Planning Commission - 05/24/1982 AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
Monday, May 24, 1982
7:30 PM, City Hall
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman William Bearman, Liz Retterath,
Dennis Marhula, Virginia Gartner, Grant
Sutliff, Robert Hallett, Hakon Torjesen
STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Director of Planning
Sue Hilgers, Planning Secretary
Pledge of Allegiance - Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II. APPROVAL OF MAY 10, 1982 MINUTES
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
IV. EEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. BAYPOINT MANOR APARTMENTS (revised) , by G & D Enterprises.
Request to rezone 6.3 acres from Rural to RM 2.5 and pre-
liminary plat of approval to construct a 4 story building
with 152 apartment units. The property is part of The
Preserve PUD 70-04 and may include granting of variances.
Located south of Preserve Community Center Barn and north
of Neill Lake. A public hearing.
B. BRYANT LAKE CONDOMINIUMS, by Metram Properties Company.
Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan change from low
density to medium density residential and park/open space
uses, PUD Concept for 22 acres of residential and 43 acres
of park/open space, rezoning from Rural to R1-22 for 3 single
family and RM 2.5 for 218 condos, preliminary plat of the
entire 65 acre site, and approval of an Environmental
Assessment Worksheet. Located north of Bryant Lake, South of
proposed Crosstown 62, and East of I-494. A public hearing.
C. LEE DATA CENTER, by Rauenhorst Corporation. Request for
PUD Concept for industrial , rezoning of approximately 20
acres from RM 2.5 to I-5, preliminary plat approval of
36 acres for 1 lot and 3 outlots for the construction of .
a 200,000 sq. ft. office/warehouse building, and possible
variances. Located south of Flying Cloud Drive , East
of US 169/212, and north of Nine Mile Creek . A public hearing.
V. OLD BUSINESS
VI. NEW BUSINESS
VII. PLANNER'S REPORT
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
.approved
Monday, May 24, 1982 7:30 PM, City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman William Bearman, Hakon Torjesen,
Virginia Gartner, Dennis Marhula, Grant
Sutliff, Robert Hallett
MEMBERS ABSENT: Liz Retterath
STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger, Director of Planning
Sue Hilgers, Planning Secretary
Pledge of Allegiance - Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Sutliff moved to approve the agenda as submitted. Gartner seconded,
motion carried 6-0.
II. APPROVAL OF MAY 10, 1982 MINUTES
Gartner moved to approve the May 10, 1982 minutes with the following
corrections and/or additions:
P. 6 Discussion, insert between 'West' and 'but' : subject to site plan
review by the Planning Commission' . . .
item E, 4th para. , askef should be asked
P. 7 1st para. , 2nd line should read: City West project. Bearman agreed_. _
VI 1st para. should read Gartner stated that Topview Road _should have___
come before the Planning Commission.
4th para. , 2nd line, should read: Hallett also remarked that the
entrance signs to Eden Prairie
Sutliff seconded, motion carried 6-0.
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
None
VI. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. BAYPOINT MANOR APARTMENTS (revised) , by G & D Enterprises.
Request to rezone 6.3 acres from Rural to RM 2.5 and pre-
liminary plat approval to construct a 4 story building
with 152 apartment units. The property is part of The
Preserve PUD 70-04 and may include granting of variances.
Located south of Preserve Community Center Barn and north
of Neill Lake. A public hearing.
The Planner stated that this item had been reviewed by the Commission on March
22, 1982 and the Commission recommended denial with a 3:2 vote. The proponent has
made revisions and resubmitted for review and approval . The original plan did not
go before the City Council .
Bearman stated that the letter from Richard M. Smith of Miller Construction dated
May 3, 1982 should be made part of the minutes.
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Richard Smith stated that Mr. Steve Ludwig of Miller Construction was also present.
He stated that the building will consist of 152 units. He addressed the concerns
which were raised at the previous meeting when the project was recommended denial .
