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Planning Commission - 11/23/1987 AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION Monday, November 23, 1987 7:30 p.m. COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman Ed Schuck, Richard Anderson, Julianne Bye, Christine Dodge, Doug Fell , Robert Hallett, Charles Ruebling STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Michael Franzen, Senior Planner; Don Uram, Assistant Planner; Sue Anderson, Recording Secretary Pledge of Allegiance--Roll Call I . APPROVAL OF AGENDA II. MEMBERS REPORTS III. MINUTES IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS (7:35) A. SOUTHGATE, by William Smith. Request for Zoning District Change from R1-22 to R1-13.5 on 2.3 acres, and Preliminary Plat of 2.3 acres into six single family lots and road right-of-way. Location: North of St. Andrew Drive, west of Baker Road, east of Prairie View Drive. A public hearing. V. OLD BUSINESS VI . NEW BUSINESS A. Wooddale Baptist Church VII. PLANNER'S REPORT VIII . ADJOURNMENT *NOTE: THE TIMES LISTED ABOVE ARE TENTATIVE, AND MAY BE SIGNIFICANTLY EARLIER, OR LATER, THAN LISTED. MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION Monday, November23, 1987 City Council Chambers 7: 30 PM MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Ed Schuck, Charles Ruebling, Robert Hallett, Julianne Bye, Douglas Fell, Richard Anderson MEMBERS ABSENT: Christine Dodge STAFF PRESENT: Michael Franzen, Senior Planner; Don Uram, Assistant Planner; Sue Anderson, Recording Secretary. Pledge of Allegiance -- Roll Call I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION• Motion was made by Hallett, seconded by Ruebling to approve the agenda as printed. Motion carried 6-0-0. II. MEMBERS REPORTS None III. MINUTES Chairman Shuck requested a motion for approval of minutes of the November 9, 1987 meeting. Commissioner Fell requested a change in the minutes on page 7, paragraph 9, line 4 should read, "mph on County Road 18. The feasibility report. . . " MOTION: Motion was made by Bye, seconded by Fell to approve the minutes of November 9, 1987 Planning Commission meeting as presented and changed. Motion carried 6-0-0 IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. SOUTHGATE, by William Smith. Request for Zoning District Change from R1-22 to R1-13 .5 on 2 . 3 acres, and Preliminary Plat of 2 . 3 acres into six single family lots and road right-of-way. Location: North of St. Andrew Drive, west of Baker Road, east of Prairie View Drive. A public hearing. Eden Prairie Planning Commission - November 23, 1987 - Page 2 Ron Krueger, representative of proponent, presented the preliminary plat of 2.3 acres proposed for 6 lots with access via a public street extension from St. Andrew Drive. He stated the southeastern slopes will have fill of approximately seven feet. Storm water run-off is proposed to be collected within a catch basin system and extended down the eastern property line. With the development of the adjacent property, an overall storm sewer system must be designed and subject to review by City Engineer and Watershed District. Ruebling questioned the zoning change from R1-22, which is what the present lots in the area are zoned, to R1-13 .5. Franzen responded that earlier development required more lot space to accommodate sewer and wells. Now that storm sewer and utilities are available, the lot size can be decreased. Fell asked proponent why the house pad dimensions are not indicated on drawing. Krueger responded because its understood they are forty feet from the setback, but if Commission so desired dimensions he would incorporate them on the drawing. • Fell felt it would better define where the soil correction was made. Franzen responded that this is a dimension that is arrived at on case by case basis depending on the soil problem. It is normal practice to build thirty foot setback pads, and we require the developer to identify through the grading plan, the soil correction. No audience participation. MOTION 1: Motion was made by Ruebling, seconded by Bye to close the public hearing. MOTION 2 : Motion was made by Ruebling, seconded by Bye to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of William Smith for Zoning District Change from R1-22 to R1-13 .5 for 2.3 acres, to be known as the Southgate Addition, based on revised plans date November 17, 1987, subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated November 20, 1987. Motion carried 6-0-0 Eden Prairie Planning Commission - November 23, 1987 - Page 3 MOTION 3: Motion was made by Ruebling, seconded by Bye to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of William Smith for Preliminary Plat of 2.3 acres into six single family lots and road right-of-way to be known as the Southgate Addition, based on revised plans dated November 17, 1987, subject to the recommendations of the Staff report dated November 20, 1987. Motion carried 6-0-0 V. OLD BUSINESS None VI. NEW BUSINESS A. WOODDALE BAPTIST CHURCH Planner Franzen indicated that representatives of the Wooddale Church approached the City Staff with a proposal for increasing the size of Wooddale's facility. Wooddale owns 31 acres of land, upon which they have constructed Phases I and II of a church facility approved by the City in 1981. This was based upon a Phase I building of 50,000 sq. ft. , with an ultimate size of 100,000 sq. ft. , • including an 1800 seat sanctuary. The building was to be low profile with a sanctuary of 60 ft. in height and a bell tower for image of 75 ft. in height. The parking proposed at that time was 470 spaces for Phase I and 1100 spaces ultimately. Planners at Wooddale informed Staff they are prepared to start working drawings for construction next Spring of a 220,000 sq. ft. facility requiring 2,256 parking spaces, parking ramps, and a sanctuary topped by a belfry and spire of approximately 200 ft. (Colonial Church of Edina has a bell tower of about 110 ft. ) In 1984, the Commission recommended denial of a request to place a facility about the size of the approved Wooddale Church on a site just south of Wooddale on Bryant Lake Drive. The Commission found that two churches of a regional size generated traffic at the same times which overloaded intersections. The current Wooddale request is roughly the equivalent of doubling the approved size. The Wooddale Church would appreciate hearing the Commission's thoughts about their proposal before they spend more dollars on plans. If 200 ft. bell tower is not feasible, what height is acceptable? Wooddale realizes this is larger than first anticipated but they like the site they are on and hope to stay there with the building expansion. Eden Prairie Planning Commission - November 23, 1987 - Page 4 Commission expressed they cannot justify the variance without setting a precedent. The Board of Appeals has previously denied proposals for towers over 100 ft. Bye was concerned with parking, traffic after services, what time are the other activities of the church. Are we considering the Monday through Friday traffic. Fell suggested they implement traffic management tools such as fellowship after services to phase the people out of the parking lots. Hallett expressed a real concern about parking spaces, and how the past configuring of parking spaces at churches has been off site, and created a real parking problem as well as traffic congestion. Ruebling was comfortable with size and height due to the aesthetic architectural features, but felt this 31 acres might not be the right site for this building. Anderson requested Wooddale provide a compelling need for that height. Hallett reminded Commission that the Board of Appeals denied KMSP a tower last year, and if Wooddale's 200 ft. tower is approved, KMSP will be in the following week. Hallett was comfortable with 100 ft. but not 200 ft. Ruebling inquired if anyone had inspected these drawings for accurate dimensions. Franzen replied affirmatively. Franzen added that Wooddale Church held a meeting with Golden Ridge Estate residents and they received no negative feedback but not many were in attendance. Fell did not like the 200 ft. height and feels it would invade the neighborhood. Franzen reiterated that the Church will listen to this feedback from the decision making people. They may revise or they may come back to the Commission again with the same proposal. Bye expressed the foresight of this proposal and the booklet provided lends itself nicely. B. CREEKVIEW INSPECTION Franzen inquired to Commission interest in visually seeing the Creekview property, and the grading on the Fillippe site. He instructed Commission that two groups will go in so as not to violate an open meeting. Eden Prairie Planning Commission - November 23, 1987 - Page 5 Hallett expressed the importance of a trail along the creek so citizens can have access to a nature area. Franzen replied that presently sidewalks and overlooks will be provided but no trails along the creek. VII. PLANNER'S REPORT None VIII. ADJOURNMENT Meeting adjourned at 8:30 PM. Motion was made by Hallett, seconded by Anderson.