Planning Commission - 10/27/1980 j AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission _
Monday, October 27, 1980
7:30 PM, City Hall
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman William Bearman , George Bentley,
Liz Retterath, Virginia Gartner, Hakon
Torjesen, Matthew Lev :t tt, Grant Slitl i ff
STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Jean
Johnson, Assistant Planner; Sue Schulz,
P)anni ng Secretary
Pledge of Allegiance-moll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II. APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 14, 1980 MINUTES
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. MENARD ADDITION REPLAT, by Menard Inc. Request to replat
Outlots D, E, b F. Menard Addition. A continued public
hearing.
B. EDENGATE SINGLE FAMILY, by Catco, Inc, Request to rezone
approximately 40 acres from RM 6. 5 to R1-13. 5, preliminary
plat approval for 83 single family lots , and approval of
an Environmental Assessment Werksheet. Located North of
Duck Lake Trail and West of new Dell Road. A public hearing.
C. FAIRWAY WOODS AMENDMENT, by ! aukka b Associates . Request
orDeve opment Plan Amendment to construct 124 units
(4-plcx and 8-piex Condominium buildirt,$) upon 15. 3 acres
zoned RM 2. 5. Located Northwest of existing Fairway Drive
and South of Valley View* Road. A public hearing.
D. BELVEDERE INTECIM USE AMENDMENT... by On-Belay. Request to
change dentalo ce nter m use at 8490 Franco Road to an
adolescent treatment center to be called "Prairie House" .
V. OLD BUSINESS
Y I. NEW WNESS
_VI1. PLANNER'S REPORT
VI II. ADJOURNMENT
MINUTES
€DEN PRAIkIE PLANNING COMMISSION
approved
Monday, October 27, 1980 7:30 PM9 City Hall
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman William Bearman, Virginia Gartner, Grant
Sutliff, Matthew Levitt, Hakon Torjesen, George
Bentley
MEMBERS ABSENT: Liz Retterath
STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Sue Schulz.
Planning Secretary
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The Planner stated that Mr. Bentley would be arriving at approximately
8:00 and that he had requested the Commission defer approval of the
minutes.
Torjesen moved to approve the agenda placing approval of minuteg_ gnder
BusihesS : Levitt seconded , ft ion carried 3-0-.
II . APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 14, 1980 MINUUS
Moved to Oldhsiness.
III. MEMBERS REPORTS
Levitt submitted an article on Eden Prairie from the Coldwell Banker's
"Trends in Twin Cities Real Estate".
IV. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. MENARD ADDITION REPLAT, by Menard' s Inc. Request to replat
ut ots nerd Addition. A continued publi^
hearing.
Bearman read the letter from Menard' s dated 10/21/80 requesting cont ;nuance until
November 10, 1980 and asked the Planner if there has been any additional information
submitted. The Planner replied that Menard' s is working on a revised plan and will
be ready November 10, 1980.
Gartner asked if the berm that ha. been taken down in front of Menard's is in
conformance with Manard's 6"greaxnt. The Planner rep i ied that the berm has been
placed as a surcharge on bad soils, not as a screening element and is now being
refmoved.
Torjesen stated that tot. was concerned for residents that ;gave been coming to the
t+teetings, each time finding them continued.
John Reed,. 7252 Gordan Drives stated that he is interested in the proposal and.
he had been attending each meeting on Menard's but would not be able to attend
November 10.
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Levitt stated that the continuances have been made a.. Menard s request for their
convenience, and felt that the same- courtesy should be extinded to interested citizens.
NOTION
or esen moved to continue the Menard Addition Replat to the November 24, 1980
meeting, Gartner seccondeed, motion carried 5-0.
B. EDENGATE SINGLE FAMILY, by Catco, Inc. Request to rezone
approximately 40aacres from RM 6.5 to R1-13.5, preliminary
plat approval for 83 single family lots, and approval of
an Environmental Assessment Worksheet. Located North of
Duck Lake Trail .and West of new Dell Road. A public
hearing.
The Planner introduced Mr. Gregg Gustafson one of the owners of the land.
Gustafson stated that, the site's total acreage is 120 with 40 acres buildable
and 80 which will be contributed to the City for parks. He reviewed the
past history of the property. He father stated that he was in agreement with the
staff report, except he felt the central cul-de-sac should be allowed to remain
as planned rather than modified to a loop road.
The Planner reviewed the staff report dated October 24, 1980, the problems with
new Dell Road, grading, and traffic on the roads.
Torjesen asked Oat because of the grading required, if this is an appropriate
land use. The Planner replied that there is a substantial aviount of grading that
has to be done and also stated that becuase of downhill and uphill lots the
pads should be graded at this tir.�e. He felt, however, that this amount of
grading was not extraordinary for single family development and was a proper land
use.
Levitt asked where k1 l Road goes when leaving Edengate. The Planner replied it
goes north tb Townline Road which it would intersect 14 mile east of T.N. 101.
