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Planning Commission - 06/22/1981 June 18, 1981 • Mayor Wolfgang Penzel City of Eden Prairie 8950 Eden Prairie Road Eden Prairie, Mn. 55343 Dear Mayor Penzel: The Homeowner Associations of Fairway Wood, I and II, have reviewed the final plans of the amended Fairway Woods development plan as approved by -the city council. We note a requirement in the approval calling for a S' wide concrete sidewalk within the right-of-way of proposed Fairway Drive extending from Mitchell Road to Valley View. The original Fairway �bod plan set forth Fairway Drive as a private road. That portion of Fairway Drive, constructed when the original first phase was developed, is and has been privately owned and maintained. The amended plan, one that our associations concur with, calls for the existing road to be rebuilt to public standards and dedicated to the city simultaneous with the development of the first phase of the amended plan. The sidewalk requirement apparently is part of that consideration. Our associations have considered this requirement and have concluded that we would prefer not to have the sidewalk constructed. We feel that the sidewalk • is unnecessary and that its inclusion would encourage outside pedestrian through traffic between Valley View and Mitchell Road. We further concluded that any additional hard surface material would only detract from our serene setting. We have discussed this matter with Mr. Laukka, Laukka & Associates, and he suggested that we write to you regarding our concerns. We are willing to appear at the city council when Mr. Laukka comes before you with his final plan to further advance our position. We look forward to the continuation of this development and would appreciate your consideration of this request. FAIRWAY WOOD HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION By A , -7;�/., -e-�,' Ifs , FAIRWAY WOODS CONDOMINIUM I ASSOCIATION By Its -�-� FAIRWAY WOODS CONDOMINIUM II ASSOCIATION Its AGENDA Eden Prairie Planning Commission Monday, June 22, 1981 7:30 PM, City Hall MEMBERS: Chairman William Bearman, Liz Retterath, Matthew Levitt, Grant Sutliff, Virginia Gartner, Hakon Torjesen, Robert Hallett STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Director of Planning Sue Schulz, Planning Secretary Pledge of Allegiance - Roll Call I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA II. APPROVAL OF JUNE 8, 1981 MINUTES III. MEMBERS REPORTS IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. FAIRWAY WOODS 3 ,by Laukka & Associates. Request to preliminary plat 15 acres zoned RM 2.5 for 120 condominiums. Located northwest of existing Fairway Woods Condos. A public hearing. B. TIMBER CREEK, by B-T Land Co. Request for PUD Development stage approval , rezoning from Rural to RM 6.5 and R1-13.5 and preliminary platting of 94 single family lots, 120 town- houses, and 108 quadraminiums. Located north of Duck Lake !frail and south of 62nd Street. A public hearing. C. THORN CREEK PLAT, by Meat Cutters Pension Fund. Request for preliminary plat approval of 8 lots on 61 acres for commercial and office uses. Located east and adjacent to US 169-212 and north of Valley View Road, A public hearing. D. BLUFFS EAST, by Hustad Development Corporation. Request for PUD Development stage approval , rezoning from Rural to RM 6.5, and preliminary platting of 106 townhouses. Located in the southwest corner of Co. Rd. 1 and Franlo Road. A public hearing. E. EDENVALE 14th, by Equitable Life Assurance Society of the US and Equitable Life Mortgage and Realty Investors. Request for revised PUD Development stage approval ,, rezoning from R1-13.5 to RM 6.5 for approximately 15 of the 24 acres, dnd preliminary plat approval of 30 single family lots and 56 duplex lots. Located NW of Edenvale Blvd. , southeast of railraod, and north and west of Woodhill Trail . A public hearing. V. OLD BUSINESS VI. NEW BUSINESS VII. PLANNER'S REPORT VIII. ADJOURNMENT } 4 MINUTES EDEN PRIAIRI€ PLANNING COMMISSION :approved Monday, June 22, 1981 7:30 PM, City Hall MEMBERS PRESENT: William Bearman, Matthew Levitt, Grant Sutliff, Virginia Gartner, Hakon Torj- esen, Robert Hallett MEMBERS ABSENT: Liz Retterath STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger, Director of Planning Sue Schulz, Planning Secretary I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Levitt moved to approve the agenda as submitted. Sutliff seconded, motion carried 6-0. II. APPROVAL OF JUNE 8, 1981 MINUTES Levitt moved to approve the 'June 8, 1981 minutes with the following additions and/or changes: p. 4 5th para7 , delete .the word ' legally' and insert 'desireability' 7th para. , dhange the words starting with 'could` to the rest of the sentance to: had less reservations concerning lots 