He also addressed a petition received from surrounding homeowner's at the March 22,
1982 meeting. He stated that the original parking will be made green space with
parking to be placed parallel to the tennis courts. He also reviewed an agreement
made with the Preserve homeowners at the time they moved in regarding the Preserve
recreational facilities. He stated that trash compactors will be on the lower level
of the garages and stated that the noise level in the garage will be reduced by
placing six small units around the building instead of one. The buffer between
Ridgewood Condominiums and the site will remain as is. The building will be four
levels, elevators, with underground parking. The present tax base of the property
is under $9,000 and expects it to rise to $160,000 upon completion. The Preserve
has agreed to complete all pathway systems in-The Preserve which will be in a form
of a bond.
Larry Peterson, The Preserve, stated that the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources
Commission had ,previously stated that the path on the south side of Neill Lake should
not be black-topped. The Commission then agreed with the Parks, Recreation and Nat-
ural Resources Commission recommendation. ,
Smith stated that the cost of construction for parking will be split half and half
between The Preserve and G & D Enterprises.
The Planner stated that at the previous meetings held, the major problem was the
massiveness of the building.
Ludwig stated that they have selected a dense structure which is consistent with
the ordinance, 4 stories tall , garage under the building, and stated that by
constructing a building of this magnitude, more green space can be provided. He
also reviewed the site lines.
The Planner reviewed the staff report dated 5/20/82 and stated that the previous
staff report dated 3/18/82 was also included in that report. He stated that
preliminary review has been received from the Watershed District. He stated that
there are more units in The Preserve than 400 but stated that 400 represents a
majority of units in The Preserve.
Marhula asked how the idea of a marina came about. Peterson replied that some
original Preserve plans showed a marina on Neill Lake. He felt it was important
to provide that for the residents.
Hallett asked if usage is allowed on the lake and if so, if motors are allowed.
The Planner stated that the Department of Natural Resources designates Neill Lake
as a natural environment lake which has more restrictions. The Lake was largely
man-made and -swimming would not be allowed or the use of motors.
Hallett then asked if public access will be provided. Peterson replied that a
pathway around the lake will connect to City pathways.
Torjesen asked what will be the access for Outlot F and the access for the proposed
parking on Outlot F. Ludwig replied that paths will access to Outlot F, and
there will be an easement across the property to the parking lot.
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Bearman asked when the homeowner's documents were originally designed. Peterson
replied in 1976.
Sutliff asked if the single family dwelling on Parcel E would remain. The Planner
replied yes.
Sutliff asked what percentage of the townhouses which were proposed have been
built. Peterson pointed out proposed and existing townhouse-attached units on
an updated Preserve Plan. He stated that all single family lots have been built.
Sutliff asked the width of the building on Section AA from wall to wall . Ludwig
replied 65' . Sutliff asked the height of the pitch on the roof. Ludwig replied
412. He then asked the height between floors. Ludwig replied 9' . Sutliff asked
the elevation of the club house. The Planner replied 820 and rises up to 828 at
the north side of the building.
Sutliff stated he was concerned with the height of the building from Neill Lake.
Bearman asked the usage for Parcel A. Peterson replied that that has been sold
to the people who own the land next to it and they are hoping to propose a 30-36
unit building (combining both the land next to Baypoint Manor and Parcel A).
Bearman asked the usage for Parcel B. Peterson replied it will serve as part of the
parking with the rest of the land being dedicated.
Bearman asked if a detailed landscaping plan will be reviewed by the City Staff.
The Planner replied yes.
Bearman stated that a revised parking plan should be submitted because the dedication
of the parking lots are not shown on the plan or in a written form.
Bruce Carlson, 8948 Neill Lake Road, asked if the fire access on the east side of
the site with the knock down barrier, will be used as an access for the recreational
facilities. Smith replied that i:t will be grass covered with an extension from the
parking lane to serve the pumps.
Peter Beucher, 8982A Neill Lake Road, asked if there will be any access to the
apartments from the north side, if there will be a common hallway down the length
of the building, and felt that people will park in the common Neill Lake recrea-
tion parking facilities. Smith replied yes, there is access to the north and
yes there is a hallway down the length of the building. He stated that for the
people that will live there, there will be a garage included in their rent.
Bearman stated that the parking lots for the recreation facilities will belong
to the Preserve Homeowner's Association and it is up to them to place restrictions
on them. Ludwig stated that the entrances on the back side of the building are
only for the apartment renters and the renters will have a key themselves to get
into the parking lot. Visitors will have to ring a buzzer to get in.