Levitt asked if there is an encroachment in the floodplain. The Planner replied no.
Levitt asked where the closest neighborhood park is. The Planner replied it is
planned appror.imately 1000 ft. to the north. Hidden Ponds wm1J be 2/3 of a smile
south.
Levitt asked if there will be. a walkway along Deli Road. The Planner raplied Tres.
Eearman asked what the timwframe for the f i ni nh f ng �f now De t 2 ft* , M
Planner replic-c that Dell Road would proceed north concurrent.with development end
cantirtue south of Duck Lake Trail within a year.
Bearman asked if there are any plans for the 80 acres dedicated to the City. The
Planner replied that Parks , RQcreation and Natural Resources npparrtmenl, his 9~ally
considered this area for natural open space.
Bearnman asked what the average number of daily trips was from the proposed develop
wit. The Planner replied about 800.
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Planning Commission Minutes -3- October 27 , 1980
Gary Nissen, 6721 Tartan Curve was concerned with the traffic that he believed
would travel Harrogate Drive.
Bentley arrived at 8:26 PM.
Thomas Collins , 6641 Tartan Curve, was concerned that there would be a road up
against his property. The Planner replied that he would have a lot against the
property.
Cienn Keller, 6721 Lochanburn Road, was concerned with the increased amount of
traffic and felt that Harrogate Drive should not be continued through.
Gartner asked if the cul -de-sac at Harrogate could be there temporarily until Dell
Road is extended to the north. The Planner replied that it woS technically
po,.sible, but if cul-de-saced, Harrogate Drive, as a practical matter would
probably always remain.
Levitt asked if the central cul-de-sac was extended would there De a loop road
created. The Planner replied yes.
Gustafson stated that the proponent would prefer to retain the central cul -de-sac.
William Neilson, 6761 Tartan Curve asked what effect this development would have on
the property between Duck Lake Trail and Purgatory Creek. Gustafson replied that
Catco Inc. only owns the land to the north.
The Planner asked who owni the property to the south. Gustafson replied Edina Building.
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Joseph Mischel , 6631 Tartan Curve, asked how much of Vie donated land the children
can play on. The Planner replied that the City could improve the land for active
park use, if the Park and Recreation and Natural Resources Commission so recommends.
Mischel also explanined that he was concerned with the grading that is already being
carried on thQ site. He also felt that the lots adjb hint Lochanburn should match
1 for 1 with existing lots.
Kevin Di sse, :,951 Sugar Hill Circle, asked if the telephone lines will be underground.
The Planner replied yes.
Robert Kruell , 6780 Tartan Curve, stated that he wanted the developer to comment
on the type of homes to be put in Edengate. Gustafson replied that the developer
sells the land to the contractor or the people who want to buy the land and also
stated that it is up to them as to what kind of house they want to build.
Bentley asked if the drainage swale along the properties western boundary is on
the lot line. The Planner re;1lied that it could be graded so it could occur any
place, but the current plan did not depict it properly.
Glenn Keller, 6721 Lochanburn Road, explained that many of the residents go hiking
or cross country skiing and asked if a walkway through the development to the flood-
plain could be made. The Planner replied that the Parks , Recreation and Katunal
Resources Commission would reivew that mwre specifically.
Torjesen asked if the City is within it's legal ri,lh is to be grading on this site for
new Dell Road prior to are approved development plan. The Planner replied that the
City bad .entered into a rontrart tis «tread p
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Lewis Asklund, 18219 Gi navale Lane, felt that the City should requite a bond on
the developer. The Planner replied that Dell Road is a City project.
MOTION 1
-e:, .tt moo ed to close %ne public nearing. Torjesen seconded, motion carried 6-0.
MOTION 2
evitt Roved to recommend to the City Council approval of the rezoning from RM
6. 5 to R1-13. 5 as per the plans dated 9/26/80 and the 1C/24/80 staff report
with the following addition:
1. That the connection to Harrogate Drive be deleted and the new road cul -de-saced.
Gartner seconded.
DISCUSSION
Bentley asked if the accesses to Bell Road outlined in the staff report are
included. Levitt replied yes , and also stated that he would call special attention
to review of totlots and a pathway by;•the Parks , Recreation and Natural Resources
Commission.
Motion carried 4-2. Bearman and Bentley voted no.
MOTION 3
Levitt moved to recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat
dated 9/26/80 based upon the 10/24/80 staff report with the following addition :
1. That the connection to Harrogate Drive be deleted and the new road cui -de-saced.
Gartner seconded, motion carried 5-1. Bearman voted no.
C. FAIRWAY WOODS AMENDMENT, by Laukka & Associates. Request for PUD
Development an Amendment to construct 124 units (4-plex and 8-plex
condominium buildings) upon 15. 3 acres zoned RM 2. 5. Lcodted North-
west of existing Fairway Drive and South of Valley View Road. A
public hearing.
Bearman stated that the propopent had withdrawn, therefore no motion was made.