1 and 2, but had more about lots 5 and 6. p. 5 last para. , add 'possibility of 'seeing a working model . ' p. 6 1st para. , change wording ofo�'topogrophy of the site' to: topographic relationship of the land to other land around the site' Sutliff seconded, motion carried 4-0-2. (Gartner and Hallett abstained) III. MEMBERS REPORTS None IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. FAIRWAY WOODS 3RD, by Laukka & Associates. Request to pre- liminary plat 15 acres zondd RM 2.5 for 120 condominiums. Located northwest of existing Fairway Woods Condos. A public hearing. Bearman stated that the Fairway Woods Homeowners Associations for Fairway Woods I and II have submitted a petition whic— should_ be made part of the minutes. ' The Planner `reviewed the request, and stated that Mr. Frank Burg, BRW, and Mr. Larry Laukka were present to give the presentation. ,japproved Planning Commission Minutes June 22, 1981 Burg reviewed the location and surrounding land uses. He stated that they are • proposing to develop the land in four phases. He reviewed the sanitary -sewer system, water system and the final connection for the watermain, and stated that the grading conforms to City requirements made at the time the site plan was approved. The Planner reviewed the staff report dated 6/18/81 and stated that the City Staff suggests there be a §idewalk installed along one side of the through road because of the amount of traffic generated in this dense of an area. Levitt asked the amount of parking. The Planner replied that the ordinance requires Y ext6riorandI interior parking space per unit. He further stated that the proponent has provided 1 garage space/unit and one exterior space directly behind the garage. Since the ordinance requires that spaces be unobstructed, additional guest parking is provided off the street at the rate of .5/unit. Torjesen asked the reasoning for a continuous sidewalk, uninterrupted by the blacktop -.cross driveways. The Planner replied that smooth continuity of the sidewalk was important, and that the driveways were more able to match the sidewalk grade with bituminous than vice versa. Torjesen questioned the recommendation for curbing of the parking areas in the staff report. The Planner stated that 1) it is contiguous to public road with curbing; ' 2) it provides a clean break between parking and the lawn; 3) curbing prevents asphalt from flowing and therefore will prolong its life; acid 4) curbing is part of the storm sewer system. Torjesen expressed his concern for the amount of concrete on the site. The Planner replied that these were engineering requirements necessary for the proper main- tenance and service of the site. Bearman asked why there will only be 1 tennis court. Laukka replied because of fldodplain requirements and the amount of fill needed for two. Laukka stated that they will install the sidewalk but stated that the neighbors do not want it constructed. He stated that he felt that a sidewalk will encourage pedestrian traffic to(,get from Mitchell Road to Valley View Road. Don Anderson, 14312 Fairway Woods Drive, representing the Homeowners Association, stated that they oppose the sidewalk because it will eliminate 2 of the knoll which is presently used as a--buffer. He also asked the status of the hikeway/ bikeway trail that is being constructed by the City. The Planner replied that the trail will link with Valley View Road and Mitchell Road. Levitt stated the he felt that people would use the sidewalk if constructed instead of the street. Levitt asked the width of the street now. Anderson replied 20' but 8 more will be added. The Planner stated that 28' will include the curb with 6' of boulevard and a 5' sidewalk. Hallett asked if the sidewalk could be reduced in width, The Planner replied he would talk to the City Engineer regarding that issue and about the parking along the ROW. Steve Cherne, 6931 Raven Court asked if congestion would be caused on the streets by Edenvale 14th Add. The Planner stated that Mitchell Road will be able to handle the traffic, while Valley View Road is planned as a 4 lane road in the future., approved Planning 'Commission Minutes -3�. June 22, 1981 Joe Moran, 15820 So. Eden Drive asked if the sidewalk will be paved, and compli- mented the work done in the Purgatory Creek Valley in the Minnetonka area which is made of fine gravel . The Planner replied the sidewalk would be concrete, because it would be within the road ROW in a heavy use area. Sutliff asked how the road will be finished. Burg replied that it will be built to the end of the 1st phase with a temporary turn-around, and with the second phase would be completed all the way north to Valley View Road. MOTION 1 Gartner moved to close the public hearing on Fairway Woods 3vd prel-iminar