Cheryl Van Horn, 8940 Neill Lake Road, stated that she felt that there is no real
access for people in the Preserve to get down to the lake and felt that the views
of the people who live there already will be lost. Smith replied that the amenity
from the pool to the lake will remain open.
approved
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Peter Beucher asked th
e distance between the club house and the rear of the building.
Smith replied 75' and from the stairway it is 55' .
Tom Meyer, 9000 Neill Lake Road asked if the ground by the lake can be used. Smith
replied it can be used for recreation but it is not suitable for a building.
MOTION 1
Gartner moved to close the public hearing. Hallett seconded, motion carried 6-0.
MOTION 2
Gartner moved to recommend to the City Council approval of Baypoint Manor Apartments
development plan of The Preserve PUD as per the staff reports dated 3/18/82 and
the letter dated 5/3/82. Marhula seconded.
DISCUSSION
Sutliff asked the amount of land to have earth work done. Smith replied between
12-15%. Ludwig stated that the building occupys 12-15%, the majority of the
site would have some Earth work however the .east side will remain as is.
Bearman stated that placing garbage compactors inside the garages is not shown on
the plan and asked that it be added. Gartner and Marhula agreed.
Torjesen asked that additional parking should be placed according to the plans
dated 5/24/82. He also clarified that The Preserve does not have to black top
the path on the south side of Neill Lake as per Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources Commission requirements. Gartner and Marhula agreed.
Motion carried 6-0.
MOTION 3
Gartner moved to recommend to the City Council approval of rezoning 6 acres from
Rural to RM 2.5 and 2.2 acres from Rural to R1-22 (for the existing farm house
only) , as per the plan dated 3/15/82 and the letter dated 5/3/82 based upon the
staff report dated 5/20/82 with the same additions as listed in Motion 2. Marhula
seconded.
DISCUSSION
Sutliff asked if Parcel F is included in the rezoning. The Planner replied no.
Motion carried 6-0.
MOTION 4
Gartner moved to recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat
dated 3/15/82 for 6 parcels on 17 acres based upon the 5/20/82 staff report with
the same additions as in Motion 2. Marhula seconded, motion carried 6-0.
B. BRYANT LAKE CONDOMINIUMS, by Metram Properties Company.
Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan change from low
density residential to medium density residential and
park/open space uses, PUD Concept for 22 acres of resid-
ential and 43 acres of park/open space/ROW, rezoning from
Rural to R1-22 for 3 single family and RM 2.5 for 218
condos, preliminary plat of the entire 65 acre site, and
approval of an Environmental Assessment Worksheet. Located
north of Bryant Lake, south of proposed Crosstown 62, and
East of I-494. A public hearing.
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The Planner stated that the proponent has now submitted a final plan for the
Commission's review and approval. John Uban of Howard Dahlgren & Associates and
Ron Erickson of Korunsky Krank Erickson Architects were present to give the
presentation.
Uban reviewed the location of the property. He stated that all single family
homes around the lake are within 1000' from the Lake. The proponent proposes
development leaving 1000' directly around the lake into park land to buffer the
project. Development will occur in the northern part of the site and be medium
density residential with the three single family lots remaining as is.
Erickson stated that they would like to preserve as many trees as possible and
stated they would like to preserve the natural features of the site. The buildings
will fit into the topography. Buildings will be three stories with underground
parking. He reviewed the site lines and stated that the plan is in conformance
with all City Ordinances and standards. He stated that the remainder of the site
will be dedicated to the City. They felt that they have addressed all of the con-
cerns raised by the Planning Commission at previous meetings. He reviewed the
exterior design; residential in character, pitched roof, gables, and the roof line
will be brought down to the second floor. The development will blend with the
surroundings.
The Planner reviewed the staff report dated 5/21/82 and stated that the original
staff report is attached. He stated that there is one way in and one way out for
all three buildings. Another fire access could be put in, but if there was a
traffic back-up at Beach Road, there could be a problem getting vehicles into the
site. He stated he felt the design approach to the site is good.
Marhula asked the status of the exception at the south end. The Planner replied that
the small area to the west is owned by Hennepin County Park Reserve Disrict and the
other area is owned by a private owner.
