be custom building.
Meyers .said she did not feel it appraprjatelPrefer to Dorenkempers situation
in the report recommendations and asked that 3b be reworded to protect the City.
Boetger asked if granting approval of Semrad`s request would set a precedence i
in the area. 'The planner responded that neither the City attorney or he expects
similar situations to occur in western Eden Prairie.
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Sorensen asked if the development conformed to the Flood Plain Ordinance.
The planner responded that the areas along the creek did not.conform.
Meyers asked the Semrads if they are willing to meet the conditions under
alternate # 3 . The Semrads responded they would if required , but dislike
losing the lots along the creek.
Motion: Schee moved, . Lynch seconded , to recommend approval "of the rezoning
from Rural to R1-22 for the land outlined on the plan dated 8-28-74 based
upon the recommendations on pages 4 & 5 in the staff report dated 1-9-75,
and to direct the City attorney to reword item 3b.
Discussion:.
Boerger suggested the 2nd sentence under "Recommendations" on page 5
be deleted. Sorensen suggested deleting the words "precedence"
through "and" in that same sentence.
Sorensen's suggestion was acceptable to Schee and Lynch.
Vote: The motion carried 3:2, with Meyers and Sorensen voting nay.
�. The Preserve Commercial Plan; 200+ acre concept plan for the land surrounding
_Me Eden Prairie Center in the MCA. Presentation of overall concept and staff
review of plan for Area F located south of 169 and the Ring Road intersection.
Meyers asked if the request i:sfor specific rezoning for a health care facility.
The planner replied that rezoning to a PUD concept plan is being requested.
Meyers suggested special treatment =. be required on the east side of the Preserve's
proposal to adequately buffer uses from the existing single family to the west.
Mr. Galpin, of Development Concepts, replied that the single family existing
will be respected.
Schee asked if the Park & Recreation Commisssion had reviewed the Preserve
Commercial Plan. The planner replied that the Park & Recreation Commission
had approved the concept prior to the up-dated 'staff report . and plan.
Motion: Meyers moved, Schee seconded, to recommend to the City Council
PUD approval for the 29 acres of Area F contained in the Preserve
Commercial Plan for Regional-Service-Office and High Density Multiple
use based upon the revised plat reviewed at the Planning Commission's
January 13th meeting, the December 20, 1974 staff report, and
recommendations 3 ,4,&5 of the December 1, 1974 staff report.
The motion carried unanimously.
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Mr. Galpin asked if the approval could also entail preliminary plat approval for
Area F. Sorensen asked why the approval was needed at this time. Galpin
replied that it is necessary for identification of parcels for sale purposes
Sorensen asked the planner for his comments. The planner foresaw no problems
in approval of the preliminary plat submitted as long as it meets the City Engineer's
standards.
Mr. Galpin then asked if it would be possible for the commission to make a
statement regarding the Preserve Cbmmercial Plan's conformance with the MCA
Guide Plan. Sorensen replied -the* commission and staff has not had the
time to completely review the entire plan. Don Hess, of The Preserve , said
The Preserve would be willing to present the entire plan to the commission if the
commission was willing to hold a special meeting. The planner felt a total
presentation,would be valuable,butthe City Council policy on granting
approvals in the MCA before the MCA assessment hearings are concluded should
be known ` prior to the presentation.
Sorensen said the commission would appreciate a presentation of the overall
concept and suggested it be postponed until after the MCA assessment ruling.
Motion: Schee moved,Boerger seconded, to recommend to the City Council
approval of the revised preliminary plat of Area F. The motion carried
unanimously.
E. Dietrich Co. , request for revision to the approved preliminary plat for Lake
Eden South.
The planner said the revised plat would prevent unnecessary filling of the low
area and increase the open space.
Meyers asked if the 2" water pipe referred to on page 2 of the engineer's report
would cause pressure problems. Mr. Hagen said the 2" pipe is sufficient and
provides fresher water.
Motion: Lynch moved, Schee seconded, to recommend to the City Council
approval of the revised plat of Outlot A, Blocks 1-5, of Lake Eden
South per the engineers report dated December 1974. The motion carried
unanimously.