pfiat. Sutliff seconded, motion carried 6-0. MOTION 2 Gartner moved to recommend to the City Council approval of the Fairway Woods 3rd preliminary plat dated 5/29/81 as per the 6/18/81 staff report eliminating para- graph #2 of background, and #1 of the recommendations. Levitt seconded. DISCUSSION Sutliff asked that a temporary turn-around be done as phases are completed. Gartner agreed. The Planner stated that there has been talk with the engineering department and that it has been decided that a temporary turn-around will be put in, but when phase II is finished, the road will continue to Valley View Road, Torjesen stated that he felt that that would add to the asphalt problem. Hallett stated that he would like to see a sidewalk but further stated that it should be reduced. Bearman stated he agreed. AMENDMENT TO MOTION Torjesen moved to amend the motion adding the provision that staff be instructed to work with the developer to work out the sidewalk problems. Hallett seconded, motion carried 3-1-2. (Bearman, Torjesen, and Hallett voted 'aye' , Levitt voted no, and Sutliff and Gartner abstained) Original motion as amended, carried 6-0. B. TIMBER CREEK, by B-T Land Co. Request for PUD Development stage approval , rezoning from Rural to RM 6.5 and R1-13:5 and prelim- , inary platting of 94 single family lots, 120 townhouses, and 108 quadraminiums. Located north of Duck Lake Trail and south of 62nd Street. A public hearing. The Planner stated that Mr. Jack Lynch, BRW, and Rick Murray of B-T Land Co. were present to give the presentation. Lynch reviewed the concept plan that was approved in 1980, the current plan, and stated that it is basically the same plan. The Planner reviewed the staff report dated 6/18/81.and asked that no action be taken on phase IV because of needed revisions. - • Sutliff asked if single family will be a part of phase III. The Planner replied yes, Levitt asked if the park located in the southwest corner of the site is active open space. The Planner replied yes. approved Planning Commission Minutes -4- June 22, 1981 Levitt stated that he was concerned with the density of the project, and asked if Townline Road needs to be improved. The Planner stated that Townline Road has been surfaced, but further stated that the profile has not been approved. Levitt asked if more floodplain area is being preserved. The Planner replied yes. Levitt asked the acreage of phase IV. Lynch replied 25 acres with 112 units. The Planner stated that when phases I-III have been completed, there will be 50 acres left-over. Sutliff asked the acreage in the floodplain. The Planner replied 32 acres. Torjesen stated that he was concerned about the density transfers. The Planner recommended that the project be continued to work out the problems with phase IV. Murray stated that if setbacks would become a problem in phase IV, they will move the buildings back. The Planner explained density transfer. Bearman asked how far the cul-de-sac in Block 4 will be moved. The Planner replied 80-100 feet. Bearman then asked if that will eliminate 2 lots. The Planner stated that he felt that'i:f the area would be redesigned that the woods could be preserved. Paul Choiniere, 15819 No. Eden Drive explained that he felt that the location is wrong for this project, the plan is incomplete, and stated his understanding that • when this project was before the City Council , it was to be considered as one project rather than phases or sections. He also stated that he felt that the street going through Chatham Woods will end up a traffic jam which would be a serious problem. He also stated his concern for the floodplain, and felt that there should not be massive grading. Joe Morin, 15820 So. Eden Drive, stated that he would like to see a complete plan before this proposal is approved. Bill Sonasal , 16689 Honeysuckle Lane, was concerned with the amount of traffic that will be at the Co. Rd.. 4 and Duck Lake Road intersection, The Planner stated that there will be a 90° intersection there in the future, but felt that mbre traffic would go to Valley View Road. Levitt asked the number of units proposed on the north and south half of the site if the creek were used as a divider. Morin replied 222 on the north half and 200 on the south half. Levitt asked about recommendation #3 in the staff report. The Planner replied that there would be a mass grade of phase I and then be restored before any grading would occur on phases II, III, or IV. Torjesen asked if the land allocation allows for waiting for definite plans for phase IV. The Planner stated that it would be most equitable for each phase to have land with it. Torjesen asked if the City Council stated that the site should be approved at once. , The Planner stated that he recalled that the