Erickson stated that a tennis court would be placed in an open area at the top of
the hill.
Uban stated that restrictions would be placed on the use of the buildings.
Hallett asked if the project will be marketed with the proposed Crosstown extension.
Uban replied yes.
Torjesen asked if there will be a density transfer. The- Planner replied' no.
Torjesen asked if it is appropriate to plat the Crosstown ROW exception at this time.
The Planner replied yes.
Torjesen asked if very little ROW is used, what will happen to the rest. The Planner
replied it will be dedicated to the public.
. Sutliff asked if Crosstown goes through, if there is any possibility of a controlled
intersection. Bearman replied yes.
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Torjesen expressed his concerns regarding the Crosstown extension and access for the
project.
Marhula stated that a few years ago a firm commitment was made by the County for
construction of Crosstown.
Torjesen asked if Eden Prairie has approved the at-grade access. The Planner replied
yes, although a high bridge was included.
Bearman asked the density of the project and stated that the plan was for less units
than proposed at present. The Planner replied the density is 9.4 units/acre on the
condominiums and that the plan was previously 198 units.
Bearman asked the length of the buildings. Erickson replied 390'-400' .
Bearman stated he felt that with only one way in and one way out of the project,
another access should be made.
Don Poupard, 6251 Beach Road stated he would like the project to be developed as single
family._ He also stated he would like a berm put in between the buildings and single
family homes. Erickson replied it is not feasible to place a berm there because there
are existing large trees there already. Uban stated that evergreens could be placed
there, and if that did not work, a wood fence could be constructed.
Bearman stated he felt that screening should be put in there.
Torjesen commented that all development presently around Bryant Lake has been built at
a lower density than allowed and expressed his concern that this will be 9.4 units/acre
MOTION 1
Marhula moved to close the public hearing. Hallett seconded, motion carried 6-0.
MOTION 2
Marhula moved to recommend to the City Council approval of the Comprehensive Guide
Plan change from low density to medium density residential and park/open space uses
as per the staff report dated 5/21/82 and the plans dated May, 1982. Hallett sec-
onded.
DISCUSSION
Torjesen asked the maximum units/acre that could be allowed in the medium density
land use category. The Planner replied 10.
Torjesen asked if any other projects have been built as close to 10 units/acre.
The Planner stated that most projects in the medium density residential category fall
in a density of between 5 and 8 units/acre. More dense projects have usually fallen
into the high density category because they are higher than 10 units/acre.
Marhula stated that considering the entire 65 acres, this project comes to 32
units/acre.
• Sutliff asked if access onto Crosstown precludes zoning if Hennepin County opposes
this project in terms of developability of the project. The Planner replied yes,
the developer needs access to develop this project.
Motion carried 5-1. Torjesen voted no,
.,tpproved
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MOTION 3
Marhula moved to recommend to the City Council approval of the PUD Concept plan for
22 acres of residential and 43 acres of park/open space/ROW as per the material
dated May, 1982 and the May 21, 1982 staff report and the Hennepin County Depart-
ment of Transportation letter dated May 20, 1982. Sutliff seconded, motion carried
6-0.
MOTION 4
Marhula moved to recommend to the City Council approval of rezoning 18 acres from
Rural to RM 2.5 and 4.83 acres from Rural to R1-22 as per the plans dated May,
1982 and the May 21, 1982 staff report and the Hennepin County Department of Trans-
portation letter dated May 20, 1982. Sutliff seconded.
DISCUSSION
Torjesen asked that screening of the Poupard residence be added as a contingency.
The Planner replied that a detailed landscaping plan can be directed to staff for
review and approval . Gartner asked that evergreens be utilized of a size and
density which would assume year round screenings. Marhula and Sutliff agreed.
Motion carried 6-0.
MOTION 5
Marhula moved to recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat
dated May, 1982 as per the May 21, 1982 staff report and the Hennepin County
Department of Transportation letter dated May 20, 1982 and screening of the
• Poupard residence utilizing evergreens of a size and density which would assume
year round screenings and. a detailed landscaping plan directed to staff for review
and approval . Sutliff seconded, motion carried 6-0.