F. Red Rock Hills . PUD, by John Houston, rezoning to R1-13 .5 for 41 acres northeast
of Red Rock Lake and west of Scenic Heights. Reque sting approval for approximately
80 single family lots.
Sorensen questioned the configuration of lots 9 & 10 . Mr. Houston agre.edthat the
lots were unconventional but said the lots will be large and have very good views .
Mr, Houston said the revised plat has cut the number of lots from 84 to 80. He .
added that he will furnish a 15 foot right-of-way for a path on the east side of the
development..
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• Sorensen asked Mr. Houston if he had conferred with Mr. Zachman about a. shared
path on the east side. Houston said he had briefly talked to Mr. Zachman.
Schee asked if.another access besides Red Rock Road was possible. The planner
felt a 2nd access would be possible during the next phase of development.
Schee then asked if the northern pond would be an outlot. Mr. Houston replied
he would rather dedicate it to the City.
Paul Berge, 8291 Red Rock Road, asked how many lots would be around the first
cul-de-sac. Houston replied that there would be about 7 lots around the cul-
de-sac.
Schee asked-Mr. Houston if he is willing to combine lots 9 & 10 into 1 lot.
Houston answered he would combine them if necessary.
Sorensen asked if any of the lots were under 13.5 . Houston pointed-out the 8 lots
which are under 13 .5.
Motion: Schee moved, Boerger seconded, - to recommend to the City Council
approval of the Red Rock Hills PUD with :
1. item 4 in the December 4, 1974 staff report to be resolved
• with the staff.
2. lots 9 & 10 combined into 1 lot.
3 o all recommendations in both staff reports ( 12-4-74 & 1-9775 )
be fulfilled.
Discussion:
Referring to recommendation 5 in the December 4 staff report,. Moyers
asked if the number of homes to be constructed iri the first phase
should be delineated at this time. The planner suggested the engineering
department decide how many homes would be suitable in the first phase .
Sorensen asked if 30 homes in the first phase would be reasonable.
Mr. Houston replied affirmative.
Sorensen asked if the street off of Red Rock Road would be suffaced
during construction. Mr. Houston said it would have a base surface
until construction is completed.
Amendment:
Sorensen moved to amend the motion to include dust and noise measures
as acceptable to the staff be implemented during construction.
The amendment was acceptable to Schee and Boerger.
Vote: The motion carried with 4 ayes and 1 nay ( Lynch ).
Lynch voted nay because he felt the plan could have been further refined.
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VII. PETITIONS AND REQUESTS. •
A. Chestnut Phase III, bar New Town Development, for development phase approval
and rezoning to permit, medium density garden apartments. ( 200 units )o
The planner reported that no report had been completed to-date.
Mr. Ken Thompson reviewed the site plan of 200 apartment units some of which
are along the base of the hill.
Schee asked if the developer had received a copyof the Watershed District letter
regarding the Chestnut proposal. Mr. Thompson said they had read the letter
and agree that the plan does encroach a little into the flood plain but at the same
time the plan preserves the hill.
Sorensen noted that less than 1 covered parking space/unit is proposed.
Motion: Lynch moved, Meyers seconded, to continue the item to the January 27 th
meeting. The. motion carried unanimously.
VIII. PLANNER'.S REPORT.
A. Ring Road Assessment questions.
The planner referred to Mrs. Meyers. Meyers reportedthat the Council heard the
objections and concerns of those who disagreed with the assessment and
that the Council suggested the objecting persons meet among themselves and the
staff.
B. Ring Route Time- schedule.
The planner stated he hopes' the Council will take a strong stand on the Ring
Route Time schedule.
C. MCA Development Ordinance.
The planner said the staff is seeking the Council's recommendations on the
various alternatives before proceeding with an outline.
D. MCA Metro Council Review.
Not covered.
E. .Land Development Ordinance, revised PUD Ord. , Ord. # 93 , mobile home ord.
The planner asked that the staff be notified when the commission desires to review
such ordinances.
F. Titus Inc. , up--date on progress.
The planner reported that the church council is expected to review the proposal
the first week of February.
IX. ADJOURNMENT.
D erger moved, Schee seconded, to adjourn at 1:40 am. The motion carried
unanimously.
Respectively Submitted
Jean M. Egan