D. BELVEDERE INTERIM USE AMENDMENT, by On-Belay. Request to 1
c ange dental office interim use at 8480 Franlo Road to
adolescent treatment centelrf two be called "Prairie House" .
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The Planner introduced John Curran representing 0n-Belay, and stated that the property
is owned by Dr. Bdl vedere.
Curran reviewed the neighbor' s concerns, safety, property values , noise, parking, and
the reason they chose Eden Prairie for their next treatment center and also passed
out letters of support and a brochure.
The Planner reviewed the staff report dated October 23, 1980.
Sutliff asked what licensing is required by the City. The Planner replied health,
sanitation, and building.
Sutliff asked what type of security is required. Curran replied that the house would
have an alarm on the back door with someone awake at all times. He also stated that
if someone leaves, the staff calls the police.
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Planning Commission Minutes -5- October 27, i980
Sutliff asked how long the average individual stays and what the cure rate was.
Curran replied the average individual stays 6 to 8 weeks and stated that approximately
30% are cured with 70% of those on an aftercare program.
Sutliff asked how many staff are needed and if thara i c any omornor�-, --aM^ �.eNN....
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replied that 5 or 6 staff are on hand at most times with a RN nurse working 40 hours
a week.
Gartner asked if the proponent anticipates any parking problems during the family
hours and if this proposal was before the Human Rights Commission. Curran replied
that they do not anticipate any parking problems and that this was before the Human
Rights Commission and was approved.
The Planner stated that he attended the meeting and told the commission about the
Belvedere site and the commission agreed that it was a better 1-ration , than the
P. D. Q. site at Mitchell and Valley View as originally proposed.
Gartner asked the cost for keeping someone at the center. Curran replied that
there are insurance agencies that pick up most of it and that the cost is $85.00
per day with a $200. 00 admission fee.
Levitt asked where the patients come from. Curran replied from schools , police,
local churches , doctors , out-patient prkgrams , etc.
Bentley asked if this proposal has been reviewed by the Metropolitan Council . Curran
replied it was not necessary and further stated that he feels there is a need for
this type of treatment center in Eden Prairie. �. .
Sutliff asked if this is similar to Alcohol Anonymous . Curran replied at Alcohol
Anonymous the individuals with problems do not live in the treatment center, how-
ever, some of the treatment philosophy was the same. He also stated that many
people are referred to Narcanon of AA for aftercare.
Tony Westerhaus , 8470 Franlo Road was concerned with the sewer and water. He also
stated that he is against the proposal , because of potential problems for the
neighborhood.
Levitt asked if private sewer and water is possible. The Planner replied that a
new septic system would have to be put in.
Bob Affeldt, representing Robert Bouten of the Normandale Dental Lab asked if the
individuals come voluntarily. Curran replied that there are some that have a
choice however, there are no criminal cases admitted.
Dr. Belvedere stated that he had the same reservations as the residents originally
but he now approves of the. use and feels that it will be more compatible with the
neighborhood than short term renters. He had trouble in the past with large parties .
Torjesen asked 'pow long the project has been before Eden Prairie. The Planner
replied it had been to the Human Rights and Services Commission twice, so about
4 weeks.
LOTION
ofi jesen moved to recommend to the City Council approval of the Prairie House Interim
Use as per the material dated 10 16 80 and the 10 23 80 staff report with the contin-
gencies as listed in the staff report. Levitt seconded, motion carridd 3:2:1. Bearman
and Bentley voted no and t1iff abstained.
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Planning Coa fission Minutes -o- October 27, 1980
V. OLD BUSINESS
A. Appi ova i ui Lhe minutes of October 14, 1980.
P. 1, item IV. A, para . #2 , delete IBentley notices that the decible
was used for noise levels of construction equipment and asked why
this r:ac needed' .W.. i^;ert 'Sentley questioned the necessity of
dividing the decible level readings for construction equipment
between the different types of Equipment, rather than just giving an
overall decible reading.
P. 1, item IV. A. para. #3, delete' Bentley asked who prepares the
EAW'and insert 'Bentley asked what the source was for the information
in the EAW!
P. 2 , add between para. nos . 6 & 7 , Bentley asked how far this project
is from Anderson Lakes . Petdrson replied that the 1000 foot line from
Anderson Lakes runs through the middle of the PUD.
P. 3, para. # 2, add'exiting' and existing.
P. 3, para. #4, Hubert should be Herbert.
P. 3, para. #14, delete the word "what" and addlhow large. Also in
the same para. first line, between blanace and would be, add of the
building .
P. 4, para. #1 , last line, last word, delete "s" .
P. 4 add'Gartner stated that she would like the single tree to remain. '
MOTIbN
Gartner moved to approve the minutes as amended. Torjesen seconded,
. motion carried 6-0.
VI . NEW BUSINESS
None
PLANNER S MLi`UK'i
VIII . ADJOURNMENT
Torjesen moved to adjourn the meeting at 11 :10 PM. Levitt seconded, motion
carried 6-0.
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