MOTION 6
Marhula moved to recommend to the City Council the EAW Finding of No Significant
Impact. Sutliff seconded, motion carried 6-0.
Bearman left and turned the chair over to Torjesen.
C. LEE DATA CENTER, by Rauenhorst Corporation. Request for
PUD Concept for industrial , rezoning of approximately 20
acres from RM 2.5 to I-5, preliminary plat approval of
36 acres for 1 lot and 3 outlots for the construction of
a 200,000 sq. ft. office/warehouse building, and possible
variances. Located south of Flying Cloud Drive, east of
US 169/212, and north of Nine Mile Creek. A public hearing.
The Planner stated that Bob Worthington of Rauenhorst Corporation was present
to give the presentation.
Worthington stated that Mr. John Lee, president of Lee Data was present also.
He stated that this property was approved as Michelangelo Gardens in 1980. It now
is proposed for a 200,000 sq. ft. office/warehouse complex to be the headquarters
for Lee Data. The site will be subdivided into 3 outlots. Outlot A, 9 acres, will
remain open space; Outlot B contains a portion of floodplain and will remain open
• space; Lot 1, Block 1, 20 acres, is the site for the complex. The construction of
a road from Flying Cloud Drive to the southern property line will be completed in
two phases. The first phase will be 250' within the site and end in a cul-de-sac
and the second phase is expected within 2-5 years will be completed when the need
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arises which will extend to the bottom of the site. The building will be constructed
of precast panel ,with brick and reflector glass. A lunch room will be developed in
the south corner of the project. The back portion of the site will be for manu-
facturing.In Comparing this project with the approved Michelangelo Gardens' traffic
will be much less. More than 50% of the site will be preserved. Felt the berm on
the east should be preserved and stated the knoll on the north will remain to
identify Lee Data. The knoll on the south is wanted to be saved for screening
purposes. Mr. John MacKenzie, Project Manager is also present. Lee Data is presently
located in Eden Prairie. Rauenhorst will lease the building for 15 years and then
Lee Data will have an option to purchase the property.
Mr. Lee stated that Lee Data is presently located approximately one mile north of
this site. They design and produce computor terminals which are sold nation-wide.
The Planner reviewed the staff report dated 5/19/82. He stated that Shady Oak
Industrial Park 5th is on the east of the site which had a requirement of con-
structing a physical buffer - which has been done. Residential will be lost on
this site. He was concerned with the site plan as it relates to the site. Six
acres of trees will be removed. Staff contemplates there is a portion on the
south which could be developed for high density residential . He suggested that
at a minimum that the surcharging for the road which would lead down to Thorn
Creek get underway. An inventory of trees should be taken. An EAW had been pre-
pared for Michelangelo Gardens and this project was compared to it and found to
be very compatible. Cash park fee of $1400/acre for the area to be zoned is
applicable.
Gartner asked why Outlot A and B are outlots. The Planner stated that they might
be able to be built on in the future. They presently have poor soil conditions.
Hallett asked who owns Outlot A and B. Worthington replied that they are owned
by Rembrandt presently. Rauenhorst is entering into a purchase agreement with
Rembrandt and Lee Data will have an option to purchase the property then. He
stated that they have no intention to build on Outlot A or B.
Torjesen asked the reason for eliminating housing on the site. Worthington
replied thaton the south, development would have to extend into wetland and stated
he felt there are more appropriate sites in the City for residential .
Hallett stated that no matter what is developed on this site, some trees and hills
will be lost. The Planner replied yes.
Sutliff asked if construction of the road will be similar to Menards. The Planner
replied yes.
The Planner stated that if the Commission would like residential on the southern
portion of the site, the road would have to be constructed immediately.
Sutliff asked if there is a possibility for a road coming down the eastern
property line. The Planner replied it is possible.
• Peter Beck, Larkin, Hoffman, Daly, Lindgren, representing ADI stated ADI owns the
property to the east of the project which is called Shady Oak Industrial Park 5th.
