Planning Commission - 02/25/1985 AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, February 25, 1985
School Board Meeting Room
7:30 p.m.
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman William Bearman, Virginia Gartner, Robert Hallett,
Stan Johannes, Dennis Marhula, Ed Schuck, Hakon Torjesen
STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Michael Franzen, Senior
Planner; Kate Karnas, Administrative Assistant
Pledge of Allegiance--Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II. MEMBERS REPORTS
III. MINUTES
IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. RED ROCK HEIGHTS, by Jerry Halmrast and Bill Gilk. Request for
Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 for 22.6 acres, and
Preliminary Plat of 33.9 acres into 50 lots and three outlots.
Location: South of Scenic Heights Road, east of County Road #4. A
public hearing.
• V. OLD BUSINESS
VI. NEW BUSINESS
VII. PLANNER'S REPORT
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
MINUTES
• EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, February 25, 1985
School Board Meeting Room
7:30 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman William Bearman, Virginia Gartner, Robert Hallett,
Stan Johannes, Ed Schuck, Hakon Torjesen
MEMBER ABSENT: Dennis Marhula
STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Michael Franzen, Senior
Planner; Kate Karnas, Administrative Assistant
Pledge of Allegiance--Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION:
Motion was made by Torjesen, seconded by Schuck, to adopt the agenda as
printed.
• Motion carried--5-0-0
II. MEMBERS REPORTS
None.
III. MINUTES
MOTION:
Motion was made by Torjesen, seconded, by Schuck, to approve the minutes of
the February 11, 1985, Planning Commission meeting as printed.
Chairman Bearman stated that he felt it was important to note that the
Medium Density, Residential and Office land uses of the plan recommended to
the City Council for approval (See Attachment to Planning Commission minutes
of February 11, 1985) regarding the Comprehensive Guide Plan amendment
proposed by Northrup King were the overriding concerns of the Commission.
Other Commissioners concurred.
Motion carried--4-0-1 (Hallett abstained)
IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. RED ROCK HEIGHTS, by Jerry Halmrast and Bill Gilk. Request for
Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 for 22.6 acres and
Preliminary Plat of 33.9 acres into 50 lots and three outlots.
Location: South of Scenic Heights Road, east of County Road #4. A
public hearing.
Planning Commission Minutes 2 February 25, 1985
Mr. Ron Krueger, Krueger and Associates, representing the proponents,
explained the proposed zoning and platting request and reviewed the site
characteristics with the Commission.
Planner Franzen reviewed the findings and recommendations of the Staff
Report dated February 22, 1985, explaining the concerns of the Staff in
analysis of the proposal, in particular with respect to utilities and
Shoreland Management regulations.
Torjesen asked if the future alignment of Highway #212 had been considered
in the planning of this subdivision. Staff responded that the two
alternative alignments for Highway #212 had been reviewed with respect to
this project. One of the alignments would cut through the northwest corner
of this project; the other would align further northwest of this project and
would not interfere with the project.
Torjesen asked if this was the property which had been represented in the
past as two, or three, large horse farms. Staff responded that it was;
however, this representation had been made by the developer of the property
to the east with respect to the question of connection of the streets
between these two properties.
Gartner expressed concern regarding the houses which were proposed to be
located closer to the Normal Ordinary High Water Mark than allowed by the
. Shoreland Management Ordinance requirements. She stated that Red Rock Lake
supported a unique wildlife habitat, and asked if the encroachment of the
homes into the designated setback area would be detrimental to this habitat.
Staff reviewed the variances being requested by proponent with respect to
the Shoreland Management Ordinance requirements. There were three being
requested by the proponents, including: 1) Variance from the requirement
for lots to be a minimum of 20,000 sq. ft.--most met the requirement, but
the average lot size was 18,500 sq. ft. for those abutting the lake; 2)
Variance from the requirement for the lots to be 120 ft. wide--most met the
requirement, but some did not as proposed; and, 3) Variance from the
requirement for the structures to be located at least 100 ft. from the
Normal Ordinary High Water Mark--a few of the lots in the southeast portion
of the project did not meet this requirement. Staff pointed out that, even
though the lots in the southeast portion of the property would have the
structures closer to the Normal Ordinary High Water Mark, these lots were
located at an elevation approximately 24 ft. higher than the shoreland for
Red Rock Lake.
Hallett asked if the impact of such things as fertilizer washing into the
lake would be greater if there were more lots in the plat. Chairman Bearman
responded that he did not feel this would have a significant impact. He
stated that there would be about the same amount of lawn to be fertilized
whether there was one house on one acre of lawn, or three houses on one acre
of lawn.
• Chairman Bearman added that he felt the situation involving the setback for
the structures from the Normal Ordinary High Water Mark was mitigated by the
fact that the lots would be so much higher in elevation than the Shoreland
in the southeast portion of the property. Other Commissioners concurred.
Planning Commission Minutes 3 February 25, 1985
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Chairman Bearman asked if an Environmental Assessment Worksheet had been
prepared for this property. Staff responded that it was not required.
Torjesen asked if the proposed development was in conformance with the Red
Rock Sector Study, which had been prepared by the City several years ago.
Staff responded that it was in conformance with the Comprehensive Guide
Plan, which superceded the Red Rock Sector Study.
Schuck asked what the price range of the units would be. Mr. Krueger
responded that the range would be $120,000-200,000.
Chairman Bearman asked for comments and questions from members of the
audience. There were none.
MOTION 1:
Motion was made by Schuck, seconded by Gartner, to close the public hearing.
Motion carried--6-0-0
MOTION 2:
Motion was made by Schuck, seconded by Gartner, to recommend to the City
Council approval of the request of Bill Gilk and Jerry Halmrast for Zoning
• District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 for 22.6 acres for Red Rock Heights,
based on written materials dated January 23, 1985, and plans dated January
25, 1985, subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated February
22, 1985.
Motion carried--6-0-0
MOTION 3:
Motion was made by Schuck, seconded by Gartner, to recommend to the City
Council approval of the request of Bill Gilk and Jerry Halmrast for
Preliminary Plat of 33.9 acres into 50 single family residential lots and
three outlots for Red Rock Heights, based on written materials dated Janaury
23, 1985, and plans dated Janaury 25, 1985, subject to the recommendations
of the Staff Report dated February 22, 1985.
Motion carried--6-0-0
V. OLD BUSINESS
None.
VI. NEW BUSINESS
None.
• VII. PLANNER'S REPORT
Planner Enger stated that the Staff had been reviewing the projected
population and employment figures for the City and he explained the findings
Planning Commission Minutes 4 February 25, 1985
to the Commission. He stated that it appeared the City would be able to
maintain a favorable balance of population and employment in the future.
Torjesen stated that he felt it was the City's responsibility to maintain
such a balance and that it should be done through use of such tools as the
Comprehensive Guide Plan.
The Commission discussed the various methods of controlling such a balance
in the community.
MOTION:
Motion was made by Torjesen,, seconded by Gartner, to make the following
recommendation: That, as a matter of policy, the City not allow proponents
to determine what the land use guiding for land within the community should
be, but that it be up to the City to decide what the appropriate guiding
should be for the overall benefit of the community as a whole.
Motion carried--6-0-0
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION TO ADJOURN was made by Schuck, seconded by Johannes.
• Chairman Bearman adjourned the meeting at 8:30 p.m.
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