open space should be dedicated to the City. approved Planning Commission Minutes -5- June 22, 1981 • MOTION Gartner moved to continue the public hearing to July 13, 1981. Torjesen seconded; motion carried 6-0. C. THORN CREEK PLAT, by Meat Cutters Pension Fund. Request for preliminary plat approval of 8 lots on 61 acres for commercial and office uses. Located west and adjacent to US 169-212 and north of Valley View Road. A public hearing. The Planner stated that this was approved as a CRUD Concept in 1980 and further stated that rezoning would come in the future. He introduced Mr. David Kirscht and Mr. Rick Sathre representing the Meat Cutters. Kirscht gave a brief slide presentation which oovered the location, drainage, the approved plan, the modified plan, roads, grading plan, slopes, access points, and vegetation. Sathre reviewed the elevations, and stated that the proponent will comply' to the recommendations of the staff report but have concerns regarding the retaining wall , the sidewalk, and the additional 17` of ROW to be added to Co. Rd. 39. The Planner reviewed the staff report dated 6/19/81 and explained his concerns for the retaining wall ; 1) the liability problem, and 2) that the details have not been done. He also stated that he would talk with Hennepin County about the 17' of ROW. • Levitt asked the uses that are approved. The Planner replied office, restaurant and office/residential . Hallett stated that he felt that a sidewalk was unnecessary for this project. He also asked the cost of the sidewalk to the developer. The Planner replied .approx. $8-10 per lineal foot. Leo Utecht, Administrator for the Meat Cutters, stated that he felt that a sidewalk is not practical . Paul Enblom, 10610 Valley View Road, stated that he favors the revised plan and that he likes the preservation of the trees. Sutliff asked if the office/residential buildings would be high-rise buildings. Utecht replied they would be 10-20,000 sq. ft. . 1 or ".2 story buildings where people could live. Kirscht stated that the proponent is working on the boulder retaining wall problem. Torjesen stated that he was concerned about the two access points onto Valley View Road and asked if the northern access has been aligned with Michelangelo Gardens. Kirscht replied that the proponent will be coming back for signage so people will know which road is the main entrance, and that the northern road does align. MOTION 1 • Torjesen moved to close the public hearing on the Thorn Creek Plat. Gartner seconded, motion carried 6-0. -approved Planning Commission Minutes -6- June 22, 1981 MOTION 2 Torjesen moved to recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat dated 5/18/80 as per the staff report dated 6/19/81 with the following changes: 1. Delete #8 of the staff recommendations and insert 'ask City Staff to work with the Highway Department concerning the right-of-way to be dedicated along Co. -.Rd. 139. ADD: 10. Ask Staff to work with the developer to come up with a solution for a pedestrian circulation concept. 11. Ask Staff and developer to work on access, saving trees, add that if structures are to be in the ROW, that -they. be approved- by the City Engineer. Sutliff seconded. DISCUSSION Hallett stated that if the proponent would come back requesting condominiums, he would like to see a sidewalk, but did not feel it was necessary in this project. Motion carried 6-0. D. BLUFFS EAST, by Hustad Development Corporation. Request for PUD Development stage approval , rezoning from Rural to RM 6:5, and preliminary platting of 106 townhouses. Located in the southwest corner of Co. Rd. 1 and Franlo Road. A public hearing. The Planner introduced Mr. Dick Putnam and Rick Sathre of Hustad Development Corp. Putnam introduced Mr. Wally Hustad of Hustad Development Corp. Hustad reviewed the original proposal which was before the Planning Commission in 1977, and stated that the majority of the land along the creek will be extremely expensive single family, but also stated that they are trying to mix the price range. Putnam went over the location, grading plan, and showed a model of Orrin Thompson Homes. Sathre further reviewed grading and access points. The Planner reviewed the staff report dated June 19, 1981 and stated that the grading plan is difficult to read because of the contours of the land and because of the size of the site. He also stated that the private lanes should be made according to City standards. Sutliff asked how much space is provided between the housing and the garages. Putnam replied 15 - 22' . • Sutliff also asked if there would be four owners. Putnam replies yes. approved Planning Commission Minutes -7- June 22, 1981 • Levitt asked if there is shoreland to this site. The Planner replied it is 300' in excess of it. Levitt