In 1979 ADI came before the City and a requirement was placed on them requiring
them to construct a berm which would shield ADI's industrial from Michelangelo
Garden's residential project. ADI has completed the berm. The Owners of the pro-
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perty (Lee Data site) had committed to continue West 70th Street. ADI was pro-
hibited to have any loading docks on their western side of their project. ADI
has constructed a berm of approximately $15 million. Construction of West 70th
Street was promised at time of approval . If the berm is removed, it will give
ADI enough room to build loading docks along West 70th Street.
Sam Figelstein, Attorney for Rembrandt, stated a variance has been requested by
ADI -and ponding, the berm, road access, etc. , were requirements of the City of
Eden Prairie. The berm was to be paid half by ADI and half by Rembrandt.
Rembrandt had a bill of $30,000. He suggested that they are two separate matters.
He stated that if there are any questions between Rembrandt and ADI , it should
take place out of the room (public hearing).
Peter Beck stated he felt that this problem needs to be solved.
Sutliff asked if it is possible to relocate 'Flying Cloud Drive, and stated that if
possible, it should be looked at. The Planner stated it is possible.
Torjesen stated he felt there were a lot of unanswered questions and felt it would
be useful to give an indication on the land use question.
Sutliff stated he would like to see an extension of West 70th Street to Flying
Cloud Drive, access to the Thorn Creek property, and the Braun's property. He
felt that road access is important.
. Marhula asked the status of the Michelangelo Gardens PUD. The Planner replied it
had been zoned RM 2.5. Marhula asked if there was a developer's agreement. The
Planner replied yes.
Hallett stated he would like to see Lee Data stay in Eden Prairie but did not like
the hills and trees to go. Gartner agreed.
Marhula stated he liked the plan but had concerns. He felt that if Thorn Creek is
industrial , the road should go through. He stated that there are some problems
which need clearing up.
Torjesen felt that once a property is gone through and zoned, it becomes a guided
use for the property. The burden is on the developer to consider changing. He
stated that he felt regardless of the decision, resolution of the road is necessary.
Sutliff asked how much time would be needed to improve the site plans. Worthington
replied that construction of West 70th Street down to Flying Cloud Drive relates to
what is affordable. It is a business decision.
Lee stated that they have commissioned Braun Engineering to do road configurations.
The soil engineers told them that this is the most cost effective way for the road.
He stated that a final grading plan has not been developed and stated that is more
economical to leave the road where it is.
Cheryl Zitzelberger, Secretary for Rembrandt, stated that Rembrandt and ADI has
• never had discussion regarding a holding pond or West 70th Street. When they were
the developers for the land, they explored where to put the road, did soil tests,
and stated utilities are currently along 169 and stated that surcharging had already
been done. Rembrandt gave ADI an easement to travel on and off their land and stated
she felt Rembrandt had been very open with ADI.
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• Lee stated that Lee Data is a fast growing company and stated that they need the
project resolved by January 15, 1983.
Torjesen stated he felt it is very important to decide the land use issue.
The Planner stated the Commission should make a land use decision if comfortable.
Formal action could be taken tonight and resolved by the June 14 meeting and the
proponent could go before the City Council on June 15.
Worthington stated that a developer is currently looking at the property to the
north, which he hopes to bring to the City within 30 days to make the 70th Street
extension possible. Some of the cost would then be mitigated.
MOTION 1
Sutliff moved to close the public hearing. Marhula seconded, motion carried 3-2.
Gartner and Torjesen voted no because they felt the project needed more study.
MOTION 2
Sutliff moved to recommend to the City Council approval of a PUD Concept for
approximately 16 acres of industrial and 17 acres of private and public open
space as per the May 19, 1982 staff report and the plans dated 5/7 - revised 5/14/82
excluding the residential . Hallett seconded, motion carried 3-1-1. Gartner abstained
and Torjesen voted no.
. MOTION 3
Sutliff moved to recommend to the City Council rezoning of approximately 20 acres
from RM 2.5 to I-5 as per the plans dated May 4, 1982 and the May 19, 1982 staff
report subject to the continuance of West 70 Street to Flying Cloud Drive and street
access to the south (Thorn Creek property). Hallett seconded.
DISCUSSION
Torjesen asked what the 20 acres consists of. Worthington replied Lot 1. Torjesen
asked if all 20 acres are to be Industrial . Worthington replied yes.
