Planning Commission - 09/14/1987 AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, September 14, 1987
7:30 p.m.
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman Ed Schuck, Richard Anderson, Julianne Bye,
Christine Dodge, Doug Fell , Robert Hallett, Charles Ruebling
STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Michael Franzen, Senior
Planner; Don Uram, Assistant Planner; Ann Kenyon, Recording
Secretary
Pledge of Allegiance--Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II. MEMBERS REPORTS
III. MINUTES
IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
(7:35) A. EDEN PRAIRIE AUTO MALL, by M. Austin Smith & Leo T. Furcht. Request
for Comprehensive Guide Plan Amendment from Neighborhood Commercial
to Regional Commercial on 15.3 acres, Planned Unit Development
Concept Amendment on 23.6 acres, Zoning District Change from Rural
to C-Reg-Service on 2.58 acres, with variances to be reviewed by the
Board of Appeals and Preliminary Plat of 4.84 acres into one lot and
one outlot. Location: South of Prairie Center Drive, east of
Joiner Way. A public hearing.
V. OLD BUSINESS
VI . NEW BUSINESS
VII. PLANNER'S REPORT
VIII . ADJOURNMENT
*NOTE: THE TIMES LISTED ABOVE ARE TENTATIVE, AND MAY BE SIGNIFICANTLY EARLIER,
OR LATER, THAN LISTED.
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLAnTM CCEMISSION
Monday, September 14, 1987
City Council Chambers
7:30 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Julianne Bye, Christine Dodge,
Douglas Fell, Robert Hallett, Charles Ruebling
MEMBERS ABSENT: Chairman Ed $chuck
STAFF PRESENT: Michael Franzen, Senior Planner; Ann Kenyon, Recording
Secretary
Pledge of Allegiance - Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION:
Motion was made and seconded to approve the agenda as printed.
Motion carried 6-0-0
• II. MEMBERS REPORTS
None.
III. MINUTES
Motion was made and seconded to approve the minutes of the August
241 1987 Planning Commission meeting with the following corrections:
Page 6, Motion #2, #3, #4, the vote should read 11
3-2-0 (Schuck and
Dodge against)".
Motion carried 5-0-1 (Bye abstained).
IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. EDEN PRAIRIE AUTO MALL, by M. Austin Smith & Leo T. Furcht.
Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan Amendment from Neighbohood
Commercial to Regional Commercial on 15.3 acres, Planned Unit
Development Concept Amendment on 23.6 acres, Zoning District
Change from Rural to C Reg-Service on 2.58 acres, with
variances to be reviewed by the Board of Appeals and
Preliminary Plat of 4.84 acres into one lot and one outlot.
Location: South of Prairie Center Drive, east of Joiner day.
A public hearing.
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• Planner Franzen referred to the Staff Report and stated that the
proponents are requesting a Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from
neighborhood commercial to regional commercial for approximately 15.93
acres of land. He introduced Jeff Carlston, architect for the auto mall,
who reviewed the proposed development with the Commission explaining that
they have tried to create the image of a shopping mall rather than an
auto mall. The construction involves a one story 18,000 square foot auto
mall with 92 parking spaces on site. An 8-foot canopy will be used to
screen the overhead doors in the back and a 10-foot canopy in the front.
Fell expressed concern with the internal circulation and stacking for the
car wash. The proponent explained that there would be three stacking
spots in front of the doors. Bye asked where cars stack after washing.
The proponent answered, behind the building.
Dodge asked if the transmission operation is not allowed, what is to
prevent a radio shop or body shop coming in? Franzen said that new uses
are reviewed at time of permit issuance and staff would determine if a
use is allowed before a permit is issued.
Ruebling expressed concern about the amount of hard surface area in the
parking lot, especially in front of the building and asked how the site
plan could be modified to incorporate more green space. Franzen
responded that large planting islands or a linear planting strip could be
incorporated into the plan. Commissioner Anderson asked about the
. signage program for the building. The proponent indicated that signage
would be individual, internally lighted letters of a consistent height,
size, color and style.
Fell asked about pedestrians leaving their car for service and walking to
the Eden Prairie Center and how they get across the road. Franzen stated
that after Lund's is built, there will be a sidewalk on Prairie Center
Drive with Prairie Center and Preserve Boulevard to be signalized in the
future. Fell said he would like to see canopy lighting details,
expressing concern for minimizing glare.
Hallett asked if the Commission wanted the car wash stacking addressed at
the next meeting. It was also decided that the lighting, stacking and
circulation, signage, protective ballards in front, and landscaping
should be addressed at the next meeting.
Bye asked if Staff was in agreement with this project coming back after
the discussion a few weeks ago on continuances.
Franzen answered that since a solution on screening is acceptable to the
developer and the Commission and only details remain, then continuance
and publishing would be acceptable in this case. If on the other hand no
solutions were identifed or agreed on, then a 30-day continuance with no
publishing would be appropriate.
Hallett asked for comments from the audience. There were none.
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MOTION
Motion was made by Bye, seconded by Anderson, to continue this item to
the September 28th meeting and direct Staff to publish this item for
October 6th meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0.
V. OLD BUSINESS
Hallett said he would like to find a way in which the Commission
would not put the Staff on the spot at the Planning Commission
meetings. Staff is sometimes caught in the middle on many issues.
Bye suggested if the Planning Commission is not comfortable with an
issue, they should say so and not refer this back to the Staff for
comment.
Ruebling inquired about the status of the joint meeting. Franzen
suggested that the Planning Commission may wish to consider
preparing a "wish" list of the topics that could be brought up for
discussion at the joint meeting with the City Council. Topics might
include steep slopes, parking decks, cul de sacs, etc.
Ruebling asked if it would be appropriate for the Commission to
discuss policy issues and forward their thoughts to the Council.
Franzen responsed that since policies are normally developed based
on Council direction, it would seem appropriate to identify issues
• for the Council and have them decide whether or not to direct
Commission and Staff to work on issues and policies. Franzen added
that Staff is already working on revisions to the sloped ground
ordinance and have contacted several communities about parking
decks.
Hallett suggested the request from the Planning Commission for
direction on certain issues be forwarded to the City Council. He
also suggested that the City Council could bring up items that they
would like to discuss with the Planning Commission. He suggested
that a discussion on policy issues be placed on an upcoming
Commission agenda.
Motion was made by Bye, seconded by Anderson, that potential
planning issues be placed on the agenda for the October 13th
Planning Commission meeting.
Motion carried 6-0-0.
VI. NEW BUSINESS
Hallett asked about the APA meeting on land use law with the
Minnesota Chapter of Certified Planners and expressed interest in
hearing from the Staff on this meeting.
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VII. PLANTER'S REPORT
None
VIII. AWOURNMm
Motion to adjourn was made by Bye, seconded by Anderson. Meeting
adjourned at 8:55 p.m.
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