stated that he would like Franlo Road improved. Torjesen asked the plans for the land to the west of the site and the Reichow property. Putnam replied the western portion is owned by Mr. McDonald who is un- decided, and stated that the Reichows would like to live there, relocate Mr. Reichow's shop, and further stated that the proponent would like rezoning for the Reichow property in case the Reichows decide to sell .in the future. Gary Branson, 9931 Cromwell Drive, stated that he was opposed, and asked what can be done to let his opposition known. Bearman replied he could put a petition together and write letters. He further stated that the City Council is the deciding body. Dan Foley, 9850 Franlo Road, asked how many children would live in the multiple units. Putnam replied .8 child per unit. Bill Peters, 10490 Buckingham Drive, stated that he was concerned- with the drainage pond. Ted Finholg, 10010 Pioneer Trail , stated that he was concerned with traffic. Bill Peters stated that there is no place for bicyclers to ride because of the traffic. The Planner replied that the City has a bike trail going through on Co. Rd. 1. • Glen Johnson, 9810 Cromwell Drive, asked if there will be an average of 8 trips/day. The Planner replied yes. Johnson then asked what percentage of the traffic is expected to travel on Co. Rd. 1. The Planner stated that most of the traffic will go to a signal light on Co. Rd. 18 and Anderson Lakes Parkway intersection. Bill Peters asked if the trees along Co. Rd. 1 would be sheered off. Putnam replied the trees in front of the Reichow property would remain. Glen Johnson asked if a storm sewer is part of this plan, and if so, where do the assessments come for that. The Planner replied that yes, it is part of the plan, and stated that the assessments would come from Olympic Hills 3rd Corporation and Hustads. Glen Johnson asked if this proposal is consistent with the plans for Eden Prairie. Hustad replied yes. Rosanne Richgruber, 9890 Cromwell Drive, stated that she was concerned for the property values of the proposed housing as compared to the values of the existing housing in this area. Dan Foley stated that he was concerned with the amount of traffic on Franlo Road. The Planner replied that there will be a sidewalk along the road, and stated that the improvements to be made on the intersection of Co. Rd. 18 and 1 will help. MOTION 1 Gartner moved to close the public hearing on Bluffs East. Levitt seconded, motion carried 6-0. •approved Planning Commission Minutes -8- June 22, 1981 MOTION 2 Gartner moved to recommend approval of the PUD Development stage approval and re- zoning from Rural to RM 6.5 as per the 5128/81 plans and the 6/19/81 staff report adding the storm sewer overflow pipe. Hallett seconded. DISCUSSION Torjesen asked if item lc was necessary as listed in the staff report. Gartner replied it should remain for the City Council . Torjesen stated he was concerned that the Reichow property will stand alone. Hallett asked if the Reichows are informed of this project. Putnam replied that they know and are in Europe now. Bearman stated that he does not want to see a new access point on Pioneer Trail . The Planner stated that the recommendation was for everything but excluding the zoning for the Reichow property. The Commission stated that they realized this. Hallett asked that paragraph #2 of the staff report be made #8 of the recommendations. Gartner agreed. Motion carried 5-1. Sutliff voted no. E. EDENVALE 14TH, by Equitable Life Assurance Society of the • US and Equitable Lffe Mortgage and Realty Investors. Request for revised PUD Development stage approval, rezoning from R1-13.5 to RM 6.5 for approximately 15 of the 24 acres, and preliminary prat approval of 30 single family lots and 56 duplex lots. Located NW of Edenvale Blvd. , southeast of railroad, and north and west of Woodhill Trail . A public hearing. The Planner replied that Mr. Dick Krier was present and requests a continuance to work out problems. MOTION Levitt moved to continue the public hearing to Jdly'13, 1981 on Edenvale 14th. Gartner seconded, motion carried 6-0. V. OLD BUSINESS None VI . NEW BUSINESS None VII. PLANNER'S REPORT The Planner went over the projects to be on the agenda for July 13, 1981. Torjesen expressed his concern over the construction going on without permits at City West. . approved Planning Commission Minutes -9- June 22, 1981 The Commission agreed that a motion should be made to ask the City Council to pursue any sanctions for the City West project. MOTION Torjesen moved to ask the City Council to pursue any and all avenues of recourses against ADI. Levitt seconded, motion carried 6-0. VIII. ADJOURNMENT Levitt moved to adjourn the meeting at 12:50 PM. Sutliff seconded, motion carried 6-0. •