Hallett asked if the proponent dedicates Outlot A and B to the City, if the developer
still must pay cash park fee. The Planner replied the Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources Commission could look at that as a possible alternative.
Torjesen stated he intended to vote no because he felt that there are too many
loose ends for a concept, platting and a land use question. He felt the plans
should be studied further. Gartner agreed.
Motion carried 3-1-1. Gartner abstained, Torjesen voted no because of questions.
MOTION 4
Sutliff moved to recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat
on 36 acres for 1 lot and 3 outlots as per the plat dated May 13, 1982 and the
May 19, 1982 staff report subject to the continuance of West 70 Street to Flying
Cloud Drive and street access to the south (Thorn Creek property). Hallett sec-
onded, motion carried 3-1-1. Gartner abstained, Torjesen voted no.
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V. OLD BUSINESS
Marhula stated that final construction plans for City West were to have been
brought before the Commission. The Planner replied that he has checked with
ADI but the plans are not completed todate.
Hallett stated he saw grading taking place on their property the other day.
The Planner stated he would look into it.
Torjesen expressed his concern that if projects are brought into the City,
such as Lee Data, it should not be brought into the Commission, if all
questions have not been answered.
Torjesen stated he was uncomfortable with the resolution of road to the south
for Lee Data. The Planner stated that some work has to be put into that,
prior to Council review.
Sutliff stated he wanted to make sure the property to the north has access
to Flying Cloud Drive.
Torjesen stated that he felt that maybe an industrial use would be the only
use available to pay for these roads.
The Planner stated that a development of this type usually has a land use
for Outlot A and B to help pay for the road constructions.
Marhula stated that once the Ring Route is completed, there will be adequate,
land for industrial , commercial , etc. uses.
Sutliff stated he felt .it was helpful to see part of the section map for pro-
jects as had been prepared for Lee Data. He liked seeing the surrounding uses.
VI. NEW BUSINESS
None
VII. PLANNER'S REPORT
The Planner reviewed upcoming items.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
Marhula moved to adjourn the meeting at 12:40 AM. Hallett seconded, motion
carried 5-0.
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was a-concern'trom.'-thie tresident:s '' f'the 7.0-ilnit condomixi in7a as'well
as-.-._some of the-;.r6sideint s'that xViei'red::nine:ezisterly buildiner we prgp sed as a:site-line obstiuction for"a c1_ear=view:of the lake. To -solve'this '•
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eastern botinr3a�ry;of our.,propocrty-and" have indicated the area aroui:kd the ^rT.
-'" =i'old farm house to' be =;left:'as'is• with t�i'.guarantee that rio future development
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a: �tlx' ' Val t Doltz, one of'the developers
:plans:to update. this facility' acid.use-_- ,i.'t: as..hi :prima residence. 13}T
eliminating one building; we"have increased the proposed single buil.fiing to
show'.a four-story..structure`:3mrplac,e of the •original three-story Dlli-lcyisa,
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This':structure -will'noYJr' contain''152 airir anent units. The height of the +
building, et-back'f =`• g, the s rom�the lake, :the: traffic flow all COIIIPIy T-•?ltll the•
City'of Eden Prairie'regtlirements'and:-iie• ;Peal by. l eaVLug the 'original. farm ' �, �
'Shouse as-is,,'with`nJ0'::.fdiure plans "for cteve:l-opment, vie will, solve the,'obj'ec-
`tions to the,-siie'-'line--tiidl density.:on-the• eastFrn portion of our propertj�
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ere`were a iiumbei-of people who obj eci`ed�do the construction of.any'type'`of�
5 Y g 1 attached a copy of the
`facility .south of.
—ommmit buildin 'and I'} ave a a
. application -or the preserve:association, which specifically'
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^' ':states;' "the �commnon properties specifically do not include the horse barns;
the'riding' stables' or--any of the,property south of the community building
".'and swimmu'ng pool-to and sourrounding Neill Lake, all of which property is
owned by the developer-,who Js permitting temporary uses seen thereon which
",may be terminated at:_any.time at the sole: discretion of the developer."
These application memberships were' signed by the residents as they obtained
membership- in .the preserve.association and we have, in our file, several
hundred signed copies of this tmderstanding.
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DIVISION OF MILLER COMPANIES,INC.
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I am also attaching a-'copy,of the Rider' to Purchase-Agreements for the sale s
of residential lots in.the preserve, Eden Prai_ti,e, .Minnesota, which was
al builder at the time the lot was purchased. I-call
signed by:each' indivi du
your attention spec ifically_to.paragraph -three which again alludes to`the
`area south of 'tiie coiim wii:ly building and indicates this :land to be owned by, •'-:
the 'developer-*who is •at'this.tii.ie permitting temporary use of the areas, for'
recreational facilities--and 'nonrgl open spaces !. �.,_ ,..._.••:,i° . .
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To:'countract the 'objection'of e.Linunati iig the areage along Neill. Lake, we
have dedicated a large parcel of land,- approximately three acres, around the ` .
. e preserve homeowners'r=aa iwe plan:to= leclicate=•this acreage-to t
afi -for,their future development of 'this area as an expanded recrea-
tional'.facility:' In 'do:eng this,.tre have:minimi-zed the acreage around the
:oZd.:farr house 'and sgavfz saei want 1:to' reiterate that no future development
�lished`oA the;''residential--farm,site which will, again' open up the
_eastern area,.of'our prop:;rty,:for e:cpanded-'recxeat Tonal facilities.'
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ought our'staff'frepox`t 'adegiaatelyr-hanked most�of. the other, problems •t
nd•questions- including, -traffi•c:;_vegetat:ton, pedestrian systems, etc. and
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s aw..Very=few.objections.::fol�the-factual documentation n that you had presented:
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"` ":Iri= ddit i.orr to 'die coiii:ri.bution of recrea L:�onal -space Mgraute' d-by•G• &'.D�Enter=•
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�=prises;Jarry Peterson of. the preserve association has agreed io the "followin
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additional`items_ which'would'be granted after our fa.u cility has been approved: ;
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~Lake itself iv6uld'be dedicated. to the pr6serve homeowners' �associa-ri
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: `Yi e votin< rig hts forL.the reserve-homeowners' assacia�ion would be turned
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=_over b `.La Peferson and:his,g oup;•to. the preserve homeowners' associa
3: :Larry"Peterson ��rid Niinriegasco `as_.planned_unit developers agree to`.redge
1= `.s.:j`,'.the:marina. and.return-.this:area .to :an acceptable condition before conveying
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ti_,:.r1.•"=' this.-to the preserve homeowners''--assoc:i.ation.. '': hey also indicated They...:: "
F` would be.�villing.:to•-construct a:small..dock for th ' association's
e }zmeowners ' -
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`Y� us a urm;=used•to, 'control:the t�ake elevation.Qf Neill take would be`dedicated
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to the homeowners. association: _
• :` -S.- ^:Larry-'Peterson-and his group will`also agree 'to complete 7 the pathway=-"`.'
't system throughout the preserve and .to insure this being done, they will `
post -a performance bond -of- sufficient size to accomplish this endeavor.
By.'leaving the, original. .farm house and the'small tract of land on the eastern ;
side of our property, .we .eliminate. the need for destruction of the retaining
walls, mature trees, 'and wallalays which are presently in place. There will
be .additional.walkways added to create' a traffic flow from the border of Neill
Lake through our project to the existing recreational facilities.
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ry>° app Tali Pc1 Cxson mid Min>>.egasco have always -
intended this area would be developed and we feel -a little uncomfortable '
: by_;'findiug"•ourselves-.ut the middle of those residents of the preserve who
want--this -area:to be .1.ef't-'untouched, iuldeveloped, and open. As YOU.. know,, the
1 aaxicl;cos of•'tnas particulaz• parcelis extremely high and unless we can {'`"i`:"
^- ;,:: _ a, •c,wc,.ot.n-odate' G2 Wits ,inthepro ecQthb feas ibility study will not wank:
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.',;.: -accommodations r for those companies considei.-Ino plait e:4iansion or relocation
Prairie market'-.-`,At the.present time t]le tTncany xate is:.
s extz eli�el low and 7 vit sure That you have' fo s-a ions ec
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present.-.'the, pxesen .Lack-of of fordable housinge
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